August 14, 2019 Show with David Horowitz on “Dark Agenda: The War to Destroy Christian America” AND Gary DeMar on “How Christians Should Engage in Battle in the War to Destroy the Christian Influence Upon America”

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Wishing you all a happy Tuesday on this 14th day of August 2019. I'm sorry today is Wednesday on this Wednesday August 14th 2019 and I am thrilled to have both a First-time guest today and one of my favorite returning guests the the first guest that we have on today.

For the first half hour of iron sharpens iron radio is not only a first guest for me on this program. But it's a first timer. I have interviewed Christian Jews and Orthodox Jews. But I've never interviewed an agnostic Jewish individual before that I can remember and all the years I've done iron sharpens iron radio going back to 2005.

But there is a unique situation here. Although my guest David Horowitz is an agnostic Jew. He cherishes the Christian roots of America and he has written a book to talk about the war to destroy Christian America, it's called dark agenda.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio David Horowitz.

Thank you for the introduction.

Well, let's say go ahead. I'm sorry.

Somebody else who gets that. It would be interesting to have an agnostic Jew and former radical write a book about the war.

Against Christian. Yes a radical liberal.

Well, I was never a liberal. If you asked me what I was when I was on the left I would have told you I was from people who tell you they're progressive.

Lying.

And they're deceiving you. My parents were card-carrying members of the Communist Party. And I never heard them or their friends ever use the word communist to these progressives. Now 19 for the election of.

1948.

By left-wing Democrats, and we have a lot of distorted history. Unfortunately, it's yes.

Yes.

You know.

I.

Coming in as an outsider was very useful. I mean, I learned a lot but I think people first of all, I think my witness Ability than a witness say of an actual Christian. Because if you're a Christian you have a stake already you you you have a religious faith and you want to defend it but dog in that fight, but I did recognize when I came out of the left and Looked at America.

Well, first of all, I realized that you can't have an inalienable, right? Life or live one that no one could take away unless there's a God. Give it to you because it's Government gives it to you or somebody like Maxine Waters or Bernie Sanders Grant's you were right, you know when you look at them crosswise, they'll take it away.

So that was a bit, you know, it's very agnostic that was a challenge. It's not that I I'm not an atheist. I don't know that there's no atheist Can know it's a faith. But I realized you have to have a with the idea of God and the respect for police people who believe in God In order to defend your freedoms.

You can't argue it another way after you argue that you have this inalienable right to life or Liberty. If there is no God, you really can't. So I began with that and then when you look at it every freedom that we cherish every value that we hold really dearly.

Equality.

Diversity. Now, how did the change in you begin from being a socialist Marxist radical to Coming to the point where you now oppose those ideas.

Well, I think they're evil.

How did you come to that? How did you come to that? Realize a black panther party murdered by friend.

Blamed it on white people. And then. Shortly after that I wrote about this in a book called radical fun. Then a few, you know. Actually about two months after her body was discovered in San Francisco Bay.

The communist.

America had a retreat from the Vietnam War because of the communist I mean like they like to call it an anti-war. America left and the communist proceeded to slaughter two and a half billion. Innocent in those that Chinese because they thought that they would You know carry the bad ideas of the paper wasn't one protest.

Against the slaughter of the very evil movement where they think they can create a perfect world. And if you get in your way, you're in their way. You're expendable.

How long ago did this radical change take place after the murder of the 70s?

This woman disappeared in December 74 and her body was fished by an America left the 75. So a lot to shake me from my. But you could see how the art to shake Alexandria court. These people have the same evil ideas now.

It is a big leap to come to disagree.

With Marxist Leninist communism and also socialism and all things left and.

To.

Actually come to the place where you revere Christianity, even though you're not a Christian yourself. What are those ideas?

Revere is too strong a term here. Look, let me summarize it. Probation. You couldn't get to heaven except by going through the Catholic Church and its priesthood but the Protestant Reformers realized.

That.

Churches are just human institutions and they're subject to the corruptions. That all individuals are subject to that. We all have to fight. We have to fight to be honest. For example, I mean it's take the simple but in some ways most important human corruption, which is lying.

Everybody does it? But lies are assuming that every lie is there as we know. But you have to be on guard it if your back is against the wall. You're likely to commit crimes to get yourself out of them.

They can predicament and certainly to lie to save your skin. The Protestants came up with this idea. You know when they rejected the priesthood as the authority of their relationship to God. And they came up with this idea of the priesthood of all believers.

Which is the radical idea that created America. 98 of the founders of America people who settled this continent and created America. Were Protestant Christians and of course there were many Protestant Christian sects and they were all fleeing persecution by established religions that is on the government.

For example in England, you know when he behead his wife, he changed the religion overnight. But it became an Anglican religion and they persecuted. So would you think of that idea of a priesthood of all believers?

That that's a radical equality. That means everybody whatever their color or origin.

Right, and of course the Protestants Protestants believe that that is a Biblical concepts from the New Testament. That they didn't invent it but well.

Until they came along right?

Idea of the right. Right. Yes. It was obscured by the Roman Catholic Church for sure. But the point is.

The point is when they created America immediately that included black slaves and.

And.

The kind of the Declaration of Independence. Our purpose to make it is very clear. All men are created equal that includes black slaves. Within 20 years first of all, the northern states have freed their slaves.

The slave trade had been abolished. It was an incredible Revolution. We have all these leftists today talking about America's original sin. Like Cory Booker. It was an idiot. Being slavery, you know, it wasn't the English Instituted the slave system in America.

Americans were. America was a very radical idea that all men are created equal. It took a generation and 350 ,000 Union lines. Finally free all the slaves. But if you look at it that way since slavery was a normal institution for 3 ,000 years.

Nobody ever condemned it. Morally until Wilberforce and Jefferson came along America's the greatest gift that was given to black people. But three thousand in 3 ,000 years Americans should be proud of their heritage and I refer to the sin of slavery.

And there's a you know, of course a little. Why didn't they do it overnight, you know, just do it in a 1787 in the Constitution just outlawed slavery. But it would have been attacked by the slave South which almost whatever it was 80 years later.

And and the South would have aligned with the British Empire. The most powerful empire in the world that had burned the White House in 1812, so it couldn't be done overnight. You know one thing that I really can't stay able today particularly on the left it.

You know, they're so self-righteous. They know what was right and stuff and anybody who didn't agree with them, you know 200 years later. Back in 70 76 deserves to be condemned. It's so easy to fight dead people.

They can't answer back. That's where we are in this country.

The Rise of the Left and the Loss of Christian Roots

Now how long. How long ago did this dark agenda in your opinion from your research from your understanding? How long ago did this dark agenda to wage war to destroy Christian America begin?

Well, I think it's always been there, but you know Dark agenda. I I start with the 60s because it's when a Supreme Court decision outlawed prayer in the schools. Which wound up outlawing religion in the school for a hundred seventy year much for start.

No. Where their freedom comes from or what the reasoning was behind it denied them didn't make the rain. Which he doesn't understand the Constitution so scorey booker who went to what we have to get rid of doesn't mention the words black Wormwood and the whole the Democrats they want to get rid of their electoral college.

Senate.

Because they're not Democratic. It's not one person one vote. Why did they want it? Because they didn't trust the people on the one hand they said You know monarchy is bad because it leads to a tyranny.

Can't just be authority in one person. So they made the people sovereign and then they tied their hands with checks and balances. All I do is the electoral college is to force the radical coast. To have to win votes in the Midwest.

So they learn how to compromise. So we have a peaceful society. Instead of anarchy in the streets, which the Democrats are physically fomenting these days.

Now.

That most leftists and liberals perpetuate this understanding of conservative evangelical Christianity that We have a motive to basically turn this nation into a theocracy and therefore Those that are outside of the Christian religion are going to lose all their rights.

They really have a very dramatic and frightening.

Well, I know they don't begin to understand. Of course not. Why is America a second public? Because it was created by Protestant Christians who were who? You know, there were many Protestant sects and they had been persecuted by each other.

So they didn't want a theocracy and people who say that are just ignorant. It's just rampant ignorance on the left. And one of the reasons is the left has taken over our schools purge conservatives from the faculties, but you know, so they lowered the you know, if you if you Eliminated the liberal arts colleges in this country.

You would raise the IQ level of the country. Immediately because you have these idiot ideologues. For example, I spoke at Dartmouth. Well, I didn't speak because they made it a circus, I mean it. Came to the event turned on their computers and played porn Films as loud as they could to obstruct my speech with thinking, you know, they turned it into a circus.

But I was told by the conservative students there that the course in the Cold War war with the slave Empire Soviet Union. The teacher who teaches that is a Marxist who identifies with The slave system.

Soviet.

That that's the sad state of our university that most people don't quite realize that.

But that's the truth. So you and I. Are you an optimist?

Cortez he graduated from college.

Now are you an optimist or a pessimist in this war against the Christian America.

You know.

And just just to just to just to clarify something I I do make a distinction between a theocracy and ecclesiocracy. Because I know that the founders did not want a specific denomination. To have authority and establish a religion here.

But at the same time I do believe that they wanted the law of God to dominate in the yeah.

But they're but they're but they they're they're against an Orthodox view of God. They have to respect being Protestant. That all churches and all religions are subject to corruption by individual. Right right there.

They were against the sectarian government theocracy.

Unless you have an official religion, right. And they were against that. Yes.

So what what are you.

No idea of that. There are more they're trying. Look why is Chick-fil-a being denied. Go as an airport because they because they serve their chicken. No, it's because with their philanthropic arms. Support vital 1c3 that express Christian views.

That's one can suppress Christianity. For the left religious freedom means you can have any religious view you want. But just keep it to yourself. That's the end of the First Amendment.

Any religion that you want accepts evangelical Christianity, and of course they have their own religion. Their own religion.

The people who would.

Accuse.

Christians of wanting to establish theocracy or to be a crap themselves. Yes.

Yes, exactly what I was just trying to say. Yes. Now, what is your Counsel. What were your ideas on how the citizens of this country are to combat this as a as an.

The biggest problem is that there are a lot of Christians. What politics is ugly problems are. In the book I show where well the weight which is the most atrocious Supreme Court decision of all. And if you wonder why the Supreme Court is making so many dead decisions evil ones.

Inventing right that don't exist dividing the country. Think of it this way. Think of what the Supreme Court is. It's nine lawyers for life by politicians. How could that go wrong?

So I.

You know the evangelical community saved this country by electing Trump. And showed that they're not mindless people. I mean Trump hasn't exactly led the most Christian of lives.

But.

Religious people are actually smart. Leftists have contempt and they're incredibly bigoted this jerk. What did you? Who attacked? The attacks. Trump and when Buttigieg came out as Gay and introduced his husband Pence went out of his way to praise him for being mayor of The South Bend which he doesn't deserve it.

South Bend is a mess. But it was a very generous Christian gesture that Pence made to him and this jerk is attacking as a bigot. Because he's a defender of religious freedom.

Now, let me ask you a question as an agnostic Jew. Are you personally offended when Christians like myself have a passion to see all men whether they are Jew Muslim Whatever religion or non-religion they happen to embrace we want to see all Men to come to faith in Jesus Christ so that they may receive.

But you don't. You don't view this as bigotry or hatred. You view this as love. Don't you that we would want you to Share and what we know.

Is why Christians will go across You know the soul of America or Americans by fighting these Anti-religious bigots. Don't call them liberals. They've been picked. If bigots is what they are I mean if you read in my book how how Obama pursued the little sisters of the poor it's unbelievable.

These were you know middle-aged nuns taking care of the elderly poor since the 15 Obama administration. Required them to hand out condoms. They don't even have childbearing women that they're taking care of.

And they and they wouldn't let they wanted to destroy. Because they were religious they they forced them to go up to the so God knows how much money. People have to understand how sinister the left is and I mean it running for the Democratic nomination.

Yeah, I like. I like the way that you distinguish between liberal and leftist because most people don't. They they will call liberal.

Only liberals in America are.

Republicans and conservative classic liberals. Yeah.

Not just classic. The Democrats have been picked if they get. If you disagree with them, you know whether America should have borders or not. They call you a racist, right? That is not liberal, right?

Said I haven't been able to visit a university in 20 years. We're out of bodyguard. That's not liberal. That's right. Universities are not liberal totalitarian little state. They shut you up. I don't know if you saw this.

Insane and of you a video of the Democratic Socialists of America convention.

Yes, I did when they were.

Sensory overload.

Yeah.

These people are totalitarians. The proper terms for Democrats today not the voters. People are you know semi-informed about everything but of the Democratic Party leadership is they are communists. They want to control everybody's life and you have.

In your wildest imaginations, you wouldn't have thought that somebody could feel persecuted because he has sensory overload. Complain about it to a convention. They would all To further.

Now, how do you. How do you describe yourself ideologically? I know people that would once call themselves conservatives. We don't even like that term anymore because they don't think there's anything left to conserve.

They would just consider themselves either patriots. That's wrong. Well, that's wrong. I mean, we still have a Constitution. How would you define yourself a conservative patriot all of the above?

Well, my conservatism is defense of the founding. That's what I believe it. I believe this is a great country. And it's unique. And it's the last best and fighting to preserve that because I know. That you know my former comrades.

I see what they what they become. It's just it's revolting. And I I see how far they penetrated everything including Fox News.

They.

Yeah, you know how many people know that. You know that there was a specific attack on the ice building. Yes, I'm perfect. I've got to be anti far leftist. Right. Because they attacked an ice facility in Washington, you know, I didn't see it mentioned in the media.

I was watching Fox. They don't even mention You know, but You know.

You.

Of the. You know We've spent something like twenty seven trillion dollars in the last few decades and. And it hasn't moved a needle one one notch and how much poverty there is. You know, it's all screwed up.

But the Democratic Party and these black Democrats are making a lot of money. They're doing fine. Come on, it's white people were running the inner city. You know, it's typical. But it's only Trump. Trump actually called coming to races and my Democratic Party standards.

Of course, he's a racist right. In fact if these white leftists who are running for office were really Authentic in what they say they should just step down and let Cory Booker and any other person of color Continue to run.

Why are they even running? I mean if they were actually being honest with their rhetoric.

Well, I think it's great. I mean, you know, that's a racist party, which is a great a grave danger to the country. Democratic Party is a party of racists. I mean energy politics is racist. Yes, it is.

It says that what's most important is the color of your skin your gender your sexual orientation. That's why they were you know prepared to lynch Justice Kavanaugh because he's white and male. That's right.

Well David, I hope that you come back on the program again. And if I don't mind saying so I hope you come back on as a born-again believer in Christ Jesus. That's for sure, but I love having you on and I look forward to having you back.

I want to make sure our listeners have your website. It is the Horowitz Freedom Center org. HOROWITZ Freedom Center org and I assume that's where people can go to get your book as well.

Look about my eternal soul. Amen, but but you can also think about it this way maybe. Assuming there is a God that he created me to be a witness.

Well, all things that happen definitely occur by the army of the Lord, I mean you could look at it that way. Well, I still hope that you become my brother in Christ. But yes, everything that does happen occurs to according to the decree of God.

I do believe that but I look forward to having you back on and keep me updated on Everything you're writing in places where you're speaking and all that. All right, thank you, well, thank you so much David and Coming up now folks.

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Well, let's start off with a term Christian America. We just had a half-hour interview with David Horowitz an agnostic Jew Who wrote a book dark agenda the war to destroy Christian America and even though he is an agnostic Jew he recognizes that.

Nearly everything you could think of that is good about America is because its roots are in Christianity or in Christians. Who founded this nation now the term Christian America. I when that word or that phrase I should say comes out of my mouth today I Feel a bit squeamish to be so bold as to say it because we have millions of babies being murdered here.

We have Men marrying men women marrying women and people getting penalized punished in various ways Losing their jobs and on and on. I could go if they dare to if they were there to question especially the sexual preference of someone or the sexual identity that someone claims and on and on so.

How do you react to what I just said? And how do you? View the term Christian America.

Important to understand that you know, Israel was founded as a nation based upon the sovereignty of God over all of life and who had given them commandments and so forth. And After 28 we see see in the in the prophets promises of judgments threatenings of judgments because of their.

You're going after the idols of the nations and following the prescripts of and all the things related to that. And at the same time in saying that we also have to maintain that that Israel was in fact a nation founded on God's Word.

So it's no different in the United States. Where? All of the colonies, I mean even even the even Rhode Island all of the colonies were based upon.

Christian.

Foundation there there isn't a single one that was agnostic. Certainly. There was it wasn't one that was atheistic. North Carolina's con state constitution required anyone running for office had to believe in the the authority of both the old and the new in the New Testament and That really didn't change until probably Probably late in the 19th century.

So when you back and look at the the documents. You will see that our early found founders the of course the New England colonies in Virginia, North Carolina Pennsylvania was called, you know pens Woods, all of them were founded based on Christian assumptions and Christian principles and just like you know today Prosperity that God had blessed them with and very much like Deuteronomy Chapter 8 they forgot the provision and I think you know David Horowitz in his book dark agenda the war to destroy Christian America and he acknowledges freely that America was founded on these basic Christian assumptions and Here he is and yet he has to recognize What makes this nation great were worth a worldview?

I mean even even someone like Thomas Jefferson who was not a Christian. He understood the morality of the New Testament. He of course, he took out all the miraculous aspects reality because he knew. That was without the moral basis of things.

He was he was he was not an atheist he understood that without God something else was going to become God and It's it always turns out to be the state. It always turns out to be civil government. No one is an atheist.

Atheist atheism is a religion governments that like China that is trying to depose. You know Christianity tearing down churches and threatening Christians and jailing Christians. They're not getting rid of a religion.

They are established as the standard authority in all things. It's no different today in the United States. Those who are persecuting Christianity are the ones who want to establish their understanding this is just as the state religion was right and.

As far as our primary enemies here in the United States When I say our I mean Bible believing Christians Can you go through some of these enemies that we should be aware of because some of them might not be so obvious.

In fact, I think one of the greatest dangers of the preservation of biblical Christianity or should I say one of the greatest dangers against it is Modern-day ecumenism that is practiced by conservatives.