What If There Is No Pastor?

The Holy Nope

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A lot of people reacting to you who either are or have been a part of the house church movement.

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One major confusion was, you know, well, what about house churches? You can have a church in a house.

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Of course you can, and you can still have structure and leadership and officers in a house church.

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Everything, every essential ingredient can exist in any gathering place, outside, in a home.

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It's pretty wonderful that way, isn't it? Yeah. In a church. Yeah, it is. Let me ask you this, though, in regards to that.

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Is it possible for a church to exist without one pastor? Because a lot of times what happens with posts like this is that we get a lot of, what about -isms, right?

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Yes, sir. That kind of argument. What about the church that, you know, their pastor died?

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And of course, I think the actual example that was posted was like six years without a pastor. There are probably some other issues going on if a church doesn't accept a pastor for six years.

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True, yeah. But if we were to shorten that length of time, is it still a church? Yeah, that's a great question. So the first thing, a senior pastor, let's just use the nomenclature

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I'm not even comfortable with, but let's just say, because this is the majority, and we're stupid to think this is not the majority.

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Let's just say there's a senior pastor who's known, who's the face of the church, who runs the place. Got it. And he has deacons that are kind of acting as an elder council.

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Now they're not elders. They have not been ordained as elders, which is, by the way, the equivalent of pastor or overseer.

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It's like a pastoral ordination. In fact, we call our elders pastors casually around here. Our church refers to them as that.

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But let's say they have deacons who are running in the place of an elders, which is not something I recommend, but definitely common.

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Then the pastor leaves, dies. One guy leaves, dies. They are technically without the office of a pastor.

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And let's say they're small enough to where they don't have a lot of associate pastors and there's not someone to be a pastor on staff because you're talking about the dismissal, the seeming apparent dismissal of the office.

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Well, the first thing that to go back in time, the first thing that pastors should do is create more pastors around them. There should be a plurality of elders to avoid the problem by which you're mentioning.

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But let's say they didn't do that. Let's say no one is worried or thought about succession at all.

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And they're doing it the Southern Baptist way since the 1950s in Charles Finney, where they serve until some stranger comes in as very similar to them in these mannerisms.

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And then they start serving and they have a pastoral search committee made up of the deacons. And we've been through all of these things.

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We know how it goes. Well, the deacons rise up and there's still a form of office and leadership. The deacons are the ones who take the podium in the pulpit.

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There's some leadership acting that is not just some congregant randomly walking up and some guy looking around the room at the lights and going, well,

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I guess I'll talk today. So here's the plan, what we're happening. No, it's been appointed. It's been established even in the smallest of churches.

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There's a guy people's eyes are drawn to, to go, he'll probably take things.

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It's how we recognize leadership in any culture, in any concept, even in our employment. Someone has the qualifications necessary to step in until you have a pastor ordained or appointed by the people who then become either your non -vocational, bi -vocational or full -time vocational pastor, depending on what cultural context you're in.

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So I think it's kind of weird to say that you're without a pastor. You might be without an official pastor if you have no one trained, you're not dealing with a plurality of elders, which, by the way, is biblical.

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But if you, so again, the Bible saves our butts again by giving us exactly what we should be doing.

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So now we're off away in our own way and going, we're creating our whataboutisms out of our mistakes.

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Like, well, so what about, what if there's only one pastor in the whole place and he dies?

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Are we not a pastor now? Well, you were wrong in not having a bunch of pastors.

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Yeah. But you were wrong. So, yeah, so because you were wrong and not having a bunch of pastors around who could be a part of that leadership if something happens to a guy, then, yeah, temporarily, no, you are not revoked being a church because you have someone in place there to serve as leadership until eventually you appoint someone else to serve at that office.