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This is Apologetics Live with Matt Slick and Andrew Rappaport, part of the

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Christian Podcast Community. Alright, we are live.

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Apologetics Live here to answer your questions, anything that you have on the plate today.

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We do have one question that did come in already. We'll get to that in a little bit. Sorry for the delay, folks.

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Technology is what it is. Technology is a wonderful thing when it works.

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So we're starting a little bit late. Weird, weird stuff that Matt was having some issues with.

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It seems that if you use Chrome versus Internet Explorer, he was able to hear

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Everybody But Me, which Anthony Silvestro, who's here, loved that idea that everyone else could be heard but me.

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Anthony was saying before we went live, if there was a way Matt could sell that feature, he would be a multimillionaire.

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But unfortunately, he hasn't figured out what went wrong and how he did that. So I guess,

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Matt, no luck today. You're still going to be broke. Well, the only way for me to become a multimillionaire by having people silence you is to promote you so they could silence you.

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Actually, for those who weren't watching live, Matt Slick's sitting there with a cup of tea. He's moving his hands so quickly,

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I thought the tea was going to spill over. It's actually coffee, and I'm thinking on this white shirt.

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Oh, the day you had. So let's start off. I think

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I went to bed about 5 o 'clock this morning, got up at 730. And when I went to bed, you were on your way somewhere.

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Yeah, I got up at about actually 20 to 6. My wife had another back surgery. It's her third, actually technically it's her fourth back surgery she's had.

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And it was the third one within the past couple of months. I'm hearing my feedback. OK, I had to mute

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Anthony. The surgery went well and she got a little gripey, which is normal, you know, and got her something to eat and all that kind of stuff.

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And she's doing much better right now. But poor girl, you know, she's going through it.

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So thanks for all of your prayers for all the people who lift her up in prayer. She really is struggling emotionally because of it.

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It's a depressing thing to have to to deal with constant problems and stuff.

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And in fact, Andrew, you haven't seen her physically in months and months. You'll notice a significant difference when you do see her again.

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Well, I saw it in the picture. You know, the thing I said that I you sent me the picture of her in the hospital bed and I said to my wife, it's amazing.

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She's still trying to smile like you could see her smiling. And I'm like,

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I know she's in pain, but you could see she's trying. And it's like I just don't know how

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I you know, I remember reading R .C. Sproul had a book on suffering and he had some that he talked about a vocation of suffering that some people just can suffer for God's glory where others would.

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I mean, I probably would cave. I mean, I had a, you know, something strange coming back from the

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Philippines where I just had an abdominal pain and a flu. We didn't know if I got some something while I was over in the

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Philippines. And I'm like sitting there upset because I can't sleep for a couple of nights.

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And what she goes through is like, I don't know if I can do it. You know, there are a lot of people who are worse than she.

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But, you know, she's she's a good woman. And but it's a lot to bear. And I'm emotionally, mentally adjusted to just the rest of our lives.

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I'll be taking care of her. And so, you know, she can drive. And so, you know, if her normal health is here and complete invalid is here where I mean, she needed a walker to go three feet to go to the bathroom.

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And I was in constant pain and, you know, on painkillers just to get through the day.

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She's about here now. She's only elevated this much. So she's got that much to go out of, you know, that whole thing.

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So if 10 is you're doing great and one is you're basically wiped, you can't do a hard thing.

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She's about a three or four. We're hoping she get to a five. Yeah. Well, actually, you know, five minutes in and we didn't even introduce ourselves.

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That's right. All right. So I'm Andrew Rappaport from Striving for Eternity. And with us is our resident apologist here,

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Matt Slick from CARM .org. And yeah, so I guess this is just going to be an off day.

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It's been a crazy day for both of us. Little sleep for both of us. But we have

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Anthony Silvestro here, Dr. Anthony Silvestro. We'll just make him carry all the weight for us. Sound good?

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Well, there's not much that you and I can carry anyway. So he's got it made. Yeah. Make him carry that five pound bag, you know.

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All right. So actually, I did do some calculations by the way, Matt. I do have to correct the record.

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There's very few times I have things I could brag over you. And I realized there's something.

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We were talking last week about the number of times I spoke in the Philippines.

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So actually, three times on, let's see, was it

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Thursday? Three messages Thursday, two on Friday, two on Saturday, three on Sunday.

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So in four days, I did what you did on the cruise in seven. Now, if we give you, say, okay, we will not count the departure date and starting date of that.

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So we get you down to six. I still have you beat on that. Just for the record, I got 10 in four days.

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Except there's a big difference between your teaching and my teaching. Mine is good. Exactly what

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I was going to say, you read my mind. Mine's good. Hey, listen, Jason Manning gave a super chat, says,

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Jesus is Lord, praise Jesus of $2. So thank you for that, Jason. Amen. As I always try to say, the folks who give to the super chat, you could do that just by hitting that dollar sign in the chat window.

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That money goes to CARM .org. The agreement, the way we've worked out the show with CARM, we do it on CARM videos because they can monetize, and all the money goes to them for the advertising and for the super chats.

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So anything that comes in from there, that will go to CARM. If you want to help support the show,

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Striving for Eternity is actually the one who puts on the show. You can go to strivingforeternity .org slash donate.

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And that's where you could donate to Striving for Eternity if you want to do that. So with that,

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Matt, we did get a question. I know we got a bunch of folks in here.

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And we got a question that came in, and I was hoping Cody would come in here.

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But he wanted to have us address a clip from Stand to Reason.

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Stand to Reason is Greg Kokel. He was asked a question about women, really women preaching.

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And so it's a 10 -minute clip. So folks, for you to understand,

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Matt, because of his day, he could not listen to this beforehand. We're going to play the full clip so he can hear it.

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And that way he and I could respond. All right? Sounds good. So we're going to play that now. Let's see.

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Mosuri. Let's go there. To Mason from Monat, Mosuri. Wow. A lot of M's in there,

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Mason. Thank you. Well, Greg, first of all, I'm really new at your program.

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About two months ago, I discovered you, and I've been kind of eating up everything that you guys got. Oh, that's sweet. Thank you.

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No problem. So thank you for everything you guys have. Well, I did want to ask, last week you had a gentleman on your segment.

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It was probably towards the end, and you talked about women being pastors. Correct. And you had mentioned

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First Timothy 3, and that was the qualifications for overseers and beacons. Yeah. But you had also mentioned

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First Timothy 2, and you said you wouldn't go into it about what you really felt. Sure.

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Yeah, you felt like that had meant something else. But I wanted to know. What was it I meant? Yeah, you said at the time you couldn't expand on it.

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I wanted to know if you could expand on that. I'd like to get your take on that, if you don't mind. No, of course. I'd be glad to do that.

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So this is First Timothy Chapter 2. This is a passage that is frequently pressed into service to limit women's involvement in leadership roles in the church.

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And I'm just going to read it now out of the New American Standard, okay? And here is the way the relevant passage reads.

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I'm starting in verse 11, okay? Let me start in verse 9, because there's a change that you need to notice.

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He says in verse 8, I want men in every place to pray, lifting up holy hands without wrath and dissension.

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Good. Likewise, I want women, not a group, right, to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly, discreetly, not with braided hair and gold pearls, costly garments, but rather with good works.

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Okay. Verse 11. A woman. That's the way the next verse starts.

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A woman. Now he's not talking about the group. He's talking about a definite article.

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A woman. All right. Let's keep reading. A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness, but I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.

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For it was Adam who was first created, then Eve, and it was not Adam who was deceived, but Eve, blah, blah, blah.

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Okay, so there's more there, but I just want to focus on this passage, okay? Now, this is the passage that is meant to be the proof text for women not being in pastoral roles.

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Actually, sometimes they're in pastoral roles, but they're not called pastors. It seems to me it doesn't matter what they're called.

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It matters what they do. Okay. Well, it says here, well, really what's going on is it doesn't say that a woman shouldn't teach at all, but this phrase exercise authority over a man has a suggestion of usurping authority.

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So as long as the woman pastor is under a male pastor, then that makes it okay for her.

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And see, what happens is people, they look at this. They don't want to say, okay, no woman says anything in the church, because that's kind of what it says.

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I mean, at the kind of a bare reading, that's what it seems. They don't want to say that. So then they find all of these kind of little nuances that, and in my view, they got one foot on the pier and one foot in the boat, and they're rocking back and forth.

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They're going to fall into the drink. This is untenable kind of way of dealing with it. And it's not necessary because there is a very simple solution to this.

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The Greek word translated woman is gune, like G -U -N -E.

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All right. The Greek word translated man is aner, A -N -E -R.

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And that's what they are in the passage. Gune woman, aner man.

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By the way, that's not the only way to translate gune and aner. Gune is also the

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Greek word for wife. I noticed that aner is the

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Greek word for husband. Well, how do you know when it's the gune and aner, whether you translate it woman or wife or aner, you know, which way they go?

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Gune for woman or, how do you know what to do? And the answer is, it's always the context. When you look at all the other passages, and I've done this where these words appear, when it's clear that the two are not involved with each other intimately, personally, then they're translated man and woman.

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But there are a couple of exceptions, only two that I can think of. And when they're together in kind of intimate kind of situation, well, they're translated husband and wife because it seems like the context calls for that.

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This chapter is one of the exceptions. Now, I want you to think now about the language.

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I'm going to read the passage over again, because what it says of a woman is that she must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness.

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Verse 11, okay? Verse 12, remain quiet.

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Man talks with authority, not you. Are you married?

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Okay. On this reading, your wife has to be entirely submissive to me.

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She's a woman, I'm a man. She must receive my instruction with entire submissiveness on this reading of this passage.

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Whoops. That does not sound quite right, does it? In fact, on this reading, it seems to me that every woman in the body of Christ has to be responsive to his submissive to every man.

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That's ludicrous. And given the fact that this is an oner and a gune, together with the gune receiving instruction with entire submissiveness to the oner, gee, that seems to be more appropriate to translate that husband and wife.

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So it would say, I want the women to adorn themselves, the men to pray, the women to adorn themselves, but when it comes to a woman, a wife, she must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness, for I do not allow a woman to usurp the authority or exercise authority over a husband.

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But to remain quiet before Adam was created first and then Eve. It makes perfect sense.

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There's not a speed bump in the entire thing when you translate it that way. Still with me?

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Yes. Yes. Sorry. I'm just waiting, just listening. Yeah. So what this means is that this passage has nothing to do, no application at all to church leadership, as people have tried to employ it in awkward, convoluted ways.

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It's not even speaking to that. It's speaking to the relationship of a husband and a wife in terms of spiritual leadership.

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And by the way, this does not prohibit a wife from teaching her husband something, but rather that she not be the teacher.

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Okay? So, I mean, there's something in the Greek here that indicates that she can have moments of instructing about something, but she's not the teacher.

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The husband is the teacher. That's the Jewish tradition. That's the Christian New Testament tradition.

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It means no speed bumps. It's perfectly consistent. And if you want to say, well, it was

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Adam first and not Eve, that's not just Adam the first man and Eve the first woman, but it was

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Adam the first husband and Eve the first wife. So the parallel is not destroyed, if you understand it in that way.

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And by the way, the only other passage I found where the pattern of translation was not followed consistently, when

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Oner and Guni are together in clearly an interactive relationship, is in 1

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Corinthians 10, where it says that man is the head of woman and Christ is the head of man and God is the head of Christ.

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You know that passage? Yes. Well, it's the same situation there. It's Oner and Guni.

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And I don't think that Paul is teaching that every man is the head of every woman. That means your wife is under me and my wife is under you.

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I think it's saying that there's a pattern of leadership in the family and the husband is the head of the wife.

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You're accountable to Christ, who is the head of the church, and Christ is submissive to the

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Father. Okay, and again, no speed bumps there. Thank you.

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That's a really interesting take on it. I've noticed about it recently. I've got kind of a relative who's going to a church, a local church, that has a woman as a pastor.

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And so I've just been kind of questioning that. And his mindset was really, well,

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I don't really want to question her call. Oh, yeah. Don't even get me started. Question her call.

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Well, this is the very question, whether she has a call or not. The question is whether it's biblical. Now, I would not discount, if this woman is the head pastor, is she the head pastor or just part of the pastoral staff?

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She's a co -pastor. She's the one who founded it, and then she kind of brought somebody up. Then she is a de facto elder.

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Yes. Yes, and Chapter 3 says no, no, no on that. Okay, that's what

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I figured. Yeah, that's my take. That's what we talked about last week. But Chapter 2, some people would invoke that.

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I don't think it's fair to invoke that. It's not related to that. So on my view then, women cannot be head pastors or elders, because a head pastor is an elder, or even an associate pastor in an elder role, in a de facto elder role.

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But as long as she's under the leadership of the rest of the group, then she can do all kinds of functions in the church.

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I don't see any restriction at all. What about teaching men? Where does it say that a woman can't teach a man?

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Only if she can't be the teacher of her husband. That's all in Chapter 2. So I think that sometimes this is an equation where the translation has been influenced a little bit by bias, and that's why it doesn't say husband or wife.

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I've been holding this view for years. I've never heard anybody give me anything like a fair refutation, especially when

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I'm looking at the context, and it just says, you know, a woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness.

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What relationship is that in the church? Minimally, I mean, if at all, if anything, it's the marital relationship.

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But, you know, as testified by Ephesians 5 and Titus 2 and other passages, particularly

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Chapter 3, the same thing. So I think this is in that category. All right.

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So first off, before Matt responds, I want to give a quick shout out. Someone gave a $20 super chat, said,

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God bless you, Matt and Andrew, just before we got started. So sorry about that. And I think it's NavTimer1884.

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Thank you very much for the $20 donation to CARM .org. We appreciate that.

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Matt, there's a lot of things that I noticed in here, and I will say up front that I do know

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Greg Coco personally. I like him as a teacher. There are some areas he and I disagree. This is going to be one of them.

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It seems he makes a distinction, Matt, between being a head pastor versus a pastor under a male pastor.

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So it seems like he's OK with a female pastor under a man and that she can teach according to that verse.

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What say you? Well, I didn't get that out of what he said the very last segment. I was on the same thing.

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Wait a minute. Is he going to say it's OK for that? And then I think he said associate pastor.

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It's not OK for her to be associate pastor. No, he was saying that she could be an associate pastor under the head pastor, because he asked the question to the gentleman.

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We should play that again. Should we play that last minute just to verify? Because it's important.

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That's what he talked about last week. But chapter two, some people would invoke that.

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I don't think it's fair to invoke that. It's not related to that. So on my view then, women cannot be head pastors or elders, because a head pastor is an elder.

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OK, so there's the head pastor or elder. Right. And now we get the question of, is this woman a head pastor?

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An associate pastor in an elder role, in a de facto elder role. OK, get back to that, because I wanted to hear what he said the whole flow.

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Just back it up to 15 seconds. That's what he talked about last week. But chapter two, some people would invoke that.

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I don't think it's fair to invoke that. It's not related to that. So on my view then, women cannot be head pastors or elders, because a head pastor is an elder.

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Or even an associate pastor in an elder role, in a de facto elder role. But as long as she's under the leadership of the rest of the group, then she can do all kinds of functions in the church.

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I don't see any restriction at all. What about teaching men? Where does it say that a woman can't teach a man?

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Only if she can't be the teacher of her husband. That's all in chapter two. So I think that sometimes this is an occasion where...

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OK. Yeah, so he did say what I thought, but he's contradicting himself.

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And, you know, being a radio guy myself, I understand. We can certainly say things and then you'll read it later, listen to it later.

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You go, I should have said it better. And, you know, that's fine. I've talked to Greg Koch on the radio before, too.

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He was a great guy. But he did say women cannot be head pastors or elders.

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And he said cannot be the associate pastor. Or he said, or even an associate pastor in an elder role.

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Yeah. So he's saying no head pastor, no associate pastor.

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And he says in an elder role. That's really interesting because by definition, any pastor is an elder.

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So he's saying, you know, if you're an elder and you're a pastor and you're an elder and you're an elder and you're an elder and you're an elder and you're an elder and you're an elder and you're an elder and you're an elder and you're an elder and you're an elder and you're an elder and you're an elder and you're an elder and you're

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So as far as that whole exegesis of that, I don't really have a problem with that. That whole exegesis that it's just about a woman and a man or husband and a wife.

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I mean, I could leave that alone and say, fine, that wouldn't have any bearing on the issue of whether or not women could be pastors and elders because Titus chapter one, first Timothy three, clearly negates it.

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Hold on a second. It said in chapter three of Timothy, that would negate it because of the fact that you can't be husband and one wife.

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If you're a woman, although nowadays, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Games with the words. It was saying this family member of the caller was, had a founding pastor who was a woman and it sounded like he was saying it was okay in that case because there was a man over her.

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I didn't quite get that, but that's something we got to ask if he does say that it's okay. I don't think he did, but if he did say or intend to say that it was okay, if she was under another pastor, then he's wrong.

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I don't think he was saying that, but let me go through my notes a little bit. Now, let me say this.

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There's one thing I picked up on. He was saying there's a definite article because he was saying when he read through it,

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I desire that in every place, the man, and he said, that's a definite article. Then he kept going through and he kept referring to in verse 12, a woman.

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He was saying that was a definite article. So as he went through, he was talking about the definite articles and they aren't actually definite articles in the

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Greek. They might seem that way in English. The only definite articles that we have in this pericope and a pericope is just a section of scripture.

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Verse eight, when it says the man should pray, man is a definite article there.

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The only other definite articles in verse 14, where it says an

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Adam was not deceived, but the woman, the word woman there is a definite article.

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Sorry, but we got it a little bit. The definite article in Greek is the word the.

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That's just, that's all it is. The definite articles, the word the. Yeah. This is a, and there is no indefinite article.

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I noticed what he said because he said he said a woman, a woman is a, where's my notes?

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A definite, a woman, he said is a definite article. That's not correct. It would be the indefinite article, but there is no indefinite article in Greek.

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We have the word, like I went to a store today. A is the indefinite article in English.

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I went to the store today. The is the, is the definite article. A is the indefinite article.

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V is the definite article. Greek only has the definite article, the word the, which has 24 different forms.

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And then the nouns have to match the definite articles. But he was, he was grammatically incorrect in what he said there.

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Yeah. I think that sometimes in English we add the words and that may be what he was, because he was writing in English.

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And then, you know, it's just, he wasn't precise, but you know, whatever. So while he was talking, because you and I both have logos, we know how great logos is.

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So I went in and looked up the word on there, which is a husband and, or man and Strong's number 435, that occurs 216 times in the new

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Testament, 52 times it's rendered in the English as husband, 141 times it's rendered as man.

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And there's a few other different, different translations of other topics, but by far it's at almost three, three to one man to husband.

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But that doesn't prove anything. It's just showing that the majority English translation is not husband, but a man and he's right context determines the meaning.

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So I also had time to go look at Gune, which is a

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Strong's number. What was it? I got it. Whatever Strong's number one, one, three, five. And it occurs 216 times.

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What? According. Well, wait a minute.

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Don't tell me. I'm going to check something out 216 times. That's the word Gune 216.

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According to what I see. And then you're looking at NASB. Yeah. Yeah. I just do the

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SB and then I'm gonna go back and look at this on the, cause that's 216. Maybe I just took my numbers in wrong, but 435, no way.

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It's also 216 times in this.

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Interesting. Hey, you've never had that happen before. So it threw me for a loop. How could they get numbers wrong?

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How about that? So that means coincidences. I like coincidences.

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They prove evolution is true. So anyway, it's wives 81 times men or women 127 times.

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So anyway, they mean what they mean in context. But here's, here's some ramifications of the idea.

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Let's just, I think, you know, I think what he's exegetic is, is within orthodoxy.

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I wouldn't, if I was debating him, I wouldn't say, no, I totally disagree. I'd go, yeah, that makes some sense. It does.

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However, let's look at something. Okay. I do not want a woman or a wife to teach her husband.

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Or exercise authority of him over him, but remain quiet for first husband.

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Adam was, was, he was first created and then the wife Eve was created. That's a loose translation.

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All right. So the woman, the wife is not to teach or exercise authority over the man or the, over the husband.

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Now, some women have said to me in defense of women, pastors and elders, that this passage is talking about husband and wives.

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And so I thought he might be going a different direction with this, but I don't have a problem with what he said. I mean, necessarily agree with it a hundred percent, but you know, it's not,

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I wouldn't debate him on it. It's not that big a deal. We could discuss probabilities and some things because he's right.

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It's actually tied to chapter one, first Timothy chapter three, first Timothy five 17. That really put this whole issue to rest.

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But since he says this in first Timothy two 12 and first Timothy three 15 says that Paul says he's given instruction on how to behave in the household of God, which is a church, the pillar of foundation of truth.

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He's talking ecclesiastically. He's saying he's giving instruction to the church. Now the church of course could be the proper building, but it could also be the body of believers.

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So no problem either way we can go that. And there's some discussions either way. It'd be fun. So when

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I've talked to the two women about this, who believe in women, pastors and elders, they will, they'll sometimes say, well, a woman, a wife can't teach her husband, but she can be a pastor because this is about husband and wives, not about pastors and stuff.

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And I go, okay, let's work with that. So a woman is not to teach her husband, excuse me, a wife is not to teach her husband and she gets up to preach in the church.

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Sorry, he can't attend. Right. Yeah. He couldn't, it'd be a problem.

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And so that, that exegesis what

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I was doing with it. And from my perspective here to demonstrate that that position is ridiculous does not challenge, nor does it need to be challenged by what

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Greg Coco said. I think what Greg Coco said is, is, is fine. But I do believe that it says a woman and a man, it could be understood in different senses.

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It doesn't have to be husband and wife because it doesn't necessarily mean husband and wife with Adam and Eve, because he didn't say husband and wife.

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He didn't say that. I didn't say it was marriage, but he talked about the created order. It's a created thing that God has.

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And where the woman is not to be an authority over a man. And we know if it's at least in the, in the marriage context, well, we go back and we look at what

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Paul was talking about in the context. You'll notice that in Genesis three, Satan came to Eve, not to the husband.

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Why? Because the authority was that Adam had the authority. The system was, the setup was that Adam had authority over his wife, period.

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And the reason we know that is because he named the animals and he named her. It's a symbol of authority that he had.

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He named her and Satan usurped or went around the goalposts, so to speak, and went to her.

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And then she went to the husband. So we could make the case from looking at the old

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Testament that this is not just an issue of husband and wife, but an issue of authority flat out period, because that's how it's supposed to be.

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But then there's strengths and weaknesses with that as well. So on this, I'm saying that this is not as easy to wade through his position.

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I don't have any, I wouldn't say it's false. Yeah. So grammatically it's, it's plausible.

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Yeah. But looking at the context, and I think you brought up one of the things I noted was the issue, the argument

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Paul is making of this command, this prohibition is dealing with creation.

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He's not giving the Adam and Eve as a symbol of husband and wife because it's dealing with creation order.

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Then the next verse deals with the sin order. So it has to do back in creation where this is the way

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God ordered things with Adam, then Eve, and the sin was Eve, then

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Adam. Those are, that's the reason for this instruction. So I guess it was, as we worked through this, when we look at this and he gives the instruction and then in verse 13, four, that's a purpose clause.

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So the instruction in verse 12, but I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over men, but to remain quiet.

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The reason for that goes back to creation. Adam formed before Eve, not just general husband, general wife, but Adam and Eve in creation.

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Then Eve sinned. It's actually the woman sinned and then, you know, was deceived.

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So it goes back, both those points go back to creation. And I think the thing that where I see the difficulty with the argument being made there is just because as we look at the verse, the purpose statement doesn't support a husband and wife.

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Because he would be saying that a wife must, you know, must be quiet, receive instruction submissively.

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And a wife must not teach or have exercise authority over her husband, but remain quiet because of creation.

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Well, if that's true, actually, I think this would end up having a reverse effect because if that's true, just by nature of husband and wife, not church roles, then realistically, yeah, a woman shouldn't be able to speak to a man because that would end up putting it where this is a creation issue.

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You know, I don't, I actually don't think the context supports the argument that he's making.

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I think we agree that first Timothy three, Titus makes it very clear. Women can't be pastors.

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It doesn't matter if they're good teachers. It's just, this is what God has ordained.

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And the reason, as we said, and you've talked about this a lot on this show and on your radio show, the issue of federal headship.

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That's what we see in this. I think the purpose clause that we see here is that Adam was formed first as the federal head.

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Then Eve, Eve rebelled against that being deceived first. And that's, that's what

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I think is, is the issue. It's federal headship here. At the very least, there's a lot of different directions that we could take on this.

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Overall, this would be nice to Greg. I don't see any, I don't see any exegetical problem with it.

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I think it's within the range of acceptance, but I think there's more to it. Yeah. And I mean, for folks who may not know who

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Greg Cocoa is from Stan to reason, I, I, I thoroughly enjoy his ministry. I, I've spoken at conferences with him.

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I get along with him very well. The, he does not, he's not a person who comes to a radio.

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And without a thoughtful answer, even if though he's being asked questions live on the radio, he is a very thoughtful speaker.

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So he doesn't just give kind of off the cuff answers without thinking through. And if he doesn't, if he's not ready to give an answer, he says so.

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So I think he's thought through this. He, as he said, he's, this has been his, his position for a long time.

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He just hasn't seen anything that is convincing otherwise. That's okay.

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So that's a Cody Robbins had asked about that. So that was just, we want to make sure we got that in for him, even though he's not in here, he did send that in.

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Well, just make a comment here. We had an interesting caller on the radio today about this topic.

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Yeah, that must be because everybody in the chat is asking if the lady from the radio station is,

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I guess, Sarah was her name. No, it was something else, but at any rate,

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I don't think it was Sarah. Yeah. People were pointing it out in the chat quite a bit.

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Yeah. She, I spent a half hour with her probably or 25 minutes, 20 ish. I don't know, but for quite a bit, because I wanted people to see bad exegesis and this is what actually happened.

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You didn't hear the show. So she called up and she took on bridge with something I said, she said, a friend of hers said that I said, if you go to a church with a woman, pastor and elder, you should just leave.

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She, and I said, yep, that's right. And why would you say that? And we get into some stuff. She proceeded to try and defend the idea of women being pastors and elders.

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And one of the reasons was because, Hey, there's neither male nor female in Christ. And I said, well, that has nothing to do with the pastoral epistles as to the salvation.

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I went to first Timothy two, 12, and we went over that issue. Okay. Did not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over men, but remain silent for Adam was first created.

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And so that's the authority issue right there. See it's, it's the authority issue. She's not to have authority over men. And Paul says in the next chapter, he's, he's talking to church context.

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So this is not to happen. So right there, she can't be an elder. I went to a Titus chapter one.

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I went to first Timothy three with a Greek says, a man of one woman. And I said to her, so can you be a man?

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Cause she said she was an elder at a church. I said, can you be a man of one woman? And as an elder is supposed to be, and she said,

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I can be a wife of one husband. And I said, can you be an

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L a man of one woman? And she said, well, I could be a wife of one husband. She wouldn't answer the question.

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And then it just digressed from there. And she started saying that Paul was wrong about some things. She disagreed with Paul.

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He was just a man like us. That's all he was. That's how bad it went. So it was quite a good conversation.

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I said, she's a heretic. I called her a heretic. For those who are watching. She really wouldn't like this that I put up from reformation pages, made a meme of me while I was down in the

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Philippines with a quote. She really would be unhappy with this. I had said in answer to a question, if you go to a church with a woman pastor, she's not a pastor and it's not a church.

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I don't think she'd be happy with me. No. But somebody else called up and said, well, does it mean they're not saved?

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And no, it doesn't mean they're not saved. They just don't know. And then she started saying, that reminds me, she started saying, well, men are doing their jobs.

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You got that right. I agree. That's right. And so I did a little, little spiffy thing about men, get off your lazy rears.

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And if you're going to a church or the woman's a pastor, you take your family. If you're married to your family, say, nope, we're leaving.

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And if your wife doesn't want to make any more sandwiches, I said, so what?

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I had to keep it kind of low. But I started talking. Men, act like men.

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Do what you got to do. Stand up for the truth. Stop following your wife around and saying what she says.

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Read the word of God. Do what the word of God says. And if she doesn't like it, then so be it.

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Who cares? She deprives you of stuff. Okay. Then fine.

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You stand on the word of God. That's what you got to do. Act like men. 1 Corinthians 16, 13. We need to have a conference called the 1

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Corinthians 16, 13 conference. And I want to talk.

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Oh, man. Oh, man. I wish Matt would say what he really believes. All right.

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So let me real quick. I was going to ask Dr. Silvestro if he has anything he wants to pipe in on this, but before we do,

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NavTimer 1848. Or sorry, 1884. Got that. I gave a $10 super chat there.

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I invited him to come in, but I guess this is his way of getting a question asked. Give, give a donation to Carmen.

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You get your question asked. So gents, I have no issue with interracial marriage.

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Moses's wife was Ethiopian, but how do we reconcile that with Deuteronomy 7, three and four, which seems to forbid it.

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Is God talking about inner religion or inner race? So let me, before we answer that question, let me stay on this one topic.

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Just let Dr. Silvestro get a word in. If he has anything to say, then we'll ask that. And then

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Andre is next up. I can't even believe that that's an issue.

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I, I, I thought when you first told me this, Andrew, it was going to be regarding women, open air preaching. To which

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I have a whole bunch of stuff to say too. But I guess we'll save that for a different day. Well, you and you and Matt might, might disagree on that.

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I think you guys are going to be on opposite ends. I'm going to be in the middle. But what do you, what do you, any, any comments you have on the, on the first Timothy three?

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No, I think you guys nailed it. All right. So then Matt, before we get to Andre, let's get to this question about interracial marriage and Deuteronomy seven.

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I will in deference to Matt, I will read Deuteronomy seven, three, and four out of the, you know,

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NIV or sorry, the, the new American standards. Same, same thing. Same thing. Put your right hand in front of your face.

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Well, I wasn't going to use the electric, you know, God. I mean, you'd prefer the new

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Armenian standard Bible. That's okay. No, the NIV is called the nearly inspired version.

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Hey, I laugh at that kind of stuff. You did that. That funny meme today about the anti -pedo

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Baptist. I'm a pedo Baptist. It was a funny meme of anti -pedo Baptist. I was laughing. I got it. I can take a joke.

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You get two. It's all good. Originally originated from car. Uh, uh, was it

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Nathan or somebody? Yeah. Cameron's wife or something like that. Okay. So anyway, so here's what

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Deuteronomy seven says. Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them. You shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons for they, uh, for they will turn your sons away from following me.

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To serve other gods. And then the anger of the Lord will be kindled against you and he will quickly destroy you.

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So is this a inner religion or inner race? Um, the

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Cushite is an Ethiopian and in numbers 12, that's where Moses married a Cushite woman. And then

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Miriam and Aaron were upset about that. And, um, God, you know, God defended, uh, stuff and, uh, made him, made him white, which is interesting, made her white and not him.

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Why it's as a trivia thing. Why did, did Miriam get cursed, but not

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Aaron though? Both of them were the, or guilty of murmuring. The answer is what if, what if they were white to start?

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Oh, there we go. That's why you couldn't turn white. Well, they're white because it's leprosy.

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Now the BHI people should say whiteness and leprosy are the same thing. And it's like we're cursed because we're leprous.

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I'm sure you probably have. Anyway, uh, Aaron was a high priest. He had to be ceremony clean to offer the sacrifice.

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So it looks like what was at issue here is not a race because there's only one race, the human race, and we have different colors of skin.

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That's it. That's how it works. And so when it's talking to Deuteronomy 7, it's talking about going after false gods and pagans and a paganism.

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And it says here, if you notice, it says in verse one, uh, uh, clear the way of the many nations before you, the

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Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hittites, the

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Jebusites and the Gesundheit. And, uh, they were all in there. The Gesundheit incidentally got wiped out because they could never sneak up on anybody.

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It was pretty bad. It was pretty bad. It was pretty bad. I actually use that on it from a pulpit once.

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And people would just say, cause all this it's in there. No one wants you at their pulpit.

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Well, it was funny. You know, they got a kick out of it, but we kept going, you know, the Gesundheit no one could ever, you know, they couldn't sneak up on anybody where the

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Gesundheit are coming. I like what Don is saying in chat, bad, bad dad jokes. Well, he just said dad jokes, but Jason Manning is saying the same thing.

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That's a dad joke. That's a bad dad joke. So at any rate, it looks like, I haven't checked for verification, but I think the issue would be that the

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Cushite woman was probably a believer in a true living God and he married.

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That would be what I would check because there are a lot of Ethiopians who are true believers and have Jewish heritage. So that's it.

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I would check to see if that's it. And if it wasn't the case, then I'd have to go down and check it out some more and see what was going on.

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Yeah. Now I would end up saying, I mean, this is actually similar to the last passage we dealt with. Verse four starts with a conjunction four.

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That's is actually like a purpose clause here. So he's giving an instruction, do not intermarry with them.

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That's the instruction. Why? Well, he gives us the reason, which tells us the reason that this instruction is given.

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They will turn your sons away from me. Keep in mind, this is

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Deuteronomy. This is the end of the 40 year period. Let's at the historical context, Israel, they went 40 years in the wilderness.

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During that time, you have numbers 22, 23, 24, and 25. If you read those passages, those chapters, you're going to see that Balak was paid to curse

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Israel. He was a prophet for God. He wouldn't actually curse Israel because God didn't curse them.

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So what he did was instructed Balak, how to get God to curse Israel since God wouldn't allow

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Balaam to do it. What he did was say, have your daughters marry their husbands. They will then basically be violating what

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God had said, and God will end up cursing them. And that's, that was what Balaam's idea was.

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That's what ended up happening. So this is an instruction going back to numbers 22 to 25. And the reason given tells us why, that this has nothing to do with race.

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It has to do with driving the hearts of the people away from God.

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That's the reason given. So in looking at the purpose clause, we end up seeing,

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I think, what the real issue is. The issue is not the race, but it is the religion.

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It is that their hearts would be turned away. Right. Now, if we're going to take a New Testament look at this, we would see in Corinthians where he says, you can't have partnership light with darkness for the same reason.

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You can't be unequally yoked because the hearts will be driven away from God. So this is a consistent thing,

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Old and New Testament, a pattern that we see, that God wants us being married to people that are equally yoked in faith.

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And so that would be the thing. And I'll say this, and I'm going to trigger Dr. Silvestro, and he's going to jump in after this one.

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There is only one race. There's only one race called the human race.

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If you want to look at races in the Bible, the only race that the Bible talks about is the unsaved race and the saved race.

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We probably triggered Dr. Silvestro. You know, what's really triggered me, actually, is

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I've got to give a sermon at an apologetics conference in August on the social justice movement.

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And so I've been studying this out a lot lately. And yeah, so talk about being triggered is this whole issue of the racism that is being brought back in into society.

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You know, a lot of it from Obama and people like him have done this and having to go back to the

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Bible in a correct understanding of race. So, you know, it sickens me to see the church where we're supposed to be teaching properly, teaching creation properly, teaching one race properly, all from Adam and Eve, and then seeing it be undone by the social justice movement, among many other things, obviously.

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You know, the whole, you know, gospel being changed, repentance being changed is even worse.

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Well, I know, Matt, you probably did not know what happened with the SBC today, and Dr.

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Silvestro might. I do. You do. I figured you would. But yeah, today the

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Southern Baptist Convention met and decided that they think that intersectionality is a good way of determining things for, you know, churches and stuff like that.

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What is? What is a good way? Intersectionality. Inter -what? So this is the idea.

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I don't understand the word. So this is the idea that the more...

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Hold on a second. Matt, you are low man on the totem pole. That's what it means.

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Yeah. Okay, I'm more confused now. Someone type the word out so I can understand the word.

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Yeah, I think it just got typed out there. Yeah, John typed it out. So what this is, intersectionality is the idea that if I'm black,

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I'm a victim. But if I'm a black woman, I have two counts for me because I have two victim statuses.

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If I'm a black woman lesbian, I have three, you know. So it's...

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What? Yeah, so... No, I'm not... I am... I'm sorry. I'm not following you guys.

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I just... This is a new word for me. And I'm looking it up as we're talking. Intersectionality.

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Matt is go ballistic when he figures this out. Oh, yeah, I can tell. The interconnected nature of social categorizations, such as race, class, and gender, as they apply to a given individual or group, regarding as creating overlapping and interdependent systems of discrimination or disadvantage.

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So it's the interconnectedness of disadvantage. Advantage or disadvantage. Okay. Supposed disadvantage or...

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Actually, the better word would be oppression. So the more points you have, the more oppressed you are by society.

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So if you're a black woman lesbian, you're more oppressed. Than somebody who's just a black woman.

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How do you... What about a white male Christian? He's way down. That's why you said at the bottom of the...

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Now I got you. Bottom, yeah. You have zero points. You're not going to... Oh, so...

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Oh, wait. I'm not oppressed. Well, no. From their perspective,

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I'm an oppressor. You're the evil one. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. So that's... Okay. So the SBC said what?

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They're going to use that as, I guess, when it comes to looking at churches, defining churches, looking at new churches, they're going to look at...

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They're going to start accepting that as part of their criteria. I didn't get a chance to read the full document.

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I did talk to Tom Buck, who actually stood on the floor at the SBC and tried responding to it, but he said they basically said, go pound sand.

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Okay. This is new. I got to learn about this, and you guys are way ahead of me on this one.

53:46

This is the whole social justice issue. If you remember a while ago, we had that statement in social justice and gospel.

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We had that guy, and you spent, what, 20 minutes. I think it was our very first episode. You spent 20 minutes trying to get him to define it.

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Matt, how high is your IQ thereabouts? I don't know. I've had different tests, 140s.

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I don't know. I mean, so let's say 140. What you have to do is you have to take an

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NAR view of the kinetic theory, and you have to set aside about 80 IQ points to be able to...

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Well, then you've got to start talking to Andrew. Yeah. That's about how you start to understand this.

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Oh, that's why he got it so quickly. I can't do that. That makes sense now.

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Okay. In all seriousness, Matt, this makes no sense.

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It is utterly ridiculous. But the whole understanding is, let's say, outside of the church first, right?

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There's this idea that the white man has been the one who has been suppressing everybody else from being able to rise up and get the better jobs to make more money because they believe that there's a whole system that's in place that they have been oppressed in.

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Okay? Now, look, don't get me wrong. You know,

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I got a comment. Yeah. I'm still in debt from seminary and college from the 80s and 90s.

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I work 60, 70 -hour weeks. I have stress and strain on me, and I work my tail off to get where I'm at.

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I haven't oppressed anybody. I have been oppressed left and right. So what's this oppressive crap?

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Seriously. Hi. My one experience doesn't mean anything. I mean,

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I used to work out at a gym, martial arts. We had a black guy in there.

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He came over, and he and my daughter would go do things together. I wasn't oppressing him.

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He got jobs. He had to go get his own job. He had to work like anybody else. The easiest way for you to understand.

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He's whining his little diaper in pieces of crap. The easiest way to understand is it's a political system to bring about socialism.

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That's really. That's what it is. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Reconstructionism. And in the church, it's replacing the gospel.

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That's the real concern. Pieces. All right.

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My spiritual Tourette's is on the verge of kicking in. I'll be helping with this.

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So they want to push me over the edge for the entertainment. You want to rate churches based on overall oppression.

56:45

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Rate churches on their oppressive quality. Based on what?

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How many white people are in there, how affluent they are, how hard they work, what their

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IQs are, how they have really worked hard. You know what, Anthony, you're well off because you're a dentist and you sold your practice.

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You are automatically an oppressor. Yeah, I'm actually, oh, you owe people that you, yeah, that's right.

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I know it's, it's, it's incredible. Yeah. Yeah. So here's the thing,

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Anthony, explain that again, because the look on Matt's face when his spiritual Tourette's kicks in is great.

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So we'll keep him on camera. So they're going to rate churches based on the whiteness of the church, because that's going to be a symbol of the amount of oppression that is occurring in churches in general, but especially specific churches.

57:46

Okay. Okay. So let's get this straight then. If you're white, you're not right.

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White males, because white females to get, you know, okay, so white males are, what was it?

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What was it? I got called. I'm a, I'm a child of the devil. What was it?

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Oh yeah. You're a white devil, white men, white men are white devils.

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Okay. So women then are what? White women are what? Well, they get a point.

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They get a point from the woman. Well, they're not white devils. They had to be something a little bit better than a devil. What? Just demons?

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Maybe just a demon. Yeah. I don't know. White women are demons or semi -demi, semi -demons.

58:36

This is going to set Matt off for like next week. He's going to come up with, next week he'll have a whole structure for intersectionality.

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Well, now let me tell you what I'm waiting for. And folks, you have all heard this first on, on Apologetics Live.

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Now how can it be if you are a, what if you are a black straight male?

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So you get a point versus a white straight female should also be a point.

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Now, do we think that maybe one of them, the point's going to be worth a little bit more than the other one at some point?

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Well, it depends. It depends. If it's an issue of sex, then the woman wins. Yeah. See, this is where the confusion is going to come into play, right?

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They're going to have to break this down further. It's not going to be so simple as just making Venn diagrams and determining how many of their oppressions intersect, right?

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And the number of points they get off of it. And what do you do at some point, John is bringing up or abortion.

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What do you do with abortion? When you think about it, they say that men are supposed to stay out of the decision making on abortion because we're men, but wasn't it men that legalized it?

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I guess that should mean if men have to stay out of that issue, abortion should be made immediately illegal until women voted in.

01:00:08

Oh, all right. Well, poor Andre has been waiting here. I opened up a landmine on this.

01:00:17

Oh, yeah. Is it really a point system? Yes. Yes, Matt. There's actually a...

01:00:23

I need to find this. I'm serious. I need to find it. Yeah. You can find the Venn diagrams everywhere. But here's the problem.

01:00:29

Is this... Venn? Spell Venn as in Venn. Venn, diagram on what would be the thing

01:00:36

I'd look for. Intersectionality. Okay, gotcha. Yeah. And so you'll find... And there's all kinds...

01:00:42

If you go to just Google Images, there's boatloads of Google Images. Where have I been?

01:00:48

Some have five circles. Some have seven circles. Oh, I'm looking at it. Yeah. There's lots of fun things in there.

01:00:59

Mike, I have a question. Yeah. how stupid can people get?

01:01:06

I know I'm telling you that's why I said you got to set aside about half your

01:01:11

IQ to try to start to understand this stuff because it really is is mind -boggling well and Matt social reconstruction is

01:01:19

I'm gonna draw of social socialism as a cue go ahead I'm dropping in the chat both on YouTube and here the there's a statement that several of us were involved in putting together the statement of social justice in the gospel it's at statement on socialjustice .com

01:01:36

you can go there and look at actually let me see how many signers now

01:01:42

I'm uh I was one of the early on so that down 11 ,000 but it goes through and says what we what we agree with and what we disagree with basically point -by -point through this whole thing.

01:01:55

The only problem though with the Dallas statement I like it I don't know if it clearly talks about why you guys have done certain points.

01:02:05

Well the issue is is that the plan was and and is happening is when you go to there and you look under resources each one of those articles will have a if not yet the plan is to every article will have a blog article or more for each one explaining in greater depth so you know you should go back to there and look under resources because I know several of the initial signers were writing up some documents for that.

01:02:39

Yeah well that's good that's gonna be necessary going forward. You know it's part of this apologetics conference

01:02:46

I'm gonna be speaking at I obviously we're gonna be giving a copy of the Dallas statement to everybody but unless the links are up there by by then

01:02:55

I'm gonna have to explain why each of these points was necessary to put in there. I'm looking right now there's a there's like three pages of different articles.

01:03:08

James White, Tom Askell, Daryl Harrison, Tom Buck, Josh Bice have all written different articles.

01:03:17

Phil Johnson. Yeah I've seen several of Josh's.

01:03:24

Justin Peters has a couple articles out there. I'll have to read through them and see how much they address.

01:03:31

This is such a it's such a new thing right this really popped up big after the

01:03:36

MLK thing last year so we're only a year into this right now and there seem there seems to be a lot of a lot of stuff being written about and they're still figuring out a lot of this critical race theory stuff so you know

01:03:54

I don't know if this is gonna continue to be this amorphous movement as time goes on or if it's gonna get a little bit more targeted.

01:04:02

I think it's gonna be the end of the SBC. I think they're gonna split over it and they'll make

01:04:08

Beth Moore the president. Yeah well look they may they may have to.

01:04:15

It's ridiculous when it comes down to the gospel issues so Matt I don't know how much again you you understand about all this but you know what it's come down to is there has been suggestions that because we are white males and so again it's really this is as Andrew said it's about Marxism it's about redistribution of wealth overall and so every every point within this critical race theory really points back to that issue.

01:04:48

Now some of the things that Tabeti has said and other guys has been our people are responsible for slavery back in the day even though you know my ancestors were from Italy like 40 years ago but whatever so we're responsible for that and that we we have to repent over other people's sins right

01:05:19

I know it's kind of odd right so we have to repent for other people's sins and that repentance isn't effectual until we have given some sort of reparation payments for that for that repentance to to work.

01:05:34

You know I could just see the the communist branch of the Russian government which is still in effect just sitting in a room rubbing their hands you know right wringing their hands going man this is working so well in America.

01:05:48

Oh well yeah hey look it's this has been in the works for over a hundred years now in America so what we've seen though in the just the last couple of years it's really been steamrolling now going downhill fast.

01:06:02

Well we're gonna stand up and start fighting against it but this is it's a sheer idiocy it is this kind of stuff will be the destruction of the

01:06:11

United States. It will but the the issue is this the way we fight it is with the gospel mm -hmm the real gospel the real gospel yeah not just not fight we have to make up the wrongs of previous generations.

01:06:26

We fight with the gospel we also fight with laws with lawsuits with protests we fight with by getting out socially they need to hear the gospel but Jesus said when he sent the disciples out into the world he said do you have a sword and they said no we have two cloaks he said sell a cloak and buy a sword we have the right of self -defense

01:06:49

Paul in Acts 17 appealed to Caesar he had and he used his citizenship as a

01:06:55

Roman citizen in order to go to Rome and use the law to the advantage of what he had we ought to be doing this the same thing

01:07:05

I keep telling people over the radio saying it for years if the Christians don't get off their stinking lazy little rears and we start uniting and start fighting against this oppressive lie from the enemy which ultimately is to destroy

01:07:22

Christianity to silence Christians from speaking that's ultimately the goal but the weapons that we use first of all it's gonna be prayer we need that gospel right at the tip of our tongue to be able to give to people they need that regenerative work but for the unbelievers that's who the law is for there's a verse for that I forget where it is memorized the law is for the ungodly and so we need to have that our laws that are already in the books enforced and we need to get out there and get more laws passed to enforce righteousness we need to have this done and the

01:08:00

Christians are gonna stop being manby -pamby little groups of whiners in fact I'm gonna tell you this little story this is this it fits it doesn't fit but I'm gonna say it anyway

01:08:09

I was talking to Chad Prigmore we get him on he could tell us more the details so this is secondhand but he said that because he's going to Africa Chad Prigmore's a local pastor here

01:08:19

Andrew knows him so excuse me so Chad we had lunch a couple three days ago and he was telling me about this guy he knows who arranges trips for mission works to Africa he's very connected and years ago get this a bunch of pastors were approached to go to Africa to preach and teach from America to Africa and they would not go unless they could travel in first -class airline seats and get five -star hotels and then they'd only speak to large groups they wouldn't go to the outskirts outside of town well this guy arranged all this he was really disgusted with them for that but he arranged it and finally got a group as a small group of these pastors to go because they apparently that was what they had and that's what they got why because a positive confession we're supposed to name and claim it but the

01:09:19

Lord supposed to give us money and all this stuff we could sit back in our laurels etc etc at any rate so he got this small group of pastors within that group to go to an outskirts of a town in order to preach the gospel one of the pastors met a woman there and brought her back to his hotel room and this guy said

01:09:38

I'm done with these people now this is the kind of Christianity that's being presented in a large parts of the world

01:09:45

I know a guy there's other issues get into about these positive confession people who go in and rape and pillage the spiritual landscape and take money from the poor and then they leave they come back the

01:09:55

United States in their private jets the Christians are being taught from these idiots from these morons and because of that the

01:10:03

Christians who are supporting them or help are partly responsible for the lies that are being disseminated not only in the old their own pulpits but also in other parts of the world the

01:10:13

Christians have got to get off their lazy rears we need a Christian man conference now

01:10:18

CMC Christian man conference and if you're a woman you can make sandwiches for us that'll just really make him happy we know man conference what's that can they do that while they preach and because and the reason is you know if the women want to help they can help but they you know it's for a man conference we need to start getting man this elevated it doesn't matter what race you are what color skin color who cares follow what

01:10:48

Jesus Christ was as the example and you know what he did he overturned the temple tables he said you're your father the devil you're whitewashed supplicant you're a hypocrite and you spend time with the children to spend time with the women and in a godly way he with his authority that he had as God in flesh he forgave sins he healed people he performed miracles he taught and he died and and he corrected he rebuked and this is what we're supposed to be doing as men and on the radio today

01:11:14

I got talking about this and I said men you should stand up in your churches and say no don't accept this anymore and walk out with your families while the woman pastor is up there women elders up there and just do it who cares what people think and it's kind of this kind of thing that social justice is able to take root because it's a weed and it's a weed if it was built if we had the solid rock such weeds can't take root but we don't have solid rock we've got a mamby -pamby system of weak theology weak understanding weak men overly weak women in their roles what are supposed to be doing to the men are really the ones to blame and they're and as a whole are not being taught what needs to be taught and the whip the men are not teach what they need to be teaching the pastors aren't doing their job overall in America we've got this crap going forth and it shouldn't be like that you know

01:12:06

I do my radio show on 14 or 16 stations I been doing radio for 14 years five days a week we barely can make the bills and it's only because we've got a great deal from the radio station for the network and I mean a great deal and the network head has been told has told me on more than one occasion that their people have said get rid of me for a couple of reasons one is hey look what

01:12:34

I say the other one is we can get money better people in there to pay more money pay real money for with that time and he says no he wants a truth being taught now praise

01:12:46

God for that that's only reason I'm on the radio right now but look at this why is it that I have to struggle so much to get money and funds even to pave the little but amount that we had to pay to get the radio on an incredibly great deal why because Christians aren't interested in stuff like that they're interested in getting their bank accounts increased their health increased their well -being it's what's called

01:13:12

Narcissus Narcissus taking the Bible using the scriptures to teach and preach about themselves what they themselves can get now

01:13:19

God so loved the world that he gave John 3 16 the nature of love is to give John 15 13 greater love has this than no man that he lay his life down for his friend the very nature of true love is sacrificial

01:13:30

God is love for John 4 8 we're supposed to love God and love our neighbor those are two greatest commands by which will fulfill all the law now if that's the case how is it then that those people who are supposed to be true

01:13:44

Christians who are loving God and loving their neighbor are then saying I need to have what I need I need to have everything that I need to have instead of the focus being other centered now

01:13:54

I'm not saying don't have a retirement nothing don't have a job and insurance not saying that it should be that we should have an other centeredness in our theological perspective not the idea is the positive confession more on wacko but head heretics are teaching to the people and and speaking in tongues all at once and another person interprets and then they get this don't touch

01:14:16

God's anointed and throw your money up here on the stage and I need my third private jet says Kenneth Copeland who'd also taught

01:14:22

Jesus appeared to him and never claimed to be God and God came from another planet or there's a mother planet you know thanks for spinning him up Anthony but this would need to happen

01:14:35

I know what Christians can do I mean I know what Christians could do you know Anthony and you guys know what you can do the

01:14:44

Gospels powerful if you look in the New Testament you can see what happened the world was turned upside down with the gospel of Jesus Christ because people stood on what he said they were for a prayer they preached his word they didn't back down they if they had to go to jail they went to jail they did what they had to do because this is what

01:15:05

God said now you're right it's you know the the American gospel video get get the video great

01:15:15

American gospel but the American gospel has been so watered down that it doesn't make it doesn't it's meaningless nowadays so all right so Andre I want to I want to get

01:15:28

Andre and he doesn't have a lot of time left to get to his question he's been waiting as Matt's been spun up so Andre you've been added in if you want to unmute yourself let's see if I can unmute you or do to do to do there we go let's see does that work barely can hear you let me turn you up as much as I can get really close to the mic a little bit better so what's your question for us

01:16:08

Andre okay well let me start off by saying this

01:16:14

I heard a debate between James White and Roger Perkins and James White said regarding Hebrews 10 verse 5 when he was trying to justify a pre -incarnate

01:16:25

God the Son and he is quoted saying the one who took the body said you have prepared a body for me and that's at 27 minutes and 22 so that sparked my interest and I found

01:16:38

Spurgeon in low I come 1891 I found John MacArthur in 1970 why was

01:16:44

Jesus born John Gill in his commentary on Hebrews 10 5 and also John Nelson Darby they all agree that Jesus had a pre -created shell in Mary that he took on Christmas Eve a pre -created shell what is this pistachios and on that first Christmas Eve there was a farewell going on in heaven the son said goodbye to the father now the body of Christ was divinely prepared by God the

01:17:22

Holy Spirit had taken nine months to accomplish his work and thus that body came and with it came the second person of the

01:17:29

Trinity what book is that from 1970 why was

01:17:34

Jesus born John MacArthur on grace to you it's sermon number 12 the son said goodbye to the father yeah where'd he get that yeah

01:17:50

I affirms eternal sonship also it's an inter -trinitarian thing but to say the son said goodbye to the father is just ridiculous okay so the thing is this sparked my interest researching what

01:18:03

Trinitarians actually believe about the incarnation are you a Trinitarian huh are you a

01:18:10

Trinitarian no by studying I came out of that I believe that so okay maybe

01:18:19

I should make a statement what I believe the simple verses John 114 which says the word became flesh and the word is used you know my 1096 anytime it's connected with two nouns and there is no exception it talks about a transition from condition to condition why would it not mean that in John 114 in first John 1 verse 1 it says that the logos of life was seen okay can

01:18:42

I wait hold on hold there you're going to too much you're just saying too much hold on I want to ask you something are you said

01:18:52

John 114 the word became flesh what are you saying by that okay look look let me tell you something

01:19:04

I've had thousands of discussions with thousands of people and I ask them what do you think that is

01:19:11

I'm not saying the Bible says it now look I can quote the verse and I can say this what the

01:19:16

Bible says and use it against you this is why I'm specifically asking you I have a specific question

01:19:22

I want to get to I want to know what you think it means what you think it means that the word became flesh what do you think that means

01:19:30

I have a question for you if the word became flesh was it no longer the word hold on a second if the word became flesh and you're hold on and you're saying that water becomes wine if the water becomes wine is the wine also water is is wine and water the same thing yes

01:20:17

I am is wine and water to the same thing okay was what it was is wine and water the same thing hold on a sec you're reading a whole bunch of stuff all you want to do is teach hold on asking you a question

01:20:38

Andre Andre hold you already have made your statement Andre okay then wait a minute wait wait wait wait let me explain the way this works hold on a minute the way this works if you'd like to have a formal debate we set that up you when we do open

01:21:00

Q &A it's for questions and answers well okay so okay

01:21:05

Jason help me we'll set up a debate Jason Jason it's

01:21:13

Andre Jason hold on Andre sorry Andre I don't know if you're worth the time and the reason

01:21:22

I'm saying this is because I can't even get you to answer a simple question hold on a sec

01:21:32

Andre Andre Andre I'm not using my psychology on you it's not an issue of psychology

01:21:41

I simply asked you a simple question does the water when it becomes wine is it still water simple okay so you see look we can't have a debate because you can't have a discussion and the cross examination is what we're doing right now and you can't bear to do that okay okay

01:22:10

I'm trying to be patient with you and this I'm just testing you if you want a piece of me then answer my question okay get ready silence them silence them look look here's a thing here's a problem

01:22:28

I'm trying to have a discussion with them and notice what's happening every time I try and ask him something he won't let me finish he tries to dominate the conversation he challenges me but he won't even have and he can't even say my point because he keeps interrupting me okay let me let me clarify it so I muted him for a minute

01:22:49

Andre you came into a Q &A not a debate and okay now he's gone if he's gonna give him the wine he can go wine someplace else but you just revealed he's probably not a

01:23:01

Christian he didn't get his way look folks when you do an open question and answer that's what it is it's what it is an answer now you could give a challenging question and challenge

01:23:13

Matt but when we when we set up a formal debate there's rules to a debate there's a times and that's why we devote the full two hours when we do a formal debate so each side has an opening each side gets the cross -examination each side gets a you know their closing arguments and we can ask maybe some questions but the reality is is it seems

01:23:40

Andre came in here to challenge without giving Matt time to prepare match trying to get clarifying questions he doesn't want to be challenged he wants to as Matt said teach look if if Andre would have come in respectfully and said hey

01:23:57

I would like to set up a debate there's an easy way to do this folk if you would like to set up a debate with Matt or I you simply contact me and we set it up okay info at striving for eternity dot o -r -g email us and set it up we have some debates that we're trying to line up some that you have to wait them for Matt have to wait till his wife gets a little bit better but the reality is you don't just come into the open

01:24:25

Q &A and and look to to end up just dominating and make it into a debate when it wasn't set up for that I have no problem setting up the debate we've used this show to set up plenty of debates but that's not what this is for let me add

01:24:44

I I've said this before I've done this before where someone's kind of challenged me I'll ask a question and some people might think well it's a little bit you know narrow why are you doing that so quickly

01:24:55

I have a reason for it and I told you what the reason was I can't even get him to answer a simple question now then

01:25:06

I won't be able to get him to answer a simple question later correct and that's why

01:25:12

I wanted to see he made a logic mistake also I can see what level of logic he understands and obviously he doesn't obviously doesn't know what he's doing in that area and he wasn't even polite enough to allow me to ask the question to get a simple answer it was a test at all to see if he's worth debating no because just because I get challenges me have to accept a challenge you know but if he wants to come on and discuss it then let's discuss it and let me also explain why

01:25:40

I ejected him because nobody was able to see that except for those of us in the room he did a hand gesture that was disrespectful what do you do he basically gave us all the middle finger and that's and he wants to debate me and this is how he behaves so I was right wasn't

01:26:00

I to find out and to dig I get challenged some people and I say I'm gonna find out if they're you know

01:26:06

I don't mean it's a derogatory sentence they're worth debating because I'm not saying that worth you know it's a human being but you know just because somebody's you know been saved three days and said

01:26:15

I a minute you know let's hold on so I want to see he just gave himself away yeah you know it's bad news let me add in mr.

01:26:26

James here he's come in James for actually you know before James comes in you mentioned

01:26:33

Chad Pridmore and what you may not know I know you had lunch with Chad because this week because I was talking to him just before you headed out for lunch with you but Chad is a new podcaster on the

01:26:45

Christian podcast community he's got a new podcast called the way radio the very first initial teaser is up once iTunes accepts him he's gonna be dropping his episodes you

01:26:55

Matt remember when he used to be on the radio with he was just before you or after you were but he used to be at the radio station there and then he went on podcasting and he was podcasting but who he was hosting through they ended up shutting down so he's now with the

01:27:12

Christian podcast community we have I think like a I want to say like oh

01:27:18

I don't know 12 or 13 podcasts 14 podcasts there now I forget it's growing but one of them is also

01:27:26

James Watkins here who's just coming in and he can unmute himself he is the host of five solos podcast also part of the the founder of five solos ministries so there's an introduction to mr.

01:27:42

James hey so I wouldn't expect in this I called you out in a video a little bit ago that I did oh you mean you called me out while we were doing this show yeah

01:27:52

I totally forgot you were doing the show I was telling I was gonna tell you about a special surprise that that we have for you but you don't get on so I don't know if you get the surprise now yeah

01:28:01

I was tagged and you said there's a surprise but hey all right well

01:28:06

Anthony's pointing to himself he whatever the surprises he wants it I'm walking through evangelist

01:28:21

I did three sermons on Sundays at a church near me on evangelism and last

01:28:26

Saturday and the next two Saturdays I'll be doing evangelism training with them like out at the farmers market your tracks went like hotcakes

01:28:35

James I had several hundred they are all gone we just up the game on them that's good

01:28:51

I need those okay well since you mentioned the tracks I'll give a quick commercial to explain the tracks so I had to take my shirt off here's the gospel tracked that James that he was talking about this is one of the tracks he made and if you look they go along with the shirts to that Andrew has as well this is just stamped right in my forehead

01:29:22

God exists he has spoken yeah the tracks come along with you know yeah the t -shirts that match the tracks which is a really cool idea first one

01:29:32

I know that has ever done that but that has that actually has these tracks go out really really quick and and look the print on the back is so big even

01:29:41

Matt can read it at his age I went like full -blown book mode on that track but these right here is it's the first three of the solace

01:29:57

Christ alone faith alone grace alone and like the print on them is just so much bigger and I didn't skip a thing yeah so are you saying

01:30:07

I would be able to read it even with his old eyes yeah absolutely even you could but Matt I wouldn't expect him to come on here but since I'm on I just asked my wife if she'd like to do it and she said yes

01:30:23

I heard you talking about the financial support something that we're wanting to start in July is we want to start donating a percentage of the cells that we get from the tracks and the shirts that we do to a ministry each month so each month we would select the ministry to donate those proceeds to and we would like to do that for you guys the first month hey praise

01:30:48

God so I'll send you an email with the information on it we don't ask for anything in return just goals to get the gospel out so amen what state do you live in I am in little

01:31:03

Georgia Georgia I think I'm only about I think I'm probably the third Calvinist in the state well do you hear me on the radio out there

01:31:12

I'm just curious oh awesome because I was thinking that I keep mentioning out there and there are people want me to come out and speak and preach so maybe it'll happen maybe you know it'd be great to meet you yeah

01:31:29

I'd love to actually I went out this past Friday and I street preached for the first time

01:31:36

I've been talking about doing it for probably the last four years and I finally did it and there's a huge event coming up in September there there's going to be about 50 ,000 people and the only people evangelize in the event or Jehovah's Witnesses where it was this it's in Augusta Georgia it's called

01:31:54

Arts and Hearts Festival I believe but it's a huge cultural event so there's a whole lot of different ethnicities out there there's black

01:32:02

Hebrew Israelites there's Mormons Jehovah's Witnesses so when's it gonna be it's

01:32:10

September the middle of September if I remember right but there's another huge one coming up the

01:32:15

Masters tournament is in April and I'm trying to I'm gonna start trying to get support together the

01:32:21

Jehovah's Witnesses are the only ones out there 250 ,000 people a year go through there and the

01:32:27

Jehovah's Witnesses are the only ones doing something so my goal this year is to generate enough support to be able to supply a hundred thousand gospel tracts and go out there and that reminds me have you ever seen the warning track on from CARM yeah yeah maybe you know use that if you want but man you know

01:32:48

I'm interested in that thing out there but yeah it's we need those tracks out there we need those tracks out there yeah and that's something

01:32:58

I mean with probably 50 ,000 people out there I'd really like to order a batch of about 25 ,000 tracks well hey

01:33:05

James real quick one can you give the website where people can order t -shirts and tracks and whatnot yeah it's www .5solasministries

01:33:16

.com it's the number five you don't have to spell five out but there is the right now we have the first three solas grace alone faith on Christ alone and the shirts and the gospel tracks and we have a support page as well for people because my goal is that whenever I hear like Andrew having a jersey fire or something and you know they need they need something like gospel tracks you know

01:33:41

I want to be able to have enough support in place where I can say okay well I'm gonna send you up 15 ,000 gospel tracks so you guys can go evangelize well

01:33:50

James July was it July 13th I'll double -check the date but July 13th if you want to get the tracks ready for Jersey we have another equip

01:33:58

Jersey coming up you know if you want to send them and folks if you do want to be part of the equip

01:34:09

Jersey just go to equip Jersey dot org equip Jersey dot org and where we have opened the registration there so if you want to join that dr.

01:34:21

Sylvester will be speaking I'll be speaking pastor Frank Mullis will be speaking James kind of knows him that's his pastor and we'll probably be bringing in Ray comfort for Q &A via simulcast so that's the plan then we go out and do some evangelism hand out lots of tracks

01:34:40

I'd love to go out there with you but somebody has to stay behind and preach whenever Frank's on vacation does that mean you're not coming to repent and witness in New York it's

01:34:51

Frank coming to repent witness because if he well you know what you could just it's

01:34:58

Frank you know you could just play it you know recording of someone everyone falls asleep anyway when he preaches

01:35:05

I mean I've seen the videos it's kind of like preaches it's just like naptime yeah well the irony is whenever I preach you know they're they're all smiles afterwards

01:35:16

I don't know if I'm tickling their ears or they just enjoy it that much they were just they were glad it was over yeah that's what it was so you gotta be like during the message see that's when it's good you know every time

01:35:34

I preach and the first time he said it I didn't quite catch it so I was like man he just gave me the first compliment he's ever gave me he was like you're gonna make a good preacher one day after my first sermon one day

01:35:44

I'll send you a email with the information and we

01:35:57

I mean we'd really like to do that for you guys that you've had you had a huge impact on me I used to protest to be an atheist and the

01:36:06

Lord drew me by near suicide attempt and whenever I was coming out of that atheism being drawn and I was having all my questions you know it was karma that I went on to and was getting the answers to everything

01:36:21

I'd always wondered so and Justin Peters ministry ironically enough and then I stumbled upon this guy named

01:36:27

Andrew Rappaport's website when I was in good well this proves that God can use three fools for his glory to bring that one yeah so wait let me

01:37:00

I'm just looking at Matt's shirt there and it does look like he spilled his coffee look at that we got him so spun up look at that white shirt he's got the coffee stain yep there we go this this is part of the shirt this is do a laundry this is not new this is old my wife always goes don't wear that I don't remember it being there before all right so I added

01:37:24

I added Vincent and we got a couple minutes left Vincent is a regular from long ago but we haven't seen him in a while so I added him in Vincent you know how to unmute yourself so go ahead and do that how are y 'all doing uh yeah it's been a while we've been mostly hanging out on discord and talking with all kind of interesting characters over there so I'm at Matt has his channel over there too so we drop in there how you doing

01:37:53

Vincent any questions or or anything for us yeah I just dropped in to see how y 'all are doing because I hadn't talked to y 'all in a while yeah actually

01:38:01

I'm gonna contact you after the show cuz I got some questions about discord but yeah hey

01:38:08

Matt have you moved to your new location yet or what no we had to postpone it because we to the end of the year because we found out that when we go there we'll be out of network and therefore for insurance medical insurance therefore my wife's doctable will start all over again and just you know quits it

01:38:28

I mean she has surgery she had a surgery on her back today much prayers to y 'all's way man much prayers so we gotta wait and hopefully we'll just see you know it may have to move in December because it starts in January the new stuff we may have to get down there and we're gonna strategize how it works and she still wants to go and look okay so we'll do it you know yeah definitely list praying for you guys so thanks

01:38:55

I really appreciate that cuz we definitely need it yeah so I added a cat in here if she has any questions or if she just wants to say hello we have a couple minutes left oh you're letting me say hello thank you you guys realize that she has a point and we have zero right yeah but but the difference

01:39:25

I have I have the mute ability no sandwiches for you although actually see

01:39:34

I have just one point because I am female but it was it Andrew pointed out earlier

01:39:40

Matt is higher on the totem pole than all of you guys because he has Asperger's which is considered a disability oh hold it but but Wow he's not above me because I'm Jewish and therefore we were victimized in the

01:39:59

Nazi Holocaust camp so Jewish anymore so it's probably only half of all I am still

01:40:04

Jewish and and this the slavery of the

01:40:10

Jews in the 1940s was much more recent than the slavery of African Americans just saying well

01:40:17

I'm bald does that give me a point no that makes you ugly hey hey hey hey listen

01:40:24

Wow grass doesn't grow on a busy highway hey

01:40:33

Matt do you like your full head of hair yeah I'm glad I still have it too at 62 years old yeah you know

01:40:42

Vincent some of us their brains just pressed too hard up against the skull and just keeps pushing it out that's exactly right

01:40:51

Anthony I know the feeling yeah you see what a cat you you're you triggered everyone here

01:40:57

Anthony only triggered Matt you triggered everybody I'm totally not sorry cuz you know if you're laughing you're smiling and I'm okay with it yeah so Matt when are you gonna start studying this whole critical race theory intersectionality social justice well

01:41:15

I don't know because I'll just be transparent here don't be too transparent not to just a little how about translucent not transparent that I'm so I'm under such pressure right now in different categories and different things that I don't have that dedication energy

01:41:36

I need to do for that and and so there's a lot of things pulling you know we could do we could spin you up every week on that's what

01:41:45

I'm saying next week my first thing I'm gonna do is bring this up again 801 p .m.

01:41:54

you know okay yeah you know though in all fairness people have to learn about this because this this is still a shocker so so Matt and you know you you weren't there at Shepard's Conference with Andrew and I a lot of others this is this is what shocked me

01:42:13

I thought every world Shepard's Conference MacArthur's conference G3 no no conferences

01:42:19

John MacArthur's pastors conference at Grace Community Church in in LA so I expected that when that whole

01:42:27

Q &A happened and some some hard questions were given from Phil Johnson to Mark Dever and and Al Moeller I would have expected everybody there all what is it 2 ,500 3 ,000 people or so that were there or maybe more

01:42:45

Andrew I don't know more I expected all the people that were there to know exactly what was going on I was shocked

01:42:50

I don't know about you Andrew I was shocked that what is it maybe 15 % of guys knew what was going on there's a lot there were a lot of pastors that have no idea you know and for the same reason

01:43:03

Matt doesn't you know the thing is is that a lot of the pastors are and a lot of people don't understand what it's like being you know pastor having having your whole day you're trying to get your study in but then you have visitations you have this you have that you have all these different things going on it's hard to to find time to just see what's going on out there in the world yeah so it's the same with Matt Matt's you know busy with you know writing articles preparing to move taking care of you know being a full -time caregiver now you don't have the time to keep up on stuff

01:43:37

I mean you basically you know I have I have like guys like you and Justin Peters and you know

01:43:42

Tom Buck and others that keep me informed but I don't have time to follow all the stuff like I saw what happened at the

01:43:48

SBC but I haven't had a chance to start reading it yet I'm gonna hopefully do that tonight but yeah you know you'll be as bald as I am by the time you pull all your hair out from reading all these articles it is it's insane what's what you're gonna see in there but you know the real danger in all this though is that we see this here in Cleveland Ohio there's been a number of churches that it just gets slipped in somebody brings it in under the guise of let's root out racism and instead it's literally a reverse racism and they're bringing in the whole social justice movements into churches well it's actually not a reverse racism well racism by its definition it's that they've they're it they redefine racism and now racism is about economic status so I mean it's like I've had

01:44:41

I've had african -americans who told me they can't be racist because they're oppressed I don't know they they get into that you know like I I know my kids being even half

01:44:52

Asian couldn't get scholarships for being a minority and the reason I was told that they're not a minority as Asians is because they're smart enough so it doesn't minority doesn't mean minority if it means do you need extra help and the the thing that you ended up seeing is that you have plenty of people who

01:45:14

I'm working hard to to take care of my kids but they can't get a scholarships in in college and then you have other people who just because they're a certain color of skin or whatever determined they get all these scholarships that are available to them so that they can get into college now

01:45:35

I think it's good to have everyone get have an opportunity to get into college but when you start saying well certain people can get the benefits of you know they're saying that we have a privilege and I'm going well

01:45:46

I'm not seeing it because getting your scholarships paid for for college I was like $200 ,000 per kid that seems like an awful lot of privilege to not have to pay that right you're too high on the privilege scale

01:46:00

Andrew just yeah I mean you know I I remember I remember

01:46:05

Votie Bachem talking this has got to be five or six years ago now where he he was he was called that white guy who looks like us by Africans when he was when he was this is before he's he left his church in Houston resigned and went over to you know

01:46:24

I went over there permanently he was he was on some type of trip in Africa and I can't remember where but we saw him at a homeschooling conference here in Cleveland and he said that he was a he was they said that he looks he he he looks like us but he talks and acts like the white guy so they were actually calling him a white guy who looks like us

01:46:49

Votie it's one of those things are really stuck in my mind this is before the whole social justice movement thing hits it's um and so I I bring this up because it's when they look at the

01:47:03

Bill Cosby's remember Bill Cosby what 15 or 20 years I know it's a bad name now but 15 20 years ago when the whole ebonics movement was hit or it was was was hitting right and Bill Cosby came out said wait a minute guys what are you doing why would we why would we make up this other language for English in instead of teaching

01:47:25

African -Americans correct English why are we pretending there's another way to speak English and and he was vilified for it and so what you find is that is that the

01:47:35

African -Americans that have stood up against this nonsense have been literally tossed aside in this whole movement even today

01:47:45

I mean we we saw Votie Bacchum speak at g3 right the pre -conference the whole social justice pre -conference thing and he made it he made a joke about it there that he was going to be vilified for his stance because he's a black guy that is literally broke ranks from well the the guy from just thinking podcast you know

01:48:05

Daryl and Virgil they've been called all kinds names uncle Tom and also because you know as they point out on their podcast there's a great podcast just thinking podcast but as they point out the whole issue of racism no longer has to do with the color of skin or the melanin in skin it has to do with a social economic argument okay and so they're not they're white because they're not supporting these ideas that should be supported of socialism and the reality is it's it's it's socialism has failed every time it's tried yeah they'll do it better yeah well when we can point back to scripture

01:48:48

I mean I want to hear somebody complain about why God gave one person ten talents another one five talents on the one two talents or one a camera was it one five and ten two five and ten but why are they complaining about that I mean we have to understand to that that God has allowed some people have more some people have less right isn't this part of the argument today so you know they really have an issue with God himself it really shouldn't be directed at at who they blame which is the white male for oppressing everybody 110 and 100 is what

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01:54:33

Matt you guys aren't sorry I just can't believe in her that stuff before I've been reading it all day today it's it's still calming down from it yeah it's it's pretty bad you know maybe you know have a

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I'll do some research on it we could have a conversation you're ahead of me so we can figure it out but yeah it needs to be talked about no we got to do that live so we look on your face when you hear these things is just classic and we do think

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