A WOW Moment with Vicki, Mercedes and Sue (Date: December 10 2020)

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Good you got me Because I've gone to the wrong one before I Got sorry, we're running a few minutes late

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Mercedes and I got well, I left my house. I forgot something

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I got halfway to her house. I turn around go back to my house Then I got her

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I did not Enough that's how it started.

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That's how it started. I was there. I heard it. We got here later than we expected because I Forgot something at home

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That's better. Everybody that's out there. That's all taken. Good job. I forget stuff all of the words

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Um, but anyways, welcome to our Bible study tonight tonight

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I'm Vicki. Everybody remembers Mercedes Tonight we were at I'm not jealous because everybody remembers

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Mercedes my hair. Well, she's It's not get some purple or pink. But right now my hair's grown out

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So she's not she don't stand out like she used to she's Bright Yes What about purple and yellow

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I Know and we stomp them Saturday Anyways, no,

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I'm sorry. We're kind of getting off track here like that's abnormal But anyways, we are down in Horn Lake, Mississippi It's another reason why

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No Wasn't your fault it wasn't your fault nor her fault it was traffic

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A good minute. It was it I was like what is going on?

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And then I almost missed the turn because My passenger wasn't paying attention

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And and she said well, you know kind of when I'm a passenger. I just certainly pay attention I said you should know better by now.

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We've been riding together at night for a very long time So then she started read because when

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I have these glasses on I can see to drive I can't see the little screen in my car though.

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That tells me the exit number You get both yeah, they're called bifocals

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This is my first pair of glasses

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If they weren't gonna be bifocals anyway, as y 'all can tell we're very comfortable here

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Yes Very nice house by the way I made it to right here and I cried and I said

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I'll take it All I need to see

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I'm good So anyways, we are in a warm like this list our love we're we're more like Mississippi and We're at Sue and Johnny's as everybody everybody knows

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Everybody Everybody But for those of you that don't this is

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Sue Johnny's in the back I think he's watching football. Yes, so But we decided to drive down here tonight because Sue Decided it was her turn to be our guest.

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No, I was told ballin toad. You should be used to this Hey Which which which week do you want

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December? And then I threw in also gumbo sounds great

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Yeah, we have gumbo but they're the only ones getting to eat it

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We can sit Sorry, sorry, we explained it

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We explained to Sue that we don't pick anything she picks the scripture that she wants to study

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Mercedes and I do not study the scripture beforehand because we want to allow the

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Holy Spirit the Lord to do his work Through us and study because when you go to study She didn't tell me last night what books you want to be in and what we're gonna be looking at but It's and that's in the reason why that is it's just so we know basically what we're gonna be

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Because if we did it last week You know So anyway, so tonight

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Sue what scripture is it? Well, is it a go -to verse or is it a verse that you just interested in studying?

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It is a verse that I am Interested in studying

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It is not a go -to. It was highlighted. However long ago. I don't know

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Okay. So what is the verse? James 5 13 through 16.

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Oh, so we're gonna cover several. All right. Yes. Sorry. All right Mercedes will you read the

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Sorry, yeah She's rubbing her leg

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Well, I read James 5 13 through 16 sure absolutely Thank you.

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Is anyone among you suffering? He should pray is anyone cheerful. He should sing praises.

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Is anyone among you sick? He should call for the elders of the church and they should pray over him after anointing him with oil with olive oil in the

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Name of the Lord the prayer of faith will save the sick person and the Lord will restore to him

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No, we'll restore him to health if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven Therefore confess your sins to one another and pray for one another so that you may be healed

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The urgent request of a righteous person is a very is very powerful in its effect.

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I Find it very interesting that you've chosen this first considering What all's going on right now in this world

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Because the first thing is is anyone among you suffering Is anyone among you sick

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So what is your interest you what Mercedes yeah

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What interests you thank you in this scripture, what was it that brought you to the study

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Is it personal? Mm -hmm Because you don't have to get into it, okay,

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I was just wondering because there are There's so much of this going on now.

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Yes Um, it is a personal thing I picked this to be honest

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I was flipping through I have a lot of scripture highlighted in my Bible and it's not

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I Couldn't pick something. I just couldn't pick one. I have lots on my desk even

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But there wasn't one that was sending out to me. So Sunday after church I sat down and I just started flipping through the whole thing and I looked at everything.

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I've highlighted Over the past seven years and this Called out to me

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Because of what it says as my son was in a car wreck and died

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March 31st 2018 and From my knowledge. He was an unbeliever

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Which is a very hard thing to tell me to your knowledge to my knowledge I mean, we'd know what he ever really knows a person's heart.

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Oh my god Except I don't know I can tell you that his actions

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Not really his actions, but there were several times that he would just say mom. That's for you So I just I felt like he wasn't a believer but And about a year or two after I rededicated or Repented and turned my life around Thomas was sick and he had to have a colonoscopy.

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He was very scared and he walked down to the front and we all Pastor Jeff anointed him and we all prayed over him for his colonoscopy that everything would be okay, and he would be okay

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When Thomas walked down there with me Pastor Jeff asked him do you know what you're doing?

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Do you know what what you're here what you're doing because you wanted to make sure before we did that Thomas understood

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What he was doing when he was down there and my son said yes, and he knew and he proceeded to take the

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Anointment and we prayed over him. He of course Didn't have cancer moved away so a lot of other things happened, but in this verse

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It says That if he had sinned that his sins would have gone

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So it it instantly filled me with hope that Thomas may have possibly

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Be in heaven By that After further studying

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I know that James was written to believers But the question still arises if If he was still talking to believers, then why did he say if they had sinned it would be

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Not kind of against them because if you're a believer, it's already not counted against you. Let me ask you a question

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If they come in the baffled think about it, okay before you say anything He wanted to go down And be anointed and prayed over I asked him

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Thomas, do you want to go and be prayed for and he walked with me down there and said yes But wait, wait, wait, wait.

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Wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait. Wait a minute That tells me

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He believed and had faith That's what I thought too He in this is

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This is why I say that okay and just give me a minute because it takes me a few minutes to get my words out

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The older I get the worse it gets That tells me that at that point in time

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He said Whether he wanted to I mean whether he wanted to admit to you that he was saying it

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That he had faith in the Lord and that the Lord could heal him where he wouldn't have told pastor

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Jeff. Yes Yes And that's and I know that our faith

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Saves us And this plainly says that And in addition to that when

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I did rededicate my life One of the first things

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I did was offer my children to Christ and I begged and I prayed and I believed with Not a mustard seed with everything.

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I am and everything I have And my children would not leave this world unless they were his and they would go to him if they leave they go here

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I mean, that's okay As long as I know where they are. Well, and I believed it right 1050 with everything

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I would die right now. I believed it and you should steal well

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Unfortunately in death the enemy loves to play with your head and put thoughts in and yeah

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I think we talked about that And it's horrible, you know, it's a hard thing to go. Yeah Yeah, it's hard enough losing a child but thinking that your child is in hell is 10 ,000 times harder.

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Yeah You know because that's just no But On that day

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At that time maybe and I'm a full believer that He was saying

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I have faith and I believe because if not

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Because he has said that to me before So I tell you right me.

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Okay, right Well, why wouldn't he have said that? You see what

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I mean? What are you found? What But that's honestly

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I mean because it And like you said, it's not for us

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It's really not for us to question Because It is all in the

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Lord's hands No matter what At the same time though like one thing that gives me peace is

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How And even here and Just I mean, you know, there was one instance in January before he passed in March There was a snowstorm in 2018 and ice and I don't know why in the world my husband and I would drive from here

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To Bartlett to get sunflower seed, but we did But we did and I never talked to people ever you know that I don't like I don't like talking with people

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So anyway, I'm in the line at the Kroger and this woman strangers in front of me and I Just start talking to her and she's like I've been looking for a church and this is great

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And I so I said, well, I'll pick you up I got her email and I went that next Sunday and picked her up for church.

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My son Thomas was riding with John somehow or another it got fixed to where he was in the car with us on the way home to drop her and She Turned around and just started witnessing to my child and was just telling him and he even told her that day

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Thank you It's just so many times in the day of their death

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Alexis was saved by the hair at the hairdresser. She got her hair done and there's just so many things that I see

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God chasing my child. I mean I can see it now looking back at it during that time

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I mean you're in your everyday life. Your kid is alive. He's gone. You know, you don't think about things like that But whenever they're gone you go back and you start replaying all these things that happened and it all makes sense

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And he was tormented in Colorado he was so depressed. He was crying every single day all the time.

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He was very depressed he was being tormented and He wanted to come here where he went to church every

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Sunday where he would pray. I mean I Could I I see the steps, you know

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Leading up and I can see and that brings me such joy that even if my if my son didn't choose

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How wonderful my God is to chase him anyway, you know and to try and get that One because it was important and I prayed and it was important It was important and what's important to us is important to God too.

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My son was important and I prayed and I meant it I meant it. I meant for him to take him to camp

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Well, this is a different Bible, this is the Bible that I got. This was my dad's and Do you know?

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I love it and The way it reads

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Is it's pretty it's pretty basic. Are any among you sick?

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They should call for the elders of the church and have them pray over them anointing them with oil in the name of the

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Lord Ready? Mm -hmm. And their prayer offered in Faith and that's talking about all of us

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That pray over Thomas, right Or is it talking about the one who was the sick?

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Well, surely if I'm getting prayed over I'm praying too. Yes, you would hope but Not everyone does but It says well

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But here's what gets me it says if they have sinned they will be forgiven so my the

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My my thought process on this is James was written to believers So if he's writing to a believer, why would he say that their sin would be forgiven if they've sinned?

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Because their sins were already forgiven if they're believers. Well, that's why you repent all the time.

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I sin every stinking day And I have to pray and I have to ask

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God for forgiveness and I have to repent for that this on the other hand This on the other hand

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Isn't okay That's why I say That's why

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I say right here offered in faith Because it's saying and anyone who has committed sins will be forgiven

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That doesn't mean that people around them can ask for his For that person's forgiveness that person has to be prayed also and then at that point in time.

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Yes, it is Forgiven Yeah You can't pray for somebody else's sin.

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No, I know that but the way I read this and The way

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I comprehended it Being the fact that they are believers It looks different Unless maybe that believer is stricken though because of a sin

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People are stricken with They I probably believe people get sick because we live in a lost dying world

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Or they it's all from their own accord, you know, a smoker's gonna get sick because what?

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Right That's just a little side note

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I'm in awe with you right now. Well because you're like soaking like a sponge

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Yeah, usually you're hashing like potatoes But anyways back to this

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I don't Number one you have to ask. This is my thought

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Let me see Mercedes. Will you go and look at where is that person?

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Is that 15? We saw James It's the second sentence of 15 really that's where you go to Matthew 9 to mark 2 5 and link 24 47.

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Can you see that in your body? Yeah, I see it for 15

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For 14 and for 16 it skips 15 wonder why Just then some men brought to him a paralytic

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Lying on a mat seeing their face. Jesus told the paralytic have courage son.

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Your sins are forgiven Bible And I'm a singer

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Mark 2 5. Yeah, seeing their face.

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Jesus told the paralytic son your sins are forgiven Yeah You only read 24 46 because it starts and yes, yes

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He also said to them, this is what is written, the Messiah would suffer and rise from the dead the third day, and repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in his name to all the nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

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Get Isaiah. 33, 24? Yeah. Let's get you the

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Old Testament. 33, 24. And none there will say,

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I am sick. The people who dwell there will be forgiven their iniquity. This kind of starts in the middle of the sentence, but.

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What would you think? What'd I say? I think, of course you know, and I don't know.

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No. But, from one mother to another mother.

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She's not a mother yet, I'm not. I'm a dog mom, so. Yeah. From one mother to another. They're annoying.

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To me, that showed that he had faith. I'm sorry,

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I mean, that's just the way I look at it. That's how

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I see it. That's what John thinks too. And it only takes the faith of a mustard seed.

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That's what I keep telling myself. You don't have to have a whole hog pen full of faith.

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It's pretty simple. Now, I know you very, very, very well.

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You have to let it go. It's right there.

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And it's right here. And it's right there. And it's right.

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Did you hear that? Yeah, I'm hungry. And it's right there. I mean, what does the scripture of faith of a mustard seed?

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What is that, Matthew? Oh gosh, that's one of my favorites and how I don't know it. Sorry, Josiah.

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I'm not good with reference. What is that? It's the faith of a mustard seed. Where's my

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Google? I need Google. Mercedes is over there. I have no clue where it's at. I know it.

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Because now, this is what he was talking about. Thank you, Matthew what?

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I knew it was Matthew. I just can't remember where. Johnny's over here coaching us. Ha ha ha.

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What is it though, Matthew? What, Johnny? Oh, shucks. That's what I said.

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Oh no. I use

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Google all the time, I swear. Johnny's Googling it.

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Thank you, Johnny. There it is.

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All right, Mercedes, spout that one out. Which one is it?

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Which verse? 20, got it. Because of your little faith, he told them, for I assure you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will tell this mountain, move here to there and it will move.

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Nothing will be impossible for you. I had way more than that that day.

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I did. And my oldest son, Peter.

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So are you gonna argue with the water? No. I just wish that it would be like, you know, spelled out.

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It's not gonna be spelled out. I need absolutes that can't be gray.

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You're not, it's not gonna be that way. I am not a gray area person. It's not, it's not, that's not for us.

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What you have to do is, you now have to have faith. You just have to have faith,

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Sue. Do you have faith? Oh, of course. How much?

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It depends on what we're talking about. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

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It depends on which area. Johnny, it's about to get rough in the kitchen. Which area are you talking about?

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Sue. Yeah? Of course I have faith. I do.

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Just like I said. She's a control freak. I was.

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Isn't he sweet? I was totally, wanted to be in control of everything. I just, it's not about control.

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This really isn't about control. It's just about knowing. And honestly, the truth is,

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I'll never know. No. Not until you get there. And it's just, it's a hard thing to deal with.

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That's all. It just is. It's tough. I mean, it's one of the things that, it's the only thing that really torments me.

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You know, my mom passed almost two years ago, and I have gone through this battle of,

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I don't know where she went. I don't know. And it is a, the thought process on that sucks.

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Yes. And you know, I'm still not 100 % sure. But I talked with Josiah one time about it, and he goes, and you're not gonna know.

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But the next time, try harder. The next time that next person comes around, try harder.

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Oh, it's a fact. It's a fact. I talk to people now when

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I'm in places. I never did that. I talk to my clients on the phone about Christ. I never did that either.

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I was always, this is here, and this is here. You know, I'm not a gray -eared person, okay?

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Black and white. And it's just the way it is. I'm absolute. I always said you're gray -eared.

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It stinks because there are so many of them in everything.

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But guess what? Except, except God's Word.

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And that's my warning. It's a fact. It's just I know if I see it in here, then it's true.

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It's not gonna say in here. That Thomas Sabina went to heaven. Sue, this is to let you know.

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Discover, this is for you. Right? This is his little thing, and I'm like, oh, okay.

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There's not another book of the Bible titled Sue. There might be.

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No. I mean, those are roots. There ain't no Sue. No. Right?

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We're gonna put her out of our own house. Oh, that's great. Y 'all clean it too while you're at it.

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I know, I have mine's a mess. But I mean, you know, and that's the whole, and that's,

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I think everybody that's watching this and that will watch this to come will have somebody that has passed in their life, whether it be a spouse or a parent or a brother or sister or a child, or, and they're gonna sit there and go, and I will tell you this too, they're not gonna have the story of this one time at church he did have faith.

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And I got to be right there next to him when it happened. So I'm gonna tell you. That was really cool. I was like, especially when

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Pastor Jeff said, do you know why? And then he was like, yes, I do. I'm going to tell you now.

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Oh my God, yay. You have got to let

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God, because she don't have that.

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And I try to be very grateful at the little things. I think you're very blessed.

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Yeah, and I'm grateful for it too. It's. Not everybody has that.

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And you got that time in the moment. But that was a big one.

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Is there any more discussion? Do I need to get the wet noodle out and lash you with a wet noodle?

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I'm not enjoying it. Stop it. She's got to put that again.

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As somebody would say, strike one. Oh, two, three, there's like four or five, right?

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Maybe. I think there's three. I think there's only three strikes. Maybe. The gray area.

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The gray area. Y 'all are killing me though. Where was that? Matthew what, 1721?

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Uh -huh. Mustard seed. Yeah, I won't forget that reference, Josiah.

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You know he watches us. I don't care. You know, watch us live. He told me at MIT, he says, you have to know the reference.

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It's like, I don't need the reference. And I just did. There you have it.

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I don't need to know that I used to argue with he and John all the time. The whole time they're at my table. I just need to know the scripture.

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He's like, oh, you need to know where to find it. But you know what you just did. You just put him to be complacent.

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He is. He doesn't need that. Every once in a while. I love you,

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Pastor Josiah, so much. Well, Sue, I hope that this study maybe has put something in there to calm you.

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I hope that you can look at the other scripture at some point.

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Maybe do some more reading of scripture. Because you know, you go to Matthew 9 -2 and Matthew 9 -2's gonna take you somewhere else.

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And Mark 2 -5, Mark 2 -5's gonna take you somewhere else. So, if this does nothing but help you dig a little deeper to get a little bit more closure out of what the

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Lord's trying to point out, then

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I would say that tonight was a success for you. I'm just trying to have it. Gosh, I know that.

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So does he. Right? He gave it to me. Right, well, I'll be honest with you. You know, when you and I first started out, we were both right about the same level there.

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Ooh, it was not good. No, we were both trying to control everything and everybody in our lives.

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Yes. I just finally got tired. You know, going back to the mustard seed,

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John 24, John, no, John 5 -24. I assure you, anyone who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not come under judgment, but has passed from death to life.

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Where's that? John 5 -24. You wanna write that down and see it? With what?

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I mean, to me, that alone can be faith of a mustard seed. John 5?

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You said 24. John 5 -24. I'm 24. I'm 24. We didn't get cold with all that fanning of the pages.

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Sorry. I don't have little fancy things to help me get there.

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I'm doing it the old -fashioned way. We had to put these on ourselves. I have them, but I haven't done it yet. You wanna do it for me?

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No, it took me hours. 24, I can't believe it. I think you lost one of them.

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It fell off. It was so sad. Remember, I lost it at the last one.

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They are not straight by any means. This is my study Bible, though. My church Bible is in the car.

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I have about one that stays in the house. That's gonna be a crazy day,

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I hope, when people come out of their graves. What? Yeah. What day? What day?

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Tell me, tell me. In 25. What's it say? Says I should not be amazed.

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Okay, sure. Verse 20, wait. Yeah, verse 20, do not be amazed at this because the time is coming when all who are in the graves will hear his voice and come out.

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That's how it's gonna get. Then you have a bunch of dead people walking dead. That'd be great.

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You know it, we won't be here. I don't wanna see any of the ends in the end.

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I really don't. Well, we're studying Revelations on Saturday nights.

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According to my husband, I'm gonna see some of it. Is he? Johnny, I'm in misery now with all this back.

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Johnny, imagine 10 times worse than this. According to Vicki, I'll be in. According to me, yes. Are you pre -millennial, mid -millennial, or post?

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Well, not millennial. It's pre -trip? Yeah, that's it.

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Yes, definitely. You're pre -trip? No. He's like, I don't know.

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I'm mid -trip, sorry. You're mid -trip. I'm pre -millennial, and I am mid -trip.

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Mid -trip. Yes. I believe it's going to get very. So you think that we're gonna experience some of that, that the

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Lord's got set out for? Why do you feel that way? Well, I can show you several scriptures where he says this calls for patient faith and endurance from God's people.

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And who are we? But let me ask you this. But yes, okay, yes.

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People will get saved after the rapture, but who are we? They're gonna get saved the day of. Of course, yes. Pastor Josiah and I have argued about this too.

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Oh, okay. That's a presupposition that you're saying, oh, because of something that I know will happen, then that.

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That's a presupposition. You, of all know, according to the law, you can't do that. You have to look at the facts, the scriptures, just God's people.

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And I don't know, I'm just a lowly dude. It's very interesting, though, because I'm learning so much about the way, and I like to soak it up, because I like to know how other people are thinking, what they think about it, and how they feel about it, because we don't know.

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I mean, we. You have ideas. Right. And we can say, but our minds are finite.

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Our knowledge is finite. We're trying, finite means trying to understand everything God. Right. We can come close.

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That's like today, did you see that Israel has now made, there's another country that they're, another treaty.

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Oh, the peace with Palestine? It was, it starts with an M, my, my.

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I don't know, I'll have to check it out. Uh, something. Today, it happened today. Another country.

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Wow. Right. That's cool. Yes, it's getting very close. Although, you know, people have been talking.

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They've been saying, I was. Look, people have been talking about this for a very long time. The apostles thought if they were gonna see it, you know, all it says is to be prepared.

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Oh, I'm ready, let's go. Not anymore. He's going too.

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I'm just ready. I don't want him to grow up in this world. In all honesty, the way I look at it, and with no doubt in my mind, another

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Lord takes the children. Because they're not mature enough to make that choice.

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And I believe that the Lord takes all the mentally retarded because they don't know. Yeah. You know what

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I'm saying? But, this world is becoming so bad.

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I know. That I am so scared for my grandkids. I can understand that.

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I guess I'm in a little safe haven in this. We're safe back there.

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We got here, and you told us that 12 people have been killed in two days. Well, that's in Memphis. I don't live there.

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You're not both. Stop it. Yes, this isn't, we're not near it. I mean,

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I'm in Mississippi, honey. We're not safer than y 'all, that's not fair. No. The issue is, I'd like to teach them.

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Like, we actually wanna grow older and see our grandkids get older, John and I.

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We're not ready to go to heaven. I mean, I'm ready, my heart, but my head is.

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You know how Josiah, the young kid, he watched all of you grow up in church, and you see this wonderful generation. I'd love to see my grandsons like that in church.

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Yeah. I'd like to teach them how to fish, how to survive, you know, in case the power does go out.

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You better stop putting the hammer on them. I can't stand it with Peyton being two.

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I can't, Miranda gets all drunk, I'm like, boy. Oh, Papa's the hammer.

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We have no issue with that. No, no. It's okay, they know.

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It's a straightening them up and the admonishment of the Lord. We have come to Jesus meetings every day, but they do pray in Jesus' name, and I've told them that.

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Well, that's good. All right, well, I wanna thank everybody for coming to our

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Bible study. Johnny, I wanna thank you for cooking dinner for us. Sue, I wanna thank you for having us tonight.

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Thank y 'all for coming. I hope that with this being something that you have been thinking of for a while,

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I hope that maybe it has opened up maybe a new verse or two to where you will be able to get more of an answer.

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Right? You don't just lay them out for you now. But I understand, and I remember all that that you went through, and it was not easy.

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It is still not. It's not ever gonna be easy. So, but to all you guys out there, thanks for coming tonight.

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Sorry, again, we started a little late, but you know. Happens. We went over a little bit.

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We went over a lot. Oh, wow. Is it late? Oh. It doesn't take no time.

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Whoa, okay. It takes a lot of time. But thanks for hanging with us tonight, and we hope to see you next

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Thursday. I don't even know who's gonna be on next Thursday, but it doesn't really matter, because it'll be fun, because guess what? Mercedes will be there.

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Miss Louise Maddox. Yay! Oh. I love Miss Louise. So anyways, catch us on YouTube.

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It's at Witten Media Ministry on YouTube. You can get up, Mercedes. Witten Media Ministry.

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And also, make sure to check out Pastor Josiah on Saturdays for his question and answers.

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Those are incredible. And Sunday mornings with Pastor Jeff, and Tuesday nights, sometimes it's

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Pastor Jeff, sometimes it's not. Wednesday night is Brother Andrew.

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I can't keep up with it. And Thursday night's us. But if you're in town, come see us. I don't know our address, but you know, we're the church across from the

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Walgreens. What is it, 6773 Macon? Yes. Is that what it is? We're the church across from the Walgreens of Macon. Yeah.