January 5, 2018 Show with Martyn McGeown on “Called to Watch for Christ’s Return”

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Introducing the Guest and the Topic of Christ’s Return

Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth who are listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio .com. This is Chris Arns and your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Friday on this fifth day of January 2017 and I am very excited today to be interviewing for the very first time ever on Iron sharpens iron radio all the way from Limerick City in the Republic of Ireland pastor Martin McGowan.

He is an author and pastor of limerick reformed fellowship in Limerick City Ireland and the Republic of Ireland and We are going to be discussing today something that I think is very appropriate as we begin a new year.

There will be no doubt over the next 11 months Some very bizarre and weird and false Predictions about the return of Christ and about the end times and the end of the world and so we wanted to make sure that you had a biblical and balanced and true understanding of Watching for Christ's return and that is why we have Martin on the program today.

He has a book that he has written which is now in print titled cold to watch for Christ's return and It is my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio pastor Martin McGowan.

Thank you very much, it's my pleasure and before we get into the subject matter of the book Tell us something about. I usually do this As often as I can with new guests. I'd like you to give our listeners a summary of your testimony of what kind of a religious upbringing you had if any and how our Sovereign Lord drew you to himself what providential circumstances he used in your life to introduce you to himself and to the gospel and to the Holy Scriptures and so on and.

You could begin now with telling us your own story of salvation. Well, praise God for that. By the way, I don't know how.

Far away. Limerick is from Cork.

But.

My congregation where I am a member grace reform Baptist Church in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. Not far just right around the corner from the banner of truths United States headquarters. We have a new associate pastor from Ireland from Cork Ireland who will be joining us very soon.

His name is Simon O'Maney and.

I don't know if I know Simon O'Mahoney. Oh, wow.

That's that's yeah, that's that's amazing. Praise God. And ladies and gentlemen, we did not Secretly discuss this before the program. I'm so glad to hear that. Well, he'll he will be joining us within the next month or so I believe as our new associate pastor.

All right, good. Well, I'll make sure that he gets a recording of today's interview. Yeah, and I and I've discovered that you Irish folks do not pronounce your names anywhere close to the way they're spelled.

Thanks.

Well.

Eschatological Positions, Partial Preterism, and the Danger of Hyper-Preterism

Tell us about this book. What was the inspiration? Behind writing this book called to watch for Christ's return as you know There are many there is a plethora of books written on the end times not only from viewpoints Which would be typically not found in the Reformed Faith.

You have a lot of books probably the the dominant makeup of books written on eschatology in the end times are from a Dispensational background no doubt but we even outside of that it within our own circles.

We have many books from a millennial and post-millennial and historic pre-millennial perspectives. Why did you feel called pardon the pun to write called to watch for Christ's return? Well, I'm gonna give our listeners our email address if they would like to join us on the air with a question of their own.

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Well, if you could let us know I have a very strong feeling. I know what perspective you're coming from but Please tell our listeners right up front. Which of the major eschatological views you adhere to.

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Hold to. And could you tell us. Because even amongst our millennialists there are.

Differences, would you be more toward an optimistic view of our millennialism or more of a pessimistic view or about the future?

Of the planet Earth. I don't like the term. Amen. Yes, in fact.

Although I have many dear friends who are post-millennial and I have a lot in common with them I am to be a partial preterist all millennialist. I have a feeling that you're not. But one of the things that I Disagree with on the post-millennial Picture of the return of Christ is that I think that what is lost is.

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Expectation that Christ could return at any moment. Just as your book is titled called to watch for Christ's return I Fear that many of my post-millennialist brethren are not doing that other than being prepared to meet him when they die.

And I'm not trying I don't want to paint a bad picture of them. I'm not saying that they live haphazard and licentious lives or anything, but what I mean is That that view that Christ could literally return at any moment is robbed from you.

I believe if you have a post-millennial view, so.

What would be what would the Christian be specifically looking for? to see in the development of World politics and world religion. What in your opinion in your specific? Understanding of our millennialism would a Christian have to witness before you could reach a point of The imminence of Christ's return where you or you could Be expecting him to return at any moment in time.

Well what we're looking for now, why do you view this?

Figure as a future figure when we have scriptural examples of Antichrists being in existence even when the authors of the New Testament were writing the God-breathed scriptures.

Yeah, well there now. My my view the make make it simple my view of revelation of Matthew 24 and 25.

Yes, and when I identified myself as a partial preterist I have to once again make it clear that there is a very dangerously heretical group who call themselves Preterists who I would call hyper preterists.

They might identify themselves as full preterists or They they might say that they believe in realized Eschatology or covenant eschatology they have a number of different names by which they describe themselves.

But I believe that that is a very dangerous heresy, and I believe that Most of those that I have met personally who hold to that hyper preterist Concept that is their gospel. I mean they talk about that more than anything else including the gospel.

Yes, absolutely yes.

Yes, and it's a very that's a very pessimistic view of the future that this world will continue forever and ever and ever and ever. And the people just keep living dying going to hell or heaven. Most of them going to hell for you know as far into eternity.

Unless we destroy ourselves with a nuclear war or something.

Right right, and there's all differences within even that group.

You have some that don't don't even believe in the need of a church anymore. And there are some that don't have the ordinances or the sacraments as some call them Anymore and so on so that there's a they are a mixed group because it's interesting that they come from both typically reformed and Restorationist backgrounds which are very different.

You have those from the Church of Christ who are full preterists. You have those who are Presbyterian. So it is a an interesting group of people. So the The view of all millennialism that you have. Tell us exactly other than what you have just mentioned should every church.

Be.

Teaching their congregants about in regard to being watchful for Christ's return and. Also, obviously every individual every individual Christian. Even if they are in a congregation if they are a member of a church that's teaching them wrongly about that.

What what would you have them? Have etched in their hearts and minds in regard to watching for the return of Christ.

Well certainly even if you believe that there are things as catalogically that I have to occur before Christ's return.

You would share with me a view that it could be within your lifetime. Yeah, whereas most.

No, then then I would obviously be speaking negatively about you in another program.

Yes, and by the way you if you ever cared to I. Years ago on my old show when I was broadcasting out of New York I had a debate on my program between Harold camping. And my friend dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega ministries is a reformed Baptist.

Oh, yeah, and I don't know if you're familiar with Harold camping, but he made several erroneous predictions about the return of Christ and.

Yes, yes, oh wow well I actually.

To toot my own horn. I Designed. I'm an art major and I I designed and created the book cover for dr. White's book dangerous airwaves. Harold camping refuted in Christ Church defended that book that. Yes, well, I did the cover and in fact, I came up with the title for dr. White as well.

One of the things that the Reformed Confessions agreed upon at least when they were written and for quite a number of years afterwards, it's come out of vogue or popularity to keep the the The teaching that the Pope is the Antichrist in those confessions, but there are some reformed brethren who have brought that back into The confession and into their own teachings in their churches.

What is your opinion on that?

Right and of course the papacy was very much involved in politics much more than it is today a centuries ago.

Yes, and.

Well, you have two beasts and revelations. So, you know and what what or who?

Is.

The whore of Babylon in your opinion. In fact, there are as you probably know there are some.

Partial preterists and other kinds of preterists who would view it as Israel.

Israel that rejected Christ and right now we're going to our first.

Station break. In fact, what I'm going to do is I am going to forward to you. An email from Slovenia. From our listener Joe in Slovenia. So this way during the station break you have that right in front of you and you could look it.

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Or is there a legitimate exegetical reason to understand all nations to only refer to the then known world? Familiar to the Apostles if so, what is that exegetical reason if all nations in Matthew? 24 verse 14 refers to all nations ethne or people groups on the whole earth.

Must we then interpret this generation of verse 34 Figuratively to mean the whole scope of church history from Pentecost to Christ's second bodily return. Since the Apostles didn't preach the gospel everywhere on the planet.

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Actually, I probably emphasized my words they're wrong they hold to historic pre-millennial ism and post-millennial ism and not Dispensationalism that's better a better way of phrasing it. I think according to what Levi is intending to say here Are in times views that go against the biblical view? considered error or do they Or can they be considered heresy?

Would you take the full preterism or dispensational pre-millennial ism views as heretical or merely error? Basically, he's asking you the severity with which you Would have against those views that differ from your amillennial view.

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Right, I would out of that list that Levi provides.

I would certainly only view full preterism as heresy or I would call it hyper preterism. We're a denial that Jesus Christ is physically returning and that the dead will be bodily raised From their graves in the future.

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One of the things that I wanted to Have you focus on? Are also those things that we who watch? For Christ's return should have in common with the entire body of Christ. There are there must be things that That a average Christian or every Christian should be doing in their day-to-day lives in Recognition that Christ will one day return.

Can you mention some of those things? Now there are some of my Post-millennialist friends and I do have many of them in fact, I interviewed some of them this very week not on eschatology, but the the topic came up actually one of them was particularly on eschatology a brother who wrote a novel from a post-millennial partial preterist perspective, but The charge that is laid against Those of us who are either all millennial or pre millennial is that our pessimism Will drive us to not being very concerned about the transformation of The earth really transformation of society and they will insist that That transformation will come about through the preaching of the gospel and the changing of hearts and so on and the more and more people rising up in true faith who will also be Eventually involved in high places of government and so on.

But what is what is your view about that charge against? Basically everyone outside of post-millennialism everyone outside of that high optimistic view of the future of earth That says that we are going to let the earth go to hell in a handbasket as it were Because we don't really believe that they there may be even centuries awaiting the planet earth of existence.

Now going back to the idea of what you mentioned About it is not the duty of the Christian.

To.

Bring about Conversions or Christian eyes the entire earth. Oh, obviously. We can only plant and water the seeds and it is up to God to give the increase. But as far as the Great Commission is concerned We have for instance in Mark chapter 16 verse 15 and and we're speaking of Jesus He said to them go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.

I mean that is obviously a duty of of the church.

Yes.

Yes, and and obviously though even and believe me. I'm not a post-millennialist Although I share Right, but one of the reasons I said that is because in some senses I am defending Something that they teach to prevent a caricature.

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It's not as if there was some kind of a pristine Condition of the church of the world centuries ago when Christians were being used as human torches And fed to lions and so forth, I mean obviously. And we do have that promise that Hebrews 11 12 gives us therefore there was born even one man and Him as good as dead at that as many Descendants as there as the stars of the heaven and number and innumerable as the sands Which is by the seashore.

So it's not like there's going to be some tiny Handful of people entering into heaven one day. We can expect there to be a great multitude. No one can number. Amen, and we are going to Our midway break.

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