Mike interviews Mr. Irish Calvinist - Erik Raymond

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Well, on the line I have with me my friend and co -labor in the ministry, Eric Raymond.

He is from Massachusetts originally and is the author and inventor, and I don't know what else

you are, Eric, of irishcalvinist .com, but welcome to the program, Eric Raymond.

Hey, Mike, how you doing?

Thanks a lot for having me.

You know, I want you to talk a little bit, Eric, and I want everybody to hear the homegrown

Worcester slash Lemonster accent, and I want you to correct me on air how I don't pronounce Worcester properly.

Yeah, I don't know how you, you got a pronouncing going on.

I do.

You gotta, just wisdom.

You gotta be missional, Mike.

Well, you know, I've got a problem.

You're from Lemonster?

Yeah.

When people, when charismatics around Worcester cast demons out, you know, demons can't be everywhere, so

you've cast them out of your church in West Boylston, you gotta cast them someplace.

I usually cast them to Lemonster.

That makes sense.

I've heard, can anything good come out of Lemonster?

Well, you have the plastic factory there, right?

The plastic museum?

Yeah.

Eric, tell - Tim's diner, too.

I've been telling you for years, you gotta go see Tim's diner.

Well, I think I just might.

Maybe the people at Tim's diner are gonna comp me since they hear this on the radio.

Hey, Eric, tell us briefly your background in Roman Catholicism and how God saved you and then

how you're in the gospel ministry now.

Sure.

Yeah, I grew up, like you said, in Lemonster.

Catholic kid,

New England Catholic kid.

Really wasn't into it, just kind of did the, went through

just a

lot of facts.

It was really quite confusing, honestly.

I remember believing in reincarnation and evolution and all kinds of

other,

and be a

man, but at the siege by guilt and

uneasiness and the uncertainty of

judgment and, you know, really,

it led into a

period

upon

myself.

I'm able to get out of this.

Plus, a

man, you need to help me.

You've got an issue.

And BDU

Panthers has

done the issue of how you could be forgiven,

and that you could be forgiven.

And I just remember at one point in that conversation,

man, do I need to shave my head?

You know, I got all these issues.

I can't figure it out.

It's a

gift

to me to teach about 10

years in between.

And so now you're the, what's your actual title?

You're the preaching pastor at Omaha Bible Church South Campus, or how does that work?

You got it, yeah.

Yeah,

ministry

down

there, and we come together on Sunday nights and other events.

And if people want to have good preaching with a Lemonster accent, what's the website at Omaha

Bible Church that they can go to to listen to some of your sermons?

Funny, they can go to omahabiblechurch .org, just forward slash South.

And that takes us, we share the same domain.

Hey, Eric, how strange is it?

You grew up in Lemonster, and now you're preaching in Omaha, and I grew up in Omaha, and I'm basically preaching in

Lemonster.

It's hilarious.

It's funny, I don't live too far from where you grew up, and I go running and run through Tomahawk area,

where you grew up.

Tell us a little bit about your website, Irish Calvinist.

Is it com or .com or .org?

Yeah, it's .com.

.com, and many times, Eric, you'll talk about the glories of Christ and Christ's majesty

and wanting to increase the fame of Christ.

Is there a relationship between your desire to do that and your understanding of what God saved you

from your wretchedness and your sin and from God's wrath himself?

Yes, absolutely.

Right, and interact with thankful.

My main thing, as you mentioned, you have the glory of Christ, beholding that, and that really comes from,

we behold the glory of the Lord, we're being transformed into that same image for one degree.

And that, and I

need to constantly have my

mind directed to the glory and greatness of the

King about my own glory.

Gospel to yourself.

What's the most controversial thing that you've written based on feedback that you received?

Most controversial, well.

Hey, this is no -compromise radio.

I know.

You know, the funny thing is, all time, the all -time, I didn't even

write it,

stinging review of Velvet Elvis, and it went out there.

I'd say that's probably, you know, stuff on Joel Osteen gets a lot

of

show, you know, whether it's.

Well, when I read your information, I think you're an excellent writer and you write on excellent

subjects, which is helpful.

And so what happens is, when I'm reading something about goodness and moralism and

why these things just don't help us, I think that just resonates with people.

Why do you think Christianity in general is so desirous to grab hold of what I

call, it's good to be good and it's nice to be nice?

This is, there's two different religions, the gospel of grace and the gospel of goodness.

And you write about that a lot.

Tell me why.

Yeah, I think that's human nature.

I mean, that's part of the fall.

You know, we're convinced of our own goodness and we are

depravity and

something

of value and de -emphasize the value of Christ.

And I find it

of what is

true or in a local church or wherever you happen to be.

I think Pat has told me stories where you have ministered together overseas and fellow comrades in the

ministries, and the ministry has basically just preached moralistic, be good, non -gospel

messages.

Yeah, that's really frustrating.

That's, and Pat and I, you know, sitting next to each other and

doing that, it's frustrating because, you know, then what oftentimes happens is you've got

to be better and

you eliminate, ultimately you eliminate Jesus from the equation, and it just becomes a book of moral rules.

And, you know, that's not Christian.

The gospel is because we can't do

what God has called

us, can't save, can't console.

All it does is inflate egos or bring guilt, and then you run back to yourself to

do anything.

Moral anity.

I'm going to steal that from you.

That is excellent.

It's yours.

That's a good book title.

Speaking of Old Testament books, Eric, you've been preaching through Leviticus, and I want, I don't know

anybody who's preached through Leviticus yet.

I know I want to and need to, but tell the listeners on WV and E760 radio

why Leviticus is such a wild, life -changing book for the Christian today, and why they ought

to read it, and how they ought to read it.

Yeah, absolutely.

In terms of why we,.

Listen, I just sat back, and then, you know, what

the, in the Bible, because I think

that would be the most Christian.

Hold on, let's just stop right there for a second.

What's the bloodiest book?

Let's go into that a little bit more.

Just, let's pick the bloodiest book.

Well, I mean, you know, blood points to Jesus.

So if anything like that, I mean,

from a book forward to Jesus Christ.

You know, you read, well, when Jesus,

I mean, ultimately points to Jesus, he fulfills these things.

Moses spoke of Jesus.

John said, I want to be faithful to the text.

What does it mean?

How does it, you know, as an expository preaching would be taking

the

doubt

by God and, and improfitable for teaching.

Well, that's a challenge.

And what do you do with it?

Although there's a whole bunch in there from, you know, the call to be holy, the call to reflect God,

the priority of drawing near to God and

for people.

Well, you need a mediator, you need blood, and you need a tone of Christianity,

right?

Absolutely.

And have the people there that you've preached to at Omaha Bible Church South,.

What's been their reaction?

That's been great.

I mean, for my, selfishly, I've enjoyed it.

It's rocked my world, as you said.

I mean, it's been

being impressed with Christ, but then just at the beginning, it was one of the

things I needed to, I mean, I preached this,

we needed

to push and

that happens.

And then ultimately.

Tell us about some issues that you're thinking about in evangelicalism, issues that people should be concerned about, the

latest controversial thing and how to buttress our minds against it.

Anything that you can think of that's happening right now that's controversial in evangelicalism?

Yeah, I think, you know, I know you had Ted Cluck on a while back, so I won't reset everything he said, but

I really enjoyed his book with Kevin DeYoung on the church.

The emphasis on the institutional church and organized religion, as the book is subtitled, is huge.

You know, with the kind of momentum of the community, it's

very dangerous.

Another thing, I think the

40 -year -old guys, in this particular,

maybe have a lot of energy,

dream, if you will,

want to engage culture, we want to be thoughtful with culture, we want to do that.

We can't do this, you can't do that, whether it's, you know, drinking

or

Masha 'allah.

Masha 'allah.

Masha 'allah.

Exactly, go to concerts, right?

So what is the opposite extreme?

Somebody's sick there, Eric?

Yeah, it's my son, Luke.

He's over here, he's got, he usually has the trifecta sneeze.

I think he just did.

Sorry.

He's good.

Okay, keep going.

I have another child that sneezes seven.

Oh, really?

That's interesting.

I think that would be Schofield sneezing.

Yeah, exactly, all right.

So, but the other side is to be, okay, we have been, now,

man, we're going full boy.

What's wrong with you for not going there with me?

You know, so, why don't you, let's say, you know, why don't you have tattoos?

What's wrong with you?

You should.

Why don't you drink?

You should.

Why don't you listen to that kind of music?

And now they go back on the other side, so look around,

and you start to distance yourself from.

So I think it's just really dangerous.

I think it's really prevalent with young guys that are energetic, even gospel -loving guys that are like, come on,

let's engage the culture.

Let's do this.

And meanwhile, now you become the standard, which is just legalism.

I think that's a great point, Eric.

And what happens is sometimes.

The fundamentalists say, we're known for what we don't do.

We don't do this, and we don't do that.

And then the person who understands the gospel but doesn't want to focus on Christ, he wants to be known for what he's allowed to

do instead of being known for following Christ.

That's exactly right.

And I think, you know, we went through Colossians,.

And I thought it was really interesting that when Paul broke up that elemental spirit of the world, you know, and he tied it

back to the gospel issue in chapter two.

If you died to the elemental spirit of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to the regulations?

And I think that can go either way.

If you think that things on earth can either condemn you before God or commend you to God, earn or keep

God's favor, or

condemn you before God, I think that's his point there.

You can enjoy things, or you can abstain from things.

Sin that commends us to God.

So therefore, if we're clinging to anything else for righteousness.

Amen.

This is Mike Ebendroth talking to Eric Raymond on NoCompromiseRadio .com, WVNE 760 here locally

in Worcester, talking to one of Worcester's finest, I think, Leominster's finest, Eric Raymond.

Eric, tell us a little bit about evangelizing Roman Catholics.

One of the things I love about you, I've seen it with my own eyes, and I hear it a lot from Pat, your

heart to preach the gospel to the lost, whether it's evangelistic training for other people, going to

the prisons, you're just kind of, God has given you just a heart to preach the gospel to the lost.

What would you say, I've got about four minutes, so let's make it three so we can wrap it up, in about two to three minutes, if there's a

Roman Catholic person driving down the street listening in Worcester today, what would you tell them

about Christ?

Yeah, I think you have learned in your catechisms in your

church that God is a holy God, that is, he cannot be in the presence of sin, and that he's a just God, but you also learn that he's a

loving God, and he forgives sin.

Attributes of God coexist.

How can God be both holy and righteous?

That is, he punishes sin, and he cannot be in the presence of sin, but also welcome and invite

sinners to himself.

What is your answer to that?

And a lot of times, it'll be something that I can do, and then you have to go right back to it and say, well, you're basing your standing

before God based on something you can do, whether you are tipped or you're

relying upon the church.

At the end of the day, you are not resting holy in Christ.

The only way that God can be both

just

confirmation, your priest, the magisterium,

in order to go against everything, even creed.

Does the Roman Catholic ever think about the resurrection and the validity of what the resurrection

does for the Christian faith?

Is that something they think about?

Probably not.

I mean, I know as a Roman Catholic, I'm a Roman

Catholic, I think that that is a great point because you have to get back

to the...

Absolutely.

When I was a Lutheran and I was fairly Catholic, I guess, in my mindset, it was a works righteousness message.

Oh, well, yeah, Jesus rose from the dead, but I had no reason to ask why.

Tell us, Eric, as we wrap up our program, how great is it to have your mother and father both born

again by God from above?

Oh, it's fantastic.

I mean, totally different.

You wouldn't just see my dad dig into the Word, you'd hear my mom talk about what she's learning and

enjoying and good experience.

Would you ever wanna come back to Massachusetts and pastor?

You know, it's one of those deals where we'll have to make things clear.

I mean, we're

put to do that.

So those from, you know, Red Sox.

Well, can you, speaking of stripping idols, what was going on with Belichick's call?

I mean, everybody's tried to spin it here in the radio, you know, Boston land with all these

fishhacks and radio land here, but it is just amazing.

And people, I talked to one guy at the bike shop up in Lemonster.

He said, I went to bed thinking about the game and I woke up thinking about the game.

And I thought loving the Patriots with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength.

That's how we're supposed to think of Christ.

Yeah, you're absolutely right.

Anyway, my name is, we've got about 20 seconds.

Tell us the church website and tell us your website.

And we'll wrap things up, Eric.

Sure, church website, omahabiblechurch .org, and we're on the South Campus, which is forward slash South and

Irish Calvinist is irishcalvinist .com.

Eric Raymond on live with Mike Abendroth, No Compromise Radio Ministry.

You've been listening to Thursday's show and we say, God bless you.

We'll see you next week.

See you, Eric.

Hey, thanks a lot, Mike.

Thank you.

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