June 11, 2020 Show with Steven Warhurst on “Storytelling for Children That Provokes Deep Biblical Thought (Fluff Should Never Be Enough–Not Even For Kids)”

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Wishing you all a happy Thursday on this 11th day of June 2020. So delighted to have is a very first time guest today Stephen Warhurst. He is the author of pygo the free a cautionary tale. Which is an illustrated book for children, and we are going to be addressing the major theme storytelling for children that provokes deep biblical thought.

Fluff should never be enough not even for kids. Since my honor and privilege To welcome you for the very first time ever to iron trip and sign radio Stephen Warhurst.

Thank you glad to be here and.

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Your question involves a personal and private matter. Well before we go into your book pygo the free and also storytelling for children that provokes deep biblical thought. What we typically do on this program and we have a first-time guest is we get a summary of their salvation testimony giving an idea of what kind of religious atmosphere you were raised in if any and What kind of providential circumstances our Lord? Raised up in your life that drew you to himself and saved you.

Steven Warhurst's Salvation Testimony and Path to Writing

Yes, I'd love to you can tell your testimony in about a dozen different ways because God was to himself unconnected himself. So I grew up in a home where we were we would have said we were Christians attended church.

We didn't read the Bible. Mindset he was probably just well, we're we're Americans not Muslims. I'm very liberal nothing to trouble and lots of ways and one I guess I think it was in Florida. I didn't know if I was supposed to take it or not.

They probably didn't care. I took the Bible and started Reading it didn't go back to it for a while. I went to college at West Georgia College. It's now University. I was there it turned out it having met an outspoken Christian my whole life I'm sure I'd been around that anybody who was my car was and got separate.

I was saying there this man walked up to me right now. I next to me Shared the gospel with me. I eventually did forward head. This has gone down to the kingdom. He says hey you read the Bible and he some guys on the home the unbeliever Jehovah's Witnesses all the guys on the hall to come to the Bible study and So I was already an evangelist in God's Kindness.

On different young men and Several of us and that's it. That's one way to tell my testimony there are other ways to do because they're like I said there were lots of people he got Involved in the campus ministry, which these young these men now, how did?

You start to have an interest in writing and perhaps even specifically.

Writing for children. Well that came much later. I went to seminary after that. To be a pastor, but I knew I needed to study the Bible and had a lot and it started talking about Paul. I studied the Bible.

I need the magazine for the theological thing. I have visited the campus there. Oh.

Yeah, I went to an event that my friend dr. James R. White was involved in. He was having a dialogue with a Muslim.

Wow. Christian classical book. I read. Actually that's how I got interested in storytelling and I I Started teaching and I wanted to add well you obviously.

Developed an excellent gift for it because I know Joel Beakey the founder of Reformation heritage books is a very fussy man, and they would not have brought your book into print If he did not think it was excellent.

I'm speaking of your book for children That we are going to discuss in part today. Pygo the free a cautionary tale and Why don't you tell us first of all who is or what is pygo?

Yes, and how did you come up with the name pygo. What that goes. Name. And then I found out later in Greek that pygo means romp. Well posterior. I found that out well before you go any further into a description of the book.

I'm going to read a. An endorsement from somebody that I've loved to interview on this program George Grant pastor of Parish Presbyterian Church in Franklin, Tennessee and author of quite a number of books himself and.

And.

George says it is said that if you want someone to know something tell them. If you want them to understand something Tell them again, but if you want someone to love Something tell them a story. That is precisely what Stephen Warhurst and April Reese Have done in this delightful book.

They've told a wonderful story that prompts us to love what is right and good and true while simultaneously helping us to know and understand both the beauty of God's created order and the dangers inherent in violating his gracious commands.

And if George Grant thinks so highly of this book I Am going to Presume that it is excellent because I love George Grant and his writings as well. So tell us more about the story of this angel fish named pygo.

Well, I don't want to spoil it too much, but oh, yes, we don't want you to give away the end or anything. It has a book. Really I. Lots of children's book are entertaining little kids, but full to discover things I tell people around slamming doors and you remember the question.

I think I might have gotten off track.

Well, I think that you probably answered it correctly because I don't remember the question either. And I don't remember thinking to myself. He's not answering my question. But you've also I don't know how long you've known the artist.

But.

April Reese or Reese April Reese, she's quite a talented artist. Really beautifully illustrated book. Yes.

Very gifted young lady. And Actually. Yes, you did and.

I'm glad that.

You.

Seem to be in step with dr. Beeky. Dr. Joel Beeky who? Happens to be a member of the heritage Netherlands Reformed Church denomination and although he is a pedo-baptist Like Presbyterians admission to PCA before Although he is a pedo-baptist He does not believe that we should presume upon the salvation of our children and that our children even the children of Christian parents should be viewed as a mission to you and there is a Disagreement amongst our pedo-baptist brethren on that issue.

So, I'm glad that this book is intended for parents to lead their children to Christ because I've even heard Occasion some of my Presbyterian brothers Say things like well, I don't need to lead my children to Christ.

They're already encouraged that kind of thing. But it's good to hear because as a reformed Baptist, I think it's a Very important thing to view children as a mission field and This this looks like a book that would be an excellent vehicle to be used in that way.

So tell us about some of the feedback that you've already gotten for the book.

Well, the people don't do what adults off-guard and they didn't know exactly what to think. I believe this for older. I would put it probably in the 12. I was probably to some 12 year olds, but actually read the real got the real book in our hands and read it.

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Storytelling for Children and Deep Biblical Thought

Welcome back. This is Chris Arnzen your host of Iron Trumpets Iron Radio and we are returning to our discussion with Stephen Warhurst and Stephen is the author of Pygo the Free a Cautionary tale and our main theme today is storytelling for children that provokes deep biblical thought.

Fluff should never be enough not even for kids. If you have a question for us, we would love to hear from you at Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris arnzen at gmail .com. And give us your first name. Your city and state in your country of residence.

If you live outside the USA and only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter a BB in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania has a question for you. BB asks if a child were to read this book along with his parents.

Would there be a need for words to be defined and perhaps? Ways that the child's mind would be stretched rather than him. Just reading very simple words that he would already know the meaning of.

Well, thank you BB and if you give us your full.

Mailing address. You will get in the mail a free copy of pygo the free a cautionary tale which was published by our friends at Reformation Heritage books and we have CJ from Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York.

Who says I heard you early on in the interview mentioned? Darwin. I'm assuming that this book includes some kind of apologetic for children that would refute Darwinian evolution in some way.

Yeah, and they cannot.

Hear too early refutations of that because children are hearing go. Darwinian evolution.

And.

Some perhaps Unlikely places that are intended for children in the media because.

You.

Even in the nature programs for children you very often hear. About the millions of years.

That.

It has taken for a certain animal to evolve into another kind of animal etc. And you'll hear things about our ancestors the chimpanzees and all that kind of thing. Even right. Even in Programming for little children and books for children that are secular for the most part.

Although I before I. Before my rebirth in Christ in the in the mid 80s I was raised Roman Catholic and I was in Catholic grammar school in the late 60s up until the mid 70s and We were taught in our Catholic parochial school in our science class Darwinian evolution.

We were told that the stories In the Old Testament were fairy tales and so on. Now that was in the science class I'm sure That the nuns did not agree. Some of the older nuns especially did not agree with that.

But but we were definitely being fed Darwinian evolution even as very young children in Catholic school. Yeah for sure.

Right, but yeah, but when you start to look at Darwin's theory the angelfish was Darwinian, huh?

We have. Oh by the way CJ you've also won a free copy of this book that we have been.

Mentioning.

Pygo the free a cautionary tale and so make sure we have your full mailing address in Lindenhurst Long Island, New York. We've got a question from RJ in White Plains, New York who asks is This book an allegory just like Pilgrim's Progress except for a more exclusively younger audience.

Allegory. Pygo is pretty commonly in the world. You know, it's more of a somewhat allegorical might qualify for that and that's when I go meet a Beagle a beagle like the dog or a beetle like the insect a beagle like the dog.

Pygo meets a beagle that is swimming and He hops on the beagles back and the beagle takes him to the Galapagos Islands. There's some allegory in that. If you know anything about Darwin, oh, I did not remember that that's interesting.

It's the HMS Beagle, but of course in the story. I goes on the back of a his starkest suing. Right now. So would you say that?

Darwinian evolution Plays a major theme in this book. I.

Think so pretty desperate. Is there any point in the book?

Where.

A pygo meets Nemo from Finding Nemo and evangelizes and evangelizes. And perhaps maybe even gets Ellen DeGeneres saved at the same time. By the way, I don't think I told RJ yet. RJ and white planes if I haven't told you already.

You've also won a free copy of pygo the free. I hope you have Children in your life either your own or perhaps you have grandchildren or nephews and nieces.

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We also want to thank again Reformation Heritage Books For their generosity in providing us with some of the copies of this book. Pygo the free the cautionary tale. We're going to our midway break right now.

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