June 25, 2018 Show with Dr. Tony Costa on “Islam 101”

Islam, the Nation of Islam, and the Meaning of Submission

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2018 and I'm delighted to have back on the program Dr. Tony Costa who is professor of apologetics in Islam at Toronto Baptist Seminary and He is going to be discussing today Islam 101 and we are also going to be promoting an exciting event actually two exciting events.

Coming up in the very near future. In fact, they're coming up next week. We are going to be promoting the fact that dr Costa is going to be speaking at Hope Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island located in Medford, New York on Sunday July 1st and then the Friday following that Friday July 6th from 6 30 p .m. To 10 p .m.

Dr. Costa is going to be leading a seminar a free seminar Orchestrated by iron sharpens iron radio and my friends over at New Covenant Church, NYC.

And that.

Seminar that free seminar in New York City is going to be on the topics of defending the faith in a postmodern society and also the dangers of the impacts of cultural Marxism on society in the church.

Those are the two topics that are going to be addressed on Friday, July 6th 6 30 p .m. To 10 p .m at the First Baptist Church of New York City a historic church going back to the 1700s at least back to the 1700s perhaps earlier and that is located on the corner of 79th Street and Broadway in Manhattan and I'm urging you all who are able to get there, especially those who live in New York City and Long Island and Connecticut and New Jersey, especially you folks.

I'm urging you all to be there Friday July 6th 6 30 p .m at First Baptist Church of New York City. And I'm also urging all of you who can get there no matter where you live. If you have the financial resources to get in the train plane or automobile, please get there.

We would love to see you. But it is my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr. Tony Costa. Great and we have two co-hosts today we have first of all my friend who is a very valuable and vital financial supporter of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.

I'm speaking of my friend Anthony Eugenio. Who is the founder co-founder of New York apologetics? And it's always a joy to be working with him on various projects for the furtherance of the kingdom and It's great to welcome you back as a co-host.

Anthony Eugenio. Yes, and we also have co-hosting the program today a new friend of mine who is cooperating with me on arranging this event coming up on July 6th in New York City with Dr. Tony Costa.

Andy Woodard and He is the lead pastor of New Covenant Church, NYC. And it's great to have you back as a co-host as well. Andy Woodard. Be back on the program and if anybody wants to join us our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

C H R I S A R N Z E N at gmail .com. Please give us at least your first name your city and state and your country of residence. If you live outside of the USA and please Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

We are going to be discussing Islam 101 today and so perhaps there are some of you who are Muslims and you are too fearful or too Embarrassed or whatever the reason is that you would not like to identify yourself.

I understand that. Or any other reason that you want to ask a question anonymously if it's about a personal and private matter We will welcome that but if it's not about a personal and private matter.

Please give us your first name at least city and state and country of residence. Well, first of all, very briefly Dr. Tony Costa if you could tell our listeners for those of them who have not heard of you before.

Tell them about Toronto Baptist Seminary, please.

They reformed one of the pastors at the Jarvis Street. Pain men and women United States. Great. And the website for anybody listening is tbs .edu.

Tbs .edu Anthony Eugenio tell our listeners in a summary form something about New York apologetics.

Our New York apologetics is a ministry an organization set up to miss high schools. Churches. We want to train people to be with gentleness and respect. So we go in and we teach them. The evidence is kind of an easy argument.

Well the website for New York apologetics for those of you interested in pursuing.

Learning more about that ministry go to New York. Apologetics calm. New York Apologetics calm and the two words New York are spelled out. They are not abbreviated New York any W Y or K. Apologetics calm.

Now a pastor Andy Woodard tell us about this new church plant in Manhattan New Covenant Church, NYC.

My name is Andy Woodard. I'm the lead pastor founding pastor of New Covenant Church, NYC Which is a reformed Baptist Church plant and meet in the midtown east side of Manhattan. Right now we're just a couple blocks off of anticipating moving to a new location this coming Sunday.

If you are in the New York City or Manhattan area We'd love to have you come but keep a close eye on the website for the address as I'm having that conversation Tomorrow hopefully with the prospective new landlord.

Great. Well, uh, oh and the the website for New Covenant Church, NYC is NCC dot NYC. NCC for New Covenant Church dot NYC for New York City. Uh, dr. Tony Costa you wanted to address a Primer on Islam as we are calling it Islam 101 today.

There is still so much confusion amongst Americans and amongst brothers and sisters in Christ. And in fact if someone who somebody sounds like they're washing dishes Whoever it is if he could please or stocking shelves at a grocery store or something If you could please stop so we can have a total silence in the background.

Dr. Costa. There's still as I was saying a lot of confusion about Islam not only amongst non-muslims. But we are getting reports that vary widely and contradict each other even from Muslim representatives that we see in the media in varying varying degrees of commitment and nominalism To that religion, so I think even though we have addressed things like this on the program before I Think that it is important to revisit them, especially since we hear about Islam and Muslims in the news almost every day.

And.

So first of all, let's start off With something that we should say right off the bat, especially since lately. We have been hearing things about the the cult known as the nation of Islam in the news with its head current head Louis Farrakhan this is a completely different religion as much as Louis Farrakhan and the and the adherents or members of the nation is list of Islam want to claim that they are Muslims.

Nothing could be further from the truth. This cult in fact is guilty of the the most serious sin that Muslims believe one can commit an impardonable sin known as Shirk because the nation of Islam believes that God is a black man and Just as Christians believe that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh.

The Muslims have a false God in the flesh, but that is still a violation of their most serious Sin listed amongst the most grievous and wicked sins that Muslims can commit. Am I right?

Yes Islam or under what is his name? Uses the name Elijah because we have pointed to all his part as a lot in the flesh and also claims the name Muhammad as He was the main focal. They have a few remember Malcolm X was a follower of the nation of Islam a very vocal speaker for the nation of Islam like Malcolm X did and Malcolm X long for doing so.

Well, actually I have a friend named David Rubin who's a Jewish Christian and I still don't know if he was joking when he Said this but he said that his favorite Chinese restaurant was a Jewish Chinese restaurant called Genghis Cohen.

But anyway, I'll have to one of these days get the truth out of David to see if that was actually a real place.

And.

Yes, so Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali both left The nation of Islam. In fact didn't Elijah Muhammad's son also leave the nation of Islam and go into a convert to Sunni ism. Right, well that that speaks a lot there, but Yeah, it is really a bizarre cult and unless I hate to give benefit of the doubt to the nation of Islam.

But in your comparison to the KKK, I'm not aware even though they might have equal rhetoric That's equally racist and hateful and bigoted and anti-semitic as well in fact praising of Hitler as well both both the nation of Islam and in fact Many of our listeners may be surprised that Elijah Muhammad in the 60s Invited at least once.

It may have been twice or more, but at least once he invited George Lincoln Rockwell to speak at their event at Madison Square Garden and George Lincoln Rockwell was the founder of the American Nazi Party and he had a friendship with Elijah Muhammad because they both were separatists and They both believed that the mainstream of American society and media were misleading Both blacks and whites into believing that integration was good and proper and in both.

Both sides are separatists and both sides loved Hitler.

Yeah, they're both. Yeah, they're basically like pilot and Herod becoming friends in order to get rid of the same men. They wanted they did not go to the extent that the KKK did and actually killing black people and hanging them.

You're killing white people.

Yeah, sorry, yes, they haven't gone to that extent but white people that is the white man is eventually doomed.

Oh, yeah, and and Louis Farrakhan actually very recently said in a speech that whitey is going down. You know, and he was taking great glee and the thought of white people perishing. But anyway, so we just wanted to make that clear because of the fact that the nation of Islam has been brought up in the news more frequently than normal lately because I think especially because Fox News has been bringing up the fact.

That.

No one ever really called Barack Obama or Jesse Jackson or many of the other Prominent figures in in the civil rights movement of the 21st century or Black activism of the 21st century. They very rarely bring them.

Or hold them accountable for their friendship with with Louis Farrakhan. Flip my mind for a minute and.

They.

In fact, they're the Louis Farrakhan has enjoyed a friendship with quite a number of Liberal elites which the thing that that's really remarkable and crazy about that is that Louis Farrakhan Shares The Muslim and Christian and Orthodox Jewish abhorrence to things like homosexuality and feminism and other things and yet the liberals seem to adore him because he they know that he has the ears of a significant constituency in the black community.

Yes agenda is the white Anglo-Saxon anything white.

Well, let's start with our main thesis today Islam 101 and the what are the main points of Islam that our listeners should become aware of and We'll also eventually hopefully have time to get in to how Muslims differ amongst themselves because It is well known I don't think anybody really denies this that Muslims especially in the Middle East where there is Sharia law in various places and Theocracy and Islamic theocracy in various places that Muslims are killing Muslims more than any other people that they They kill or persecute so obviously there are differences among them and we can get into that as soon as possible.

But let's start off where you want to start off on the on the main points of Islam.

Defining our surrender. And therefore Islam is the religion of submission. And Islam is believed to be the religion of the original religion and all the means one who submits. And Muslims believe that all human beings are virtually born Muslims.

And They. And then Allah says remember this. For this will be used against you on the Day of Judgment. And so the Quran sees everyone as Muslim. Islam is primarily not a religion of Salvation. Islam is a religion of God.

Lost at 124 ,000 prophets. And Jesus came with the same message He was born in five and Muhammad is. We enumerate them week later if you'd like. But you have to believe that there's only one God. You have to believe in the Scriptures.

You have to believe in the angel. You have to believe in the prophets. And you have to believe in the last days. Mentioned the creed of Islam recently finished. Celebrating is mandatory for every Muslim.

And of the income so that you had. And. The last one is the Hajj the kill in a Muslim's lifetime. He or she must go to Mecca. So that's basically Islam in a nutshell now. You've brought up an interesting thing and.

I'm a novice when it comes to this subject, even though I have Seen the great ones involved in debates with Muslims including our mutual friend. Dr James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries and David Wood and you and others, but I'm still far from being an expert on this issue.

But it aren't there even.

Uh.

Battles being fought and terror acts of terrorism being conducted between Fundamental fundamentalist Muslim groups over the Kaaba that you just mentioned because one group views it as an idol and It would seem that that would actually be Logical for the way Muslims have a great disdain and in some ways rightly Over using images in worship.

They they have been known for destroying Buddhist and Hindu Statuary and idols and so forth when they take over an area but isn't even the Kaaba something that they disagree him.

Because it is the house of Allah. It is your connection. Yes. I'm still here. Yes Yes, just want to make sure I relate around the Kaaba seven times. Ask a Muslim friend dead black stone. And in fact Chris Higgins and Mohammed simply incorporated them the prayers five times a day.

So I'm wrong to think that there is some Islamic sect.

That is.

Persecuting or at least threatening terror on others because of the The black stone that they believe had fallen from space.

Okay.

Okay, I don't know where I'm getting that maybe I'm just. They're not violent.

Okay, and of course.

Their their version of sola scriptura Is a very problematic whereas the true? practice and belief in sola scriptura doesn't even Resemble that you cannot really have Islam without the Hadith and so on.

Really correct, you really cannot hold to the Quran alone and be a.

Historic Muslim on without the Hadith is you don't know what's going to find them. It doesn't it doesn't explain them any Hadith. The Quran is basically unintelligible.

The Quran, the Hadith, and the Five Pillars of Islam

All right, we're gonna go to our first break and when we return. Anthony Eugenio, I know that you can only be with us for an hour so I'm gonna ask you to ask a Number of questions if you have several, you know, at least three of Dr. Costa because of the fact that you'll be leaving at about 454 p .m. Eastern Time so I want to give you the opportunity to ask your questions before you have to leave the program early and.

Anybody else who would like to join us? Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen a gmail .com. Please give us your first name at least your city and state in your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

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This is Chris Arns. And if you just tuned us in our guest today for the full two hours with 90 minutes to go is dr Tony Costa, he is professor of apologetics and Islam at Toronto Baptist Seminary. He is also involved in two events coming up in New York next week.

He is going to be speaking first of all at the Hope Reform Baptist Church of Long Island in Medford, New York. He's gonna be speaking there Sunday morning, July 1st, and then the following Friday We are going to be having a seminar a free seminar in New York City featuring.

Dr.

Tony Costa at the First Baptist Church of New York City on the corner of 79th and Broadway a very historic Baptist Church. In fact one of its early pastors in the 18th century John Gano was the personal chaplain to George Washington that shows you how historic this church is.

But they are allowing us to use their facilities for this event and I am arranging that in cooperation with New Covenant Church NYC. And we have today as co-hosts the pastor of that church New Covenant Church NYC Andy Woodard he is co-hosting along with Anthony Eugenio and Anthony Eugenio is the founder of New York apologetics.

But the the conference theme that is coming up. There's actually two main sessions on Friday night, July 6th starting at 6 30 p .m defending the faith in a postmodern society and Then followed by the dangers of cultural Marxism's impact on society in the church to be followed by a question-and-answer session with the audience.

That afternoon at 12, there is going to be a lunch a small lunch gathering of pastors and church leaders at a Location that is yet to be determined. So if you'd like to attend that send me an email to chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

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If you could Anthony Eugenio of New York apologetics since you are only on with us for the first hour if you could please Ask some questions of dr. Costa while you have the opportunity.

Well, I understand that Muslims deny the deity the full gospel writers in the first James. Or do Muslims deny that he made that claim or do they think that he made that claim was denied that Jesus and.

In the Quran Jesus is simple sin pointing out that we want to be worshipped as Allah and The Quran is. And there are references also to those who claim that Jesus is the son and then it says these are the same.

Very on Jesus makes it is nothing more than a man and that the only one. Now when you say that.

The current scholarship. I think that's what you said, but maybe I misheard you but Muslims today at least those who are scholars and apologists know full well what the claims of Christianity are. But wouldn't you say that it is clear from history and clear from the Quran?

That.

Muhammad or whoever Inspired that book the Quran whether an individual or Satan himself. They did not really know what Christian doctrine Was or is and all points because they have a false description of what the Trinity is in the Quran.

Very much.

So they he uses the word falafel which in Arabic means three and that the crowd can Allah have a son. When he has no idea there is that I think Mohammed got Christians confused with Brigham Young of the Mormon Church.

That's what the Mormon Church, but Mohammed took those. So what you find in the Quran Chris is that there is in theology and this raises another question. Wouldn't God. How is it that God who inspired in the deity and friendship of Christ, right?

By the way Anthony Eugenio, I want to make sure that you have all the questions that you haven't asked before you leave.

Yeah Tony did you say that that Muslims believe that Jesus is the son of Allah. Know what I said was this is nothing. But the Jews and the Christians in the Quran are called and deny it the title of Jesus in the Quran.

Jesus is mentioned 25 times in the Quran by name By name and Moses is a common than any other prophet who believe that is modern-day Judaism that Jesus is the Messiah. The rug under his feet. Only the reason why you're a Christian the Jewish see him as As fully God fully man was because the Prophet the Muslims considered the Old Testament contradicts the Quran.

But what you will find people like my good friend. Dr. Shabir Ali and others.

Anything else Anthony.

No, I mean when did they. Do they think that the Jews got it meant to be God or do they just say that.

And then as you go to mark, excuse me, Matthew and Luke is Jesus's Character begins to evolve to a higher degree. And then by the time you get to John, he's that time they'll say that The one who brought the Gentiles into the church, yeah, in fact if you if you ever see.

James White's very first debate with a Muslim that I orchestrated On Long Island at Bible Baptist Church of Syosset, which has a different name today. He debated Hamza Abdul Malik who was a Convert from some kind of Baptist upbringing.

It may have been nominal. I don't remember.

But.

He during the debate whenever the Pauline epistles were addressed Hamza's answer to them was well Paul. Paul was just messing around with them Corinthians. Paul was just messing around. Messing around.

You mentioned another thing that jogged something in my memory when you said that the Quran Describes Christians and Jews as people of the book. It's another from what I can remember it's another example of a very serious problem that Muslim apologists have just as they're.

Just as when they are presented with the false definition of the Trinity That exists in the Quran which is supposed to be an inspired text.

Right.

They have a problem with the fact that the Quran and correct me if I'm wrong the Quran teaches that anything from God Cannot be corrupted and yet today they will tell you Unashamedly and unhesitatingly that the New Testament is corrupted.

So they have they have to explain how that what they once believed was From God the book people of the book. How did this book become a corrupted?

How do they answer that it accuses the Jew meaning of the now? There's a difference Chris between corrupting the text and corrupting the meaning of the text. The Quran charges the Jews with to find in the Quran is that it keeps pointing back.

It says look Jesus received the Injil the gospel of the law David received the Zabur which is the psalms and that these are the words of Allah and judge by back which Allah has revealed. How are Christians supposed to judge?

So Allah is directing us to corrupted scriptures. Which is ludicrous. May start to judge by what God has revealed in the God the New Testament. Well Mohammed times of all in the time of Mohammed apps that he can is both of them from 325 AD New Testament to the turn of the Millennium.

Just after Christians to the mouth of Jesus Jews and Christians around the world would have to gather all the known Manuscripts have been buried all together whole thing in and from what you said.

They even changed their original condemnation of the scriptures. From the twisted meaning to the actual changing of words and deleting of words. Right, but but on the Jews, but it still is still it's still it still results in a corruption of something from God which.

Supposedly could not happen. The Quran says no one can change the words of Allah. Well, it's The New Testament that anyone could change the words of Allah. Here's another question can preserve the Quran.

Why can't God preserve the Bible, right? Word. Then why can't he not preserve the Bible as well, right?

Well.

Anthony Eugenia, we I know that you have to leave us now. Can you please tell us the times? When dr. Tony Costa will be preaching or speaking at Hope Reform Baptist Church of Medford, Long Island on Sunday, July 1st.

Well healed at 945 a .m. And then he will be preaching in the service which begins at 11. Also, he'll probably be staying for fellowship and would we're just gonna have him talk as much as possible. Come on down to Hope Reform Baptist Church in Medford, Long Island.

945 is the a .m. Begins the.

Service. Well, he better not get laryngitis by you overworking him because he's got a an event in New York City that Andy Woodard and I.

Chris we're gonna give him a lot of tomato sauce up here to keep his throat.

Yeah, you better not get botulism. He better not get botulism from anything you feed him there. Alright we're gonna tell you all about it cuz you're gonna miss it. Yep. Well, well. New York apologetics Website again is New York apologetics calm.

New York apologetics calm and there is no abbreviation there. The words New York are spelled out. Thank you so much Anthony Eugenio, and we look forward to the next time you are a co-host or guest or on iron truffles iron radio.

Thank you again, brother and dr. Dr. Costa. We look forward to seeing you soon. Yes, likewise. Thank you.

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