Beyond The Basics 8: Spiritual Gifts (part 2)

Father it is a joy to be here this morning to be among your people to just Know that we are precisely where you desire us to be. Because we're here. This is your decree from before the foundation of the world more.

We just pray that this morning would be pleasing and honoring to you Lord, would you turn us again and again to your word as we look through these difficult issues of healing and speaking in tongues and Really issues that confound the church even today Lord.

Would you bless this time in Christ's name? Amen. Well Quite a quite a day yesterday. I'm sure I'll say I'm sure Michael mentioned this and then of course Michael never mentioned it, but you guys will have the inside scoop.

We went down to Newtown yesterday to for the Ordination Council of their new pastor down there Bill Shannon was down there Ted Bigelow and We just had a great time and Joey Newton is his name and Joey.

Joey was kind of embarrassing to me because. You know these Bible knowledge questions. What's the theme of this book? What's the outline of that book? And he didn't even let the guys finish their questions, and he was throwing out the answers, and it was he did a great job anyway.

The Church at Corinth and the Goal of Edification

Last week we brought up some difficult issues, and I thought I would follow up on some of them this week. Let's first go. Let's go to the Bible, it's a good place to go. 1st Corinthians. When in doubt that's something I learned in seminary when in doubt go to the Bible.

It's a pretty good motto. Let's go to 1st Corinthians 14 and I'm going to start reading in verse 4 Paul writing now if you know I just want to set this much context. I'm not going to set a lot of context here.

Let me ask it in the form of a question the church at Corinth. Is this a church that had its act together? So negative. What were some of the problems in the church in Corinth. Disunity definitely you know I am of I am of I am of you know they're all carrying around banners.

Charlie. Okay, they were trying to basically Christianize what they used to do and that they should have waited till Constantine did the same thing a couple hundred years later, right? Any anything else was that?

Disorderly, I mean it was bedlam in there Paul. There was sexual immorality and worse than that. I mean there's sexual immorality all over the place, but worse than the fact that there were sexual immorality was the church was aware of it and Didn't do anything about it.

What else look in great point. Daniel they had a. They were misapplying the spiritual gift gifts. They were all about themselves, and that's where we are this morning. As we go to chapter 14 Let me begin reading in verse 4 one who speaks in the tongue edifies himself.

But one who prophesies edifies the church. Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues. But even more that you would prophesy and greater is one who prophesies Than one who speaks in tongues unless he interprets so that the church may receive edifying.

Again, just notice. Let me stop right there for a second notice what the focus is always. That the church may be edified that the church may be build up Verse 6 but now brethren if I come to you speaking in tongues.

What will I profit you unless I speak to you either by way of revelation or of knowledge or prophecy or of teaching. Yet even lifeless things either flute or harp in producing a sound if they do not produce a distinction in the tone.

How will it be known? What is played on the flute or the harp for if the bugle plays an indistinct sound? Who will prepare himself for a battle? So also you unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear.

How will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air there are perhaps a great many kinds of languages in the world and No kind is without meaning if I if then I do not know the meaning of the language I will be to the one who speaks a barbarian and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me.

So also you since you are zealous of spiritual gifts seek to abound for the edification of the church now let me just Give you a few notes here from MacArthur and then we'll have a little discussion and then we'll move on to James 5 and then I want to take a kind of a different jet tour through the book of Acts, but MacArthur says that the type of tongues the Corinthians practiced the Corinthian Church.

Listen to this. I love this had no edifying value at all. Why does he say that? Well think about it. Paul indicates right here, you know as a barbarian which was as we've heard Mike do this before, you know.

The bar bar bar bar it was repetitious. It was meant to signify that they were just babbling that they were doing nothing of value for other people. And they were also not speaking to God. There's no private prayer language ever indicated in The Bible.

MacArthur notes this here says the Bible records no instance of believers speaking to God in anything. But normal intelligible language, you know, this was a good point says even in Jesus great high sleep.

I Told you I'm tired high priestly prayer in John 17 in which the son poured out his heart to the father. When deity communed with deity the language is remarkably simple and clear. There's no gibberish there.

No kind of pagan. In fact, I think I may have mentioned that before that that's what the pagan world did in fact that book we read for for my class the author and The title of the book and everything else escapes me at the moment.

Wait a minute. I have it on here in my notes. What is it? Okay satisfied by the spirit by Thomas Edgar. Exactly and He notes he goes through all of history and he says listen the idea of Babbling or of an unknown language and that classified being classified as speaking in tongues only occurs in pagan religions.

What Carther goes on? He says the carnal Corinthians, however. Were much more interested in the sophisticated than the simple in the mysterious rather than the edifying. They did not care that no one understands or literally no one hears.

Their concern was for the excitement and the self Gratification of speaking mysteries in the spirit. They did not care that the mysteries had no meaning to themselves or to anyone else. Just a couple more notes.

Because even true tongues must be interpreted in order to be understood they talking about. These tongues cannot possibly edify anyone including the person speaking without such interpretation. They cannot therefore be intended by God for private devotional use as many Pentecostals and Charismatics claim.

Why many people wondered. Did Paul say I wish that you all spoke in tongues. He had been warning them about their abuse of tongues and. As beginning a chapter devoted to showing the inferiority of tongues.

Why would he have wanted the problem to be compounded by getting everyone involved? He says. But Paul was wishing the impossible for the sake of emphasis. Now listen to this. He knew that all Christians did not have the same gifts.

First Corinthians 1230. All do not have the gifts of healings. Do they all do not speak with tongues. Do they all do not interpret. Do they. And the answer to all those is no. The Apostle certainly was not suggesting that his wisdom was even greater than that of the Holy Spirit.

Who works all things. This is 1st Corinthians 1211. Who works all things? Distributing to each one individually just as he wills talking about spiritual gifts the Holy Spirit sovereign. Not everyone could speak in tongues anyway.

Because it is the Holy Spirit who gives them these gifts and we've as I just said All do not have the gift of tongues. That was also in 1st Corinthians 12. Paul simply was making it clear that he did not despise the genuine gift of tongues the true manifestation of that which is God.

If the Holy Spirit chose to endow every one of you with the gift of tongues. He was saying that would be fine with me, but that was not the case. Anyway, just some additional notes about SP. Oh What one more thing and then I'll get to you when he goes on and the verses.

I just read they're talking about The harp the bugle and all those things. They have a distinct sound a distinct purpose in their sound and MacArthur notes in the same way in other words It if it was an indistinct sound when the bugle sounded nobody prepared themselves for battle.

Paul writes. In the same way we cannot communicate Christian truth through meaningless sounds. I Mean if you're waiting to hear a specific bugle call for battle and instead, you know, the guy breaks out his harmonica.

You're not going to know how to react. The Corinthians were so carnally self-centered that they could not have cared less about communication. They were interested in impressing others and burnishing their own Accomplishments, you know feathering their own nests building their own resumes.

However, you want to phrase it Daniel? Well, I think there I think there I you know, I don't know that Specifically, but my take and that would be that is my initial response that would be that seems to be the case because it seemed like It was really important that you have these kind of flashy Gifts.

So yeah, I think that's probably right. Anyone else on speaking in tongues anybody want to interpret anything I'm saying Bruce Mm-hmm. Well, I think they had to do them in a specific order. I think you know, I've known Churches, I've been in churches where they held to this biblical model listen if somebody says raise their hand says I've got a tongue then someone else would have to raise their hand and say I have an interpretation.

You know, and so I I think if you want to say that those are for today, that would be The way to go, but I think the the overarching Theme here is the again the inferior inferiority of tongues and if we look at first Corinthians 14 22 Paul says so then tongues are for a sign not to those who believe but to unbelievers.

And so It would make you it would make you wonder a little bit if the purpose of gathering on Sunday Is to edify the body to equip the Saints for the work of ministry. Then what would be the purpose of speaking in tongues on Sunday, you know, and certainly You know if he says here that that is a sign for unbelievers and we're gathering for believers a little bit difficult to understand so John There are different views on that I mean MacArthur definitely takes the view that MacArthur says that it is preaching prophecy is the telling forth of God's Word, although It's interesting note.

He doesn't call himself a prophet. So and then there are some that say You know that we do have prophets today, but they're just lesser prophets that they can be wrong. That there's a lesser gift of prophecy.

So Any other questions about speaking in tongues? Are we going to fade it away? Right. Yeah, and and I think that's what the point was trying to make last week when you talk about prophecy speaking in tongues.

The you know, the the gifts that the sign gifts that were given to Affirm the message of the Apostles to establish the church. I mean look at speaking in tongues, you know, I mean We talked about it last week, you know, you go from a hundred and twenty people in the church to three thousand one hundred and twenty On one day.

That's a pretty good deal. And you know it came about on the day of Pentecost and was the message of the gospel Was affirmed by speaking in tongues and they heard them in their own language and as I said last week that is the one passage in all of Scripture where we actually get the mechanics of how speaking in tongues worked so.

Sign Gifts, Cessationism, and the Purpose of Tongues

And note the ED on the end there because you know my it's my position that they have ceased so. And I'm not gonna throw anybody Out of the church that they don't agree with me. First of all, I don't have that power and Secondly, it's just not a major issue.

I you know when I taught the charismatic theology class I tried to be very careful about this. I mean I had the students Pat was in the class. So I I wanted to have them sign a disclaimer. I'm not saying charismatics are not Christians.

There are many wonderful charismatic people, you know within the Christian Church, you know. There's some really good teachers, you know. And so I went up on the board and I said, you know, John Piper CJ Mahaney and Help me out.

What's that? Yeah, I'm mrs. MacArthur. Yeah, she's not really a but you know, here are the really good Charismatics that we agree on on the main thing, which is the gospel you know, I mean we don't separate on issues of Speaking in tongues and those kind of things we separate over the gospel.

We don't separate on Eschatology, you know, there are many people that we would disagree with on eschatology and we don't say Oh that guy's not in my camp because that's really a secondary issue. Yes, Daniel so where's the line between well and again, you know, I just I Wouldn't really draw the line in terms of sinful behavior what I would say Having been in a church where they did try to do things well in an order I would commend them for at least looking at the prescriptions that are given here and saying, you know What we need to follow those.

Now now I would say if you're going to a place that is absolute bedlam. Then you violated the end of the chapter where Bruce was just reading where you know Things are not being done in good order, you know, people are flopping around if you go to a church and they say it's carpet Time.

I think it's time to leave that. Now if you does anybody not know where that that means carpet time. I don't want anybody to go. I don't understand. Okay, I Had this experience. I had a friend who was at this charismatic church and he said, you know what I'm really he goes I feel like I'm the only non-charismatic at a charismatic church.

And of course my answer was leave and he didn't want to do that. So he said do me a favor. Would you come with me Friday night? It was a different place. It's called the Mott auditorium in Pasadena and it was Friday night.

There were about 900 people there. It was sweltering. It was like New England hot. It was very warm, but anyway, they had they had all kinds of things going on and then eventually, you know. Once the speaker got done distorting scripture.

He said he said, okay. He said, okay, it's carpet time and they opened I mean it was a big basketball arena and they opened these curtains and they had these huge carpets rolled out and back and they said, okay, we need people to volunteer to be catchers and.

So people volunteer to be catchers and then they everybody's lined up and they started whacking people with the spirit and people were rolling around and writhing on the ground and you know roaring like lions and barking like dogs and you know crawling like hyenas whatever, you know, whatever and.

And so that's what I'm saying. I'm going to you know, if you go to a place like that and you're an unbeliever you think they're insane if you go there as a believer you think these people are insane, but I.

It was it was it was difficult because we're standing there I mean we're both cops and we weren't packing but We're standing there and and we're just kind of watching, you know, we're not we're not saying anything we're just watching.

We're just very much in investigative mode and there's this little Asian girl. She was really probably five feet and 85 pounds. She's standing behind us too. And we're just kind of watching and I look back at her and all of a sudden she starts going.

And and and her face just starts changing and then she starts growling and roaring and I'm like You know, it was just it was unsettling. So that's what carpet time is anyway, it's that idea of you know, slaying people the spirit flopping around doing all that stuff.

Acts 2, Acts 8, and the Foundational Role of Tongues

Scripture yeah, I mean just to Build off what you just said, you know, he said that sometimes if you're in a charismatic Church The pastor will give a key word and people will volitionally begin Manifesting the spirit and I just thought you know while I was listening to you describe that I thought that really does sound like what?

I say a key word and then your behavior changes. Let's say hypnosis. You know, I'm gonna put you under and then you know Da-da-da-da-da and then as I'm bringing you out, I say by the way when you hear the word carrot.

You're gonna start acting like a bunny right. So I yeah, I find that disconcerting. And you know same Holy Spirit. Yes, and I think You know, I I think the problem with many cares, you know again many dear brothers and sisters in Christ who?

Love the Lord who are in these churches and Sometimes may be confused about different things, but that doesn't mean that they're not Christians. I think they The difficulty comes in, you know, my wife.

I like to say I married a charismatic because she was in a four-square church and You know their response was oh, well he's going to grace community church. Well, you know it. At least at least they love the Lord kind of thing, you know, they don't have the Holy Spirit, but you know I don't know how that works.

How do you not have the Holy Spirit? How are you know, so Difficult but I Think that I think there are certainly difficulties and excesses and you know, I think with any system there could be excesses.

You know not being open to any kind of Holy Spirit. You know leading or whatever I Don't know. I don't want to get too touchy-feely here. But I I think there are just I think there are some kind of That they are given to excesses in some ways and I think you know other people can be given to other excesses.

So I think it's always good to check ourselves against Scripture and you know as far as the gifts go again, I would make the argument and I'm going to make another argument about healing here in a minute, but I Think the argument can be made that Speaking in tongues was for a given period.

To establish the truth and then we don't see it really talked about recorded after that period is over, so Other comments on speaking times. Yeah. Yeah, she's saying that they went to a church, you know sound Statement of faith and all that and then after the service, you know, he said, okay.

It's time to start speaking in tongues and people just we're not you know. They started for you know about half an hour and I'm going so what is that? You know you start speaking in tongues and then you stop.

Okay, it's over. Let's all go home. I don't I don't know I don't know how that works, but Daniel well, I and I think I think I think Paul, you know basically was right in the Corinthian Church and saying, you know, there are some excesses here and you guys need to trim your sails you need to tighten up and so I think speaking in tongues Daniel says, you know can be of yourself or of a demon and I I.

Well, let's put it this way if let's say for the sake of argument that it is of yourself. Can you delude yourself into believing that you're doing something good? Even if you're not I? Think the answer is yes, so.

Yeah, throw me a line pastor Dave. You. That's right. You. What. What. Yeah, and and Dave's exactly right talking about. You know if everyone was meant to speak in tongues, even if we believe that that gift was for today then we'd have a real a real problem because then not only.

Well first, let's go back to the idea of a second blessing that that's somehow that's a manifestation of the second blessing. Which really doesn't isn't a biblical concept but if everyone is meant to speak in tongues that you've got a problem because a of the Holy Spirit gives out the gifts as He wills be not everybody has the same gifts even as pastor Dave was saying if everybody spoke in tongues, then.

What's the benefit to the body? Well, what if everybody had the gift of teaching? I mean just imagine here if we have 300 teachers on Sunday morning, we'd have a problem. You know pastor Mike could have to make that list out for the next six seven years.

Okay. You know so-and-so be teaching on such-and-such a date and we'd never get anything done. Everybody had the gift of leadership. Everybody had the gift of you know, fill in the blank. We'd have we'd have a really awkward and out of balance church the whole idea of the church is that much like the human body as Pastor Dave was saying and even as first Corinthians 12 Says when the body works in harmony when its various parts work together that's when the body of Christ is a fearful thing in the hands of a living God, so.

Exactly good point any other notes on speaking in tongues? Yes. Excellent point fruit of the Spirit self-control Galatians so here we have a situation where people basically exercise. They're encouraged let's put it this way they're encouraged not to exercise self-control, you know go flopper on.

I mean first of all, where do we see that? Where we see that kind of behavior in Scripture where people flop around uncontrollably. When the demon possessed, you know, and we don't see that as you know, here's a manifestation of the Holy Spirit.

You will not be in control of your body. I If anybody knows that verse I'm willing to be corrected right now. I don't know where that is. In fact the fruit of the Spirit is self-control. Yes, Carol. Well when we read through acts 2 I think last week and and yeah, I think that is where people get it.

But I think again the interesting part to me is not that the Holy Spirit came upon the whole church. That's. That's to be anticipated. But came upon them in a special way and remembering that this is what Jesus had promised.

That the Holy Spirit would come upon the church in a special way, but I think the most interesting. Well, the the two most interesting things is this number one in Acts 2. Okay in verse 6 and When the sound occurred the rushing sound the crowd came together and were bewildered because each one of them was hearing them speak these Galileans in his own language.

They were amazed and astonished and they they go on to describe it. But and what were they hearing what they're hearing was? Testimonies about God about his greatness and the things that he had accomplished.

So that's the first thing that I think is amazing is that they actually understood unlike today, you know. The way speaking in tongues is practice. It's meaningless. It edifies. No one in the church and it doesn't reach out.

I mean Let's say I know that there are a number of I think there are Armenians who like to hang out a particular Starbucks is not what they are Armenians or Georgians, whatever wherever they're from Albanians, that's where they're from all those a things running together Albanians and You know if if the Holy Spirit was to rush upon members of the church there so that they could understand the gospel in Albania and that would be a marvelous thing, but that isn't what speaking in tongues is.

Practiced as today in the church. It really is. Bar bar bar bar. It's a it's a meaningless repetition of things. But the second thing is Look what happens after that? It's not the event and then stop.

Everybody doesn't just go home and go wasn't that cool how the Spirit came upon us and we were unable to do these great things. They don't go home and worship and relish the experience. What happens next is Peter seizes the moment and does what?

Preaches the gospel. That was the whole point. The point wasn't you know, hey. We're gonna go and dazzle these unbelievers with our ability to babble incoherently. It was the Holy Spirit rushing on them.

Why to set the stage for Peter's message. This was the preparatory work of the Holy Spirit in order to convict souls and usher them into the kingdom of God. We don't see anything like that in the charismatic movement today.

Nothing. Bruce. Yes, that would be very sad if they read it in Mark 16 and got I'm gonna guess it's after verse 8. And you know again I I don't want to I need to write a book review for this book By Edgar because it is so great because he goes through and he says listen he even takes he doesn't even Go through what I'm about to say.

He just goes through mark 16 and says fine. And he just explains it all and he does a great job much better job than I'm going to do. What verse did you have in mind in particular? 16 to 18. Oh, why don't you go ahead and read those?

Okay a few things. I think it's interesting when people want to kind of hopscotch through this and I say hopscotch through it. Why? Why would I say hopscotch through it? Yeah, they take out what they like.

They like the whole healing and casting out demons and things but you know. Those same people who are claiming healings and claiming that they're casting out demons. We don't really see them. Hey, you got any poison out there bring it on up here and I'll just guzzle it down.

You know, you want to see a demonstration of the power of God. Watch this. What's the problem with Mark 16 verses 9 to the end of the chapter? They're not the original text. And that's a pretty big problem.

Yeah. Yeah, not. Yeah. That's that's a good clarification. Not me. Yeah, not the best manuscript shall we say but I think the These signs will accompany those who have believed in my name. They will cast out demons.

They will Speak with new tongues. They will pick up serpents and if they I think all of that There are a number of Issues too many issues for me to go into but I mean the number one thing is I would just say that's not the best Manuscripts and I don't know too many people who take that as Scriptural but secondly, you know, if you want to take one part of it, you need to take all of it.

And then I There are other contextual issues where you look through and you go I don't think it really means what people want it to mean. You know that this is how believers are to act now, but do you have anything you wanted to add on that.

Bruce, okay Paul I'll get you in a sec Mike. Typically they're they're marked out with. Yeah, yeah nine and following oh you just met there yeah, yeah 9 through 20 the older ones which are well Sinaiticus, yeah, I'm thinking of there are the Byzantine and the Alexandrian texts are the best ones the Alexandrian texts out are older and Generally speaking they're they're better.

What's it? No, Texas Receptus is a real mess the the TR Texas Receptus Which is what the King James is based on was does anybody know who put that together? Erasmus Erasmus believer unbeliever. Unbeliever, that's problem number one, you know, I mean Problem number two is he didn't have a complete copy of Revelation.

So he took the Latin Translated it back into the Greek and then translate, but I mean he did all kinds of Mickey Mouse things. So the TR not Theodore Roosevelt, but Texas Receptus has some some real problems.

Plus it wound up with the I mean, I'm gonna get esoteric here the Yohannin comma, which you know I think has only been found in one manuscript ever and we're Erasmus eventually put that in and so just a lot of problems with the.

Yeah, you guys care about that? Okay, so. Yes, Dottie. Yes, we could say that and I would agree with that. Totally Dottie was saying we not say that those things were fulfilled in the early church and that's what I would say.

But I don't really want to take the time to go through that. So she summarized it very nicely. I would agree Michael. I want to I want to just amplify what you said, Michael. Michael said, you know Moses didn't go to Pharaoh and say hey check out these things that I can do.

That wasn't his point. He didn't he you know, it wasn't some cool parlor trick or something else. You know, he just kind of you know, let me show you this. The whole point was to demonstrate the power of God to demonstrate that he was God's messenger not to inflate himself.

But so that God might be glorified when the things that Moses said came to pass. It was always the signs and wonders the miracles that we see in the Bible are always to glorify God not so that we might Go whoo that Moses.

He could sure part the Red Sea. That was never the points. Never the points. Yes, it's a good point kind of a Reverse Tower of Babel thing good. Babel Babel you say Babel I say Babel. See. We Had another question, I don't know if we're gonna get to this quiz Here or not, you know, I'll email it out this week, but We had another question come up any other comments about speaking tongues.

Daniel, yeah how they got the How they spoken times? Yeah, he's talking about an axe eight. See if we can. Okay, verse 14, right now when the talking about how the Sumerians received the word and then they Wind up speaking in tongues.

Let me just read that now when the Apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the Word of God. Now keep in mind. What is Samaria? Not s o m e a r e a but Some area but Samaria. What is Samaria, yeah, they're dogs they're mongrels they're you know, this is this is you know There's only one thing worse than being a Gentile.

It's being a Gentile and a Jew, you know kind of a mixed race and Not only a mixed race but a mixed religion where they took in bits of paganism and parts of Judaism and They were hated by the Jews and the Jews would go out of their way not to travel into Samaria so this was a I mean it I don't even know, you know, it would be like You know me saying at the height of the Cold War, you know, I think I'm gonna go vacation in the Soviet Union and you go.

What's wrong with you, you know? Which would be a valid question. Verse 14 now when the Apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the Word of God. They sent them Peter and John. So the Apostles are gonna send Peter and John to find out what's going on.

Who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit for he had not yet fallen upon them. They had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they began laying their hands on them and they were receiving the Holy Spirit.

Now some say well, you know there you have it. There's the evidence of the second blessing. What's the response to that? Okay, putting the Samarians under apostolic authority. I think that's right Charlie.

Yeah, I would say if we looked at it, I Would say there's more going on there, but that is true. That they might receive the Holy Spirit. I think there's. But what what is that? Let me see if What does MacArthur say see I'm gonna say it is speaking in tongues but What is filled with the Holy Spirit.

So Anyway, whether it is speaking in tongues or not, it can be interpreted that way. What would you say to someone who said that's evidence of the that there is a second gift that you know. You get saved and then you get Speaking in tongues gift of the Holy Spirit.

John okay. Well, I does received necessarily mean believed. I Don't know how you receive them and don't believe but. Okay, okay there there could be that there could be that okay. Right, they've been baptized so if they hadn't believed yet they'd have to be re-baptized at least be a member here.

John. Exactly, right. John. Exactly, right. This is an exceptional event. We have even in within the book of Acts because typically what happened is people Believed and they were accepted right into the church and there's this cultural barrier.

It's kind of like when Peter has this Dream, you know arise kill and eat in Acts, you know, does that mean we should all have the You know some kind of dream like that. No, the point of that was listen, all these dietary laws have been set aside and The point here is that these Samaritans I almost said Samaritans these Samaritans hated by the Jews in Christ are welcome in the church and To show you that we're gonna show you that the Holy Spirit has visited them.

Just as he visited you on the day of Pentecost same thing. So the Apostles go down there and they investigate it and they go, you know, I mean, I don't know how they came back. They might have said well, I don't know what to tell you guys.

But yeah, they're Christians or they could have been like. And I'm sure this is probably more like it brothers. It was with great joy we tell you that the Samaritans are indeed our brothers and sisters in Christ.

Sure, I probably wouldn't take it that way because I think if I if I know where you're going with the binding and loosing I think that has to do more with church discipline, but the I think the bigger issue is what John was saying that this is God's way of affirming to a primarily I Think almost exclusively Jewish Church at this point that these Samaritans are indeed You know members of the church members of the body of Christ a unique thing and that's something you know again.

What someone says if there are one? Foundational passage for proving a bit of doctrine is in the book of Acts. You know, there's a there's it's almost as bad as you know. The only reason I can tell you that you should not get a tattoo is Leviticus.

I mean and frankly, there aren't really many very many good scriptures on that. But I I think if the only argument you can bring is a unique like John said Unique passage in Acts that is meant for a specific purpose and that's what you build your entire.

You know, you get saved and then later on there's a second blessing the filling of the Holy Spirit speaking in tongues. I think you've got a pretty weak case other comments, otherwise, we're gonna have to wait for James 5 and my whole acts tour of healings and everything else is gonna have to wait till next week.

Any other questions on speaking times? That's a good point, too. Even if it was a second blessing, what are you gonna do calling the Apostles? Hey, can you guys come down here and give us a that's a that's an excellent point, you know again.