Is It Wrong to Call Women Whores?

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The Bible Bashed Introduction and the Question of Calling Women Whores

Welcome to Bible Bash, where we aim to equip the saints for the works of ministry by answering the questions you're not allowed to ask. We're your hosts, Harrison Kerrig and Pastor Tim Mullett, and today we'll answer the age-old question, is it wrong to call women whores?

Now Tim, as we kick this episode off, what Bible verse do you have for us to read?

Whoredom in Isaiah and the Bible's Language for Spiritual Unfaithfulness

Isaiah 121 says, how the faithful city has become a whore, she who was full of justice, righteousness lodged in her, but now murders. There you go.

Tim. Okay. Okay. So, obviously, the Bible seems to have a category for whore, right? Okay. So, you know, basically, a large part of why we wanted to talk about this is because there's been a bit of a, we'll call it a spirited discussion online about a certain tweet that went out from Eric Kahn where he essentially was accusing, I think, mostly fathers, but at least, you know, parents in general about who send their daughters off to college, you know, to rack up a bunch of debt and, you know, to become what he described as well-used mattresses.

And I'm sure we can all understand what he's insinuating there. But it seemed to, you know, kick off a little bit of a, he seemed to kick a little bit of a hornet's nest. Not necessarily as big a hornet's nest as we kicked a few months ago, you know.

So, Eric Kahn, he's still got a ways to go in terms of, in terms of, you know, saying true things that are controversial and true at the same time, but, you know, he's making progress and we got to pat him on the back for that, you know.

That's silly. Anyway, you know, so, he puts this tweet out and it upsets a lot of people. You know, I mean, I saw people, like, writing poems about how they were well-used mattresses and, you know, like, Jesus, you know, he had redeemed them and essentially trying to, you know, discredit what Eric Kahn was saying.

And, you know, so, a lot of people really sharply disagreed with him in terms of his wording, saying that it was unkind, it was unfair, it wasn't a helpful way to speak about women in general. And so, you know, thinking about the response to something like that, it really seems like people are kind of put off when you insinuate that any woman is behaving like a whore.

Is that right, Tim?

Yeah, I mean, basically, it seems like this is a word that enrages people. So, that's for sure.

Pete. So, why is that, though? I mean, you know, you just read a Bible verse where God was, you know, was calling the Israelite nation, his chosen nation, a whore. He was saying that his chosen people were behaving like a whore.

So, it seems like, you know, if you're familiar with the Old Testament at all, you're going to realize that that's not like an isolated thing. Like, that happens over and over again that God compares his people to a whore.

He compares other nations to behaving like a whore. And so, this is not like a new thing. This isn't a one-off type of thing. So, it seems like God has a category for that, but then for some reason, a lot of people in modern times, especially in the Christian communities, they get really off-put when you call someone a whore, when you, you know, when you use any sort of descriptive language that would force you to, you know, seemingly think the way that God speaks about people who are unfaithful.

So, why is that the case, Tim?

Old Testament Uses of Whore and the Rise of Sexual Taboo

Yeah, I mean, depending on the translation that you look up, this is a word that, I mean, can be used over a hundred times in the Bible. So, this isn't really, you know Which is a significant amount.

Yeah, I think I looked it up in the LSB or something along those lines when I first did it, and I think it was 114 times the term whore was used in general. So, that translation was preferred. Looking it up in the ESV right now, there's 76 verses with 91, like, references that are used that all sound the same way.

So, when you said that God called His people whores, I mean, it was a you said, you know, there's verses in the Old Testament where God called people whores. It was a bit of an understatement because, I mean, this may be one of the most frequent things He calls them, okay?

I mean, they weren't all that faithful, you know? So, this is kind of the go-to word that God uses to describe spiritual adultery in the Old Testament of His people against Him. And as you're reading through the Pentateuch, you'll see that Moses at that point, who is, you know, writing for God, is basically saying that, like, he's predicting that people are going to whore after other gods, and that's just the way he describes it.

So, I mean, you could just read verse after verse after verse that say the same basic things. So, you know, Exodus 34, 14, and you take their daughters for your sons, and their daughters whore after their gods, and make your sons whore after their gods.

I mean, this is the way that the Old Testament talks. Leviticus 17, 7. So, they shall no more sacrifice their sacrifices to goat demons after whom they whore. This shall be my statute forever for them throughout their generations.

You can just, I mean, the issue is you can read this, and this is just a descriptive adjective of Israel's spiritual unfaithfulness as compared to whoredom in different ways. And God goes into great detail just describing how disgusting this actually is in different ways.

So, part of what's happening is society has basically remarkably changed their instincts on this issue over the course of my lifetime. So, growing up, I mean, there's still social stigma attached to a woman being promiscuous in general.

So, even more so than a man, like, if a woman was promiscuous, she would be called a whore, she would be called a slut, you know? There would be adjectives that are used like that to describe her character, and that was something that was just very common for me to hear growing up, people describing women in that way who sleep around.

And there was just this understanding that you don't want to really marry a girl who's a slut, you don't want to marry a girl who's a whore. And then part of the problem is that right now, if I say those things right now, me even saying those words, these words that are in the Bible over and over again, it feels internally like I blasphemed something, right?

So, it feels like I've said something wrong. It feels like whatever I've done, I've done something fundamentally immoral, like I've uttered a blasphemy. And you should think about what that indicates about the society that we live in.

Meaning, you could watch TV shows right now and movies that constantly take the Lord's name in vain, that are filled with all kinds of cuss words. So, the kind of cuss words that we weren't allowed to say growing up.

So, all your four-letter words that we weren't allowed to say growing up, all those things. Right now, the issue is people are more offended if you say the word whore or slut or something like that. If you say those words, they're more offended by that than if you were to take the Lord's name in vain.

Or pretend to take the Lord's name in vain by one of the various replacements or something like that that we have. But they respond. You just say the word, I'm not even attaching it to any individual.

I'm just using the word in order to answer your question about how Christians should think about these things. So, I haven't even attached it to anyone in particular. I'm not pointing to a picture of someone and saying whore, whore, whore, whore, whore or something like that.

I'm not doing anything like that. I'm just, I'm trying to, like, there's a word in the Bible that was used, you know, in the ESV 76 times, and now that's become so taboo to the point where people treat it as if it's, like, far worse than anything you can think of.

And that's, so what that tells you is that, like, this is one of those inescapable concepts. Like, what that tells you is that, you know, every society is going to have blasphemy laws, and it's not whether or not you're going to have blasphemy laws, it's which blasphemy laws are you going to have.

And right now, this is one of the worst words you can say in our society. So, things have, like, over the course of my lifetime, this word has become, like, it's gone from being, maybe a little bit impolite, possibly crude, but slightly crude, but useful, right?

Like, a useful societal mechanism to identify certain destructive patterns of behavior. It's gone from that to now it's, like, the utter, like, one of the chief blasphemies you can say. And then if you say it, you watch the temperature in the room drop and everyone gets very uncomfortable because they know that a law has been transgressed, you know?

So, there's a law that's been transgressed in saying the word, but then they're not intuitively thinking to themself, that's weird that we're so offended by this right now. Why are we so offended by this.

When this is the word in the Bible so much? Petey. And what's really interesting is when I read that tweet that everyone was, you know, getting all bent out of shape over, I remember thinking the way that, you know, the way that he worded it, calling women who go off to college and who are, you know, incredibly sexually active, have multiple, you know, sexual partners throughout college, calling them well-used mattresses, I thought was a, when I read that part, it made, I felt like I was being encouraged to think about sexual immorality in a way that God would want me to think about sexual immorality, meaning, like, I was grossed out by it.

Petey. You know, like, I found it gross, you know, thinking about, like, that sort of descriptive word and, but then it seemed like everyone else was just getting offended, you know, totally offended by it and a lot of them, you know, a lot of that seemed to come from people who, you know, I don't know this for sure because I don't know any of these people, but it sounded like it was coming from people who were that way, you know, whether it was in college or, you know, some former part of their life, but then it sounds like God has, you know, probably delivered them out of those things now, but then they're still getting defensive over it, which is strange, you know, because, you know, like, I mean, we all have sins in our life that we partook in before we were, before we became Christians, but, you know, I have, I mean, I have all kinds of sins that I would partake in before I became a Christian and, you know, thankfully the Lord's been sanctifying me and, you know, bringing me out of those things, but then I don't, you know, I don't know that there's anything that I did before I was a Christian that I would hesitate to admit that I did and call, you know, what it is and use, like, use, like, the most degrading terms for it because I don't feel shame over it anymore.

Pete. Do you get what I'm saying? But then it feels like a lot of, it feels like a lot of these people are responding in, like, a shameful way, like they're still feeling shame over it. Does that make sense?

Jared. Yeah. Pete. So, is that why people are getting so upset about it or is there, you know, is there more to it? What's the deal here?

Why the Word Is So Offensive: Blasphemy, Shame, and Sexual Revolution

Jared. There's so much going on. Pete. You're like, how much time do we have? Jared. How long do we want to make this? Do we want to make it a couple hours or what? No, I mean, there's just so much going on in this topic that I don't even know where to start.

Like, my brain wants to go in 10 different directions at once because what you're observing is bizarre on the face of it. So, it's absolutely bizarre. I mean, it's bizarre in every single way imaginable and there's almost no ability right now to have sane discussions with individuals about this very thing.

So, this is just a topic that you can't really talk through and a lot of people are emoting. And part of what's happened is so many people have been trained to emote about this. So, there's a lot of things that are happening.

So, part of, let me see if I can list a few of the things that are conspiring to produce this bizarre kind of reaction, which should be on the face of it bizarre. So, I mean, anyone with a biblical worldview should be able to look at the Bible and say, okay, well, if God uses this word 91 times to 114 times, depending on the translation, whether or not you're going to use this phrase whore or prostitute or whatever else, God uses this phrase and it's not like a polite phrase, right?

So, it's not that. So, if God does that and when you're living in a society that is just totally unhinged by the use of this, then something has gone amiss, right? So, like I'm saying, I think there's a variety of things that have conspired to create this kind of situation to where so many people are reacting in the wrong way.

So, part of what's happening is that the standard, you know, I mentioned that there's blasphemy laws now, like thou shalt not, like we're triggering, we're flying afoul even having the conversation. So, like saying whore or something like that now is considered about as bad as saying the N-word or something like that.

It's about that bad, you know? So, like basically there's a standard there that has something weird has happened. And it's weird in both cases that both of those kinds of expressions are far worse things that people can say than taking the Lord's name in vain.

Like that's just bizarre, you know? But what's happening here is that slut-shaming, like the idea, so there's this idea of slut-shaming, like you can't slut-shame, basically. So, as society has changed, the new rule is that what's described as slut-shaming is the ultimate evil.

You can't do that. You can't do that at all. Now, part of, you know, well, why has that happened? Well, a lot of that is because female promiscuity rates are on the rise, so that's obviously true. So, like right now it's just a foregone conclusion that pretty much almost every girl out there is going to be fornicating before marriage.

That's just the reality. That's just the stats. That's just what the numbers bear out. So, what's happened is, post-sexual revolution, you're living in a pornographic society. Ladies right now are sleeping around.

That's just what it is. And with much greater frequency than has been in our country. So, those are just the raw stats. But then, part of what's happened is with the rise critical theory, you have anyone who is perceived as a victim class, they can't be shamed, they can't be blamed, right?

So, what's happening is that men are seen in our society as the ultimate villains because they're the ones who are, like, they're the patriarchy that's hidden behind the scenes that needs to be smashed.

And so, what's happening is that you have a lot of things that are conspiring to create the situation where in any kind of, you know, fornication, voluntary fornication that's happening in university campuses or wherever it's happening, you're living in a society right now that views men as villains and women as innocent victims, okay?

So, then, the calculus that happens is that every time two people voluntarily fornicate, it's the man's fault, okay? So, it's basically the man's fault and you can't blame the woman in any way. And then, men are by definition because they're, like, issue.

You think about these things as it relates to power dynamics that are involved in any kind of encounter, the guy is going to be viewed as the rapist because he's stronger than her, right?

Petey. Right. Yeah, and like, you know, even going so far as, like, hey, a woman can revoke her consent even after, you know, like, it's already done and gone and then they can still, you know, well, now that I've thought about it, I never wanted to do that to begin with.

Jared. I felt slightly pressured, you know,.

Or something like that or now I don't feel good about it anymore or you didn't call me next week or whatever it is. Like, the issue is now at this point, like, and none of that's good. I mean, like, hookup culture is bad, like, and, you know, there's a sense in which it's like, well, I play stupid games, get stupid prizes, but it's all nonsense, right?

Like, the rules are all nonsense. Like, the Bible has rules for what constitutes rape and what constitutes consensual fornication, and they don't involve, like, issues of just determining the gender of the person a priority and making assumptions about power dynamics and everything else.

So, you think about what's happening is promiscuity is on the rise, okay? And then you're in an egalitarian society that basically demands that you have to view men and women as the same. So, you have to view men and women as fundamentally the same in every kind of way, okay?

And so, then you're trying to hold them to the same standards. And so, there used to be, like, a double standard as it relates to it would be worse for a lady to sleep around than for a man. And now, like, we're trying to remove that kind of assumption and basically it's all the same, okay?

So, it's all the same, and then it's the man's fault, and then, you know, women are going to do it anyways. And then because women are victims, you can't shame them, you can't blame them, you have to have their back, right?

You have to basically take their side in every way. And so, you take all those things together and what you have is you have a situation where our society is basically just shouting at people to say, hey, like, woman is, like, liberated.

She's a liberated female, right? So, she doesn't need a man, she's created independent of man, she doesn't need him, she's just okay by herself. Whatever she does, she needs to be encouraged and validated and affirmed, you know, for who she is, right?

And so, basically, because she's a victim, you have to treat her like a victim in every single one of these encounters, and so, all those things are conspiring to produce this situation where, like, slut-shaming is, like, the worst thing you could possibly do right now.

The Double Standard Between Men and Women

Pete. Which is really, I mean, it's pretty strange if you think about it, like, how can you at the same time, and I've wondered this so often, but how can you at the same time be, you know, the greatest victim there is and also empowered and, you know, independent?

Those feel like two contradictory things to be experiencing at the same exact time. Jared.

Well, I mean, and it's totally bizarre, but then you think about it, like, that's, like, I mean, it doesn't, it's not meant to make any sense, okay? And that's why you have the mess you're in, but then think about it, like, you know, on the opposite side, if a guy, like, sleeps around with a lot of women, there's any number of, like, pejoratives that you could use to describe that guy, okay?

Like, meaning, like, he's not, like, there's no, like, there's no ceasefire on slut-shaming as it relates to men, you see what I'm saying? Pete. Right, yeah. Jared. Like, none of the rules apply to men, so to a man who's, like, a player or whatever, like, you can say whatever you want to say about him, you can call him an abuser, I mean, that's kind of the typical way that people go with the abuse kind of language is that, but like, he's fair game, but the woman is totally off-limits in these kind of encounters.

And so, now, in order

Pete. And just to be clear, I mean, we're not trying to encourage that, you know, we're not trying to say that it's, like, God views it as okay or permissible for a guy to be sexually immoral, right?

Jared. You made my qualification for me.

Pete. Okay, well, you know, yeah, but, you know, it's like, yeah, like, I mean, it feels like we shouldn't even have to say that because the Bible is very clear, but then, you know, it sounds like what you're saying is not that, hey, it's okay for the guy to do it, it's not okay for the girl to do it, it's just to say that it's not okay for either of them to do it, but it is okay to shame the guy who is doing something wrong, and it's not okay to shame the girl who is doing something wrong, right?

Jared Right, and so, like, the issue is the moment you point out those kind of inconsistencies, people think that you're speaking out of some kind of bitterness or you have some kind of chip on your shoulder or you have some, but, like, the issue is, like, that's not what's happening.

What's happening is that you have to open your eyes and have to look at what's happening and you say, hey, does this make sense, you know, is this logical, like, is this reasonable? So, when you notice these, like, dramatic shifts in the way that you are allowed to talk to particular genders on these topics, like, when you notice that, you have to say, well, what's going on and is that good or not, you know, does that honor the Lord that there's this massive double standard like this?

So, what's happening is you're living in a society right now that demands that you praise a woman's independence and her sexual independence and her sexual, like, liberation. You have to praise that and then you basically turn men into the biggest, like, rapists by definition, scoundrels.

And so, there's just a massive.

Double standard. Pete. Right. And I want to say, you know, I said that word liberation, but then it's obviously not a liberation in any way whatsoever.

Jared. You're free to be a slave.

Pete. Yeah, you're free to be a slave to sin. Congratulations.

Jared. Yep, you've cast off. Pete. How great. Jared. Well, I mean, it's the liberation that Satan promised that resulted in the fall, right? So, it's that kind of liberation, hey, you can be free, you know, but literally, you know, that you're shackled like a slave to your sin.

So, the issue, so, part of what's going on is that dynamic. There's a dynamic where you can't shame a woman for being promiscuous anymore, okay? You can't with men because he's a rapist and he's a man and, you know, who cares, right?

You know, he's a villain by definition, can't with a woman. So, part of it's that. Now, then what's happening, there's another layer that's happening onto that, okay? So, what you have is you have like the red-pilled, the manosphere kind of types who are saying, hey, this isn't really good for society, right?

Like this isn't good for society and it's like particularly hard on women. So, when women just sleep around, you know, when women become, in the language of Eric Kahn, well-used mattresses, when that happens, it really seems to mess with women a lot more than it messes with men.

And like it keeps women from really being able to, you know, I might want to say this like in some sort of absolute language, but I mean, it really like the greater degree to which a woman sleeps around before marriage, the harder it is for her to like enjoy intimacy with her husband, the harder it is for her to like attach emotionally to her husband.

Like it, like these things are real and you're not really allowed to talk about them, but then the red-pilled people are talking about them. So, like you have the red-pilled people who are basically the ones who are out there saying, hey, we need to return to what we lost in a certain sense.

Like we need to start praising virginity again. And one of the things that happened before is like we used to shame whores, right? So, we shamed women for being whores and they didn't want to be a whore.

So, they didn't sleep around with anyone who asked, okay? So, like that shame was like a mechanism that kept people afraid, right? So, we still have like the issue is we still have those mechanisms right now.

Like we have those mechanisms and like just think about how you respond to a pedophile. So, like when, like right now, like with the person who rapes a child or something like that, once a pedophile, always a pedophile, you're going to get that scarlet letter your whole life.

That's who you are. That's your identity. That's like, it doesn't matter if you become a Christian or not. Like that's how society is going to view you. That's who you always are going to be. You're always going to be viewed with a cloud of distrust and suspicion and everything else.

Now, without commenting on like whether fully on whether or not that's like a desire, like that's the way to handle sins of any kind, you know, I think there's obviously a category for sexual or some of you in the Bible to where you can be free of these permanent lifelong scarlet letter kind of things if you legitimately repent and all that.

But like the issue is we have a category for like people being so afraid of getting that label on them that it actually prevents them from doing the wicked things in their hearts, okay? So, like the shame that's attached to that sexual sin is still in the minds of people.

Like there's, I'm sure there's been plenty of person who, you know, minor attracted person, what a joke, who didn't act on it because they didn't want to be on a sex offender list the rest of their whole life and didn't want to have that kind of thing coming down upon them, right?

And so, in that way, like the Bible does have a category for shame as a sexual mechanism that prevent, like is a curve to immorality in that way. So, you know, in the language of the Old Testament, like with capital punishment laws and everything else, all would hear and fear and never again do such wicked things.

There's categories for like shame in the Bible, there's categories for punishment in the Bible. When Miriam disrespected Moses, you know, God shames Miriam. It says, if her father had not spit in her face, wouldn't she have to go outside the camp, you know, for 12 days or whatever it was?

You know, so, he gave her leprosy and she had to go outside the camp in order to shame her because what she did was fundamentally embarrassing. So, we've basically, part of what's happening is we have like categories for these kinds of things.

It used to be attached to whoredom, like particularly for women, like because of how destructive it is for women in particular, like meaning like how much it, like they're not made to give themselves to every man, they are made to attach to men, you know?

So, and particularly attached to men they give themselves to and the more they attach to people and attach to people, they lose the ability to keep on doing that as much as they, like it's going to be a hard road, you know?

So, like the issue is we used to shame that, we're not allowed to shame it anymore, okay? And so, now the red pill people, the manosphere people, they're basically saying, hey, you know, it's not good for like women to sleep around, like virginity is good.

And then they're coming along saying, yeah, you know, we want women without tattoos who are virgins, who know how to cook and, you know, which I mean, it's just largely just sane biblical stuff, you know, like that's

Virginity, Shame, and the Need to Make Whoredom Shameful Again

Pete. Yeah, yeah, homemaker type, yeah.

Jared I mean, that's largely sane, but then part of the problem is that, right, so here's what's happening. So, you have a clash that's happening. So, you have the thou shalt not slut shame women to live impulses that people have.

You have the red pill kind of guys who, you know, manosphere kind of guys who are saying, hey, no, we need to make, you know, whoredom shameful again, right? And I'm largely on board with that project.

Like somehow, like if you want society to shift, you have to share the gospel and transform the society for sure. But I mean, how you do that, you know, what's going to happen when the society is transformed is that virginity will once again be prized and whoredom will be shameful again.

So, you have to get to a point where it's shameful again. But then what's happening is you have like a bunch of Christian women who were formerly promiscuous, and this is a dynamic that you're talking about.

So, they're formerly promiscuous and they're responding to the situation in more of an emotional way and less of a logical way, okay? So, what's happening is, it's mostly the ladies who are getting worked up about it.

Like they're responding in an emotional way because it's like, hey, I was forgiven. I don't want to wear the scarlet letter my whole life. And what the red pill guys are doing is they're basically looking at them and saying, hey, once a whore, always a whore.

You wear the scarlet letter for the rest of your life. What they're doing is they're treating them just like we currently treat pedophiles. Does that make sense? And then like there's a massive overreact, like there's a massive reaction to say, hey, God forgave me of that.

Such were some of you. I don't have to be whoever my name is, the harlot, for the rest of my life. God forgave me and restored me and cleaned me up. But then at that point, basically the manifest is kind of an overreaction the opposite way and to a dramatic 180 that we've taken as a society, and then you don't have anyone who's calm, clear-headed in the middle saying, hey, we have to figure out how to make fornication shameful again.

So we have to actually make it shameful again, and what that's going to mean is that we have to get to a point where we view this as a really bad thing like we do other sexual sins, right? And so we have to get to a point where we do view this as deeply shameful, and then we also have a category for forgiveness, but it's not just like a cheap forgiveness like, hey, you slept with 50 people, and it's like it never happened, man.

You know, like I don't…. Pete I guess you're a virgin again. Jared. I guess you're, yeah. I mean, like there has to be some way for people to wake up and say, hey, it would actually be good for society if we once again turned this into a taboo in order to make everyone afraid to not go down that road because there's so many problems down that road too.

So what's happening is you have people who are overreacting to the manosphere basically and throwing the baby out of the bathwater, and then they just sound like a bunch of raving feminists at that point as it relates to this point where it's just like they're just… and they don't even realize what's happening, like they're just being maneuvered into this spot where they're like holding up the banner to the thou shalt not slut shame.

You can't do that under any circumstances because what you don't want to do is you don't want to put a repentant person in the position to where they may feel the slightest tinge of shame over their past actions or something like that.

So basically what you have to do is you have to kind of give women like an absolute blank check to sleep around with no consequences because as the logic goes, if they may want to come to Christ one day and then they want to… and if they do come to Christ one day, then they can all be wiped clean.

And so what you lose is you lose any ability to discourage it on the front end. Does that make sense? Because in the minds, they don't have a category for saying, hey, we have to figure out how to discourage this on the front end and not just like clean up the mess afterwards.

And then there is a big mess afterwards. And so basically you're in this situation where you're basically saying, hey, yeah, go do heroin for years and drink because I wouldn't want you to feel bad if you repent one day and come to Christ as if you did anything wrong.

So I'm basically just going to give you a blank check to do all that. And so like any… there's no mechanism you have basically of saying, hey, this is really bad. Don't do it. And people should be horrified if you do, you know, kind of thing anymore.

Marrying a Virgin, Marriage Consequences, and the Limits of the “Object Lesson” Argument

Pete. Right, right. Now I saw a lot of people were also arguing that, hey, you know, I don't want to like, it seemed like a lot of people were saying, hey, God wants us to marry whores. It seems like they were arguing that.

There's a part of my brain that wants to refuse to…. I must be misunderstanding what they're saying, but they're encouraging people to think about marrying someone who has been with multiple sexual partners as if… kind of like you said earlier, as if they are a virgin, as if they are just as equally desirable as a virgin, as someone who's never had a sexual partner before.

And in my mind, it seems a lot more like it's objectively, I mean, just objectively better. So, it's not up to personal preference, you know, it's not up to like this or that. It's objectively better to marry someone who is a virgin as opposed to someone who has been sexually active for however long, however many partners they've had, however high their quote-unquote body count is.

It's objectively worse to marry the person who has had multiple sexual partners. So, is that something we see in the Bible? Is that the way that people should think about it? Hey, it is objectively. You have two women equal in every way except which I think you have to, you know, I think that's probably impossible in reality that they're equal in every way simply because of this difference in one's a virgin versus one has been sexually active.

But let's just pretend that that can be true. It's still objectively better to pursue the one who remained a virgin. Is that right? Jared. Yeah. Pete I spend all that time laying all that out, you know, spelling everything out and then you just give me a yeah.