What Happened at the SBC?

I want to bring you back in, I want to ask you one burning question. You're a biologist. I have two biologists here. I have a burning question that has been asked recently, I'm wondering if you can help out with.

I know that this can't be answered by Supreme Court justices. What is a woman?

Oh, you do not want me to go down this road because sex determination and development, I mean, Dr. Jensen is probably more familiar with developmental biology than I am. But that's a really complicated question, especially when you consider the complexities of human biology.

Look, I actually do, I talk in class about sex determination, chromosomal determinants, hormonal determinants, genetic determinants. What determines sex? See, that's, there's no short, there is no answer to that question that I could answer in the time that we have tonight.

Really? Okay. It is a really complicated question.

It is a really complicated question. So it's not a question of chromosome X versus Y? 100 no.

100 no. You can ask me the question 12 different ways if you want, but you're going to get the same answer each time. I don't think it's all that complex.

I would answer it very simply. A woman is what God, who created the women, defines it as. God created her, he gets to give the definition. So it's a woman is what God calls a woman. One, two, three.

What God Defines as a Woman

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Unlike Dr. Cardinal from Rutgers University there that couldn't answer very quickly, what is a woman? Yes, this is a very difficult question. Thousands of years of history, we knew the answer. But now, in the last two years, this is a very difficult question to be answered, and we don't have time to give a simple answer like X versus Y chromosome.

I know, it's a tough one. Let me bring in from the backstage Dr. Anthony Silvestro with the very beautiful scenery behind him.

Yes, somehow I got the better view at your house tonight. So I'm actually live from Andrew's house, but I got the better seat. I'm outside.

I do fear for my basil. My fresh basil is going to be gone.

All throughout the show, while I'm drinking from your favorite cup too, leftist tears.

You'll be drinking down the leftist ears. Before we bring the others in, I said I want to trigger you, so

I've already triggered off that video. I'm sorry. You know what? We always joke about how people say that I'm a dentist, I'm not a real doctor. And I'm like, I know what a woman is. I know what a man is.

I could easily describe this for you, scientifically, biologically, however you need me to do it, I could do that for you. So yeah, I'm already triggered.

Well, I forget who made it, but someone made a great meme from that show when I asked the guy the question and your head's in your hand, like it's just been discussed. Dr. Jensen and I are like smiling and the guy's trying to explain, no, this is really complex.

And it was just like, oh, yes. We hoped that Dr. Cardinal would come in and defend his explanation that it takes him several days to explain, I guess, what a woman is. He does it in class over many classes, I guess.

I don't know. I think I did it in, what, maybe 10 seconds there? Yeah. Whatever God says a woman is.

Yeah. And even biologically, you can explain it in about 30 seconds. You go for the biology first, the genetics, and then you can talk about the biochemistry and how those genetics influences all the genes in the body as well as the hormone responses, which gives rise to literally personality and every other trait you have.

So, yeah, you can do that really quickly.

Okay, so I should address this. I see this in the comments, so I should address this before we trigger you. KT is saying, I'm glad Andrew is still alive. If you listen to the rap report that will come out this next week, I will go into more detail of all that has been going on and why the recent posts that some have seen from me.

But basically, Friday was a horrible day for me. It was really a pinnacle, a changing point for me. But I did land in the hospital, ER, late at night. Basically had a medical reaction to some blood pressure medicine that I was taking.

Just it's one of those rare times, Anthony, you know that I'm not into taking medicines like even Benadryl. I tend not to take things. I try to do things naturally. And my lips started blowing up and I decided to go to the store, get Benadryl by God's providence.

And as everything that happened, it was God's providence. We didn't have Benadryl in the house. I went out to the 1130 at night, found a 24 hour CVS and the pharmacist was actually still there. I decided, which I typically wouldn't have done, was to bother the pharmacist and asked him, hey, what's the fastest acting Benadryl?

And I said it, my lips started falling up like this. He took one look at my lip and said, you should go to the ER. And I said, yeah, okay, I'll just take the Benadryl, pop it and go. And so I popped it in and went, I passed the hospital on my way home and I was talking to my wife on the phone.

I said, you know what? I think I'm just going to turn around because the doctor had said, if you start having any kind of breathing problems, get to the emergency room immediately. And I don't know if he put it in my head or just, but I started like going, am I actually wheezing?

I don't know. I just decided, you know what? I'm going to go in. The ER doctor said basically that may have saved my life or at least saved my voice. The reaction they have, there's nothing they can really do for it other than to see if it closes, my throat closes up and if it starts closing up, they put a trach in and that's it.

And then, you know, I no longer speak. So they literally had me in the hospital for six hours just watching to see if I was going to need to have a trach or not. So they're just watching to see whether my throat swelled up or not.

So Pastor Justin says, it was my fault. I stressed Andrew out. That would be true because he's not here right now. He's not in the show and he should be just so we'll say it's his fault. Melissa Lex says, praise God for his providence.

So I had been under a lot of stress. I think you guys, the audience, you know that Anthony and Justin have been filling in and taking on a lot of the shows for a while and I do appreciate that. But I think now, I realized I can't work as many hours as I was.

And so I basically made the decision, for health reasons, other reasons, I resigned from my church and so I'm no longer pastoring. So just focused here on the ministry, doing all that plus trying to do some side work to pay bills was just too much.

So I'm feeling a lot better. Blood pressure is under control without medicine. So I think it was up a little high today, but I think that's because of the guy on the other side of the camera showed up at my house and I feel stressed.

Vaccine Claims, Medical Providence, and Public Health Narratives

Okay, let's make him feel stressed. Anthony, let's play a video for you here. Okay, here you go. You're looking at you just love that guy. That's your favorite doctor, Dr. Fauci. All right, so let's. That's not a real doctor.

What about what about Dr. Cardale? He couldn't even define a woman. I mean, you know, I'm sorry, but if you're if you are a biologist, because we heard from a judge that she can't answer what is woman because she's not a biologist.

But if you're a PhD in biology, teaching at a university, teaching biology at a university,.

Evolutionary biology, no less. You know, your genetics, then you can't.

Find a man versus a woman. I'm just saying, if you you shouldn't be teaching biology, if you can't answer a simple question like that, just saying. But you, Anthony, you and I have been very vocal about certain things going on in the world with Dr. Fauci and vaccines.

In fact, in fact, Striving for Eternity got got booted from YouTube for a little while because we dared to say things about the vaccine. I wonder if this is going to get us banned, because this is the famed Dr. Fauci saying, well, exactly what we've been saying for two years.

Let's listen and I'll let you respond to the things that's clear from the data that even though vaccines, because of the high degree of transmissibility of this virus, don't protect overly well, as it were, against infection.

They protect quite well against severe disease leading to hospitalization and death. And I believe that's the reason, Neil, why at my age, being vaccinated and boosted, even though it didn't protect me against infection, I feel confident that it made a major role in protecting me from progressing to severe disease.

And that's very likely why I had a relatively mild course. So my message to people who seem confused because people who are vaccinated get infected. The answer is, if you weren't vaccinated, the likelihood you would have more severe course than you did have when you were vaccinated.

All right, Dr. Sebastian, I hate to be the one to say I told you so, but, you know, we've been saying this for a long time, that vaccines are not going to prevent. And in fact, we have statistics anywhere from between 75 to 90 of all new COVID cases are people who've been vaccinated.

Exactly what we've expected because of the type of technology. The thing that makes me most triggered for this, though, is this issue. And they've been lying about flu shots for years, is they claim that, well, you might still get the flu, but it'll diminish your symptoms.

How in the world can you design a study to figure that out? You can't. It's literally made up. It's been talked about for years. And now they transfer that same narrative to the COVID vaccine. There is no way to actually know this.

And the thing is, is if you're more likely to get COVID being on the vaccine than not having the vaccine, why would you think that it's going to somehow diminish symptoms? This just doesn't make any sense.

And they want to call themselves scientists and they want to say to follow the science. But of course, these same people also can't tell you what a woman is.

So, well, I think Chris has the answer here. Dr. Fauci sounds like a great representative of the so-called Department of Truth from the 1984 book. I think he's right there. I mean, the reality is, is he's now admitting publicly because of the fact that he got COVID.

Now he's admitting it's not overly helpful for preventing you from getting COVID. But that was the whole sales pitch that they had said. And we were proponents saying that's not true. Looking at the data, he's finally looking at the data.

Glad he's finally getting around to it. But he's now looking at the data and after saying that we all must get vaccinated, he was a big proponent of mandating vaccines. And now we find out it's not overwhelmingly helpful.

To preventing you from getting COVID and oh, but it might prevent you from getting severe cases. How do you know? Because you can't do a study with the same person. Having testing before and after the COVID vaccine, you can't do that study, everyone's different, but I I got COVID, you got COVID, not big deal.

We're done with it quickly, it was a flu for me, at least it was a flu that lasted a little bit longer, a little bit more symptoms. And I was over it. No big deal. Do people die from the flu? Yeah. Now, not during 2020.

That's the miracle of 2020. Nobody got the flu in 2020. But a lot of people got COVID. I wonder if that was a correlation there.

Not to mention all the nonsense with with talking about how vaccines, they they were they were trying to tell us the vaccines were superior to natural immunity after you've had after you yourself have gotten COVID.

Yeah, I see Justin's comment.

You know exactly what I was laughing at. Justin Pierce says. Anthony is mad that Dr. Fauci has more hair.

Trust me, I would love to blame my loss of hair on one of the vaccines, but I did not.

Take them. No, he says they shouldn't call it a vaccine. And it's interesting because what CDC had to do is actually change the definition. This they've admitted this now in emails that were that were out that they had to redefine what a vaccine is and what it means to be vaccinated because it didn't match the COVID -19 vaccine, which says it is not a vaccine or, as Jason says, it's complete total propaganda.

Yeah. One of my friends who's in the area back home, a medical doctor, he's been an emergency room doctor for years, understands vaccines well. He said what's unique about this vaccine is that, like like most, is it targets one specific spot of the COVID.

In this case, it targets the spike protein, which by no coincidence is the exact part of the of the COVID that will or coronavirus that will actually mutate the quickest, rendering vaccines useless very quickly, which is why they have to keep coming out with boosters where the vaccine hits one spot and targets one area.

Your natural immunities, it appears in the research, target 28 different receptor sites on the coronavirus. Twenty eight. And those are actually longer lasting versus what the spike protein one is. So, I mean, it's astounding the research is behind the scenes is being suppressed.

But I know we're not having a show on just vaccines tonight. So should we transition to our next topic?

It does go to the fact of, like you said earlier, if we can't define what a woman is now, I got to bring in matter of theology here because I see Chris Hough going like this, waving his hands like, come on, come on, bring it on.

So so with this, this is the second in the news segment. This is do you really? This was sparked by Drew this morning. And Drew, I don't know if you've been following my Facebook and Twitter, but thanks a lot.

I mean, you got me blocked by a lot of people.

All right. I just give the information what you do with it.

That's on you. Can we back up for what you wanted something to say on these? Because I look, I'll just say this just and this is maybe a matter of theology, maybe not. You know, the world. Well, it is because, right, the world is watching, right?

The world is watching the way that our country has handled this pandemic of covid -19. They've watched. And the fact that this talking head, this fool is still allowed to get on cable news networks and talk about that, I think just continues to show how weak we are as a country and how much under God's judgment we are.

Amen to that. And it goes to show how much money talks in all this, because you've got the three hundred and fifty million dollars that we know about in payouts to Fauci and Francis Collins, who is the head of Biologos, who is a calls himself a Christian, is really a Catholic who promotes evolution and destroys the foundations of the Bible, paying for Christian school teachers every year to come out and get free training, free flights, free hotel, free food to teach you evolution and bring back to their Christian clack, clack, clack, clack classroom.

Sorry. I don't know why my tongue is tied tonight. I'm fired up right now.

It's a lot. Yeah, I just might make you feel better, Anthony. Yeah, please. The whole the whole thing about our dentist, doctors and all of that. So you and I have had several conversations, right, about medical stuff, about just across the board.

Whenever I talk to some friends or even family, I always say I have a friend who's a doctor and then I say what you say. I don't say I have a friend who's a dentist. I've got a friend who's a doctor.

We've talked about these things. I'm not sure if this is a compliment or not, but I'll take it as one.

All right, Drew, let's get to the trouble you got me in today. You sent a text to a couple of us this morning, which which Chris was able to verify. And so let's I said, why don't you come on so we could talk about this in the in the news section of the podcast.

Now, folks, if you don't know the voices you're hearing, Chris Huff and Drew are from Matter of Theology podcast. So I encourage you guys. They're part of the Christian podcast community. So go out there, check them out.

If you're not listening to them, what is wrong with you?

Yeah, seriously. And by the way, good to see you guys tonight, Chris and Drew. Good to see you. Good to see you earlier.

So no worries. At least one of them is representing their podcast, though. I won't say which one has his shirt Matter of Theology on. And, you know, the same.

But Drew, go ahead. Someone was supposed to get a shirt, but he hasn't gotten his. I have not gotten one yet. But anyway, you know, I just found I had just found out about this this morning that Benny Johnson, the wife of Bill Johnson, had she'd been battling cancer and the doctors moved her off of chemo and were moving her into hospice.

And so I just sent a text to a couple of us in a group that we had. And I said, hey, you know, obviously we want to pray for for the Lord to intervene in healing her body because, you know, he can we still believe the Lord can heal.

But more specifically and on a greater measure of healing, we want to focus our prayers on the greater healing of of the soul. And that is we wanted to pray for her salvation because being a part of Bethel and obviously, you know, co-senior pastor with her with her husband, Bill, they teach a lot of false doctrine and false gospel.

And so I sent that out and then it was verified by Chris shortly after that she had actually passed away. So Benny Johnson of Bethel Reading has actually passed away of cancer. And it brought about a lot of things that were, I guess, infuriating, you could say it is a word Chris use that word because there's Andrew, you've got a story about, you know, someone who was I'm going to get into that.

Yep. And then there was we think back a couple of years ago, Chris and I did a show on a little baby named Olivia who had passed away. And then they brought the baby who had passed away to the church.

And I don't know how long, a couple of days, they tried to resurrect her from the dead. Yeah. I mean, just horrific things.

So maybe Olive, right? Yeah. Yeah. Wake up, Olive. That was the whole thing that they did. Yeah. So this is what I ended up posting and it got me in a lot of heat. But I said, no, yeah, I guess so. I said, you know, Benny Johnson, Bill, Bill's wife died.

That is very sad. It should be noted that Bill had a young 29 year old lady newly wed with a young child who worked for him in a total we had a totally treatable type of cancer. And she was told by Bill Johnson herself that he that she lacked the faith by going to doctors.

And so what did she do? She stopped the treatments. Within a few months, she went home. She came she came to Pennsylvania, which is how I got to know of her, where she came so her parents could take care of her so that she could die, leaving a husband behind, leaving a child behind.

Immediately, it only took two posts. The second comment that's all took the second comment, second post was, it's too soon for something like this. You have no love of which I'm like, yeah, I have a lot of love for the 29 year old victim of the false teaching of Bill Johnson.

I have a lot of love and care for her. She you know what she had to go through. But but then for her husband, who she leaves behind to for the child that Negro was up without a mother, I have a lot of love for them.

I don't have a lot of love for a predator like Bill Johnson, who feeds off of Christians that want to get better. And for this girl, she lacks faith by going to doctors and dealing with a treatable cancer.

But for his wife, Bill Johnson's wife, she was getting the best treatment that money could buy, got in hospice so she could pass nicely. I don't rejoice that she passed. Right. It's not a good thing. I feel bad for the family, but it exposes and I had people saying that it was interesting because one person who criticized me, he then removed the comment, which then he went to his own wall to attack me.

And when I commented that, you know, it's interesting because everybody was saying like he was saying that I was lacking love and people were like, are you kidding? He's showing love. He even said he was sorry.

It's like, when is the right time to call out a false teacher? Then it seems like it's never the right time for the progressives, you know, and the liberals. It's never a right time for them.

Let me quote Bill Johnson himself. OK, I said, I refuse to create a theology that allows for sickness.

That's Bill Johnson's own. Those are his words, ladies and gentlemen. And I did say infuriating in our text thread, and I think that that's, you know, why we have compassion for and we've all experienced some sort of loss in our lives.

And so we understand that we pray that the Lord would comfort them. We pray the Lord would give them peace. But most importantly, what I have been praying for is that the Lord would use this to open his eyes, to shake off, to smash the veil from his eyes, and that he would receive true repentance and saving faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Because right now he does not possess faith in the biblical Christ. And some may say, well, Chris, how can you say that? That's very judgmental. I can say that based upon what we see in scripture, Matthew chapter seven, judging fruit.

When we see this fruit of guys like Bill Johnson denying the very deity of Christ, guys like Bill Johnson, who preach a false gospel and a false Christ and give people a false assurance of salvation, then they in turn end up giving money to Bethel that goes to him, that paid for Benny's care, all while he's telling people, you just need to have more faith.

You just need to have more faith. You just need to have more faith. When that's not it, the most loving thing we can do is to go, OK, yes, we're praying for them. Yes, that's horrible. We don't wish that on anybody.

Our desire is what we see of scripture and the fact that we desire all to be saved. I think of Paul Washer saying, my desire is that everybody would come to know Christ. However, we know that's not going to be the case.

And we've seen through the fruit of Bethel, we've seen through the fruit of Bill Johnson and Benny Johnson, that they are wolves in sheep's clothing. So it's not unloving to point out the erroneous theology.

It's not unloving to point out the erroneous ideologies that have eternal consequences. Unless the Lord granted Benny repentance and saving faith in the true Christ before she died, she spent her life saying, Lord, Lord, did I not do this?

Did I not do that? And here's what she heard. She heard, away from me, I never knew you, you who practice lawlessness. And so our desire is to go, OK, hello, these guys have been preaching little faith.

You need to have more faith. I don't believe in a theology, in a God that allows for sickness. Well, if you can't see now through the eyeglasses, through the arm braces, through the blasphemy and chicanery, now you see that the matriarch of Bethel has passed away from sickness.

Yeah. So it's not unloving to go avoid this, pray for them, but avoid this. Well, and the thing that I found so interesting, several people on my wall and then this other guy who ended up blocking me when he put a post out on his wall, people were like, well, I doubt this story is true.

Well, this is someone that I personally was having to counsel with. Right, this is someone that personally is out here, moved out here, talked to. Yes, the story is real. But the reason I find it so interesting is they're saying the story does it's it's not consistent because everybody at Bethel knew that she was sick with cancer and she was getting treatments.

I'm like, that's the point. You see, for some 29 year old girl with a treatable cancer, it's you lack faith. But for Bill Johnson, there's a different set of rules for him. His wife can go get doctoral care, medical care.

But for you, no, you know. And so Chris here says this, given the kenosis heresy that Bethel holds, it would be fair to say that it is reasonably possible that Benny Johnson could be in hell as we speak.

So let me explain what that means. The kenosis theory is the idea that on the cross, Jesus stopped being God, that only the human side of Jesus died.

It well, and they take it a step further, though, they believe that he walked to the earth not being God, that he walked by. Yeah, he walked by the power of the Holy Spirit, the same Holy Spirit. We can walk by and by the way, we can do bigger things than even Jesus could.

And that's their theology.

It's even bigger than just the kenosis theory at the cross. But at the cross, the reason it becomes really important at the cross is if Jesus Christ was not God in his death, then he suffered a temporal death, not an eternal death.

And if he suffered a temporal death, he can only pay the punishment for one human being. And it would take him all eternity to do it. The fact is, the reason he had to be God on that cross when he died is because his eternal nature is what makes his punishment an eternal punishment, that he can suffer for more than one person and suffer it eternally because his nature is eternal.

But if he gives up that eternal nature, then you're dead in your sin.

And so it's directly connected to the resurrection and that he rose bodily and as God and as man as well, because it has to continue in that eternal state. That is continuously being paid for.

So he rose bodily, which would be the only possible fulfillment of a pre-millennial view. Right, Drew? And I'm just saying, by the way, it's not even here. OK, here. But Jim is Jim did tell me he is working.

He thinks that he can show that the the resurrection is required for for not just the Davidic covenant, but the the other covenants as well. So I think this that, you know, tidal wave of of scripture tsunami is about to cave in on you, I think.

He was on when he was on a month or a month or so ago, he said he he was going to talk to you about doing a teaching of premillennialism. Yeah. So I think you should let him do that.

I think we should. But we also have to we also have to get the debate set up with him and Justin Peters over who is the 12th apostle, because we still have to get that. So let me I'm going to put you guys backstage, but you guys can comment in the private chat and let me know when you want to come in, because we're gonna bring in some other guests here.

We want to go ahead.

And I just as a transition, I just want to say that they wish that there was a different vaccine that was made and it would be for all the SBC liberalism disease that is out.

There. Well, speaking of that, let's bring in Dr. Casey Butner, who is here. And so let me just hey, Drew, you said that you have a doctor friend. Well, this is Dr. Casey. I think they say you spoke to two doctors that, you know, and yeah.

Yeah. Don't we won't let anyone know he's a paper doctor, not like Anthony. If, you know, his doctor is in theology, not, you know, medicine.

But, you know, as long as you got, you know, the doctor in front, I mean, Dr. MacArthur's he's just got an honorary doctorate. He's not a real doctor, but we call him doctor anyway. So yeah, as long as you got the doctor in front, you know, yeah, you could practice medicine then.

Yeah, sure. Bring it on. I'll I'll submit myself to testing.

Sure. All right. So, Dr. Casey Butner, you are a pastor down there in Winter Garden, Florida. And so, folks, if you're if you're in that area, good church to go to. I'm also going to bring in Dr. Sorry, Pastor Dominic Gamaldi.

And he has a fellow I think that's a fellow elder at your church. Right. Harlan Nielsen. Yes, sir. OK, so now I'm going to now this is someone new for folks to Apologetics Live. So let me give a little bit of an introduction for Pastor Dom.

And but you may be familiar with him. He is one of the podcasters. He does street talk theology on Christian podcast community. So you can check out his podcast. He is also comes in regularly into the theology throwdown that the Christian podcast community does once a week.

He has that. And if any of you need translation, I do speak New York in. And, you know, we have that New York heavy accent that he's got. But I have to be careful because he is he's kind of a rough, got a rough background.

Pastor Dom spent a couple of years in prison, got saved in prison and is now pastoring down in Arizona. And he's got a church there. So for a first time, welcome to the show and welcome, Harland, for joining us.

Now, you guys were at the SBC convention, the three of you at the lower part of the screen here. And so I know that we did a show two weeks ago about the SBC and some of the things and I wasn't on it.

And Pastor Dom was like, I was there. There's things I'd like to say as someone who is an eyewitness. And I know, Dr. Casey, you were there. There's a couple of things I want to do. I want to give you guys a chance to say for each of you.

I'm going to start with Pastor Casey and then Pastor Dom. I want you guys to be able to say where you guys are at as far as your church with the SBC. Some of the things I do want to talk about tonight that we'll get into is the messengers.

I want to ask you guys how messengers work as far as who gets to speak at the mic. And there's a reason for that. I'm sure you probably you'll guess what the reason is. So we'll get into that issue as well.

And for those that don't know what the reason is, well, then just stick on the show and you'll find out why. So, Pastor Casey, let me start with you. You went to the convention. What was your goal in going?

What was the outcome? Where's your church stand right now with the SBC? Right on.

That's a that's a great question. You know, we have been engaged and all the way back in Birmingham when I'm in 2019, when critical race theory was voted in.

So we it's the first time we are. Can you hear me? All right. Yep. Yep. I just muted.

I muted Pastor Dom. He was talking. Gotcha. Fantastic. Well, you know, our concerns were heightened then. And then obviously, when you have concerns, you start noticing everything else. And so nevertheless, over the years now, we have just simply discovered one thing after another, after another, after another.

And so last year in Nashville, we brought a slew of messengers and they saw the fiasco. They saw how the microphones are turned off and the cameras are moved according to how the liberals want it to be.

Those on stage can just simply dominate, move and ignore Robert's rules of order, all parliamentary procedures and continue the SBC's narrative, the worldly narrative, might I say. Then so we saw that and came back and reported it last year.

And we have just simply seen the facts and known of them for quite a while. And in good conscience, we thought we need to go to Anaheim. The Conservative Baptist Network has been formed. Thousands of individuals, perhaps even churches as well, have teamed up to try and take back the SBC.

And Tom Asgall is running for president. So there was momentum there. There was there was hope. There was a lot of prayer. There was a rallying point, especially in Nashville. And so nevertheless, the people showed up, ironically, to California.

I was expecting somewhere around five or six thousand, but over ten thousand came. So I was impressed about how many people came. But I can't help but say that I was impressed with the messengers seeing how they voted and how they affirmed Rick Warren.

But nevertheless, we went to Anaheim to just kind of get verification as to what we already knew. And as we were going, if perhaps God was going to revive the SBC, we wanted to be a part of the solution.

And if it was going to happen, then it would have happened. But obviously, all of the momentum was in the opposite direction. So nevertheless, Beulah Baptist Church in Winter Garden is where I pastor, bbcwg .org.

And we were greatly disappointed. And I came back and gave an accurate report as to what the convention did and held and everything. So nevertheless, thank you for that. And it's a brief intro.

Yeah. And I remember a certain Shepherds conference that you attended. You were you didn't know what critical racism theory is. You didn't know social justice. These were new terms for you. You were staying with Anthony and I at the at the scary Airbnb or, as I say, the Airbnb from hell.