May 21, 2018 Show with Don Linblad on “A Praise Report in the Midst of Tragedy: A Family Who Booked A Flight on a Private Plane in Havana, Cuba, Cancels Their Plans the Day Before Their Scheduled Flight Which Proved to Be Fatal for 110 Passengers” AND Michael A. Gaydosh

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Officials say that 113 people were on a charter passenger jet hired

by Cuba's state -run airline when it crashed this past Friday in the rural

outskirts of Havana, killing all but three on board.

Among the people that were supposed to be on the plane was a Christian named Jatiel

Perez and his family, but they were not on that flight due to the providence of God

because they merely changed their plans the day before since Jatiel's family was enjoying

their stay in Cuba too much and they wanted to prolong their stay.

But today we are going to be addressing a praise report in the midst of tragedy and to

discuss our topic today we have for the very first time ever on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio pastor Don Lindblad

of Trinity Reformed Baptist Church in Kirkland, Washington.

He's also one of the co -founders of the Reformed Baptist Mission Services and the Association of Reformed Baptist

Churches of America also known as ARPCA.

He's been a trustee of the Institute of Reformed Baptist Studies and he is a frequent flyer to Cuba for

ministry and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio

pastor Don Lindblad.

Thank you Chris, it's a delight to be with you.

Amen, well usually when we have.

A first -time guest on this program we have them give a summary of their own

salvation testimony, what kind of religion you were raised in if any, and what were the providential

circumstances that our Lord used in your life to draw you to himself and save you.

So if you could start with that before we go on.

With

our

topic

today.

I'm born and

raised

and I'm

not knowing

that

at the

time

and

but I met a

lot of time together, began

attending his

church in

that

context, but he loved his people

and began giving me

things to do.

And when

did you realize and how.

Did you realize that God had placed the call upon your heart to become a pastor?

Well I think the church has a lot to do with that and now are

reformed which

changed my major.

Well now you could tell us something if you could about, if.

You would I should say, about Trinity Reformed Baptist Church in Kirkland,.

Washington.

The church is about 25 years old, I

had moved

back to the area,

and so

anywhere in 1993 we...

Praise

God, well we'll be

giving our

listeners

contact.

Information for Trinity Reformed Baptist Church in Kirkland, Washington later, but just in case I forget,

you can look this up later.

This is the URL Trinity Reformed Baptist Church, I'm sorry, TrinityReformedBaptist .com.

There's no church in the URL.

TrinityReformedBaptist .com and you can find out all the information that you need about that.

Well also now tell us about the Association of Reformed.

Baptist Churches of America which you were a

co -founder.

We began, there

were a

number

of us,

and

so

there

were

84.

And

that

existed,

again,

not

to

take...

And the websites for ARPCA and the IRBS Theological Seminary, which is

the new seminary that is starting, God willing, in September as a result of

the Institute of Reformed Baptist Studies being in existence for a number of years, now

a freestanding on -site seminary of their own will begin

this September.

But ARPCA is ARBCA .com.

ARBCA .com is their website and the website for the

IRBS Seminary is IRBSSeminary .com.

That's IRBSSeminary .com and make sure when you type, I'm sorry, .org.

IRBSSeminary .org.

IRBSSeminary .org and make sure you put two S's in there because IRBS is right next to seminary.

So a lot of times when there's two letters next to each other people forget one of them.

Well, we will repeat that information later, God willing, later on in the program.

But a part of your life and your passion for

missions and for the spread of the gospel and even more specifically the spread of the doctrines of Sovereign Grace

has been your passion for Cuba and you have made frequent trips to Cuba

over 20, I believe.

Tell us about that because that has direct relevance to.

What

we are

talking about today.

I remember,

correct, a connection.

His name is

Daniel

Pettis

and graduate school

denomination.

Three

of

their

men,

Jim Eshelman, in time

began

a church

and

a

seminary,

a small seminary, and I

met him in 2002 and

discovered

a

convention

of church.

He began

inviting

me since

Daniel could not

for a number

of years.

At

seminary

I've

done

some

but I go

about.

Twice a year.

Now what makes a church worthy of being legal in Cuba and what

makes it illegal, especially when we're talking about churches that seem to have.

Had identical theological makeup?

Legal churches historically have been those that were grandfathered in before the

revolution in 1959.

That the government

decided

that

it would

someone

else

began

the

church

again, began a

church again in that same...

Well

it's

quite an amazing

piece

of

news

that in

fact

my.

Congregation received this past Sunday, yesterday, during

some of the opening announcements for our worship service.

Pastor John Miller, our new pastor there, let us know about the tragedy

where there were over 100 people, 113 people

I believe, aboard a private jet in Cuba which crashed

in the outskirts of Havana and only three of

those folks survived.

Among those passengers were, if I'm not mistaken, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, 11

Nazarene pastors and their wives?

Correct.

Because there were some reports saying 10, so I'm assuming that.

Has been updated to 11?

That's ballpark, correct.

And we obviously want to ask of.

You, all of you listening, to pray for the families, the surviving families of those

11 Nazarene pastors and their wives and their congregations.

That's an enormous blow not only for a single church but for a denomination to have such a tragic

loss all at once, instantaneously like that.

So do your homework and try to find out where those churches are perhaps and reach out to them

even personally with letters of condolences

and offering your prayers and even anything that you could do physically for the families

and congregations of those pastors.

But amidst the tragedy we heard this wonderful news and it's

always an interesting task when you are faced with rejoicing over

something that is bordering on the miraculous and in the midst of something that is really horrible and

tragic causing misery for others but it is still nonetheless a time for rejoicing

that Hatniel Perez and his family were scheduled to be on that very flight

that crashed and just because I believe, and you could also give us more

information, but Hatniel's wife and children just were enjoying themselves, I understand, too much in Cuba

and they wanted to stay so the flight for them was canceled.

If you could pick up where I left off there.

It's an added piece,

if I

may, from

the

denomination.

Hatniel

has a

larger

than

among

church

magnetic

and

not

only a significant

amount

of

influence,

others who

need to

come, a lot

of the

travel

and a

dear wife and

they were

the day

before which would stay

together through the week,

Daniela and Daniela.

Well that

is quite a.

Remarkable providence.

I can immediately, immediately my mind was transported

to the tragic deaths of that hymn writer, author of It

Is Well With My Soul, when the news was not so happy, when

the children of that hymn writer, who was that again, it's

the name escapes me, I know it's a famous hymn writer whose wife survived but the children perished in a

shipwreck.

But I know what you're talking about.

But it immediately ushered my mind to that.

Well when we come back we're going to be talking about

a response, an appropriate response of a Christian to events like this and of course

this is the combined elements of a time for rejoicing and a

time for mourning simultaneously.

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Reformed Baptist Church in Kirkland, Washington, who happens to be a friend and

colleague in ministry with Jatniel Perez, a brother in Christ

ministering in Cuba, whose family was supposed to be on the flight that crashed this

past Friday, where 113 people were on board and all but

three perished after the plane crashed in the rural outskirts of

Havana.

By the way, I was curious, Pastor Lindblad, I know it's very soon, but do they have any

updates, credible updates, on what actually caused this plane to crash?

And I know since it was hired by

a Cuba state -run airline, so I don't know how accurate the information will be, but if you could tell us what.

You know

about

that.

And where

were all of

these pastors

and

their.

Wives headed for?

Were they going to a special conference of some kind, or do.

You know?

They had been to

a conference,

but they were

in Havana for a

conference and

were.

Flying back home.

Okay, and as we said earlier, 11 pastors and their wives perished.

So that's 22 people out of those 110 who perished

were couples, Christian couples, pastors and their wives.

So once again, please pray for the surviving families and congregations of those pastors.

And if you could, also make sure you extend my my greetings to Hot

Neil Perez and let him know that I would love to have him on this radio program whenever he is

available.

I don't know if it's possible for him to conduct it from Cuba, but wherever, whenever he's in the States or whenever he

can get to an area where he can conduct a phone interview, I.

Would love to have him on the program.

I will pass that on to him and he would be.

Delighted to be a part of this.

Great.

Well, we have addressed this subject many times before, not of course involving this specific

incident where we have this plane crash in the outskirts of Havana, Cuba,

but we have addressed the issue, basically known as the

theodicy, where you are defending the goodness of God in the midst of

tragedy, suffering, sin.

You know, it ranges from what we call or what news reports

categorize as natural disasters when there are fires and floods and hurricanes

and earthquakes and tornadoes and volcano eruptions and mudslides and all that kind of thing,

but there were also things like school shootings, like we just once again

had to witness the news reports regarding the tragic

school shootings in Texas.

Our emotions have been seared, I think, to a degree because we

are no longer in shock and horror when we hear these things.

They have become too much a part of our regular

life activities, hearing these things in the news, and of course those that have personally experienced them, the

families of those victims and the survivors themselves who escaped the

near -death experience that they had, they are reacting in a different way than we are,

who sit in the comforts of our home.

But because of the fact that this is a thing that we hear about

every week, practically, in one form or another, we who are Christians are constantly faced

with answering the question, where was God in the midst of this?

And what is your first response as not only a Christian, but

a Reformed Christian, and not only a Reformed Christian, but a pastor, when you have.

That question presented to you?

Well, I think that

having been in the

ministry, the

title

of John

Flavel, the

providence

is

a

mystery,

I

mean,

that

in the

death

of Christ,

heaping

up turn, and

yet you, by the hand of a

Christian, you're going to

ask for this, and yet

one...

Yeah, well, the thing that those who are either

atheists or agnostics, or they just choose to reject specifically

Christianity, or they might even be Christians who reject the doctrines of

the sovereignty of God, which include the fact that

God and His sovereignty decreed all things that come to be and came to be,

they will say that for a God to be actively involved in some way in His

ruling authority over horrible tragedies, either those

natural or those at the hands of wicked men, to involve God in

this gets him rightfully in their

minds accused of partaking in evil and therefore being evil

himself in some way, not being at least completely good and righteous and

holy.

That is the conclusion that they think, the group of folks that I listed,

is inevitable if we are to say that a sovereign Lord is not just sitting back and

watching, or as Rabbi Kushner once

tried to explain away this in his book, Why Bad Things Happen to Good People, that

these things happen because God is not omnipotent.

There are things that He cannot stop from happening, and in His attempts to defend the goodness of God,

He wound up robbing or stripping God of His power.

But if you could, how do you get around this as a Christian, where God remains completely holy

and perfect and good in the midst of something that He, according to our own

theology, has decreed?

I think that,.

You

know,

a

couple

of, you

know, He

intended

evil, and yet,

I think of

the Apostle Paul in the

latter

chapters

of the book

of Acts 10

before, and then is,

but

none

of that

is

good.

Send him off.

Now,

there

is debate

amongst

Christians.

On terminology, and the terminology is more than just semantical.

It's there are some theological differences behind the semantics.

There are many Christians, perhaps even most Christians, who would say

that God allowed this plane to crash.

God allowed the massacre of those poor children there in

Texas, and God allowed the planes to fly into the World Trade Center

and to crash in a field in Pennsylvania and to crash into the Pentagon Building.

But there are others that are from our camp that are more specific.

In fact, some would even say God did much more than permit.

It's somewhat of a misleading term, perhaps.

He decreed these things.

Do you think that it is important how we phrase these things that have occurred and do

occur and will always occur until we're in glory?

And because our view is the most likely to evoke

disdain and an argument, perhaps, from those with whom we are speaking.

Again, I.

Think it is,

and it

can, but my

greater concern

is to maintain

the

biblical,

the mystery,

and to

say, but my trust

is in

you.

And I fear that if we reduce things,

impugning

the integrities, then he

would say,

gentlemen,

don't try to...

And I think

there's an element

in chapter 5, in

my

perspective,

the almighty power,

and

that

not by a

bare permission

in a

manifold...

And that's what I was getting at a

minute ago.

Then it goes on and says, ye see this

only from the creatures and who being most whole.

I.

Think that's it.

I think that...

Brother, you're gonna have to repeat your last sentence because I think you're getting a phone call or something and you get you.

Cut out during some important words there.

Okay, let me back up to, in a manifold

diddly ends, did you get that?

Yes.

Okay.

Yet so, as the sinfulness of

there and not from God, who

matters of

sin and

all

events

are

upon him,

and

he has

holy,

I do

not know.

And at some point it seems to me we have to say, we have to say of a

loving...

Yes, as Job said in chapter 13 verse 15, though he slay me,

I will hope in him.

Correct.

And we are out of time, brother.

I told you that our show goes fast and you're probably saying, why did I only elect to be on for one hour?

But I...

I wish I'd said more.

Well, I would like you to come back in the future and I will send you at some point today, God willing, a

calendar of dates that you can return.

And I want to make sure our listeners have the contact information.

First of all, the Trinity Reformed Baptist Church of Kirkland, Washington.

That website is trinityreformedbaptist .com, trinityreformedbaptist

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That website is ARBCA .com, ARBCA .com.

Thank you so much, Pastor Lindblad, for being on the show with very little notice, and we look forward to your return to Iron Trip and Zion

Radio.

Thank you for your kindness.

Oh, my pleasure, brother.

God bless.

You too.

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Before we go into anything new that you want to highlight, since we just came

on the heels of a very important discussion involving a plane crash where 110

lives were lost and 22 of those lives were pastors and their

wives, what can you recommend that great men of the

past and present have had to say.

That helps us more fully understand this kind of a tragedy in the midst of

worshiping a holy and righteous.

And good

God?

Any, I think

that if you can, like for instance, we have a

book that addresses

over three years

of

James

Montgomery

Boyce

and

God's

Grace,

Answers,

Attitudes,

and

Acts.

Any book that

really

addresses

her

fighting,

why

would

God,

and

we

understand

that

these

are

completely different kinds of

events, the airplane crash, the

very different providences that happen, but when the Lord Jesus said, looked at his

disciples and said, not a sparrow falls to the ground apart from the will of your Father in heaven,

those words were intended to be comforting, and the fact that not a sparrow falls to the ground, obviously

not a plane falls to the ground, and a

portion of lava would fall to your Father in heaven, and so

understanding that God is sovereign doesn't make everything easy.

At the same

time, it helps us to understand that we are not in the hands of

the sovereign God.

Remember, between sovereignty, the sovereignty of God, and faith, that a

young Dutch boy was warned over and over again, so

low,

playing near the windmills as he was warned not to do, and suddenly,

and he's thrust up

into the air, into the arms of his Father.

That's the difference.

It has no feelings about you,

the arms of the Father.

Amen.

And it's.

Amazing that a man like Horatio Spafford, after hearing the news

from his wife that their children had perished in a sinking ship in the

19th century, that he could actually, by the grace and mercy of

God, summon up the clarity of mind and the faith to

write, when peace like a river attendeth my way, when sorrows like sea billows roll, whatever my

lot thou hast taught me to say, it is well, it is well with my soul.

It's one of those powerful occurrences in the history of the church where

people have been used of God in the midst of their own heart -wrenching

experience to still bless the church at large and in the world with.

Something as powerful as that

hymn.

Yeah, almost everything in

the

Chicago Fire.

Yes.

The

young daughter, son.

Yes.

You know, we

believe in hope,

coming to grip at Niel.

22 pastors and their wives,.

Well actually it's 11 pastors and their wives making 22 people, but there were 110

people.

All in all that perished.

Yeah.

Only three from the 113 passengers

survived.

And more sound.

Well, the way that God deals with us is

inexplicable.

Again, we walk.

Amen.

Well, I'm

going

to go to.

Our final break of the show.

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if your question is personal and private.

We have a listener in Avon Lake, Ohio, Andrew.

And Andrew says, great topic today.

Please ask Mr. Gaydosch if it is better for the average Christian to read

widely or to have a small collection of important books that are read and

deeply understood.

And I guess the key issue is the average Christian, because, you know, there are people who devour

books and easily read many volumes in a week.

But he's talking about the average person.

Yeah, yeah, difficult to answer that question.

I think in many ways, the average person,

he read Pilgrim,

should be reading Pilgrim again

and again.

I think

that

really

there's a sense of

and you find out what the

best before us older

books to

read more

widely as well.

And and so I think and even looking at different kinds of books,

books of sermons, reading

biographies and biographies are good to read in in not

spicing things up by reading a biography or you're involved,

especially in there.

And there are a lot of them that are out there.

There is a sense in which at the same time,

read widely.

If you're studying through the

book of Ephesians, it would be a good idea to get it, get your hands on a couple of commentaries, maybe a book of sermons

that would allow you to be able to interact with the text through the eyes and

by the help of several different.

And you've already started to answer his Andrews.

Second question.

And I don't know if you want to add to it, but he said, would Mr. Gaydosh be gracious enough to provide a short list of the

essential key works that.

Every reformed

Christian

should read

that, you know,

there are

several

freedom by the freedom.

And then looking at some of the, again, standard theological works from

the time Calvin's Institute, we get

better than that.

And many times people will read books that

would be truthful.

Calvin is easier to read than many of the people, the modern.

He really is.

He's as much easier to

understand their whole lives, studying their works and then trying to

explain it to us.

Sometimes I find it easier to just go to the first first hand and read, read those works, the bondage of

the will.

Every Christian should read the bondage of the will.

So I think that older works.

And then also on top of that, I might as well use this as an opportunity for an advertisement,

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What you'll find is books like the three forms of

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And it helps you when you have a foundation, it'll help you

to discern as you start reading books, whether or not this is a book that.

Is worth reading.

Well, thank you, Andrew.

Keep listening in Avon Lake, Ohio, and spreading the word there and beyond.

And I'm sure Avon Lake summons up memories for you as well, Mike, for the years

that you spent living in Amityville.

That's right.

A different Avon Lake.

Not exactly a place you want to go swimming or fish.

No.

Now that I live in Florida, you don't have to worry about it

at all.

Well, if you want to mention some new things coming up from the press

of Solid Ground Christian Books, but also make sure you highlight things that would be ideal for.

Father's Day, because that's right around the corner.

Yeah, there's Angel James

that my good friend

Don kissed.

It would be a

good book to,

again, any unfatherhood

at finding a good

Summers Watson, or depending on what your father is

reading or studying.

Of course, we're talking about if he's a believer, then you want to find him a book that

you know will minister to him where he is.

Maybe it's a devotional book, and that to you.

Me Apart by James through the Gospels,

and it's Pasture Sketches by Ichabod,

a father, if the father is, again, a believer.

So, I mean, that has obviously a lot to do with the kind of book you want to get.

Now, if father is, I'm sure you would agree, an important role of a

father should be the inclusion of devotionals with his family.

Not only would even the catechisms and the confessions that you have brought into print be

useful tools in that kind of a thing, because it would lead a family through subjects to study,

but also devotionals themselves that are that are packaged as devotionals, if you could

list them.

Yeah, I think that I think.

I've been published into it by others, and that's the

Expository Thoughts on the Gospels by J .C.

But let me first mention that J .C. Ryle's volumes on expository thought are

amongst them,

and the reason why I say that is because those volumes

intended to be read out loud, the length of

them is very consistent.

Each of the devotions or each of the

expos, whether it's Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John,

he always makes it a very practical time looking at the passage, and he

almost all that the father will be

pressing upon his children.

He's

a brilliant writer.

He's my

favorite authors, and so I would say that you couldn't do better than the Expository Thoughts on the Gospels, Banner of

Truth.

I know CBBBS would be a place to go to get those.

You can buy them one volume at a time.

Matthew and Mark, I believe, are individual volumes, and Luke has two volumes, and John has two volumes.

It's just invaluable, absolutely invaluable.

It takes about 12 to 15 minutes

to the passage and

applies it to the hearts of the reader.

And you said that was going to be a segue into something else.

Well, thank you, Chris.

That was.

Excellent.

You were paying attention, and Buzz isn't even there to plod you or prod you.

Make sure that you're listening today.

You are exactly right.

The reason why that's a significant thing is I just recently got

a large quantity of those printed, and one of the reasons I did that is

because of the opportunity to be able to get

that into the

hands of the military.

I've been involved in a prison

for four days.

We had quite

a remarkable time, and I was able to spend a significant

amount of that time with a few of those men in

particular.

I got to go back after two weeks.

We got to go back yesterday and have some follow -up ministry with these men, and we were very

encouraged by how they are doing spiritually after our time with them.

I came away with the thought, and in fact, I talked to the chaplain, and I got permission from

him to be able to try to get copies of Thoughts for Young Men by

J .C. Ryle into the hands of as many prisoners as possible.

And what I'm asking my customers and would ask your listeners,

after you've given money to your local church and after you've given

money to the family and after you've supported, consider

two dollars will get a copy of Thoughts for Young Men into the hands of a prisoner.

It's a remarkable book.

It is exactly what these prisoners need.

They have nothing but time on their hands, and Ryle cuts right to the heart of the matter.

And that particular book is a very special book.

As Chris would remember, that was the very first book that his pastor

in Long Island, we began Calvary Press, and we began by publishing Thoughts

for Young Men.

Just originally a stapled together paper turned into a beautiful book.

No.

And now, yeah, now we have from

Afghanistan, and it's a very manly cover.

And so what I'm asking is people be willing to

donate.

They can go to Young Men.

You can see it online on our homepage and click on it.

And if you scroll all the way down to the bottom of the page where Thoughts for Young Men is,

there's an opportunity to be able to purchase it for two dollars apiece

at any quantity, two dollars apiece that we take care

of.

It's a special offer quantity, two

dollars apiece, no shipping charge.

It's a donation, and we will deliver the book directly.

And so if you have customers that would be interested, ten dollars will get us,.

And we'll cover five.

Great.

And I know that my friend, Colonel Jeffrey, I'm sorry,

Colonel Kevin Gerard, a United States Marine, who's also a

pastor in Georgia, he has now declared

that your version of Thoughts for Young Men is his favorite version of all, and

he plans on exclusively ordering that book from Solid Ground Christian Books from now on.

Oh, great.

Well, tell him it's a great time to order because we've got them,

if you get a case for it.

The two dollar offer is just if you're giving the money to us so

that we're also willing to do the same thing with the same amount of money

as servicemen as well.

But I want to wait.

I'm not going to promote that yet.

I have to talk.

I've had some in the past, and I have to make sure that, in

fact, the reason why the cover is the way it is was because one of the chaplains, a Reformed

Baptist chaplain, Patrick Joiner, was serving in Afghanistan, and someone had

donated money to them, and they had enough money donated where they could buy 200

copies of Thoughts for Young Men for 200 Marines in Afghanistan.

And that's what inspired me to go back and say, you know what, we need a new cover for this that will be attractive to

Marines.

And so I found a picture of three Marines from Afghanistan, one of whom is my own son,

my youngest son, Tim.

And it makes the cover really, really...

Oh, yeah.

Looks like a professional photographer took that picture.

Yeah, I don't know who took it.

It was somebody in Afghanistan.

I doubt it was a...

Providentially came out that way.

Yeah, it did.

We're very thankful for the opportunity of being able to get

this book out, not only to and other military, but

prisoners, and it's a great graduation gift for both high school and college.

Every father should make sure that his sons read the book.

In fact, I've had many people tell me that they not only give it out to young men, but they give it out to

young women as well, because much of what Ryle says in this

volume is just as applicable to a young woman as it is to a young man.

Great.

We do have an anonymous listener who says, can you suggest something to

give to an estranged father for Father's Day that would not necessarily be on

the subject of Father's Day?

I would not want to embarrass this man by giving him a book that was

rebuking in nature of the fact that he failed as a father, but something that still

might be used of God to quicken his heart and save him and restore our relationship.

I think this might be a good way of breaking the ice for Father's Day.

What would your suggestions be?

Well, somebody could actually get back in touch with you later.

On.

Gary

Bridges always

had

thought to have, to be

able to

send to an

estranged father.

I think that, and it's tragic, you know, having been in the prison, one of the things that I learned from my

time there with these men, working with these men is, I don't know that any of

them, in fact, in most cases, they didn't even know their father.

And of course, and the

fact that they did not have a father figure.

And you see this in the black community, but it's not only in the black community,

it's in every community now, absentee fathers.

And I think that it's very commendable that this child, who I assume is

probably an adult, has a desire to be able to reach out to, you know,

give me a little bit more time on that one to ponder what might be an.

Appropriate book.

And if you want to get back to Mike Geras, the website again is solid -ground -books .com and there's contact

information on there.

Well, before we run out of time, I want you to have basically about four minutes to summarize what you most

want our audience to remember about things that you have coming into print, or

are already in print, or whatever you'd like to leave our.

Listeners

with.

I've

recently,

the name Jesus does

not believe that

there's, not so

much speaking so much of that, but the fact is the Apostle Paul, when he spoke about

Jesus, he spoke of him as the Lord.

Most times he's the Lord, Jesus.

And I would encourage younger Christians to be

mindful of the use of terminology.

Sometimes I think that there's almost a too casual approach.

Just using the name Jesus in a solitary way over and over again almost has a, there's too

much of a casual nature to that.

And also, at the same time, in our worship, we are to worship the Father through the

mediatorial work of the Son, by the power of the Holy Spirit.

And we need to make sure that our worship is focused on the God of the Bible, and the New

Testament focuses upon God as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

One of the things I appreciate about the hymns, most of the great hymns, and you go back and look at them, they're Trinitarian

in nature.

And I think that James White's book, The Forgotten Trinity, is a very,

we do not worship Jesus only.

We worship the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

We worship God the Father, God the Son, God the Spirit.

And when we.

Speak of Jesus, He is our Lord.

Amen.

Well, let's see, I'll take a couple more listener questions since we have time for them.

Let's see here.

We have another anonymous listener who says to follow up on that last question

from the anonymous listener, how appropriate is it to seek to

connect once again with an estranged ex -wife when you want to

extend to that person your heartfelt desire to be forgiven,

and you're looking for the right thing to send to that person, not even knowing necessarily what kind of

relationship that person may be in right now?

Well, these are really easy questions.

Yeah, I think that one would

have to tread

in forgiveness is if we are the one who needs to be

forgiven, and not knowing what

they're,

and

even

providential,

seeing if there's somebody that would know that

they might be able to reach out to to find out information if that's possible to be done.

I think one has to examine their own motives.

I think if

we're dealing with seeking and

therefore asking forgiveness, obviously that would be necessary to do if that's never been done before.

It's a very, very complex situation.

I would say that something like this really necessitates, and I would even say possibly the

previous question, the anonymous question about what book to give, I really think that

these are questions

because He knows you, and I think that because I don't know who you are, and I don't know what all

the circumstances are, I would hate to give the wrong answer.

Maybe the best counsel to give is to seek the counsel of a godly pastor who knows you, and they

would know best how to respond to both of the

questions.

Heartbreaking question.

I do think that it would be most helpful to have a pastor, a godly

pastor who knows the scriptures, who loves you, to be able to help you to answer those questions.

And of course,.

If the green lights are given in that person's life, especially in regard to the woman,

the ex -spouse of the man, writing Stepping Heavenward seems to have been an

enormously helpful book, especially for women.

In your client base, if you will, your customer base.

Oh yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, if we're talking about a

book...

By Elizabeth Prentiss.

Yes, by Elizabeth Prentiss.

Well, we are out of time.

I want to make sure that our listeners have your website.

It's solid -ground -books .com, solid -ground -books .com, and our

listeners should know that Richard Barcelos is going to be our guest this Wednesday, so you might

want to make a mark on your calendar for that to discuss getting the garden right.

So I hope that you tune in for that, and thanks again, Mike Adosh, for not only being on the

program today, but for all of your faithful and urgently needed support, financially and otherwise, for Iron Trip and Zion

Radio.

Love you, Chris.

Love you too, brother.

I want to thank everybody who listened, and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater

Savior than you are a sinner.