F4F | Dumpster Fire with Mel Bond, Isaiah Saldivar and Katie Sousa

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Mel Bond on Signs, Wonders, and the Long Ending of Mark

Today, we are going to be heading to Mel Bond's YouTube channel, and oh my word! Have you ever read in 2 Peter, chapter 1, where it says that we are partakers of the divine nature? Yes, you probably have heard that.

Well, there's some bad teaching out there. Robert Morris has got a recent series that he's doing on this, and we might have to cover Robert Morris in depth, but Mel Bond recently discussed this on his YouTube channel, and the name of the episode is Neglecting Signs and Wonders is Neglecting the Rapture, Part 1, and this is apparently a sermon by Mel Bond, but he's going to discuss that oft misunderstood text from 2 Peter, chapter 1 about being partakers in the divine nature, and we'll actually show you how are we to understand what that text is talking about.

Is it saying that we become little gods or that we are divine? Nope, and the issue is that the word partakers, the one that gets translated as partakers in the English, the Greek isn't so, it doesn't really kind of lend itself that way, and so we'll show you how to unwind that one as well as talk about what do you do with the long ending of Mark, which oftentimes gets misquoted by people, and by the way, the long ending of Mark probably wasn't part of the original autograph, so we'll explain that also.

Then we will be talking about, let's see here, I'm probably going to throw in Isaiah Saldivar. Isaiah Saldivar, I know you guys have a hard time listening to the way he preaches, yeah, that's what he's going to be doing, but man, he says something really blasphemous that it's worth passing along, so we threw it into this dumpster fire, and then we're going to be listening to Katie Sousa talking about python spirits, the enforcers of the devil who are going to squeeze your finances.

Yeah, so buckle up, bendy straws, duct tape, and tinfoil pyramid hats, probably a good idea for this installment of Fighting for the Faith. So, let's begin with Mel Bond, shall we? And so, he's talking about that we all need to operate in signs and wonders, and that if you are a believer in Jesus, that means you also, you can operate in signs and wonders, and he had just previously said that if you neglect this ministry of signs and wonders, well, the rapture won't happen.

Okay, but watch where he goes from here.

But who qualifies for signs and wonders and all the gifts of the Holy Spirit? If Jesus Christ is the Lord of your life, you qualify. Mark in chapter 16, verse 17, Jesus said this, he says, and these signs, supernatural miracles in the senses realm, proving that Jesus Christ is Lord, will follow those that believe.

Now, here's the issue, that's from the long ending of Mark, and for this one, I'm going to need to, whoa, hang on a second here, I don't want that, I want, let's see here, there we go, that's what I want.

My desktop acted a little bit bizarre here, I want Logos. So, by the way, I sometimes get questions, what's the software that I use? When I am studying, most of my theological library, my Greek texts, Hebrew texts, and stuff like this, when I'm studying personally and learning and preparing sermons and lessons and stuff like this, I'm in Logos.

This is where the vast majority of my theological library lives. When I am teaching, I am in Accordance, and that's where I'm at. So, that's the other application that I use. So, let's take a look at Logos here.

In fact, hang on a second here, is it me or is it, there we go, Accordance, all right, Logos, here we go. So, we're going to look at the Gospel of Mark, and we are going to look at the long ending of Mark, and that's the proper way of discussing it, and we're going to note what your Bibles say, and this is important.

You'll note that Mark, in the oldest and most reliable manuscripts that we have of the Bible, it ends at verse 8. Now, that seems like an odd place to end the Gospel of Mark, but the reality is this, our earliest and best manuscripts don't include the long ending.

As a result of it, the reality is this, most likely, the long ending of Mark was not something actually penned, it's not part of the original, therefore, it's not part of the Bible. When we talk about the inerrancy of Scripture, we are talking about inerrancy as it relates to the autographs, which is why textual criticism is so important, because with textual criticism, we're able to look across the different manuscripts that we have and be able to have certainty regarding really what the originals would say.

The whole science of textual criticism is a friend to Christianity, not a foe, you shouldn't be listening to the Textus Receptus KJV only group, they legitimately don't know what they're talking about, they're conspiracy theorists.

But that being the case, the earliest manuscripts do not include Mark 16 verses 9 through 20, probably added later by a copyist. And as a result of it, we got some problems. But you're going to note here that it is on the basis of this long ending of Mark where you get some really aberrant teaching.

So, note what it says here, and these signs will accompany those who believe in my name, they will cast out demons, they will speak in new tongues, they will pick up serpents with their hands, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them, and they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.

It is this long ending of Mark in that particular set of verses here, which led to the snake handling Pentecostals of Appalachia. Have you ever heard of these folks? Yeah, do a little Google on this. In fact, you're not a true Christian unless you can handle the poisonous snakes and drink strychnine and not die.

And many of them, sadly, have died from either snake bites or strychnine poisoning, things like this. So, you're going to note that this is most likely not part of the original text. It wasn't. When Mark finished his gospel, that was not in it.

How did it get later added? I would point people to the work of James White of Alpha and Omega Ministries. He does a lot of work on the long ending of Mark, and I think he does some solid work along those lines.

I can't recommend everything that he promotes, but when it comes to a scholarship on the long ending of Mark, he knows what he's talking about. And it's most likely, and by most likely, like 95, 96, 97 chance it was not part of the original.

So, you'll note, we should not be drawing our doctrine from this long ending of Mark. It's problematic at best. And so, you'll note that how is Mel Bond using the long ending of Mark? Well, he's basically saying that this means that you are going to, it's a promise to you that you're going to operate in signs and wonders, which is even more proof that the long ending of Mark is problematic.

But watch what he does with it here.

He says, and these signs, supernatural miracles in the census realm, proving that Jesus Christ is Lord, will follow those that believe. And so, immediately, when you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, that you have now been transformed from, or translated from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of God's dear son.

And so, now you have a new lineage. You have a new DNA.

New DNA, what does that even mean, by the way? Where in Scripture does it talk about a new DNA? By the way, you know, this idea of DNA switching and stuff like that, that's how you get monsters and weird, really bizarre mutations.

Nowhere in Scripture does it talk about us as receiving new DNA.

Peter Now, you are a child of the living God, and the Bible plainly teaches us that we're born again, not by corruptible seed, but by incorruptible seed, by the Word of God. Now, that's true, Peter says that.

Pete And the Word of God says in 2 Peter chapter 1, verse 3 and 4, it says that we become partakers of His divine nature by the Word of God.

Pete Now, listen to how he interprets this, because that's the problem. This is one of those tougher passages, by the way. So, 1 Peter chapter 1, I think it's verse 4, this, you know, what does it mean that we're partakers of the divine nature?

This is a difficult passage to understand, and part of the problem is the linguistics regarding the Greek word behind partakers, and I'll explain that in a minute.

Peter And so now, we are divinity. Pete No.

No, we are not divinity.

But watch what he does with this. Peter We're children of the Most High God.

Pete Now, that's true. We are adopted children of God, but that doesn't mean that we're divinity.

Peter And if you'll notice in my book, and I would encourage everybody to read that book, how that all nine gifts of the Spirit belong to you. Once you understand how they operate and that they belong to you, it's real easy to surrender to them and give action to them.

Pete Surrender to the gifts, which is nowhere taught in Scripture. Now, let's clean this up, shall we? All right. So, we're going to clean this up first and foremost by going to an Old Testament text, which is necessary for us to do.

And so, I'm going to find... Let's see. I need... What did I do with my Old Testament text? I think I'll just hijack this one and use it for that. All right. We're going to go to Isaiah chapter 43. Are humans divine?

Do we become little deities? That's the question, right? So, Isaiah 43 verse 10 gives us a clear, clear, clear text here. So, here's what Isaiah 43 10 says. You are my witnesses, declares Yahweh, my servant whom I have chosen so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he.

Before me, no God was formed, nor shall there be any after me. I am Yahweh, and besides me, there is no Savior. In other words, any theological scheme that would tell you that you are a little God or you become God or that you become divine, that's a lying religion, including in the Mormonism.

Mormonism, the central doctrine of Mormonism is called the law of eternal progression, which teaches as man is, God once was. As God is, man can become. Belogna, it says in Isaiah 43 10. Before me, no God was formed, nor will there be any after me.

So, the one interpretation that is ruled out right away from the clearest passage on the topic is this idea that we become divine or we become little gods. No, we don't. And I would make a terrible deity, by the way.

So, the question is, what does it mean? So, let's take a look at Logos, shall we? All right. And Logos is going to be super helpful for us here. And we are going to go over here and we are going to look at, well, what are our three rules for sound biblical exegesis?

Context, context, and context. So, in 1 Peter, 2 Peter 1, it says this, His defined power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness. Through the knowledge of Him who called us to His own glory and excellence, by which He has granted to us His precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire.

For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge, and knowledge with self-control, and self-control with steadfastness, and steadfastness with godliness, and godliness with brotherly affection, and brotherly affection with love.

So, when you put it in context, it's not saying that we become divine. That's not the point here. But I would point out, using a good commentary, and this one is one that I find to be very helpful, and this is Lenski's commentary.

And in Lenski, he gets at the Greek word that is behind the word partakers. The Greek word behind that word is similar to the word koinonia, but it's different. It's koinonoi, koinonoi. So, you're going to know, it sounds similar to koinonia, which is where we get the word fellowship from.

And here's what Lenski points out in his commentary, which is actually a very good reference for us here. The adjective koinonoi, which is derived from the noun for fellowship, we lack an equivalent English adjective.

Okay? Note, it's an adjective. And in English, we don't have a word that actually is a one-to-one relationship with the word koinonoi. So, the idea then is that it is inexactly rendered then in our English translations by the word partakers.

We should keep the idea of fellowship, lest, as Becer warns, we end up decorating ourselves with a foreign feather. I'm a little god, right? For this divine nature is not substantia, but qualitas. We are partakers.

We have fellowship with the divine nature, and that's a quality, not a substance, right? It is more than imitatio. It is rather the imago dei, as a foreigner is naturalized, so we are fully transplanted into God's kingdom, and then we are naturalized in it, so that what is in that kingdom is properly ours.

We are to be children and sons of God, begotten again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible through the word of God, which lives and abides forever, and ours is then, you'll note, this is what Peter's really getting at.

As Christians, we have the restoration of the divine image, the imago dei, and it's not perfect in this lifetime, but also note that we are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. That is another way that we are in koinonoi, fellowship with the divine nature.

So, what's being described here is the Christians, the Christian, the new person that you are in Christ, and the restoration of the image of God in you. Now it's begun, but not perfected until Christ comes.

So, when Peter says that we are partakers, it would probably be better translated, koinonoi would probably be better translated as we are fellowshippers of the divine nature. That's a little closer to what's going on here.

Partakers in the English makes it sound like, well, we become divine. Uh-uh, we don't. So, this idea of theosis, you become little gods, that's just not what Peter's getting at at all, and it contradicts Isaiah 43 .10, which basically makes it clear, before me no God was formed, nor will there be any after me.

You're not going to be a deity, so don't even bother applying. That position's filled for eternity, and there's nobody going to be coming up through the ranks that can say that they are gods. So, just pointing that out.

So, we've got a big problem here, and that is that Mel Bond has totally biffed it regarding how to properly understand what Peter is getting at here, and now he's making the claim that he's divine, and he's going to extrapolate from his misunderstanding of what Peter wrote, and holy smokes.

Well, if you're divine, well then, doesn't that mean that you'll never die? Well, watch what he does.

And so, as a child of the living God, you qualify immediately when you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. It's the same thing as rich billings. When you were born, physically, immediately, you didn't earn it, but you got the name billings.

You were born into that family. You can't buy it. You were just born into it. And so, when we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, we are born into divinity. Now, I was talking to Mick about this a couple...

No, we're born again with a restored image of God. Think back to the beginning of creation.

Well, nights ago, and so, I'll give you something to chew on, and maybe... I've never talked about this before because most people, they say, oh, you know, that's just so heavy, but it's really not heavy if it's in the Bible.

People need to know the truth. And the fact of the matter is that when we become partakers of His divine nature, death is gone.

You can't... Is he saying what I think he's saying? Yeah, he's saying it. Watch what he says here. This is really delusional. ...kill God.

You can't kill God. And so, what happens is people, they start expecting to get old, and they start expecting these... No, no, change your way of thinking.

Is it just me, or does Mel Bond look old? He doesn't look like a spring chicken to me, but apparently he's been engaging in some stinking thinking here, you know? And that's probably the reason why he got so old.

But don't worry, he's no longer embracing this idea that he has to get old.

Watch where he goes. You have divine life now that we don't have to die. Let's just stay here until the rapture takes place. I'm saying, I'm saying if it's two or three hundred more years, I'm going to be here.

What? And so, if you don't plan on saying, tell me what you want your great-great-great-grandchildren to know about you, and I'll tell them.

Yeah, you can see why this is a dumpster fire. I'll be here. Yeah. No, you're not, Mel. You don't look like you have much time left. You need to repent. This is nonsense. All right, moving on in our dumpster fire episode here, brace yourself for some heavy breathing.

Isaiah Saldivar and the Claim That Christians Are the Devil’s Worst Nightmare

We're going to be listening to Isaiah Saldivar, and he's going to say something that is really blasphemous, and he's going to say God is saying. All right? So, listen to this. I've heard other preachers preach like this, but this is the most recent example I've heard of it.

So, he's preaching at some kind of rally, a revival rally of sorts, and this is also not only blasphemous. It's delusional when you think about it, but listen to it.

Yeah, the devil's never met a Christian like you.

The devil's never met a Christian like you, he says.

There's never met somebody that knows who they are in Christ. You are the devil's worst nightmare.

No, I am not. I have to pray every day, as Jesus taught me to pray. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. I pray it every single day. Note that when Jesus taught his disciples how to pray, the Lord teach us to pray like John the Baptist taught his disciples how to pray.

Jesus said, fine, all right, when you pray, say. Here's what you say. Our Father in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread.

And by the way, every one of the petitions in the Lord's Prayer, these are petitions. They are not declarations. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.

And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. This is how Jesus taught his disciples to pray. Notice Jesus didn't tell his disciples to pray. And when you pray, know that who you are in Christ and become the devil's worst nightmare so the devil fears you.

This is nonsense. Okay? Beware, your adversary, the devil prowls around like a lion seeking people to devour. Okay? So don't think that you've got it all together. Humbly ask God, the way Christ has taught you, deliver us from the evil one.

But here, Isaiah Saldivar, it looks like he's eating a microphone there. He is, he's basically saying, oh, you're the devil's worst nightmare. This is also delusional dumpster fire material. Let me back this up.

No, he doesn't. No, he doesn't. No, it is not. Seriously, I'm positive. If we were to take like, you know, the flu virus or maybe the cold, the rhino virus, stick it in a Petri dish and, you know, put a microscope up to it and bring Isaiah Saldivar in the near vicinity of it, just standing right next to the dish.

You know, the little observation thing. And we were to pull our microscope and look at it, the virus wouldn't sit there and go, it's Isaiah Saldivar. No, this is just nonsense. So he said, I don't need a vaccine.

He says that COVID needs an Isaiah Saldivar vaccine. Seriously, dude, you're exalting yourself and not Jesus? Really? No, he's not. You're doing his work here, by the way, sir. No, you're not. Seriously, the devil's cracking up at your hubris.

Well, that's true. Jesus will destroy the devil, throw him into the lake of fire at the end, not Isaiah Saldivar. Jesus taught us to pray, to ask God for things. No, we don't. I see a creature. I'm not a deity.

Right. So you're going to know, this is a false dichotomy. If you actually believe what the Bible says, you pray and you ask God to protect you, right? That is weak pacifier Christianity. No, it's not.

It's the actual biblical Christianity that the apostles left us with. It's found in the Bible. Do you Bible, dude? You should Bible more often. The domesticated cat of the American church. Get false dichotomy here.

Now, this is the part that's really blasphemous. Notice how it says, because God says, let me back this up so you can see the transition. The cut is a hard cut made by his people. God keeps saying, why are you asking me to do things that I gave you the power to do?

Scripture tells us to ask God for things. That's what prayer is, to humbly petition, to ask God. That's what a supplication is, to humbly ask God. But watch what he says. This is what Jesus said. Now, I don't know.

This is what he said to his apostles. Oh, okay. Now you're quoting the long ending of Mark without pointing out the fact that it doesn't appear in the earliest manuscripts. Probably not part of the Bible.

Also, by the way, that story of the woman caught in the act of adultery doesn't appear in the earliest manuscripts either. Yeah, probably not part of the original. We have to stop being begging Christians.

Wow. Wow. Yet we pray daily. Give us this day our daily bread. Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. Lead us not into temptation. Deliver us from the evil one. Oh, according to Isaiah's Haldivar, Jesus is saying you need to stop being begging Christians.

Proof that whatever spirit is talking to Isaiah's Haldivar isn't the Holy Spirit. God would never say to his Christians, to his children, to his adopted children, stop being begging Christians and stop asking me for things.

Nowhere in scripture does it teach this. This is horrific. Yeah, more proof. Isaiah's Haldivar is a wolf. I mean, he doesn't really hide his wolfiness very much. He's right out there with his wolfiness.

A little bit of sheep's clothing, but he's a wolf to be sure. All right, next part of our dumpster fire, Katie Sousa. It's been a while since we've taken a look at Katie Sousa, and we're going to take a look at what the scripture says regarding the spirit of Puthona.

We'll talk about that. What is that really actually referring to? And we'll see. She has completely spun this bizarre satanic narrative that the python spirit is the enforcer of the devil, sent to wreck your finances, which is not what any biblical text says at all.

But watch what she does here. It's entertaining, blasphemously so, but listen in.

Katie Sousa, the Spirit of Python, and the Oracle at Delphi

The residual effects, the witches and the warlocks and the sorcerers, they really built their altars during this last month, and they're not—.

All right, she's talking about during the Halloween season. The witches they built, there are altars during Halloween.

Operating up the power of those altars to continue to try to curse us. And one of the things they do is they release a curse, and people don't understand this. They release a curse, and then the serpent is the enforcer that carries out the curse.

So let me see if I have this straight. So during the Halloween season, witches and warlocks create altars, and then they pronounce curses on Christians, and then serpent spirits are sent out as the enforcers who carry out the curses of the witches and the warlocks.

Says no biblical text anywhere. Do you have a biblical text for this? Because it sure does sound like mythology to me, and doesn't even sound like a remotely accurate understanding of either the demonic realm or how the occult works.

Okay, now where's the proof of that? Well, serpents and witches always work together. In Leviticus, it talks about thou shall always stone a witch, and then in the Darby version, it says a person operating in a serpentine spirit.

What does the Hebrew say? Okay, so you're going to know the text in question is Leviticus 20, 27. And at Bible Gateway, you have this ability to look up a verse and then see how multiple translations handle it.

And of course, they don't give you the Hebrew behind it, because this is not really a Hebrew resource. So, let's pull this up, and we'll go to Leviticus 20. I think that's where we're going. Hang on a second here.

20 verse 27. And we'll see if there's any serpentine spirits mentioned in the Hebrew text, which is the original language of the book of Leviticus. And so, we'll scroll down to verse 27 and see if we can make any sense of this.

The Hebrew is a little small, my eyes are old. All right, let's see here. All right. A man or a woman who is a medium, okay, or a necromancer, all right, shall surely be put to death. All right, medium.

So, the word here is ov, and that's not referring to serpents at all. Skin bottle, a necromancer, okay, necromancy, talking about diviners and things like this. No mention of serpentine spirits here in the Hebrew.

So, a medium or a necromancer, and let's take a look. This is also the word for spiritist, somebody who uses familiar spirits, either as knowing or wise, acquainted with the secrets of the unseen world.

Okay, a soothsayer. Nothing here about serpentine spirits at all. So, a man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer, shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones. Their blood shall be upon them.

All right, we've checked the Hebrew. No mention of the serpents at all, not even in passing, which also, by the way, does it shock you that Katie Sousa doesn't know Hebrew? So, you know, so, I'm just saying, you know, it's just one of those things.

So, let's take a look. So, the King James 20, 21, or the King James 21. A man or a woman who have the familiar spirit, who is a wizard, shall surely be put to death. They shall stone them with stones.

Okay. All right, let's see here. Let's, so the CSB, a man or a woman who is a medium or a spiritist, must be put to death. Got it. And I'll look at the, we did take a look at the ESV, a man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death.

Right. Okay. Every man or a woman who is a medium or a psychic must be put to death. I mean, that seems to be universally across the board. And then you get the Darby translation, which kind of heads off into the weeds.

If there be a man or a woman in whom is a spirit of Python or of divination, they shall certainly be put to death. They shall stone them with stones and their blood is upon them. This to me sounds like taking something from the New Testament and reading it into the old.

Okay. And you'll see why in a minute. But in the Hebrew, it doesn't say anything about a spirit of Python. There is no Seraphim or Nechash mentioned here. So as a result of that, this, the Darby stands out.

This is not right. In fact, this is anachronistic. If I were to say to you that Jesus's favorite food when he was growing up as a kid were microwave burritos, you would sit there and go, there were no microwave burritos at the time that Jesus was a kid on earth.