August 4, 2022 Show with Rev. Ricky McCarl on “An Anglican’s Critical Observations of the Conversion of Beth Moore to Anglicanism”
August 4, 2022
Rev. RICKY McCARL, hospice chaplain & Vicar of Good Shepherd Anglican Church of Harrisburg, PA who will address:
“An ANGLICAN’s CRITICAL OBSERVATIONS of the CONVERSION of RENOWNED SOUTHERN BAPTIST AUTHOR & PUBLIC SPEAKER BETH MOORE to ANGLICANISM (& a General Assessment of Those Who Convert For Erroneous Reasons & in Name Only)”
Transcript
Live from the historic parsonage of the 19th century Gospel Minister George Norcross in downtown
Carlisle, Pennsylvania, it's Iron Sharpens Iron.
This is a radio platform in which pastors, Christian scholars, and theologians address the burning issues facing
the Church and the world today.
Proverbs 27, verse 17 tells us, Iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens
another.
Matthew Henry said that in this passage, we are cautioned to take heed with whom we converse and directed to
have a view in conversation to make one another wiser and better.
It is our hope that this goal will be accomplished over the next two hours, and we hope to hear from you, the listener, with
your own questions.
And now, here's your host, Chris Arnzen.
Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, Lake City, Florida, and the rest of humanity living
on the planet Earth who are listening via live streaming at ironsharpensironradio .com.
This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Thursday on this
fourth day of August 2022.
Anybody who has listened to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio long enough knows that I
love to have the opportunity to interview Anglican ministers
when they are biblically sound and faithful to Christ and his word,
and it is my pleasure to do so again today.
Today we have as our guest, a returning guest, Reverend Ricky McCarl.
He is a hospice chaplain and vicar of Good Shepherd Anglican Church of
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, and we're going to be discussing something fairly controversial today.
We're going to be hearing an Anglican's critical observations of the conversion of
renowned Southern Baptist author and public speaker, Beth Moore, to Anglicanism,
and a general assessment of those who convert for erroneous reasons and in name only.
And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Reverend Ricky McCarl.
Well, hello, how are you?
I'm doing fantastic, brother.
And I'm amazed that whenever I have conversations with
evangelicals of any background, they could be Reformed Baptists such as myself,
they could be Presbyterians, they could just be from the broader
spectrum of evangelicalism, they are in a state of
total mystery when it comes to Anglicanism.
They don't know what to think.
And obviously it's likely because, as you well know, there is a wide spectrum
of ministers and churches and congregational or
congregants, I should say, who are from a wide spectrum of
theology and ideology and practice and so on.
So because of that, tell our listeners about Good Shepherd Anglican Church of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania,
and be as descriptive as you possibly can.
Sure.
Well,
I will
say
that
some
Episcopal
churches,
you know, a
lot of those different churches, it took a lot of
time and effort.
Yes, I am a firm believer in exclusively male headship
in the church and male headship in the home.
And I'm always mystified when I have the occasion to meet from
the Anglican Communion men that I agree with on nearly
every single issue except for perhaps a small handful of
things that are uniquely Anglican.
But as far as the scriptures are concerned, we agree on nearly everything, and I, being
a Reformed Baptist, would really only find objection to the 39 articles
in the area of baptism.
Sure.
But then they will tell me that they are egalitarian as far as leadership in the church, and that just absolutely
blows me away.
I can't understand that.
Yeah, I mean, there's, you know, that's...
I do know...
And by the way, I sometimes, and I know that some of my listeners may be tired of hearing me repeat myself,
I sometimes rib my Anglican friends and say that I actually
believe in all of the 39 articles of religion because it doesn't, or
they, don't actually mention infants in regard to baptism.
It just says children.
So if a child repents and believes, I am more than happy to see that child baptized.
There you go.
I actually had a funny story with the 39 articles.
It was
a Presbyterian PCUSA church are
you with?
And usually I'll just say, you
know, ways of
pronouncing
that.
But I said, well, I'm an Episcopal minister.
And he said, well, I used to love the Episcopal church when they affirmed the 39 articles.
And I said, well, actually, I'm a Reformed Episcopalian, and we do affirm the 39 articles.
And it turned out he knew all about the REC and was a big supporter
of our seminary in the past.
And you never know when you're going to run into a friend.
Yeah, amen.
In fact, one of my dearest friends who is now in heaven, Dr. Robert J. Cameron, he was a
graduate of Reformed Episcopal seminary.
He eventually became an Orthodox Presbyterian pastor, but he was for quite some time a
Reformed Episcopal minister.
And just to confirm a little bit about the Oxford movement, since you mentioned it before, about how
the Reformed Episcopal church denomination founded, or why, in protest to the Oxford movement.
And I know that the Oxford movement shares a lot in common with the Puseyites
and the Tractarians, being very favorable to
nearly everything Roman Catholic with the exception of the primacy of the
papacy and the infallibility of the papacy.
But that's specifically why, if I'm not mistaken, the
Reformed Episcopal church began in protest to that growing
influence of Anglo -Catholic theology and practice into
the Episcopal church.
Am I right?
Yeah, there's actually a good...
Wow, I've got to get a hold of that book.
Yeah.
And just to quickly remind my listeners, one of the reasons why I love
interviewing biblically faithful Anglicans and Episcopalians when I have the opportunity
is that my father's side of the family was
Episcopalian primarily.
My mother was Roman Catholic.
I was raised in the Roman Catholic church.
And my father converted to Catholicism when I was about 17, and most of his
family, his brothers and cousins and so on, remained Episcopalian.
And I remember my Uncle Donald, who passed,
I think, a decade or more ago.
He lived up in Washington State, and he was so disgusted by the
liberalism that had destroyed to a great degree
the Episcopal church that he was contemplating converting to Roman Catholicism.
And I remember I was going on a massive search for biblically faithful
Episcopal parishes as close to him as possible and could not
find one.
And what began in me a burden to
make sure that people were aware of biblically sound, thoroughly Protestant,
biblically faithful, Christ -honoring Episcopal and Anglican churches before they made the leap
into Rome, which I believe is a very sad state indeed.
I would consider it apostasy, but I try to let people aware that there are
biblically faithful Episcopalians and Anglicans out there, if you do enough searching,
because I know that there are people who do love the liturgy and so on.
But I just want to give our listeners your website in case they either live
in Harrisburg or are visiting Harrisburg or if they have friends and family in
Harrisburg, they want to either visit themselves or have their loved ones visit
this church.
Goodshepherdanglican .net, Good Shepherd Anglican.
Well, you, some time ago actually, and we didn't have the opportunity to get you on the
program until today, but some time ago, you wanted to address, as I've already mentioned,
your critical observations of the conversion of renowned Southern Baptist author and public
speaker, Beth Moore, to Anglicanism, and also a general assessment of those who convert
for erroneous reasons in name only.
And if you could, for our listeners who are unfamiliar with Beth Moore, who is she?
Yes, I've been
concerned
about
Beth
Moore
for 20 years.
It's kind of weird to be able to say that for 20 years, but I guess I'm not
a pastor.
But like
I said, I think
what she, per
DNA,
Anglo -Catholic,
I just
generally
have some,
and truly, this isn't about her.
This
is about any
idea that Anglicans don't really have a theology.
You can mail full
baggage with them.
I mean, I know
for an Anglican, not so much for a Reformed Baptist
like yourself, but for an Anglican, that's a thing.
Really?
An ordained Anglican minister, rector?
Yes, there's a couple floating around, but they're a minority for sure.
Are they independent ministers?
Because there are Anglican churches that are not officially connected to any...
No, they would be a part of the ACNA.
I will say Anglican churches that aren't connected with an
Anglican jurisdiction, I don't really know how that works.
But I do know that
there are some independent Episcopal and Anglican churches out there in the
world.
I just don't know.
Well, I know one of the issues that
seriously concerned many conservative evangelicals
over Beth Moore was that she had become full -blown
egalitarian and publicly identified as such, where women
have the full right to be leaders over men and teachers of men in
the church.
What else can you say about Beth Moore that would ring any alarm bells?
My biggest concern with her,
too political here that I'm trying to make, but what
I will say, a number
of people who voted in that election,
the
16,
but that's an accusation she has raised a couple of times in her tweets and her online presence.
I find that a little concerning.
I find
that
rhetoric
troubling, and I see that in other places, not just
with Beth Moore.
I mean, we can talk about David French,
thought leader, Russell Moore for that, any number of
former evangelicals that we can talk about that has leveled that accusation against
conservatives.
Now, what do you see as a danger from Beth Moore coming
into the fold of the ACNA when they already have a
practice of ordination?
Well, it is my understanding that that diocese does not ordain women, that that parish does not ordain
women.
I don't know who the bishop is.
He's egalitarian,
but then you've got those dioceses that do.
If we keep bringing
egalitarian...
Well, we're going to our first break right now, and if anybody has a question for Pastor Ricky
McCarl, please give us your first name, at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence, if you live
outside the USA.
Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter, perhaps.
You are in a congregation where the
primary teachings may be in conflict with my guest's teachings, or you might even be
a minister in that you are beginning a journey of
theological transformation, and you are beginning to question what
the other leaders of that congregation or even denomination...
And you don't want to draw attention to yourself.
You don't want to draw attention to your identity.
I can understand things like that would compel you to remain anonymous, but please, if it's just a general question, give us
your first name, at least, your city and state, and your country of residence.
Don't go away.
We are going to be right back, right after these messages, with more of Reverend Ricky
McCarl of Good Shepherd Anglican Church and our topic for
the day, which is, in Anglicans, critical observations of the conversion of
renowned Southern Baptist author and public speaker, Beth Moore, to Anglicanism, and a general
assessment of those who convert for erroneous reasons.
ChrisArnzen at gmail .com, ChrisArnzen at gmail .com.
Don't go away.
We'll be right back.
James White of Alpha and Omega Ministries here, excited to announce that my longtime friend, Chris Arnzen of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio,
and I are heading to Washington, D .C., for the G3 Ministries Regional Conference on the theme,
Just Thinking About the Bible.
The conference will be held Thursday, September 15th, through Saturday, September 17th.
I'll be speaking along with Stephen Lawson, Josh Weiss, founder of G3 Ministries, and Daryl Bernard
Harrison and Virgil Walker, co -hosts of the Just Thinking Podcast.
To register, visit g3min .org, that's g3min .org, and click on Events.
Your registration will include a ticket to the Museum of the Bible, nearby the conference venue, in Washington, D .C.
So join me and Chris Arnzen, September 15th through the 17th, in Washington, D .C., for the G3
Ministries Regional Conference.
Register now before they run out of seats at g3min .org, that's g3min .org.
Stop by the Iron Sharpens Iron Radio Exhibitor booth and say hi to Chris Arnzen while you're there.
It's such a blessing to hear from Iron Sharpens Iron Radio listeners from all over the world.
Here's Joe Reilly, a listener in Ireland, who wants you to know about a guest on the show
he really loves hearing interviewed, Dr. Joe Moorcraft.
I'm Joe Reilly, a faithful Iron Sharpens Iron Radio listener here in Atai, in County Kildare, Ireland.
Going back to 2005, one of my very favorite guests on Iron Sharpens Iron is Dr. Joe
Moorcraft.
If you've been blessed by Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr. Moorcraft and Heritage Presbyterian Church of Cumming,
Georgia, are largely to thank, since they are one of the program's largest financial supporters.
Heritage Presbyterian Church of Cumming is in Forsyth County, a part of the Atlanta metropolitan area.
Heritage is a thoroughly biblical church, unwaveringly committed to Westminster standards, and Dr. Joe
Moorcraft is the author of an eight -volume commentary on the larger catechism.
Heritage is a member of the Hanover Presbytery, built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets,
Jesus Christ himself being the chief cornerstone, and tracing its roots and heritage back to the great Protestant
Reformation of the 16th century.
Heritage maintains and follows the biblical truth and principles proclaimed by the reformers, scripture alone,
grace alone, faith alone, Christ alone, and God's glory alone.
Their primary goal is the worship of the Triune God that continues in eternity.
For more details on Heritage Presbyterian Church of Cumming, Georgia, visit HeritagePresbyterianChurch
.com.
That's HeritagePresbyterianChurch .com.
Or call 678 -954 -7831.
That's 678 -954 -7831.
If you visit, tell them Joe O 'Reilly, an Iron Sharpens Iron radio listener from Mattai in County Kildare, Ireland,
sends you.
When Iron Sharpens Iron Radio first launched in 2005, the publishers of the New American
Standard Bible were among my very first sponsors.
It gives me joy knowing that many scholars and pastors in the Iron Sharpens Iron Radio audience have been
sticking with or switching to the NASB.
This is Darrell Bernard Harrison, co -host of the Just Thinking podcast, and the NASB is my
Bible of choice.
I'm Pastor Tom Buck at First Baptist Church in Lindale, Texas, and the NASB
is my Bible of choice.
I'm Pastor Kent Keller of Faith Bible Church in Sharpsburg, Georgia, and the NASB is my Bible of choice.
I'm Andrew Rapport, the Founder and Executive Director at Striving for Eternity Ministries, and the
NASB is my Bible of choice.
I'm Mark Rimaldi, Pastor of Sovereign Grace Church in Greenbrier, Tennessee, and the NASB
is my Bible of choice.
I'm Christopher Cookston, Pastor of Prineville Community Church in Prineville, Oregon,
and the NASB is my Bible of choice.
I'm Matt Tarr, Pastor of High Point Baptist Church in Larksville, Pennsylvania, and the NASB is my Bible of choice.
Here's a great way for your church to help keep Iron Sharpens Iron Radio on the air.
Pastors, are your pew Bibles tattered and falling apart?
Consider restocking your pews with the NASB, and tell the publishers you heard about them from
Chris Arnzen on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.
Go to nasbible .com that's nasbible .com to place your order.
As a mother, I was looking for a magazine that would include devotionals that I
could quickly do before school, and had theology and doctrine made very simple for children to
understand that they could read themselves, or I could walk them through.
There's tiered content, so that you can go to the older group and learn more, or go to a younger
section, and it's even more simple.
Join us on our journey in developing our magazine, entitled Ignited by the Word, which
engages and ignites the hearts of our children and young people in their walk with God.
Order Ignited by the Word for your home today at ignitedbytheword .org.
Learn more information and subscribe now at ignitedbytheword .org and receive your
first two issues free.
And put good literature in your children's hands.
Hello, my name is Anthony Uvino, and I'm one of the pastors at Hope Reform Baptist Church in Corum, New York, and
also the host of the reformrookie .com website.
I want you to know that if you enjoy listening to the Iron Sharpens Iron Radio show like I do, you can now find it on the
Apple's iTunes app by typing Iron Sharpens Iron Radio in the search bar.
You no longer have to worry about missing a show or a special guest because you're in your car or still at work.
Just subscribe on the iTunes app and listen to the Iron Sharpens Iron Radio show at any time, day or night.
Please be sure to also give it a good review and pass it along to anyone who would benefit from the teaching and the many
solidly reformed guests that Chris Arnzen has on the show.
Truth is so hard to come by these days, so don't waste your time with fluff or fake news.
Subscribe to the Iron Sharpens Iron Radio podcast right now.
And while you're at it, you can also sign up for the reformrookie .com podcast and visit our website and the YouTube
page.
We are dedicated to teaching Christian theology from a Reformed Baptist perspective to beginners in the faith as
well as seasoned believers.
From Keech's Catechism and the Doctrines of Grace to the Olivet Discourse and the Book of Leviticus, the Reform
Rookie podcast and YouTube channel is sure to have something to offer everyone seeking Biblical truth.
And finally, if you're looking to worship in a Reformed church that holds to the 1689 London Baptist Confession
of Faith, please join us at Hope Reformed Baptist Church in Corham, New York.
Again, I'm Pastor Anthony Evinio and thanks for listening.
If you're near retirement or thinking about retiring you probably have questions.
How do you make your savings last?
How much should you take out?
And when?
You're ready for retirement, but are your finances?
Art Amundsen, an Edward Jones Financial Advisor, can help you build a strategy to help make sure your
finances keep up with your long -term needs.
Do what it takes to get there.
Now it's time to make the most of retirement.
Visit edwardjones .com.
That's edwardjones .com.
Or call.
717 -258 -4688 717 -258
-4688 717 -258 -4688.
If you love Iron Sharpen's Iron Radio are forever grateful for the generous financial support of Art Amundsen,
Edward Jones Financial Advisor in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, call 717
-258 -4688.
Call 717 -258 -4688 today.
If you love Iron Sharpen's Iron Radio one of the best ways you can help keep the show on the air is
by supporting our advertisers.
One such faithful advertiser who really believes in what Chris Arnton is doing is
Daniel P. Buttafuoco, serious injury lawyer and Christian apologist.
Dan is the president and founder of the Historical Bible Society.
Their mission?
To foster belief in the credibility of scripture as the written word of God.
They go to various churches, schools and institutions to publicly display a rare
collection of biblical texts along with a fascinating presentation by Mr. Buttafuoco
demonstrating the reliability of scripture.
To advance the cause of the gospel, they created a beautiful, perfect facsimile of the
genealogy of Jesus Christ from the original engravings contained in a first edition
1611 King James Bible.
This 17th century hand -engraved chart shows the family tree of Jesus Christ
going back to Adam and Eve.
This book is complete with gorgeous full -size illustrations of Noah's Ark and the Tower of
Babel and an explanation of why the genealogy of Jesus is so important for his
claims to the throne of the universe.
Originals of this work are in museums and nobody has ever made it accessible to the public
in a large book form before.
You can have your own copy of this 44 -page genealogy book for a donation of $35
or more.
Visit historicalbiblesociety .org.
That's historicalbiblesociety .org.
Thanks for helping to keep Iron Sharpen's Iron Radio on the air.
And that was the voice of my very dear friend, Reverend Roger Salter,
another Anglican.
He is the rector at St. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama, a
biblically faithful church strictly adhering to the 39 Articles wholeheartedly to anyone.
I'm looking forward to actually having Roger Salter back on the show next week on Wednesday the 10th.
He hasn't picked his subject yet, but he always picks fascinating ones, so I'm looking forward to that if you want to mark your calendars
for Roger Salter, rector of St. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama, for
Wednesday, August 10th, 4 to 6 p .m. Eastern Time.
We're now back with my guest today, Reverend Ricky McCarl, who is vicar
of Good Shepherd Anglican Church of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, and we are discussing an Anglican's critical
observations of the conversion of Southern Baptist author and public speaker Beth Moore
to Anglicanism and a general assessment of those who convert for erroneous reasons
in name only.
Now, there are congregations and even denominations who are
so excited about numeric growth that
they really don't care about who joins their ranks, just as long as they
see more people in their pews and more people putting money in the plate, and perhaps even especially if
it's somebody that's a well -known speaker, that may draw more people into that
congregation or denomination.
Why is it that you are not among those that loves to
see, quote -unquote, conversions for the sake of growth
in the communion where you.
Serve?
Well, I think
I'm really happy with, you know, my small little tiny
parish.
I guess I tend
to
escape something, but because
of the
liturgy that attracts people to the,
you know, but I mean, I don't
think that it would be accurate to say I'm not concerned about growth, people coming
for the right reasons.
Right, right, and I didn't mean to imply that.
You weren't concerned about growth.
There are some people who could care less.
And I have told people, I have told
Roman Catholic people who have begun bouncing around visiting evangelical
churches, I have asked them, why are you visiting evangelical churches?
And I love it when I hear that people are coming under the
conviction of God, that salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone, and Christ alone, or
they hear, because the ministers there really open up and teach the Bible, where you only hear a
five -minute homily in the Catholic Church.
Those kinds of things I'm happy to hear, but one should never
convert purely, or even predominantly, because of
where a certain, or should I say, how a certain congregation
makes them feel.
Obviously good feelings are a great part of it, to feel welcome and
loved and cared for, that's a good thing, and that's a good element of a
church to be manifesting when they have visitors and so on.
But when that's the only reason, you know, I love this church, I want to join it, because they have a potluck
lunch every second Sunday of the month, or whatever it is.
They have so many programs for the kids, and you know, you could go on and on, but
their concerns have nothing to do with salvific reasons, with
major biblical reasons, with major doctrinal reasons that may even have
eternity attached to them.
Does it concern you that there may be a lot of folks
who love the smells and bells, who love the way they feel when they
go to an Anglican church, and I'm not sure where on the ladder of low versus
high church, maybe you can give us a little more detail on that, you are,
and your congregation, a good shepherd, but there are people who, there are aesthetic reasons
why they change churches or even convert that
really have nothing to do with their soul, and I was wondering if that concerns you, that there is a
phenomenon where people just love the mystique and the religiosity or the feeling of being in
a church that is more highly liturgical.
First off, I love a good potluck.
I am a retentive
man, I do.
I mean, I'm preaching through Revelation right now, and we're just in the beginning
phases of the book,
and one of the things that I highlighted here recently in a sermon was that
love for the 1928 prayer book or the 1662 prayer book isn't enough.
There needs to be, you need
to have a fervent love for Christ and Christ's truth, and
one of the core things about Anglicanism, classical Anglicanism,
without feelings and
emotions in the Gospel,
the Reformed Episcopal Church
gets accused of that a
lot.
I like to tell
people we are
Anglican, the
feelings
that people get, that's just
not enough.
Be practicing Anglicanism, because the whole point of
Anglicanism is by the Apostles.
And I think that's probably my biggest concern here, is that you see a lot of people who practice
Anglicanism because they have preconceived notions.
And I have met individuals who will, even though they believe in the
Gospel, even though they are apparently,
by their thoughts and words and deeds, are
regenerate, they will join themselves with even a
liberal Episcopalian church purely because they love the liturgy.
And one person who has really made that clear, I don't know him personally,
I love his show most of the time, vast majority of the time, but Tucker Carlson on
Fox News, he is known for making fun and
even mocking Episcopalianism, and yet he remains an
Episcopalian because he loves the liturgy.
That was his only reason that he gets it, obviously makes him feel good, makes him feel religious or something.
But first of all, why don't you provide for our listeners the
main tenets that you think must exist within either a
congregation or parish or denomination for it to be rightly called Anglican?
Right, and I think that's a very important question.
I think that speaks to our identity.
And I know people get tired of hearing about the debate about Anglican identity, but I mean
that's something that we need to nail down.
The Episcopalian identity is contingent
upon, and earlier in the program you said something about
the Anglican Communion.
I want to make it clear that the Anglican Church of North America and the Reformed Episcopaly,
the Archbishop of Canterbury recognizes us clergy,
not part of the
Anglican Communion.
And I would go so far as to say, what's the point?
Perhaps I used the wrong phrase when I was speaking of communion.
I did not mean the official Church of England.
Right, so we do have connections with GAFCON, the
Global Anglican Futures Conference, which is
Africa and Asia, the Middle East, who are biblically Orthodox.
Our connection there, but
again, Anglican Communion does not.
I don't think that that's accurately depicting Anglicanism.
That
thing that makes an Anglican an Anglican is the formularies.
The Book of Common Prayer, the Ordinal of 1662, specifically the
1662 Prayer Book, the 39 Articles, those
are the things that make us Anglican.
Those are our patrimony.
Those are the things that the Anglican Reformers handed down to us.
And I think a lot of churches that call themselves Anglican have significantly departed from those
things.
And
the problem we see in liberal Anglicanism,
and even to some extent with Friends, but
I'm going to go there, the formularies, historic documents,
that destabilizes the church.
And so what has
happened in a
special way, we
have a confessional document so we can believe whatever we want.
And they might even use church fathers to justify their position.
They might use Second Vatican
Council theories and ideas for doing things.
I mean, the 1979 Prayer
Book used in most of the Episcopal churches, it's a nightmare.
But I think that has a lot to do with why we are where we are today.
And you mentioned before that there are people who you believe have converted or want to
convert to Anglicanism, thinking that they will be receiving and
experiencing something entirely different than the reality.
I'm sorry, I don't understand how you mean.
Well, I believe you said before, there are people who have
wrong expectations when they convert to Anglicanism.
They're thinking of something in their mind, a picture they got somehow
that is false.
If you could maybe give us a few reasons why that would be.
One of the things I
have is one
of these things, this
idea that
evangelicals
dream up,
how Anglicanism is the
reformed.
But there are a lot of people who think that Anglicanism
is the reformed.
Right, often phrased the via media.
Right, where the via media between Lutheranism
and Anglicanism was formulated.
And so you'd have a wide variety.
You'd have Lutheran Anglicans, high churchmen, and you'd have reformed Anglicans, low churchmen in the Church of
England.
And the Elizabethan settlement
is so wide, you really get, quite
frankly, confusion, more so than a
streamlined...
I think that's
a big part of
the problem.
The late Thomas McKenzie, in his book The Anglican Way,
I think that book misrepresents a lot of what Anglicanism is,
liturgy in
the
night.
I think what those books do is they
muddy the waters a little bit about what actual Anglicanism is.
And so you get people, and I'll get them in the parish, all these preconceived notions
because of all these multiple voices, and they end up being, in time,
dissatisfied with what they are.
It's not what they expected it to be.
They were expecting Roman Catholic light, praying to the saints, and all
of those things.
And then they find out that we don't have a monstrance in the
39 articles, and they find that a disappointment.
By the way, does the Episcopal Church USA, the main line largest denier,
identifying itself as Episcopalian, which I don't know if I could say
with absolute certainty that the majority of it is apostate, but certainly a
significant element of it is, do they still on paper claim to adhere
to the 39 articles?
Because I believe at one time, to be ordained into the Episcopal Church, you
had to pledge some kind of an allegiance to those articles, even
after they had become sort of a relic amongst Episcopalians.
I have
not
ever been
evangelical,
but I can't speak to whether
they still require affirmation to the 39 articles for ordination.
I do know I had to sign a document stating that I affirmed the 39
-formed Episcopal Church, but I can't speak for the Episcopal Church.
What I will say about the Episcopal Church is that they are
orthodox clergy.
I mean, recently, they
refused to receive...
Yes.
In fact, could you pick up on Reverend Love, because we have to go to the midway break right now, but pick up right when we return.
Sure.
Okay, folks, this is a longer than normal break.
Please be patient, and send in your questions to chrisarnson at
gmail .com.
We'll be right back with Ricky McCarl right after these messages from our sponsor.
Attention, all men in ministry leadership.
You're all invited to my friend Chris Arnson's Iron Sharpens Iron Radio Free Pastors Luncheon,
Thursday, September 22nd, 11 a .m. to 2 p .m. at Church of the Living Christ in Loisville,
Pennsylvania, featuring me, James White of Alpha and Omega Ministries, your keynote speaker.
Not only will you enjoy a wonderful time of fellowship with your colleagues in ministry over a delicious meal, but you'll also
receive dozens of free brand new books donated by Christian publishers all over the United States
and the United Kingdom, personally selected by Chris Arnson, host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.
So if you're a pastor, an elder, a deacon, a parachurch leader, or any other man in ministry leadership,
please register for the Iron Sharpens Iron Radio Free Pastors Luncheon today
by calling 631 -291 -7002. 631 -291 -7002.
Or by visiting IronSharpensIronRadio .com.
IronSharpensIronRadio .com.
This is James White of Alpha and Omega Ministries, hoping to see you Thursday, September 22nd, 11 a
.m. to 2 p .m. at Church of the Living Christ in Loisville, Pennsylvania, for Chris Arnson's
Iron Sharpens Iron Radio Free Pastors Luncheon.
Why can't we?
How do we know we picked the right Bible?
Why do we go to church on Sunday?
Parents, if your kids have questions about God's Word and His creation, they would love
to read our new Reformed magazine called Ignited by the Word.
This magazine is packed full of devotionals, Bible stories, church history,
poems, activities, and more to encourage you and kids of all ages in their
walk with God.
Created by a team of teachers, ministers, mothers, fathers, and more, we know
how important it is to have Christian literature in our homes.
Order Ignited by the Word for your home today at ignitedbytheword .org.
Learn more information and subscribe now at ignitedbytheword .org and receive your first
two issues free.
Getting a driver's license, running a cash register, flipping burgers, passing sixth grade.
Do you know what they all have in common?
They all require training, assessments, and certifications.
But do you know what requires no training at all?
Becoming a parent.
My name is A .M. Brewster.
I'm the president of Truth, Love, Parent and host of its award -winning podcast.
I've been a biblical family counselor since the early 2000s, and what I've discovered is that the majority of Christian parents have
never been biblically equipped to do the work of the ministry in their homes.
That's why Truth, Love, Parent exists.
We serve God by equipping dads and moms to be the ambassador parents God called and created them to be.
We produce free parenting resources, train church leaders, and offer biblical counseling so that the next generation of
dads and moms can use the scriptures to parent their children for life and godliness.
Please visit us at truthloveparent .com.
Every day at thousands of community centers, high schools, middle schools, juvenile institutions,
coffee shops, and local hangouts, Long Island Youth for Christ staff and volunteers meet with young people
who need Jesus.
We are rural and urban, and we are always about the message of Jesus.
Our mission is to have a noticeable spiritual impact on Long Island, New York by engaging young people in the lifelong
journey of following Christ.
Long Island Youth for Christ has been a stalwart bedrock ministry since 1959.
We have a world -class staff and a proven track record of bringing consistent love and encouragement
to youths in need all over the country and around the world.
Help honor our history by becoming a part of our future.
Volunteer, donate, pray, or all of the above.
For details, call Long Island Youth for Christ at 631 -385
-8333.
That's 631 -385 -8333.
Or visit liyfc .org.
That's liyfc .org.
James White of Alpha Omega Ministries here.
If you've watched my Dividing Line webcast often enough, you know I have a great love for getting Bibles and other
documents vital to my ministry rebound to preserve and ensure their longevity.
And besides that, they feel so good.
I'm so delighted I discovered Post Tenebrous Lux Bible rebinding.
No radio ad will be long enough to sing their praises sufficiently, but I'll give it a shot.
Jeffrey Rice of Post Tenebrous Lux is a remarkably gifted craftsman and artisan.
All his work is done by hand from the cutting to the pleating of corners to the perimeter stitching.
Jeffrey uses the finest in buttery soft imported leathers in a wide variety of gorgeous colors like
the turquoise goatskin tanned in Italy used for my Nessie Allen 28th edition with a navy
blue goatskin inside liner and the electric blue goatskin from a French tannery used to rebind a
Reformation study Bible I used as a gift.
The silver gilding he added on the page edges has a stunning mirror finish resembling highly polished
chrome.
Jeffrey will customize your rebinding to your specifications and even emboss your logo into the leather,
making whatever he rebinds a one -of -a -kind work of art.
For more details on Post Tenebrous Lux Bible rebinding, go to
ptlbiblerebinding .com.
That's ptlbiblerebinding .com.
When Iron Sharpens.
Iron Radio first launched in 2005, the publishers of the New American Standard Bible were
among my very first sponsors.
It gives me joy knowing that many scholars and pastors in the Iron Sharpens Iron Radio audience have been
sticking with or switching to the NASB.
I'm Pastor Nate Pickowitz of Harvest Bible Church in Gilmanton Iron Works, New Hampshire, and the NASB
is my Bible of choice.
I'm Pastor Rich Jensen of Hope Reform Baptist Church in Quorum,.
New York, and the NASB is my Bible of choice.
I'm Pastor Sule Prince of Oakwood Wesleyan Church in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, and the
NASB is my Bible of choice.
I'm Pastor John.
Samson of King's Church in Peoria, Arizona, and the NASB is my Bible of choice.
I'm Pastor.
Chuck Volo of New Life Community Church in Kingsville, Maryland, and the NASB is my
Bible.
Of choice.
I'm Pastor Steve Herford of Eastport Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Florida, and the NASB is
my Bible of choice.
I'm Pastor Roy Owens, Jr. of the Church in Friendship in Hockley, Texas, and the NASB is
my Bible of choice.
Here's a great way for your church.
To help keep Iron Sharpens Iron Radio on the air.
Pastors, are your pew Bibles tattered and falling apart?
Consider restocking your pews with the NASB, and tell the publishers you heard about them
from Chris Arnson on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.
Go to nasbible .com.
That's nasbible .com to place your order.
This
is Pastor Bill Sousa of Grace Church at Franklin here in the beautiful state of Tennessee.
Our congregation is one of a growing number of churches who love and support Iron Sharpens
Iron Radio financially.
Grace Church at Franklin is an independent, autonomous body of believers, which strives
to clearly declare the whole counsel of God as revealed in Scripture through the person and work
of our Lord Jesus Christ.
And of course, the end of which we strive is the glory of God.
If you live near Franklin, Tennessee, and Franklin is just south of Nashville, maybe 10 minutes,
or you are visiting this area, or you have friends and loved ones nearby, we hope you will
join us some Lord's Day in worshiping our God and Savior.
Please feel free to contact me if you have more questions about Grace Church at Franklin.
Our website is gracechurchatfranklin .org.
That's gracechurchatfranklin .org.
This is Pastor Bill Sousa wishing you all the richest blessings of our Sovereign
Lord, God, Savior, and King Jesus Christ today and
always.
Hi, I'm Buzz Taylor.
Chris Arnzen of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio has had a long -time partnership with our friends at
CVBBS, which stands for Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service.
They specialize in supplying Reformed and Puritan books and Bibles at discount prices that make them affordable for
everyone.
CVBBS has been a family -owned book service since 1987, operating out of Carlisle, Pennsylvania.
They seek to bring you the best available Christian books and Bibles at the best possible prices.
Unlike other book sites, they make no effort to provide every book that is available or popular because, frankly,
much of what is being printed is not worth your time.
That means you can get to the good stuff faster.
It also means you don't have to worry about being assaulted by the pornographic, heretical, and otherwise faith
-insulting materials promoted by the secular book vendors.
Browse the pages at ease, shop at your leisure, and purchase with confidence at Cumberland Valley
Bible Book Service.
Order online at cvbbs .com.
That's cvbbs .com.
Or, you can order by phone at 1 -877 -422 -4222.
That's 1 -800 -656 -0231.
That's 1 -800 -656 -0231.
Please let our friends at CVBBS know that you heard about them on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.
James White of Alpha Omega Ministries here, excited to announce that my longtime friend, Chris Arnzen of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio
and I are heading to Washington, D .C. for the G3 Ministries Regional Conference on the theme,
Just Thinking About the Bible.
The conference will be held Thursday, September 15th, through Saturday, September 17th.
I'll be speaking along with Stephen Lawson, Josh Weiss, founder of G3 Ministries, and Daryl Bernard Harrison
and Virgil Walker, co -hosts of the Just Thinking podcast.
To register, visit g3min .org, that's g3min .org, and click on Events.
Your registration will include a ticket to the Museum of the Bible nearby the conference venue in Washington, D .C.
So join me and Chris Arnzen, September 15th through the 17th in Washington, D .C. for the G3
Ministries Regional Conference.
Register now before they run out of seats at g3min .org, that's g3min .org.
Stop by the Iron Sharpens Iron Radio Exhibitor booth and say hi to Chris Arnzen while you're there.
Charles Haddon Spurgeon once said, Give yourself unto reading.
The man who never reads will never be read.
He who never quotes will never be quoted.
He who will not use the thoughts of other men's brains proves that he has no brains of his own.
You need to read.
Solid Ground Christian Books is a publisher and book distributor who takes these words of the Prince of Preachers to heart.
The mission of Solid Ground Christian Books is to bring back treasures of the past to minister to Christians in the present and
future, and to publish new titles that address burning issues in the church and the world.
Since its beginning in 2001, Solid Ground has been committed to publish God -centered, Christ -exalting
books for all ages.
We invite you to go treasure hunting at solid -ground -books .com.
That's solid -ground -books .com and see what priceless literary gems from the past
or present you can unearth from Solid Ground.
Solid Ground Christian Books is honored to be a weekly sponsor of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.
And please always remember, folks, you should make your very first stop for all of your
gift -giving needs, solid -ground -books .com.
Solid -ground -books .com.
Why not give a gift to someone you love that has eternal significance?
And when you're purchasing gifts for your loved ones, when they're Christian gifts and when it is the
finest of Christian literature, please remember, don't only give biblically solid Christian
books to your brothers and sisters in Christ.
Remember the lost people in your life.
God, for centuries, has used solid, biblically faithful, extra
-canonical books to draw the lost to salvation.
So remember your lost family, friends, and loved ones as well when you purchase from solid
-ground -books .com.
I always mention that you heard about them from Chris Orenson of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.
Before I return to my guest, Reverend Ricky McCarl of
Good Shepherd Anglican Church in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, I have a few very important announcements to make.
First of all, if you are as concerned about the
heresies of Joel Osteen, a notorious false teacher
and televangelist, dangerously so, then you might want to
find out more about an event that's going to be held this Saturday at Yankee Stadium in the
Bronx, New York.
If you especially live near the five boroughs of New York City or can
travel there this Saturday, Joel Osteen is going to be speaking,
unfortunately, at Yankee Stadium.
And Soul Fishing Ministries, a really sound and solid, biblically faithful
parachurch ministry connected to Grace Baptist Church
in Queens, New York, they are going to be there as an evangelical
witness and biblical witness with tracts and other
ways of evangelism at this Joel Osteen event this Saturday.
So, if you want to find out more about it, go to soulfishingministries .org,
soulfishingministries .org, and click on events.
You'll have all the information that you need.
Also, folks, if you love this show and you don't want it to disappear from the airways,
I'm urging you, please, go to ironsharpensirenradio .com, click support, then
click, click to donate now.
You can donate instantly with a debit or credit card in that fashion, and if you prefer snail mail,
sending in a physical check to a physical address the old -fashioned way at your local post office, there
will also be a physical address that appears on your screen where you can mail your checks, made
payable to Ironsharpensiren Radio, when you click support at ironsharpensirenradio .com.
If you want to advertise with us, whether it's your church, your parachurch organization, your business,
your private professional practice, a special event you're having, as long as whatever it is
you're promoting is compatible with what I believe, you don't have to believe identically with me, but you need to be promoting something that
is the very least compatible with what I believe, and please, send me an email to chrisarnson at gmail .com and put advertising
in the subject line.
Chrisarnson at gmail .com and put advertising in the subject line.
Also, folks, I try to remind you every day, please do not cut
into your regular giving that you're accustomed to, to your own local church where you're a member, in
order to give to Ironsharpensiren Radio.
In other words, don't give your own church less money in order to bless us financially.
Please never do that, and also, if you are personally really struggling to survive,
I don't want to be the cause of even more bills stacking up on your kitchen table unpaid,
or having less food on your dinner table, because you've given to Ironsharpensiren Radio when
you're really, really in a bad way financially.
Well, please wait until you are more financially stable and on your feet before you give us a gift.
If those two things are commands of God and scripture, providing for church and family, providing for my radio show,
is obviously not a command.
But, if you love the show and you do have extra money above and beyond your ability to obey those two commands, providing for
church and home, you have extra money collecting interest in the bank, and you have extra money for benevolent,
recreational, and trivial purposes, please, if you love the show and don't want us to go off the air,
share some of that money with us.
You go to ironsharpensirenradio .com, click support, then click, click to donate now.
Also, if you are not a member of a biblically faithful church, like Good Shepherd
Anglican Church in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, no matter where you live on the planet Earth, I may be able to help
you find a church.
I have extensive lists of biblically faithful churches all over the world, and I have helped
people crossing the globe, spanning the globe, in all parts of the
world.
I've helped people find churches, sometimes just a few minutes from where they live.
So, if that is you, if you are unfamiliar with a Christ -honoring, biblically faithful church
near where you live, anywhere on the planet Earth, or if it's somebody that you know and love
who is in that predicament, then send me an email to chrisarnson at gmail .com and put, I need
a church in the subject line.
That's chrisarnson at gmail .com, I need a church in the subject line.
That's also the email address where you can send in a question to Reverend Ricky McCarl.
He is, as we were saying before, a vicar of Good Shepherd Anglican Church in Harrisburg,
Pennsylvania, and we are discussing an assessment of those who
convert for erroneous reasons and in name only.
Just out of curiosity, when it comes to the very well -known
conversion of Beth Moore from the Southern Baptist Convention to Anglicanism, do you have
any reason to believe that she did not enter into this
new religious experience knowing about what
Anglicanism is about?
There are people who sometimes convert because they know they can get lost somewhere,
or maybe not even convert, but just go from one congregation to another because they know they can
get away with teaching and believing and behaving in the way that they really want to
without being ostracized or disciplined or being, you
know, put under a spotlight.
They kind of can get lost, if you will.
Do you know what the specific situation is with Beth Moore without, obviously,
impugning her with motives that she doesn't have?
Especially when the Southern Baptist Convention is so polluted with the woke movement.
Oh, yeah, I
mean, I would
imagine she was
probably on
that, and
of course against, wokeism in the
church to some controversy.
So, at this point, that's
going to go, but why would someone
convert to conservatism and go to the best
of minds?
So, that is a
curiosity
to me as well.
I don't exactly understand that.
All I can say is that I do know that a number of people leave conservative denominations for the
ACNA thinking that we're going to be theologically stringent,
less, you know, theologically
rigorous.
I tell people
that we allow for the ordination
of women in some diocese.
It's an exception to the rule rather than the rule.
But I think because it happens, people think that that's, you know, where we are.
Somewhat recently, within the past four or five years, the province
put out a study on women's ordination, and the
study said that women's ordination was...
That's an official statement from the church.
So, I'm not really sure I understand.
I don't understand why people think they're going to be able to get away
with it.
We have Ted in Moundville, Alabama, who doesn't really have a question, but he has a
humorous anecdote.
He said, when my wife and I were first attending an Anglican congregation back in Pennsylvania, they had a fish
fry or roast beef dinner or some such fellowship meal on a Saturday evening.
Since we were still new, we were introducing ourselves to people and asking about
them and their church experience.
We asked an older couple sitting across from us, so, are you folks members of St. Paul's?
The husband somewhat curmudgeonly responded, nah, we're Presbyterians.
We just came for the food.
Well, we love Presbyterians
and a
regular...
Yes, so do I.
... in the area.
And Ted
adds
to this email, and I'm assuming he is speaking of your comments
about three.
Streams.
Anglicanism.
He says, your guest is absolutely right about muddying of the waters.
Sometimes I think that the blues legend Muddy Waters should be the patron saint of the Anglican
communion in the U .S.
Yes, well, you know, like I said, I'm preaching through Revelation.
It's warm or cold,
but I'm mindful of the fact that I wish that people were either Anglo -Catholic or Reformed.
Now, you just said you're preaching through Revelation.
I'm assuming that you do, I don't know if it's exclusively, but you do
conduct expository preaching?
Yeah, in the summer months, I usually will preach through a book of the Bible.
Now, I'd like you to give your own
words of warning, of challenge, of encouragement, of challenge to
ministers within the Anglican identity
about, I want you to warn and challenge them about what you think are the greatest
dangers that you see encroaching upon even
the conservative communions.
It's interesting to witness in history how different groups,
denominations, fellowships, it's like a pendulum that goes back and forth.
Like, for instance, the Southern Baptist Convention that we've been speaking about.
They went through a purging in the 1980s where liberals
were removed from positions on faculties and
removed from their pastoral offices, and it was a
cleansing, if you will.
And now, you see, you know, the Southern Baptist Convention has finally
reached a point where it is fairly universally
a conservative and biblically faithful denomination with divisions
among them regarding Calvinism and Arminianism and so forth.
But still, they had finally achieved a reasonable
level of fellowship that had integrity attached,
where there weren't actually apostates in authority in their midst.
And once they come to this place, they've invited the woke movement into
their midst.
It's just mind -boggling to me that this is occurring.
And so, do you have anything to say about your fellow ministers
who identify themselves as Anglican in this regard, of any kind of warning about the things you
see on the horizon or things that you already see occurring?
Well,
I have some...
I
do
believe
that...
Now, earlier in the program, you had begun to explain
the origins of the Reformed Episcopal Church being a response against
Romish beliefs and practices in the
Episcopalian church at large, known as the Oxford
Movement.
And do you see a resurgence of
that aberrant church life and teaching,
Romish in its identity and practice?
Do you see a resurgence of that even among people who are part of a group that actually
has its very founding in leaving that and protesting it?
Well, I will
say, I
don't
think
that's ever gone away.
But
there
are Anglican
down, because there's so much individualism in play there.
I mean, I
don't
think there are
Anglo -Catholics who are too bad decisions away from St.
Peter.
I will say, in the Reformed Episcopal Church, though, we still very much
are Reformed Episcopal clergy to
affirm the Declaration of Principles, which were written in response to
the Oxford Movement.
So whatever high churchmanship you see in the Reformed Episcopal Church is going to be
rooted in our Reformational heritage.
I was just talking with another minister today, or yesterday,
essentially
that's a
departure from Anglicanism.
The Book of Common Prayer is our patrimony, it's our heritage.
Yes, and we do have an anonymous listener who has a question.
Do you have an acceptance of people who may be
Baptists or Presbyterians who are beginning to visit your
congregation and may even join it, even though they have not accepted
Anglicanism as a whole, but they just find you to be the most biblically faithful church within a
reasonable driving distance, they like your preaching, they view you
highly as a shepherd, and they have come to befriend members of the
congregation.
They have found a home there.
Do they need to be Anglican.
To actually become members?
No, actually our
church
organist
is a
bull, she plays the organ beautifully, she has
enriched our worship so much, I'm so thankful for her.
And like I said, in addition to Dave Waterman, we have a number
regularly.
I have, with your past, Johnny Miller,
and other...
It's funny, when I came to Good Shepherd two and a half
years ago, I was looking for ministerium meetings to go to, and I went to
the local Harrisburg ministerium, and it was liberal, UC
Seidman, PCUSA Presbyterians,
and I hated every second of it, and so
I find my most warmest, and that might be
because I grew up, but no, no, we welcome
this in
the triune name of God.
And by the
way, since you brought
up our mutual.
Friend David Waterman a couple of times, I want to give a plug to the website
of the parachurch organization to which he so enthusiastically belongs,
Christian Businessmen's Connection.
Your website is cbmc .com, cbmc .com which stands for
Christian Businessmen's Connection, cbmc .com, and you can find out where
the most local branch of that nationwide organization
can be found.
They have a specific website right here in this area as well, in Pennsylvania, and
you can find out all of that information at cbmc .com.
Let's see, we have another listener.
We have...
I was just looking at it.
Oh, CJ from Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York.
Every time I mention Anglicanism or Christianity, I have to mention Episcopalianism to a
friend, even a Christian brother.
The very first response, 99 % of the time is, they're just like Roman Catholics, aren't they?
How do you respond to that frequently uttered phrase, at least in my experience?
Yes, it's interesting because sometimes I will get...
In the past I've known people
from...
One
of the questions
is, do you actually
believe that?
I can see why people think that on the
exterior, because I vest in
a chasuble for...
It tells people we have a reformed theology.
Yeah, I don't think that's an accurate...
But that's
one of the reasons why I come on your show.
I want to...
The
Roman Catholic Church, you're looking at the Roman Catholic Church and
Anglicanism...
Why people
would
think
that...
And we joke
sometimes
about our former presiding bishop
about Romaphobia.
People would, you know...
Those things are just external.
The deeper things...
Our friend in Moundville, Alabama, Ted, just chimed in.
And he, I think, is just correcting...
I just saw it in front of me.
Oh, here it is.
That was Leo VIII who issued that bull.
There you go. Thank you. I appreciate it.
We have Bobby in Hartsdale, New York, who wants to know,
is Jerusalem an orthodox hymn that we should
sing?
I know it has its roots in the Anglican Church in the 20th century, and it
was composed by William Blake, but I don't know anything about Mr. Blake.
And the lyrics seem to be strikingly familiar with the heresy of Anglo
-Israelism, but I.
Don't know if I'm overstepping
on
that.
Sure.
In
fact, when I
was a teenager, I used to.
Love hearing, of all people, Emerson, Lake, and Palmer sing that.
Yes, sure, sure,
yes.
Because I, in addition to being in ministry, I also work as a
funeral
director,
and he is the...
And he
was a
kin to
wear
that hymn
to
that,
though
I'm sure there
are...
Of the legend, but what I will say about that is that it's a legend, a
biblical.
Basis for it in reality.
There's something very hauntingly beautiful.
About hearing a choir sing that.
Sure.
And I will say that the, you know, our Lord is the creator of the universe, and
who's to say he didn't at some time in ancient days walk upon England's mountain
greens?
And in contradiction to the Mormons, he did.
Not walk the grounds of the North American continent.
No, indeed, indeed, yes.
We're going to go to our final break right now.
It's going to be much more brief than the other breaks.
If you have a question, please send it in immediately to chrisarnson at gmail .com because we're rapidly running out of time.
Chrisarnson at gmail .com.
Give us your first name at least, your city and state, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.
Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter, don't go away.
We'll be right back.
With Reverend Ricky
McCarl.
James White of Alpha and Omega Ministries here,.
Excited to announce that my longtime friend Chris Arnson of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio and I are heading to
Washington D .C. for the G3 Ministries regional conference on the theme, Just Thinking About the Bible.
The conference will be held Thursday, September 15th through Saturday, September 17th.
I'll be speaking along with Stephen Lawson, Josh Weiss, founder of G3 Ministries, and Daryl Bernard
Harrison and Virgil Walker, co -hosts of the Just Thinking podcast.
To register, visit g3min .org, that's g3min .org, and click on events.
Your registration will include a ticket to the Museum of the Bible nearby the conference venue in Washington, D .C.
So join me and Chris Arnson, September 15th through the 17th in Washington, D .C. for the G3
Ministries regional conference.
Register now before they run out of seats at g3min .org, that's g3min .org.
Stop by the Iron Sharpens Iron Radio exhibitor booth and say hi to Chris Arnson while you're there.
As a mother, I was looking for a magazine that would include devotionals that I
could quickly do before school and had theology and doctrine made very simple for children to
understand that they could read themselves or I could walk them through.
There's tiered content so that you can go to the older group and learn more or go to a younger section
and it's even more simple.
Join us on our journey in developing our magazine entitled Ignited by the Word, which
engages and ignites the hearts of our children and young people in their walk with God.
Order Ignited by the Word for your home today at ignitedbytheword .org.
Learn more information and subscribe now at ignitedbytheword .org and receive your first
two issues free and put good literature in your children's hands.
When Iron Sharpens Iron Radio first launched in 2005, the publishers of the New American
Standard Bible were among my very first sponsors.
It gives me joy knowing that many scholars and pastors in the Iron Sharpens Iron Radio audience have been
sticking with or switching.
To the NASB.
I'm Dr. Joseph Piper, President and Professor of Systematic and Homiletical Theology at Greenville
Presbyterian Theological Seminary in Taylors, South Carolina, and the NASB is
my Bible of choice.
I'm Pastor Chuck White of the First Trinity Lutheran Church in Tonawanda, New York, and the NASB
is my Bible of choice.
I'm Pastor Anthony Methenia of Christ Church.
In Radford, Virginia, and the NASB is my Bible of choice.
I'm Pastor Jesse Miller of Damascus Road Christian Church in Gardnerville, Nevada,.
And the NASB is my Bible of choice.
I'm Pastor Bruce Bennett of Word of Truth Church in Farmingville, Long Island, New York, and
the NASB is my Bible of choice.
I'm Pastor Rodney Brown of Metro Bible Church in Southlake, Texas, and the NASB is
my Bible.
Of choice.
I'm Pastor Jim Harrison of Red Mills Baptist Church in Mayapac Falls, New York, and the NASB
is my Bible of choice.
Here's a great way for your church to help keep Iron Sharpens Iron Radio on the air.
Pastors, are your pew Bibles tattered and falling apart?
Consider restocking your pews with the NASB, and tell the publishers you heard about them
from Chris Arnzen on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.
Go to nasbible .com.
That's nasbible .com to place your order.
I'm Dr.
Joseph Piper, President Emeritus and Professor of Systematic and Applied Theology.
At Greenville Presbyterian Theological Seminary.
Every Christian who's serious about the Deformed Faith and the Westminster Standards should have and use
the eight -volume commentary on the Theology and Ethics of the Westminster Larger Catechism,
titled Authentic Christianity by Dr. Joseph Morecraft.
It is much more than an exposition of the Larger Catechism.
It is a thoroughly researched work that utilizes biblical exegesis as well as historical and
systematic theology.
Dr. Morecraft is Pastor of Heritage Presbyterian Church of Cumming, Georgia, and I urge everyone looking
for a biblically faithful church in that area to visit that fine congregation.
For details on the eight -volume commentary, go to westminstercommentary .com.
Westminstercommentary .com.
For details on Heritage Presbyterian Church of Cumming, Georgia, visit
heritagepresbyterianchurch .com.
Heritagepresbyterianchurch .com.
Please tell Dr. Morecraft and the saints at Heritage Presbyterian Church of Cumming, Georgia that Dr. Joseph
Piper of Greenville Presbyterian Theological Seminary sends you.
Anchored in Truth Ministries is the mission arm of Grace Life Church of the Shoals.
Based in Alabama, it supports missionaries in over 13 countries around the world.
Anchored in Truth is in partnership with 36 church plants, as well as radio stations,
theological seminaries, and various programs for unreached people groups.
With an aim to glorify God and reach the nations with the gospel, it is a blessing to see
how God has used Anchored in Truth in so many different contexts globally, as well as
locally.
To find out more about this vital work worldwide, visit anchoredintruth
.org.
I'm Dr. Tony Costa, Professor of Apologetics and Islam at Toronto Baptist Seminary.
I'm thrilled to introduce to you a church where I've been invited to speak and have grown to love,
Hope Reform Baptist Church in Corham, Long Island, New York, pastored by Rich Jensen and Christopher
McDowell.
It's such a joy to witness and experience fellowship with people of God like the dear saints at Hope Reform Baptist Church
in Corham, who have an intensely passionate desire to continue digging deeper and deeper into
the unfathomable riches of Christ in His Holy Word, and to enthusiastically proclaim
Christ Jesus the King and His doctrines of sovereign grace in Suffolk County, Long Island, and
beyond.
I hope you also have the privilege of discovering this precious congregation and receive the blessing
of being showered by their love, as I have.
For more information on Hope Reform Baptist Church, go to hopereformedli .net,
that's hopereformedli .net, or
call 631 -696 -5711.
That's 631 -696 -5711.
Tell the folks at Hope Reform Baptist Church of Corham, Long Island, New York, that you heard about them from Tony Costa
on Iron Sharpens Iron.
Lindbrook Baptist Church on 225 Earl Avenue in Lindbrook, Long Island, is teaching God's timeless truths in
the 21st century.
Our church is far more than a Sunday worship service.
It's a place of learning where the scriptures are studied and the preaching of the gospel is clear and relevant.
It's like a gym where one can exercise their faith through community involvement.
It's like a hospital for wounded souls where one can find compassionate people and healing.
We're a diverse family of all ages.
Enthusiastically serving our Lord Jesus Christ.
In fellowship, play, and together.
Hi, I'm Pastor Bob Walderman, and I invite you to come and join us here at Lindbrook Baptist Church and see all that a church can.
Be.
Call Lindbrook Baptist at 516 -599 -9402, that's 516 -599
-9402, or visit Lindbrook Baptist dot org, that's Lindbrook Baptist dot org.
As host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, I frequently get requests from listeners for church recommendations.
A church I've been strongly recommending as far back as the 1980s is Grace Covenant Baptist Church in
Flemington, New Jersey, pastored by Alan Dunn.
Grace Covenant Baptist Church believes it's God's prerogative to determine how he shall be worshiped and how he
shall be represented in the world.
They believe churches need to turn to the Bible to discover what to include in worship and how to worship
God in spirit and truth.
Grace Covenant Baptist Church endeavors to maintain a God -centered focus.
Reading, preaching, and hearing the Word of God, singing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs,
baptism, and communion are the scriptural elements of their corporate worship, performed with faith, joy,
and sobriety.
Discover more about Grace Covenant Baptist Church in Flemington, New Jersey at G -C -B
-C -N -J dot Squarespace dot com.
That's G -C -B -C -N -J dot Squarespace dot com.
Or call them at 908 -996 -7654.
That's 908 -996 -7654.
Tell Pastor Dunn that you heard about Grace Covenant Baptist Church on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.
Hi, this is John Sampson, pastor of King's Church in Peoria, Arizona.
Taking a moment of your day to talk about Chris Arnzen and the Iron Sharpens Iron podcast.
I consider Chris a true friend and a man of high integrity.
He's a skilled interviewer who's not afraid to ask the big penetrating questions while always defending the key
doctrines of the Christian faith.
I've always been happy to point people to this podcast knowing it's one of the very few safe places on the internet
where folk won't be led astray.
I believe this podcast needs to be heard far and wide.
This is a day of great spiritual compromise and yet God has raised Chris up for just such a time.
And knowing this, it's up to us as members of the body of Christ to stand with such a ministry in prayer
and in finances.
I'm pleased to do so and would like to ask you to prayerfully consider joining me in supporting Iron
Sharpens Iron financially.
Would you consider sending either a one -time gift or even becoming a regular monthly partner with this ministry?
I know it would be a huge encouragement to Chris if you would.
All the details can be found at ironsharpensironradio .com where you can click support.
That's ironsharpensironradio .com.
If you love Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, one of the best ways you can help keep the show on the air is
by supporting our advertisers.
One such faithful advertiser who really believes in what Chris Arnton is doing is
Daniel P. Patafuco, serious injury lawyer and Christian apologist.
Dan is the president and founder of the Historical Bible Society.
Their mission?
To foster belief in the credibility of scripture as the written word of God.
They go to various churches, schools and institutions to publicly display a rare
collection of biblical texts along with a fascinating presentation by Mr. Patafuco
demonstrating the reliability of scripture.
To advance the cause of the gospel, they created a beautiful, perfect facsimile of the
genealogy of Jesus Christ from the original engravings contained in a first edition
1611 King James Bible.
This 17th century hand engraved chart shows the family tree of Jesus Christ
going back to Adam and Eve.
This book is complete with gorgeous full size illustrations of Noah's Ark and the Tower of
Babel and an explanation of why the genealogy of Jesus is so important for his claims
to the throne of the universe.
Originals of this work are in museums and nobody has ever made it accessible to the public
in a large book form before.
You can have your own copy of this 44 page genealogy book for a donation of $35
or more.
Visit historicalbiblesociety .org.
That's historicalbiblesociety .org.
Thanks for helping to keep Iron Sharpens Iron Radio on the air.
Have you noticed the gap that exists between the Sunday morning sermon and the Sunday school classroom or the small
group study?
So often we experience great preaching from the pulpit, but when it comes time to study God's Word in those
smaller settings, well, let's be honest, it leaves a lot to be desired.
It seems like it is nearly impossible to find good curriculum out there today that is true to the Word of God and is
built upon sound doctrine, much less it's hard to find curriculum that will actually teach people how to
study the Bible.
Hi there, my name is Jordan Too and I am the Executive Director of the Baptist Publishing House.
Our ministry is dedicated to providing local churches with sound Bible study
resources.
Our quarterly curriculum is titled The Baptist Expositor and for good reason, we are Baptist
and we exegete the scriptures.
If you want to have a curriculum that teaches your people how to study the Word of God, I invite you, go to our website,
download a free study, baptistpublishinghouse .com.
May God bless you.
And Reverend Ricky McCarl, if you could summarize what you most want etched upon the hearts and
minds of our listeners today before we go off the air.
Yes, I've given some thought to that.
Amen.
And we have time for one more brief question.
I have an Anglican minister friend who will only use
the Book of Common Prayer from the 16th century.
I believe it may be 1552.
He says he refuses to use the 1928 version.
Is there any reason for this?
Yes, there are some Anglicans who believe the latent
forms of Roman Catholicism in the 1928 prayer book.
This is a difficult question for such a short period of time.
The 28th prayer book comes to us from the Episcopal Church of Scotland, the Scottish
Episcopal Church.
It has in
the
Holy Spirit to come and bless the bread and the wine.
It's kind of a
redundancy
so widely used in the
American church.
So I understand a
rational
document.
Well, we are out of time.
I want to make sure that our listeners have your website once again, goodshepherdanglican
.net, goodshepherdanglican .net, and that is the website of Good Shepherd
Anglican Church in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.
I want to thank you so much, Reverend Ricky McCarl, for being such an excellent guest today, a
very informative guest.
I look forward to your return to the program.
Look forward to seeing you.
I hope that you are able to squeeze into your schedule the upcoming Iron Sharpens Iron Radio Pastors
Luncheon in Loisville, Pennsylvania, in Perry County.
That's Thursday, September 22nd, 11 a .m. to 2 p .m.
I'd love to see you and the men from Good Shepherd there in attendance.
And we typically do have several Anglican ministers show up at
these events.
And I want to thank everybody who listened today, especially those who took the time to write.
And I hope you all always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater
Savior than you are a sinner.