TPW #6 | John Piper's False Gospel of Justification by Faith Alone, But "Final Salvation" by Works

Paul warns that evil men and imposters will grow worse and worse deceiving one another and being deceived.

The reason Paul told Timothy that was because he needed to be ready to spend the balance of his life in uninterrupted warfare for the truth.

The most dangerous people alive today are always, always, always ordained ministers.

They're the most dangerous people in the world, especially the ones that people think are Christians, who will sell you theological poison to the damnation of your soul.

Folks, I just want to warn you about something. Every heretic in the entire history of the church, without exception, has taught their heresy in the name of being faithful to Scripture.

That was the day of wrath. That was the day of judgment. That is the day of final salvation.

Brought back in time and applied to us once for all at the moment of our effectual calling when we repent and believe in our unity to Christ.

All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Protestant Witness podcast. Now, you may recognize that I am

NOT the host of this podcast. This is the podcast done by Pastor Patrick Hines.

My name is Tim Shaughnessy, and I do the Semper Reformanda radio podcast, but this week,

Pastor Hines had just asked me if we could go ahead and play one of his videos that he did on YouTube a while back.

Now, the video is titled John Piper's False Gospel of Justification by Faith Alone, but Final Salvation by Works.

And in this video, Pastor Hines addresses the sermon that was preached by John Piper of last year titled,

Faith Alone, How Not to Use a Reformed Slogan. So, if you've heard this, that's great. I would encourage you to listen to it again.

We do believe that in this sermon, Piper preached a false gospel and really that it's it's really nothing new.

If you read our articles, we show that Piper really has taught the same thing consistently for a while now.

He says you're justified by faith alone, but you don't enter heaven by faith alone. So, Pastor Hines is going to address that for us today, and I want to say thank you to Pastor Hines for all the work that he's done.

I want to say thank you to him for joining Thorn Crown Ministries. I want to encourage all of our listeners to check out all of the podcasts on Thorn Crown Ministries.

We have three podcasts. We have Radio Lux Lucid with Steve Matthews, and we have

Semper Reformanda Radio, which I do, and then we have this podcast, which you're listening to. So again, thank you, and please check out what

Pastor Hines has to say. God bless. I saw a video put out by Paul Flynn.

I actually hadn't heard of him at Megiddo Radio. A friend here from church has listened to Paul Flynn, and I've only listened to a couple of his programs, but I really like his program.

You know, he's definitely a brother, a good solid Reformed Presbyterian, and very, very bright, very sharp, and he was critiquing

John Piper, and I agree with a lot of what

Paul Flynn had to say about Piper. I've never been a huge John Piper guy.

I just haven't. As far as, you know, I guess, for lack of a better way of putting it, the

Reformed celebrity cult. There's a few of them I like to listen to that I think are pretty good.

A friend of mine gave me the book Future Grace by John Piper. It's probably been, man, probably more than ten years ago,

I think, that he sent me that book in the mail. Right out of the gate in the book, Piper rejects entirely the idea of a covenant of works, and of course, he's getting that from Daniel Fuller.

And, you know, Fuller, Daniel Fuller did not believe in the inerrancy of scripture, which is a massive hole in the side of his ship.

I have another tape series by a good Reformed scholar named Kim Rydelbarger, and Rydelbarger did a lecture series on Reformed approach to evangelism, and throughout that series, one of the things that he emphasized as being really important was the doctrine of biblical inerrancy.

Oh, no, I'm sorry. It was a series he did on the inspiration and authority of scripture. The one on evangelism was really good, but this tape series that tells you how long ago

I got it, those tapes on the inspiration and authority of scripture were just outstanding.

I learned so much, and Rydelbarger's really good on that topic because he did his doctoral dissertation on B .B.

Warfield, and of course, Warfield is the guy who invented the word inerrancy in his struggle against German higher critical scholarship way back in the 19th century.

But anyway, one of the things that Rydelbarger shares in those lectures on the inspiration and authority of scripture is a conversation that he had with Michael Horton and John Gerstner in Michael Horton's living room talking about inerrancy, and Gerstner tells the story of sitting in a

Chicago hotel room with Daniel Fuller and talking to him about inerrancy, and Daniel Fuller was on his way to abandoning this idea of biblical inerrancy, that the

Bible has no errors of any kind in it, and the discussion that Gerstner described was just bizarre to me, because Fuller was sitting there in that hotel room with Gerstner saying,

Jesus said that the mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds, and scientists have found a seed in South America that's smaller than a mustard seed.

Jesus is wrong, and therefore the Bible has errors in it, and Gerstner apparently, from what the way

Dr. Rydelbarger relayed the conversation, was just in shock, and Gerstner tried his best to point out, look

Daniel, Jesus is not giving a lecture on botany. What's he doing?

He's quoting from a local proverb, so the people would know what he's talking about. What's the point that the mustard seed, which is the smallest of all seeds, if you have just a little bit of faith, you can say to this mountain, go and be planted in the sea, or this mulberry tree, go be planted over there, and it will obey you.

What's the point? It's not a lecture on botany or the size of seeds. The point is it just takes a little bit of faith.

That's all. Jesus is not giving a botanical lecture. Now, if Jesus had said that there's this seed in South America that didn't even have a name, would his point have come across very well?

It just amazed me, and Gerstner said, and after that conversation, I mean, Fuller just, he just wouldn't let go of that point.

Jesus was wrong when he said that it was the smallest, using the superlative, the smallest of all seeds, because we know there's a seed in South America that's smaller than a mustard seed.

So he abandons biblical inerrancy over that. I just thought, wow, that's really bad.

That's really weird. Daniel Fuller, Piper, sings the man's praises up one side and down the other in the introduction to his book,

Future Grace. I never finished it. I read about the first third of it, and I thought, you know, the wheels have really fallen off here, and I could see how important the

Covenant of Works is to your overarching understanding of the

Bible. And Piper made a number of statements in that book, Future Grace, just in the section that I read before I put the book down, that were very troubling to me, and I started wondering, where is this guy really coming from on this?

In the meantime, though, you know, Piper has dialogued with N .T. Wright, and Piper wrote a book called

Counted Righteous in Christ, where he argues, I think, pretty well for the the imputation of Christ's righteousness.

However, the problematic kind of things that Piper has said have really come to full fruition now in this sermon.

There's a link here. I'm not going to listen to the whole thing, because it's, or I'm not going to play the whole thing.

It's 40 minutes and 17 seconds long, but it's called Faith Alone, How Not to Use a

Reformed Slogan. It's on Desiring God's YouTube channel. But I wanted to, I've listened to it all the way up through, actually listened to the whole thing, and then listened to it all the way up to about 25 minutes in.

This is where he says a whole bunch of things that are exactly right, and very forcefully.

So, you know, Piper is a little bit, has a little bit, his pathos is a little bit distracting to me at times, but he really, he really nails the point.

But then makes a distinction. I'm just going to go ahead and tell you about it before he goes into it. He makes a radical distinction between being justified before God and, quote, getting into heaven, end quote.

Evidently, in his thinking, those are completely different things. And biblically, they are not.

Biblically, they are not, and we're going to see that. But I wanted to go ahead and just kind of start this video 25 minutes and 5 seconds into this, so that gives us 15 minutes left, and I'm going to try to keep this video relatively short, but I want to let y 'all listen to Piper in his own words and offer some responses to the things that he is saying here.

The most radical statement on this is Galatians 5, verses 1 to 3. If you would push me to go to a text for faith alone, this is where I'd go.

I agree. In fact, when I was in seminary, I did my Greek exegesis paper on Galatians 5, 1 through 3.

For this very reason, I think it is one of the most powerful statements that justification is by faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone.

And if you add anything at all to that whatsoever, as the text itself says,

Christ will be of no benefit to you. You become a debtor to keep the whole law to be justified before God, and you are severed from Christ, it says.

So our confidence for getting into heaven, which is the same thing. If you're a justified person, you have been transferred from being an

Adam to being in Christ, and you will always be in Christ for the rest of eternity. Where God is 100 % for you.

He uses that phrase like, God is 100 % for you, but evidently, evidently, from what it sounds like, and he makes it pretty clear, people for whom

God is for, 100 % can still go to hell. So, very, very troubling, but Galatians 5, 1 through 3.

Maybe Andy will go there and really unpack it. I don't know where he's going on this. Galatians 5, 1 to 3.

For freedom, Christ has set us free. Stand firm, therefore, and do not submit again to yoke of slavery, to yoke of slavery.

Look, I, Paul, say to you, that if you accept circumcision, just one little effort at law keeping, if you accept circumcision, if you add that one little effort in addition to faith in Christ, Christ is no advantage to you.

This is painful for me to listen to, because he is about to do exactly what he just said.

He's about to do the very thing he is now condemning in the sermon. It's just, it's painful to listen to, because what he's saying is true.

If you add anything to what it is that gets you into heaven,

Christ will be of no benefit to you. He's exactly right, and the irony is he's about to do the very thing

Paul condemns. Listen, That's wild.

That's true. It is wildly radical. It's wildly radical, because what that is saying is if a person is relying upon, if their confidence for entering heaven is based on anything other than Jesus Christ or anything alongside of Jesus Christ, Christ will be of no benefit to you, and you have to keep the whole law by yourself.

It's one or the other. It's Christ or you save yourself. You can't mix the two at all, and sadly, ironically, amazingly, that's exactly what

Piper's about to do. I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision.

He is obligated to keep the whole law.

Yep, that's why the

Roman Catholic Church's gospel can't save anyone and has never saved anyone. That's why, at least

I know Eastern Orthodox theology, at least from what I'm seeing, is quite a bit more fluid. But the vast majority of the individuals

I've talked to, they're relying upon their own works, too, made possible by grace, but still relying upon their own works.

Christ will be of no benefit to you. Christ will be of no benefit to you. So, if you choose to rely just a little bit on law -keeping as a way of getting justified, as a way of getting into a position where God is a hundred percent for you,

I think that to get into heaven, God's got to be a hundred percent for you. See, everything he's going to go on to say here requires you to make the hard distinction between getting justified, getting into a position, he's doing all these hand motions, getting into a position where God is a hundred percent for you.

Apparently, that's not enough to get you into heaven. Just listen. Christ is of no advantage to you.

Again, I just, I have to say it. And what he's going to go on to say and preach and teach here, if you believe it,

Christ will be of no advantage to you either. If you go the route of justification by faith plus a little bit of law -keeping, you go the route of justification by total law -keeping.

That's quite true. And if you believe what Piper's going to go on to say here, you are going the direction of total law -keeping, by yourself, without Christ, for getting into heaven.

Nothing. Verse 3 again.

Mark that. Be that big asterisk. Maybe in the iPhone 10 you can put an asterisk by it.

One of the reasons why there are good reasons to read paper books.

Hey, I like Kindles, man. I use my Kindle for everything and it keeps track of where I am and all the books and all my different gadgets.

I love that thing. It even reads to me. But, you know, I usually read a paper Bible, though. I will say that. Verse 3.

I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision. He is obligated to keep the whole law.

It's Christ alone, or you save yourself alone. One or the other.

Paul is so clear, you can't mix works with grace. And any attempt to do so, and Christ is out of the equation, you get to keep it all by yourself, which means you're going to hell.

There are two ways of justification. The way of law -keeping, which requires your perfection.

Yep. And the way of faith, which depends on Christ's perfection. These two paths into the place where God is a hundred percent for you.

I don't like his constant use of that phrase. These two paths into the place where God is a hundred percent for you.

What does that mean? What does that mean? You know what that sounds like? That sounds like the Council of Trent.

We are therefore said to be justified gratuitously because nothing that precedes justification proceeds from us, either faith or works.

And they say that faith is the foundation and the root of all justification. Faith is how, in Roman Catholicism, you get into a place where God is a hundred percent for you.

And then from that position where God is already a hundred percent for you, then you can do the works of transformation.

You're justified entirely by faith alone, and by the grace of God alone. But your final justification, your final salvation, getting into heaven, is from a position where God is a hundred percent for you already, but there's these other things that you need to do.

I don't see the difference between what he's saying here, what he's going to go on to say, and Session six of the

Council of Trent. Read it. So distinct, they cannot be mixed at all. Even though I'm about to mix them.

This is just so painful to watch, because everything he's saying here is just spot -on.

The guy is knocking it out of the park, and he's about to do the very things that he is here denouncing, by making this hard distinction between justification and getting to heaven, as if they're completely different things.

If you are trusting Christ for a righteous standing, where God is a hundred percent for you.

Which is not getting into heaven. Just bear that in mind. You cannot mix one quiver of effort to establish your own righteousness.

But you can for getting into heaven. Bizarre. This is this is exactly what

Romans chapter 16 verses 17 and following is talking about. Subtlety of speech. Smooth words of flattery.

And if you are seeking to establish your own righteousness, your own record of virtue, as an entrance into the position where God is a hundred percent for you.

You cannot. Which isn't going to get you into heaven. That's the thing to bear in mind here. Where God is a hundred percent. To get you in a position where God is a hundred percent for you.

Again, that sounds an awful lot like Roman Catholic theology. It is entirely gracious that you get into a state of grace.

You know what the state of grace means? God is a hundred percent for you. Same thing. Different words.

You see and that's that's what heresy and false doctrine and false Gospels always are. They're never new.

What Piper's going to go on to say here is not new. Everything he's saying we've heard before. And what you get with every generation are nuanced and interesting repackagings of the same old thing.

Mix the slightest faith in Christ as your all -sufficient righteousness.

They are mutually. All -sufficient for what, Dr. Piper? In Christ as your all -sufficient righteousness that cannot get you into heaven.

It can get you in a position where God is a hundred percent for you, but it can't get you into heaven. Listen closely.

Exclusive. It's one or the other. Law -keeping to establish my righteousness.

Or faith alone. And what Paul the Apostle is talking about when he speaks of faith apart from works.

Faith not by works. Faith apart from obedience. Faith apart from deeds of law that we have done.

He is talking about the righteousness that gets us into heaven, Dr. Piper.

The fact that you have now separated these two things from one another. Getting justified and getting into heaven is bizarre.

To me. This is going to resonate with a lot of Reformed folks.

They are going to hear this and say, yeah, that's exactly what we believe. And that's what the Bible teaches. But listen carefully. The wheels are about to come off.

Listen. One last question.

What is this faith? And this is where things become very murky.

And I've preached on this topic a lot. I did a four -part series on the Lordship Controversy and I did an entire sermon on what is faith in Jesus Christ.

It's a very important question. It's one of our catechism questions. What is faith in Jesus Christ? Okay, and it's a saving grace.

It's a saving grace. It's something God creates in the heart of the sinner through the proclamation of the gospel.

Whereby we receive and rest upon Christ alone for our salvation as he has offered to us in the gospel.

Listen to how he defines faith here. What's it like?

What is faith? What kind of thing is faith? Critical question.

It is a receiving of Christ for who he really is.

The beautiful, supreme, all -satisfying treasure that he is.

That sounds pious. It's also very ambiguous. It is receiving

Christ for the sufficient, satisfying, beautiful treasure that he is.

That in one sense is true, but that doesn't really help us here. What is faith in Jesus Christ?

It is receiving Christ, but it's also relying on, resting on, his righteousness to get you into heaven.

As our divine substitute and savior. It is the receiving of Christ for who he is.

See, it would be better to say it is the receiving of Christ as the one who has fully discharged the debt that we owe to God for our sins.

He has paid for all of them, past, present, future, original, and actual sin, and his righteousness is legally imputed to our legal account before God so that we stand justified before him.

That's what faith in Jesus Christ is. It is a renouncing of reliance and confidence upon anything other than Jesus Christ or anything alongside of Jesus Christ.

Faith in Jesus Christ is a saving grace. We receive and rest upon him alone as he is offered to us in the gospel for our salvation, for getting into heaven, for forgiveness, for righteousness.

Not as health insurance. Now, this is an interesting part.

He says not as health insurance. I think that what he's probably criticizing there is the health and wealth gospel, the prosperity gospel, the idea that you come to Jesus and you should be healed of all your afflictions.

I think that's why he says not as health insurance. Piper has ripped to shreds the prosperity preachers, and rightly so.

The Benny Hinn's and Kenneth Copeland's and Hagen's and Creflo Dollars and all those other weird charismatic types that believe in that if you're a

Christian, you should never be sick, and you should have you know, mountains of money and private jets and everything else.

Glorious, infinitely godly, all -satisfying, sovereign, and substitute, and treasurer that he is, and are not saved.

Very true, very true. That's why I did that series, the whole lordship issue.

The reason there are so many people who think that they're, excuse me, that they're

Christians and they're not is because of a false gospel that's been preached. There has been no call to repent, no call to turn from sin and to embrace

Christ, and we're gonna get more into that here in a moment. John Piper is the is the master of the long pregnant pause.

I'm just kind of like, That is not a helpful way of saying that.

That is not a helpful way of saying that. That's why our confession, the Westminster Confession, speaks of faith.

We are justified by faith alone, by, but that faith is never alone in the person justified, but is always and ever accompanied by all other saving graces.

So say, faith transforms our life. No, God transforms our life.

God transforms our life through the means of grace and through the process of sanctification.

This is a different category here. Our persons are accepted in the sight of God solely, completely, and only by the blood and righteousness of Christ that is imputed to us and received by faith alone.

That's why the Westminster Confession, chapter 11 on justification, says that we are justified not for anything wrought in us or done by us, but only for the righteousness of Christ imputed to us and received by faith alone.

You gotta love the way our confession anticipates all these errors. It is not for anything wrought in us or done by us, but only for the righteousness of Christ.

So to say faith inevitably transforms our lives, it makes it it makes it sound like faith is actually works in some way.

Now, it's okay to speak of faith working. Yes. But the way he's describing this is not overly helpful.

James. James 2. Here we go. He saw what people were doing with faith alone.

They were turning it into a doctrine that claimed you could be justified by a faith that had no good works whatsoever, didn't produce any transformation in your life.

What would he say today? What would James say today? The same thing he said in James 2.

And I did a sermon on James 2, 14 and 26. I preached on that passage a couple times. I really think it's one of the most important passages for our day and age because there is so much of this easy believism.

There is so much of this antinomian false gospel where basically people are told that if they pray a magic prayer, they're going to heaven.

Whether they have any desire for holiness or want to pursue Christ, have any desire for the

Word of God or to grow in grace or love for the church at all. He said no to such faith.

He said it's dead. Faith without works is dead, 2 .17. He said it's like a body without breath, 2 .26.

Okay. Yeah, the body without the spirit. He made a number of comments here that I thought were a little bit a little bit off as I'm recalling listening to this.

Let's listen to what else he says here. He said it's like energy with no effect, 2 .20. This is like energy with no effect.

2 .20, he says. Okay. Here's what verse 20 says. But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?

He says it's like energy with no effect, 2 .20. I don't know how that phrase could remotely be connected to 2 .20.

Energy without effect. Energy with no completion, 2 .22. Energy with no completion.

That's it. I don't understand why he's using that word. He said if there's justifying faith, there will be.

It has works. True. So he says I will show you my faith by my words.

I will show you. They will be confirmed by my words. I will show you my faith by my works.

Yeah, and the thing is, you know, faith, the assenting to the truth of the gospel, receiving and resting on Christ, that's invisible.

I mean, if a person has faith in Christ, you can't see their active faith. So there is a sense in which, yes,

I show people my faith by my works. That doesn't mean faith is works.

It just means that it's always accompanied by a transformed life. God makes us alive in Christ and God dethrones sin's tyrannical power in us.

That's what Romans chapter 6 is all about. We who were once the slaves of sin become slaves of righteousness.

We have been set free from the dominion and the tyranny and the power of sin. And we will begin the process of sanctification and begin to become holy.

Yes. All of which Paul would agree with because of Galatians 5, 6.

In Christ Jesus name. Faith working through love. Circumcision or uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love.

The kind of faith that works through love is the only kind of faith that justifies.

Yes. No love, faith is dead. Correct. Dead faith doesn't justify.

Right. Dead faith. Right. But really, really what that is really getting at with that saying in Scripture is it has to be a divinely given faith.

Because if it's divinely given by the effectual call of God's grace, then it's going to be accompanied by everything else

God does in the life of every redeemed sinner, namely the process of sanctification begins, that the power of sin is dethroned.

Romans chapter 6 explains that in great detail. And the struggle with sin will then commence. The only kind of faith that counts for justification is the kind that produces love, that bears the fruit of love.

True. The faith which alone justifies is never alone.

Westminster Catechism. But always yielding a transforming fruit.

So, when James says those controversial words in verse 24 of chapter 2, a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

Now, his interpretation of this I found to be a little odd. Listen closely to what he says here. I don't think I agree with the way he understands this.

I take him to mean not by faith which is alone. So, he does think that he's talking about justification in the same way

Paul is. That's really troubling to me. Because the fact is,

James 2 24, you see it end up by works a man is justified and not by faith alone. The question you need to ask yourself is justified with regard to what?

James 2 14 to 26 is its own pericope, its own passage. The beginning sentence is,

What good is it, my brethren, if a man says he has faith but has no works? Can that faith save him?

The hey pistis there. I would take the definite article there to be functioning on aphorically as a demonstrative.

Can that faith save him? Can a faith that has no works save him? But what is the justification being spoken of in James 2 24?

The justification of a person saying they have faith. Not their justification before God, but just their justification in saying it.

I am not justified in saying I'm a Christian if my life is completely unchanged, is totally unaffected by it.

And I'm still a slave of sin. I have no right. I am not justified in saying

I'm a Christian unless my life is different. That's really all James is saying.

That's what James 2 24 is all about. Do you see then that by works a man is justified and not by faith alone?

Piper sounds to me like he's saying that's talking about the forensic justification before God. And I think clearly in the context that is not what he's talking about.

He's talking about the justification of a person saying they have faith. Why do I think that? Because that's what the whole passage is about.

Was not Abraham justified by works when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? Well, if he's talking about forensic legal justification, he is contradicting

Paul. Because Paul says in Romans 4 verses 1 through 3, What then shall we say that Abraham our forefather according to the flesh is found?

For if Abraham was justified by works, then he has something to boast about but not before God. Paul's point is

Abraham was not justified by works in that sense. But Abraham was justified in saying he has faith by his works.

So my profession in saying I have faith, saying I'm a Christian, that profession is justified only by my works.

Because anyone can say they have faith and faith in and of itself is invisible. The only thing that you can actually observe with your own eyes is all the other saving graces that accompany faith.

That's the point of James 2, 14 to 26. I totally disagree with the way Piper is interpreting this.

He's saying that just means we're justified by a faith that's not alone. No, Dr.

Piper, if he's talking about forensic legal justification in the same way Paul is, then we are just justified by works.

And that's of course not what James 2, 24 is saying. But shows itself by works.

Paul calls this effect or fruit or evidence of faith a work of faith.

1 Thessalonians 1 .3, 2 Thessalonians 1 .11. He calls it the obedience of faith.

Now, this is troubling. This is troubling. One thing you see in Paul's writings is you'll see him make use of the very common triadic formula, is what

I would call it, faith, hope, and love. 1 Thessalonians 1 .3, he just cited, remembering without ceasing your work of faith, labor of love, and patience of hope.

You'll see those three words together, faith, hope, love, faith, hope, love, in Paul's writings. Piper's saying, well, faith, the faith that justifies, he calls the work of faith.

No, he doesn't. Not here. In 1 Thessalonians chapter 1, the context here has nothing to do with a discourse on justification.

And then Romans 1 .5, a text that is misused constantly by Rome and by the Federal Visionists, the obedience of faith.

As if faith in and of itself is obedience. And yet, I would look at that as obedience that arises from faith, or you could take it as really trusting in Christ is itself an act of obedience.

But it's not obedience to the law or anything like that. It is obedience to the gospel imperative, repent and believe.

But I think he's really missing the point of those two passages he just quoted. Romans 1 .5,

16 -26, these works of faith and these fruit of faith, or fruit of the

Spirit that come by faith, are necessary for final salvation. Yikes!

Okay, now, immediately, all Piper's defenders are going to start chiming in and getting all upset.

You're just interpreting him in the worst possible light. Even John Gerstner and others have said that works are necessary for salvation.

Of course, you would need to explain yourself. They are a necessary fruit. They necessarily accompany true faith in Christ.

But they are not and do not form any part of the grounds of getting into heaven, which is our justification.

No holiness, no heaven. Now, you've got to be real careful there.

There's that passage, I think it's in Hebrews 12, Without holiness, no man shall see the Lord. And that is quite true.

That is definitely true. Is that, in that passage, in that context, talking about the righteousness by which we're accepted before God?

No. Is it talking about the means by which sinners get into heaven?

No. But it is a true statement. Without holiness, no one will see the Lord. But he's not going to qualify this or explain it very well, and so it really muddies the waters the way he's using that phrase.

Which means, if you were following last week's report of the big survey that was done by more evangelicals than any other survey, and they're not

Protestant anymore, it was a totally confused survey. Actually, I disagree with him.

Listen to what he says here. Because the question they asked was, How do you get into heaven?

Good question. And why is Piper saying, this survey was totally confused?

Why? Because they don't make the confusing distinction that I make, between being justified and getting into heaven.

You see, the thing is, when a person has true faith in Christ, given to them by God, they are forensically, legally, judicially declared righteous in the sight of God once and forever.

And that is the basis alone upon which they get into heaven,

Dr. Piper. So the survey was asking a good question. It was asking a good question.

How do you get to heaven? And he's acting like, what a confusing question! Listen to his answer to this.

You don't get into heaven by faith alone! I want you all to think with me about what he just said here.

I want you to think about this. You don't get into heaven by faith alone, he says. Historically, why did the

Protestant Reformers use the phrase, sola fide, faith alone? What they were talking about was this.

What is it that gets the sinner past the judgment of God into heaven?

What is it that gets us into heaven? God is righteous, God is holy, God is just, and we are not.

And how can any of us expect to survive a tribunal before the just and holy

God when we know that God expects and requires perfect righteousness in order for Him to justify anybody?

And here's where the controversy was with Rome. Rome said that you can't be just without the help of Christ and the grace of Christ and the infusion of His power, without grace or without faith.

But, added to that grace, added to that faith, added to that Christ must be the personal contribution of the sinner, without which

God will not declare you just. Now that's all the difference in the world. And what justification by faith alone really means is this.

Justification by the righteousness of Christ alone. That's what the

New Testament is talking about. That's what getting into heaven means. And that's what all the

Reformers were talking about as well. So when Piper says, you don't get into heaven by faith alone, you know what he really is saying?

You don't get into heaven by the righteousness of Christ alone. Anathema.

Anathema, Dr. Piper. That's a gospel that's no gospel at all. So you would have the sinner to be justified by faith alone.

Yeah, can't add even one iota of works to that. And if you do, you're a debtor to keep the whole law and Christ will be of no benefit to you.

But getting into heaven is not by faith alone. It's an extremely subtle, dangerous, false gospel.

You don't get into heaven by faith alone, Dr. Piper, I promise you this. My confidence for getting into heaven is faith in Jesus Christ alone.

You know why? You know why it's faith alone? Because only the righteousness of Christ can survive the tribunal of God.

Because justification is only by the righteousness of Christ alone. And that's why we say it's by faith alone.

You get justified by faith alone. You get into a position where God is 100 % for you.

Rome's state of grace, sanctifying grace is infused into your soul at your baptism.

You're in a position where God is 100 % for you. And then from that position where God is already completely for you, you then can do the works that will get you into heaven.

It's the same exact identical thing, folks. Same exact doctrine, nuanced differently.

This is going to appeal. This could easily take in a lot of reform types. Well, yeah, everything he said about Galatians and about justification.

But you see, in Piper's thinking, there is a massive distinction between justification and getting into heaven.

And that's what he has not proven. And that's what he would have to prove from the Bible for us to accept any of this.

Faith alone. And in order to get into heaven, that faith must bear the fruit of love. Pursue the holiness without which you will not see the

Lord. Put to death the deeds of the body and you will live. When Paul says that, is he describing the means by which we get into heaven when he says that in Romans 8?

Put to death the deeds of the body and you will live. Is he talking about the means by which or the instrumental causes of which that get us into heaven?

In no way, shape, or form. He says in Romans 8, 1, just a few verses before what he's quoting there, there is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.

And there never will be any condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus because they're going to be taken into heaven on the grounds of the righteousness of Jesus Christ alone.

That's the gospel. It's the surveyors who are confused.

No, Dr. Piper, it's you who are confused. Asking the question, how do you get into heaven?

Is asking the question, how can a sinner be justified before God? It's not the surveyors who are confused.

You are. And you need to show from the Bible that justification by faith alone is somehow different or is not the very basis upon which sinners get into heaven.

Amazing. Come on now,

Bethlehem College and Seminary. Don't be sloppy.

Yes, Bethlehem College and Seminary. Read your Bible when Paul is writing

Galatians 5, 1 -3. He's not just talking about initial justification or getting into a position where God is 100 % for you.

He's talking about you being declared righteous once and for all eternity. That's what the book of Galatians is about.

Do you seriously think that Paul would agree with this, Dr. Piper? You really think that? Oh yeah,

I'm just talking about the initial justification. But you get to heaven by pursuing holiness.

Put to death the deeds of the body and you will live upon that basis. Paul would denounce this in the most merciless terms,

I have no doubt. We should not speak of getting into heaven at the last day, through the last judgment, when all of our lives are assessed for whether there's been any transformation confirming the reality of the faith which alone justifies.

We should not say you can live like the devil and get to heaven.

What a canard. You know what? You know what he's actually doing here? He doesn't even realize it.

He is agreeing with the objectors in Romans chapter 6. What shall we say then?

Shall we continue in sin so that grace may abound? Shall we live like the devil and still think we can get to heaven?

What is Paul's answer to this? What's Paul's answer to that question that Piper is asking? Does he say, you can't speak of getting to heaven by faith alone?

No, Paul believes you get to heaven by faith alone. But what's his answer to the charge of antinomianism? What's his answer to the charge?

Oh, you're just preaching a license to sin. Shall we sin so that grace may abound? What's Paul's answer to that? It's not

Dr. Piper's. What's Paul's answer? How shall we who died to sin live in it any longer?

Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we were buried with him through baptism into death that we might be raised to newness of life, to walk in newness of life.

Sin shall not have dominion over you any longer for you are not under law but under grace. You became slaves of righteousness having been set free from sin.

What's Paul's answer to this? Is it to add more conditions to getting into heaven? No, it is to describe the work of God in the life and the heart of every sinner and that is not how we get to heaven.

Does God sanctify us? Yes. Does he make us alive in Christ? Yes. Does he begin the process of chipping away at the old man and making us more and more die unto sin and more and more alive unto righteousness?

Yes. Does that play any role whatsoever in our acceptance with God? No, it doesn't.

And to say that it does is a false gospel. This is serious.

I know how popular John Piper is. I know how many people salivate over every word the man says.

But this is theological poison you are hearing. There is a holiness without which we will not see the

Lord. Yes, be careful though, Dr. Piper. That holiness is not the grounds of our acceptance with God.

To the one who does not work but believes on him who justifies the ungodly his faith is accounted for righteousness.

So, essential to the Christian life and necessary for final salvation

Final salvation. Folks, watch out for this. You got to watch out for this. When people speak of final salvation now there certainly is in the

Puritans speak about the eschatological verdict but it is simply the eschatological verdict of our final judgment before God is brought backward in time to us at the moment of our effectual calling and it is declared to us then.

We are justified right now. We have eternal life right now. And yes, it is okay to speak that way because that eschatological verdict is brought back and applied to us the moment that we believe.

But to speak of justification as one thing and then getting into heaven as a completely different thing

Folks, that is false teaching. That is very dangerous. That is false teaching in the pursuit of holiness.

So, to get into heaven you better be killing sin and pursuing holiness because evidently on that basis not the righteousness of Christ no, no, no, no that is just how you get justified but getting into heaven is by killing sin and pursuing holiness.

What is this? The Galatian heresy. The Apostle Paul addressed this head on in Galatians 3

Who has bewitched you? Before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as circumcised?

Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law or by the hearing of faith? Having begun in the

Spirit are you now being perfected in the flesh by works? Having begun justification by faith alone you get into a position where God is 100 % for you.

Having begun with that what he is saying is the

Galatian heresy. It is the same thing. It is a nuanced interesting way of repackaging the same old thing.

Hebrews 12 .14 Mortification of sin sanctification and holiness

It is really weird he is listing the new requirements Here is what you need to do in order to get saved in order to go to heaven.

And what makes that possible and pleasing to God is what? These next two sentences are absolutely crucial for receiving the

Christian life Listen closely I want to back that up I want you to hear this again Romans 8 .13

and the pursuit of holiness Hebrews 12 .14 Listen to it again Mortification of sin sanctification and holiness and what makes that possible and pleasing to God is what?

What makes it possible and pleasing to God is what? Listen to what he goes on to say here and again this is exactly what the

Roman Catholic Council of Trent taught It is the same thing If you listen to the debates they all say what makes it all possible couldn't do it without grace couldn't do it without faith either

The works by which we get into heaven couldn't do it without grace couldn't do it without faith couldn't do it apart from being in a position where God is 100 % for you

Listen to what he says He says these next two sentences are vitally important These next two sentences are absolutely crucial absolutely crucial for living the

Christian life for living the Christian life Listen carefully to these What makes it possible for you to kill sin pursue holiness which are essential for going to heaven

He's pretty clear isn't he We put sin to death and we pursue holiness from a justified position where God is 100 % for us

Already And what he has made as crystal clear

This is why that sentence is so painful to listen to What he has made clear is that having

God 100 % for you ain't enough to get you into heaven The righteousness of your justification

Jesus Christ's righteousness credited to you ain't enough to get you into heaven

Amazing By faith alone

So you get into that position where God is 100 % for you by faith alone

And then from that position you do all these works that get you into heaven Because getting justified apparently is not is not how we're brought into heaven

And yet that is the very legal verdict of the final judgment brought back in time and applied to the believing sinner who was then united to Jesus Christ He is separating final salvation and the final judgment from the judgment being brought back in time and applied to us the moment we have faith in Jesus Christ where we are legally pronounced righteous in the sight of God because of Jesus Christ Righteousness imputed to us and His cross work accepted as our satisfaction for all our sins

Piper's saying that starts the initial process just like Rome teaches It's totally gracious that you get in but then you gotta do all this other stuff in order to get to heaven

Folks, it's the same thing This is tridentine Catholicism This is Romanism minus a

Pope and a few extra sacraments It's the same thing You are in that position where God is 100 %

Like Rome would say You're in the state of grace where God is 100 % for you surely and solely by grace for you by faith alone and from that position you now put sins to death and you now pursue holiness from that position

Here's the second sentence It's all important Listen closely to this now because if we try to put sin to death and pursue holiness from a position where we're not fully accepted not fully forgiven not fully righteous in Christ where God is not 100 % for us but maybe only 95 % for us then we will be putting sin to death and pursuing holiness as a means of getting in there

Same thing I mean that's an interesting way of trying to nuance this but it's still the same thing

You're gonna say that getting into heaven by works and by killing off sin and pursuing holiness well you can only do it from a position where God is 100 % for you but if you don't understand

God as 100 % for you you're gonna try to be doing it as a means how does he say here let's hear that again not 100 % for us but maybe only 95 % for us then we will be putting sin to death and pursuing holiness as a means of getting in there getting in there

I think I think what he means by getting in there getting into this position of being justified or something

I'm not sure that is the Galatian heresy yeah he's talking about as a means of getting in there not getting into heaven but getting into that position of being justified be careful here because Galatianism for him only applies to that initial step of getting into a position where God is 100 % for you not getting into heaven remember the surveyors the surveyors are totally confused because they actually think that what justifies you is what gets you into heaven they're totally confused therefore we are justified we are put in a position please track with him now we are justified we are put in a position where God is 100 % for us by faith alone you need to understand that is not what he believes about how we get to heaven in his thinking completely different theological category getting into heaven is not justification please bear that in mind where God is 100 % for us by faith and as he has made crystal clear having

God 100 % for you and being justified will not get you into heaven position in Christ where no accusation sticks no condemnation holds no separation ever comes brothers and sisters we have been shown the solution to the world's greatest problem you know it we have entered paradise we have stood on our head for joy have we not not anymore because I don't if I accepted what he was saying

I don't know if I'm going to heaven or not have I put sin to death enough have

I pursued holiness enough I would point out anyone that thinks they have is deceived our faith rests upon Christ alone not just to get us in a position where God is 100 % for us where we can then do stuff that will quote unquote get us into heaven it's

Christ's righteousness and his cross work alone that get us into heaven from the moment we believe until the moment we draw our final breath will we put sin to death yes will we pursue holiness yes does saving faith in Christ always result is always accompanied by all the other saving graces all the other works that God does in the life of the sinner the sanctifying work that he does the dethroning of sin yes but are those the things that get us into heaven no what gets us into heaven is our justification and nothing else because that justification is the eschatological legal verdict brought backwards in time and applied to us now

I praise God for it it's my only hope Christ's righteousness will avail for me it availed for me at the beginning it has availed for me my whole life and that same righteousness his perfect obedience and his cross work as my substitute those will be the only basis by which

I will get into heaven or heaven everything's changed savor it show it to the world you need it more than anything anything and you will not have wasted your life father go with us now okay so there's there's the end of the sermon um you know that his defenders are going to be um real real they're going to try to defend this as much as possible that's why

I wanted to just let him speak in his own words he's he's pretty clear he's pretty clear um justification by faith alone is not how you get into heaven real clear now you can't say well look all he's saying is that these these other saving graces have to be there they're necessary in that sense they are a necessary fruit of our of our justification they always accompany those things but folks that is not what he said that is not what he said what he did was he made a massive chasm between getting into a position where God is 100 % for you you must have said that at least half a dozen times getting into that position and then getting into heaven it's a completely different matter and that's the danger of this and I'll tell you it is ironic to listen to a man walk through a passage in Galatians and get its meaning exactly correct and then go on to destroy everything he just said if you add one iota one tiny little quiver of a work

Christ will be of no benefit to you but this is not how you get to heaven this is just how you get into a position where God is 100 % for you and then from that position you put to death the sin of the final judgment there will be an assessment to see if there is any transformation and so on and so forth and that is how you get to heaven very very very confusing very troubling we need to labor to be clear and labor to make sure that people understand what we're saying we preach the gospel to them when people accuse me of preaching license and say oh you make it sound so easy

I take that to be an encouraging thing because the apostle Paul had that very same charge leveled against him

I mean he said in Romans 5 20 where grace abounds or where sin abounds grace abounds all the more how many times did the apostle

Paul hear well shall we sin so that grace may increase can we just go out and live like the devil and still go to heaven you know

I don't think John Piper is going to be hearing that charge anymore and that's a sad thing and of course we answer that objection the same way

Paul did of course not may it get away Tom may it never be how shall we who died to sin live in it any longer it's a whole different theological category folks we're not talking about getting into heaven or the basis upon which we get to heaven sanctification is an ongoing work of God's spirit in the life of every believer but that's not how we get to heaven and praise