A Wide Ranging Mega-Sized Edition of the Dividing Line

And welcome to The Dividing Line on a Tuesday, well, it's actually the morning here in Phoenix. In fact, I think this is when it's actually supposed to be. That's when the schedule is.

Yeah, it's pretty unusual. We move things around and suddenly it's like, oh, let's do it on time for once. Yeah, OK, all right.

But I have a feeling it's probably going to go a little longer than normal. So we did a little Facebook poll yesterday, and it was absolutely, positively, completely worthless. We had, I think, last I looked, 266 people responded.

And the interest was completely across the board. I put up five issues, that's five things in my stack of stuff, my Limbaian stack of stuff. And every possible combination was suggested. You had the few whiners.

I understand that there are whiners in the audience that go, I don't want to hear any more about Eric Cantor. But that was about the only whining that I got. And my suggestion to the whiners is stop whining.

Thank you. Anyway, so we've got a lot of stuff to get to. And one of the things I do need to get to, because he has more time than I do, is I eventually do need to get to Bob Enyart's stuff. He has a daily talk program during the week anyways.

And so he gets more time. Of course, I can go as long as I want done at commercials. So but I do want to get to that toward the end of the program. But let's get started with some national news. As you know, yesterday, President Obama signed an executive order to, quote, protect LGBT employees from federal workplace discrimination, which is another way of saying that the current regime, the imperial regime of Obama, once again is utterly unconcerned about issues such as constitutionality, religious freedom, those types of things.

Obama, the Secular Caesar, and the Rise of Persecution

This is the same regime that has our foreign embassies cramming homosexuality down the throats of nations that have no desire to have it crammed down their throats. And, you know, we pray all the time for protection from evil leaders.

And this is certainly one of the situations that comes to mind. The secular left, and I would identify President Obama as the secular Caesar. He sees himself as being able to rule and reign by divine fiat.

Well, not divine fiat, by secular fiat or something like that. Just sign the pen and everyone will do what I say. Doesn't matter how often the Supreme Court says, don't think so, doesn't matter. That's just simply how this particular regime behaves and thinks.

And we're getting exactly the kind of leadership that, as a people, we deserve. We have spit in the face of God. We murder our unborn children. We celebrate ethical and sexual immorality. And so what do you expect?

You are given the kinds of leaders that you expect, that you deserve. And so that's simply what we're facing. But what comes along with the secular Caesar image is something you need to understand. And I linked to this on, pretty sure on Twitter, and I'm pretty sure on Facebook as well, Al Mohler linked to it.

And so you can probably find a number of places. It's at thefederalist .com and it's titled, What's Happening to Gordon College is Just the Beginning. If you've read it, you know that in essence, what you have is the, well, the term is the pillaring of, well, I'll read a section.

Gordon, like every other observant religious institution in the world, does not want to be forced to hire people that represent the opposite of what it stands for. For that, it's being pilloried in the press and persecuted by apparently every local public official who gets morally high from judging Gordon's beliefs.

It has already lost a contract with a local town to manage its historic town hall. We've seen this, for example, I think we mentioned it on the program, maybe I didn't, but in what happened, yeah, I'm pretty sure we did, up in Canada, where they canceled a convention up there, a meeting that had been held there for quite some time, all because they discovered that one of the sponsors was Chick-fil-A.

We need to understand that secularists don't care about being hypocrites. They don't care about being consistent. They don't care about other people's rights. They will trample all over everybody's rights.

Only people who have a moral system that would call for them to be at all consistent would care about these things, and secularists do not have a worldview that is concerned about these things. And so, I even was contacted by someone on Twitter who lives up in this area, and this article didn't talk about it, but they've had to post special security around the president's home of Gordon College because of the threats from the secular left for daring to question the dogma of our society today.

It's here, it's happening. And since we see it out there, we don't think it's gonna happen to us, but it will. And so, folks, save the programs to your hard drive because I don't know how long we're gonna be able to do these things.

I really, really do not. I mean, we take advantage of it now. We try to speak the truth on a wide variety of subjects, but I have no earthly idea what I'm going to do and we can no longer communicate with you because this ministry primarily exists.

We don't have a mailing list. We don't send out newsletters and begging letters and stuff like that. And that's one of the things that a lot of you like about us is that we don't do that kind of thing.

But what that means is as soon as this opportunity that we have of communication with you is cut off, we disappear. That's it. There's no big pile of funding in the back that keeps these things going.

So save to your SSD drives, even better, programs because I don't know what's gonna be available. I mean, what will be available will be the compromised Christianity that we are seeing all over the place.

What you will be able to get are the Joel Osteens and the Fluffy Wuffy people. Fluffy Wuffy people, yes. The Fluffy Wuffy theology, which has no meaning and doesn't actually satisfy the regenerate soul anyways.

But that's all there's gonna be. And then we will understand biblical phraseology is like a famine in the land for the word of the Lord and things like that, because that is definitely what is coming our direction.

And all of the discussions in scripture about the relationship of church and state are gonna be coming right back to roost because Caesar for quite some time persecuted the church very, very strongly, despite what certain Notre Dame female scholars say.

And Caesar cannot stand any challenge to his ultimacy. And that's what we're seeing in Gordon. That's what we're seeing. That's what we saw up there in Canada. The secularist does not want debate. The secularist wants silence and absolute agreement.

Bow the knee to the secular Caesar. That is what we're being told to do. And as Christians, we do not have that option. And Christians have never had that option. And we will not have that option any longer.

And of course, the issue that the secular Caesar is attempting to cram down our throats is the issue of homosexuality. Some of you may have noticed, this is dated July 11th. World Health Organization says all men who have sex with men should take antiretroviral drugs.

Warns of exploding epidemic of HIV among gay men. The World Health Organization has suggested for the first time, for the first time, that all men who have sex with men should take antiretroviral medicine, warning that HIV infection rates amongst gay men are exploding around the world.

And guidelines published Friday, it said that it quote, strongly recommends men who have sex with men consider taking antiretroviral medicines as an additional method of preventing HIV infection. End quote.

Similar guidelines were issued by the US in May. If this is so natural and a gift from God, why does it do this? Why do you have to be taking antiretroviral drugs? In fact, isn't it rather obvious that if you actually follow biblical morality and you waited to have sex until you get married and then you are faithful to your wife, you're not really gonna have much of a problem, are you?

No, no. But if you're promiscuous and you act like the secular world would say you can act without any problems because you're just an animal and animals have sex with everything, including rocks and trees.

So why not? I mean, that's all we are, so let's go for it. Even if you're not a homosexual, which is 97%, you're still gonna be in danger of all sorts of diseases and difficulties and trials and tribulations.

And if you actually follow a biblical morality, and I'm talking about a biblical morality, not the whacked out stuff that you find on the internet all the time. Oh, there's all sorts of different views of marriage in the Bible.

This is from people who are ignorant, deceived, deceptive, and do not actually study the Bible as a whole, only parts of it, and they play them off against each other. And we need to recognize that. But it does seem rather strange that the World Health Organization, if you engage in this behavior, take these incredibly expensive, lots of side effects, drugs, because the behavior you're engaged in is unnatural and it is deadly.

Deadly. Yeah, well, there you go. I don't think the World Health Organization was trying to affirm what Romans 1 says, but they managed to pull it off. Anyways. By the way, I was contacted late last week.

I was contacted late last week. There's a UPS truck outside, Rich, and I'm just sort of wondering if he's, where, where is, where is this? Yes, we have video cameras everywhere. We are the NSA. No, we're not.

They're now listening to everything we say. I was contacted sometime late last week by someone in the media realm wanting to know if I would be willing to debate Matthew Vines on his radio program. Not Matthew Vines' radio program, this guy's radio program.

And I'm like, well, obviously, yes, but have you talked to them about this yet? And, well, we're working on it. I wrote back and said, hate to tell you this, but chances are 99 .99998 that you will be turned down once you actually get through to somebody.

And of course, next day, get an email. Well, right about that. Folks, I've exhausted every means. I have sent emails to every address. I've used every bit of social media. Matthew Vines knows that he stands challenged.

He knows he said he would do this before his book came out, but now that the book's out, cooler heads have prevailed, basically. And there are people, I'm absolutely convinced of this, Matthew Vines and his people know that he cannot survive a debate, even though he's pretending in his Reformation project to train people on how to debate these issues and present this information and all the rest of that stuff.

He knows, and his people may know better than he knows, that in a real debate with Michael Brown or myself, if he were to ever be so foolish as to take on Dr. Gagnon, any of us who have written in this area and debated in this area, the position would collapse.

It would just completely come apart. He knows that. And so those of you who are looking for this debate, you need, feel free to tell your liberal, Rachel-held, Evanite friends, we've tried. We've tried to arrange the debate.

We would, we've said, look, Matthew, if you feel like your lack of training in Greek and Hebrew and things like that, hey, talk to Dr. Brownson, get him involved. You're dependent upon his information.

You're just repeating his information anyways. So let's put this together. Not gonna happen, not gonna happen. As normal, the side that wants to overturn biblical truth wants monologues, not dialogues.

Now they'll do dialogues when they feel that they can have enough of an advantage to not really be forced to deal with the issues the way they need to do so. But in this situation, they know better. And so Matthew Vine says, and his people have declined every form of contact.

He won't even respond to me. I mean, I've sent personal emails. I've sent them through multiple different sources. Won't even respond, won't even respond. Not even a, not interested. So there you go. We've tried and we'll continue to put the challenge out there.

You need to let your friends who think that he's just a cat's meow, let him know. Well, you know, he talks good talk, but he won't debate anybody who can actually expose him. And you saw what happened when, and again, I know it's called the debate between Michael Brown and Matthew Vines, but Michael will tell you and I'll tell you.

That wasn't long enough and was not a proper format for serious scholarly debate. Michael's done a lot of debates. I've done a lot of debates. And we know the difference between a brief radio program, especially Michael, because he does it every day, and that kind of, and a real, real serious, real serious scholarly debate.

So, you know, we've tried, we will continue to try, but the pressure needs to be put on by you folks because we've said everything we can say. We've laid it straight out there. We've challenged him. He won't do it.

He won't even have the kindness to explain why. And therefore I think I am in perfect position and I have every perfect right to say the reason is very clear. He knows his position's indefensible. He knows it can only survive when it's a monologue, when it's in the context of the friendly media, throwing softballs.

Remember what happened when Barry Lynn, who had been on, you know, all sorts of programs, even with Jerry Falwell and people like that, when he actually had to do a debate rather than doing a segment on Fox News or something like that?

What happened to him? He collapsed into a puddle of goo. And that's what happens. How many times have we seen this happen? Over and over and over again. A person can sound real good. It's a biblical concept.

Remember Proverbs 18? The one who speaks first sounds right until his neighbor comes along and examines him. I didn't even understand that, the first number of debates that I did. It was not for a while till I really began to recognize that it's the cross-examination where the debate really takes place and that's where you really find out what's going on.

And some of you noticed some changes here in the studio. Yes. Got a new desk, got a new table here. And it's much prettier than the last one. I can actually stick my feet out, even though I am feeling a bunch of cables down there that I'm concerned about.

Well, we're going to let you get comfortable, get things where you want them to be before we start actually nailing things down. If I put mic stands in place and I start tethering wires and then suddenly you move something, trust me, by that point, it will be unmovable.

Immovable, I believe is the word. Whatever, yes. So I want to make sure that we get it all secured away from you. Good, good. But I think the police will be coming later. The police will be coming later?

Yeah, to arrest me for what I paid for that table. Oh, yeah, you stole it.

You know me. You got it, yeah, I understand you got it. Yeah, it's a nice, you said you saw this very table on Fox News. Fox News. Fox News. Yes. Would you have gotten it? One of their sets. Okay, would you have gotten it if you had seen it on MSNBC?

I'll have to think about that. Okay, all right. That's the question. Okay, folks, just briefly, especially for the whiners, just briefly, a reminder that this coming Sunday, Eric McCann is speaking at First Baptist Church Woodstock as Horatio, our caller from Georgia, reminded us.

My understanding is that there is a protest Facebook page. I had nothing to do with that. Let me just mention something. If you're planning on going to First Baptist Church Woodstock, here's my recommendations to you.

Pray before you go. Bring an MP3 recorder. Sit respectfully. Pray that the service, despite the situation, will be used of God. Do not do anything that would disrupt the service in any way, shape, or form.

Obviously, my prayer is that the only good thing that could happen here, the only good thing that could happen here is if Eric McCann gets up and he says, "'Folks, I have lived a lie for 13 years, "'and today I'm going to start telling the truth.'".

And he openly admits, "'Yes, I claimed to speak Arabic. "'I don't speak Arabic. "'I claimed to be taught and trained in jihad "'in madrasas in numerous various Near Eastern cities "'in countries, so on and so forth.

"'I wasn't. "'I claimed that my father brought multiple wives "'with him to the United States. "'He did not. "'I claimed to have done debates in mosques, "'and I claimed to have debated people I've never even met, "'and I didn't do any of these debates.

"'I made it all up. "'I'm sorry. "'I did really turn my life over to Jesus "'when I was in high school, "'but then I got caught up in a theological system "'that taught me that my testimony wasn't good enough, "'and I gave in, and I'm sorry, "'and I'm sorry to all of those Muslims that I have offended.

"'I'm sorry to all those ex-Muslims "'that I have brought shame and disrepute "'upon their testimonies. "'I am sorry to all those that I have attacked "'and sent my minions to attack "'for daring to point out the truth.

"'Will you forgive me?'. That's the only good thing that could come out of this, and could that happen? Hey, nothing's too big for God. God could do anything. God could break that man's heart. That'd be wonderful.

Is that what I think's gonna happen? No. If you want to know what my prediction would be, I have a feeling. I mean, we've heard enough Ergen Cantor sermons to understand the process. You know, you tell some stories about how much Ergen likes the senior pastor, and then you eventually get around to reading a verse, and then you very loosely tell stories that illustrate some point you want to make on that verse, and then finish up with the standard stories and the emotional stuff, and that's how it works.

Will he be on his best game, given that this is a megachurch? I would imagine so. Will he be aware of the fact there's a lot of folks who are gonna be listening very carefully to everything he has to say?

No, I would imagine so. I would imagine so. But if you're gonna go, pray for the man's repentance. It's the only reason for you to be there. Make sure that what he says is open for the whole world to know, for the whole world to examine.

But pray for the man's repentance. Do not do anything. Do not approach the man afterwards, and no yelling out, what is Hadith 2425, because you and I both know he can't answer that question, and neither can Norman Geisler.

But honor the fact that there are serious and concerned believers in that church that are not happy that he's there. Keep that in mind. Keep that in mind as well. So I'll certainly be interested in hearing what happens this coming weekend at First Baptist Church, Woodstock.

Islam, ISIS, and the Nature of Evil

We have been observing, speaking of issues relating to Islam, we have been observing the end of Christianity in Iraq. I was no prophet in 2001, 2002. I had not started studying Islam. I'd like to be able to say that if I had, I would have seen this coming, but I can't tell you that.

Christianity is basically dead in Iraq, and it would not have been, but for the United States of America. It's just a fact. Unintended consequence? Certainly, certainly, but one of abject ignorance and a complete misunderstanding of the most radical forms of Islamic thought on the part of secular Westerners.

No question about that. What we're seeing right now with ISIS in Iraq and Syria, isn't it amazing, by the way? I was just pondering the incredible hypocrisy of Western media. Their response to what's going on with Israel cleaning out tunnels in Gaza in comparison to Syria.

They don't care about civilian deaths. There's been 150 ,000 of them in Syria, and it's barely a footnote, but you have, and of course, anybody that dies in Gaza is a civilian. Hamas doesn't actually have people with guns, right?

Amazing. Anyway, just the hypocrisy meter, just the needle's been pegged on that, but you look at ISIS, you look at Boko Haram, and what you see is a shocking level of depravity being exercised by people who are identified by the world as religious.

Now, as Christians, we look at these men, and we recognize that they are giving vent to the deepest, darkest desires of the sinful human heart, and the great perversity is that they are using religion as an excuse for doing this, and we've seen it before.

We've seen it before. We've seen Christians do the same thing. The reality is that though there are some, and we're gonna talk about somebody here in a moment, who tries to turn the Crusades into holy wars, the reality is the Crusaders were bored people who used religion as an excuse to express their violence, and far too often, their sexual depravity.

The rape that ISIS and Boko Haram engage in, can they point to Hadith sources? Can they point to sources in Muhammad's life where very similar things took place? Yeah, that's one of the problems with the sources of Islam, is you can't.

Can't do that with Jesus. No, no, can't, no, not there. Fundamental difference. But what we see, I can't even understand how someone who's not thoroughly biblically reformed can look at the, and I've seen some tough videos that you can see about what ISIS, and I've seen heads cut off, and I've seen people shot in the head, and you see these things.

And how can you understand that if you don't have a biblical understanding of total depravity? I don't understand it. I mean, it must really be rough for Wesleyans, who think there's some spark of good in there.

Nope, not in those folks. No, no, mm-mm. And yet, of course, at the same time, we all know the only message that can stop those people is a message that changes the heart. And may I suggest that one of the real problems with a lot of the missions, efforts that have been made in regards to Islam is we have presented a weak Jesus to the Muslim people.

The Jesus with the long flowing hair carrying the little lamb in his arms. There's everything good about speaking about the love of God, but that loving God is also king and ruler. And I have said many, many times, I have seen the Muslim think much more clearly and in a much more focused way when you begin with the fact that Jesus Christ is Lord of all.

And once you recognize who he is, then his love and his condescension is an amazing thing. But if you don't get the balance right, it's gonna cause a problem. It's gonna cause a problem. So I have a challenge for my non-violent Muslim friends who find what ISIS and Boko Haram and groups like them isn't amazing when Al-Qaeda is now the old news, the old boring guard.

I have a challenge for my non-radical Muslim friends. What is there inherently in the Orthodox Muslim confession that is contrary to these men's actions? I'm not talking about a complex argument that says, well, what's really going on here is that we need to recognize that over the years, there's been certain jurisprudence that has developed.

So these guys are not following this particular school or something like that. No, these people are depraved, demonic men. I mean, if you believe in Shaitan, these people breathe his breath. They're murderers, rapists.

They are vile and they are giving expression to it. Not that they're cowards. They always have those things over their faces. No one's gonna know who I am. God knows. But what is there inherently in the Orthodox Muslim confession that's contrary to these men's actions?

I'd like to suggest something to you to think about. And I believe that it would be borne out with observation over time. And it goes back to what Shabir Ali and I debated about in the mosque in Erasmia last year.

One of my primary arguments was that Islamic soteriology, doctrine of salvation, which is not the primary emphasis of most Islamic thinkers. I recognize that. Islamic soteriology disassociates the holy nature of God from his law.

This is necessary in the Islamic perspective because God, Allah, can forgive without his law being fulfilled, honored, or in any way justified. It's one of the main arguments that Muslims make is that we don't need an atonement.

We don't need a cross. We don't need any of that. God can just simply forgive. And what that means is God's holy nature is not connected in an intimate and consistent fashion with his behavior amongst his creatures in time.

The necessity of atonement in the scriptures, in the scriptures that long pre-existed the Quran, and this is one of the important issues, this is why I've emphasized so many times, what did the author of the Quran really understand of the Bible?

And given the misrepresentations, given that there is such a huge contrast between the relationship of the Old and New Testament, the New Testament writers know the Old, they quote from it, they deal with it, they even recognize when there are textual variants between the traditions, Hebrew and Greek, and sometimes even quote the Greek.

That's how intimate their knowledge is. None of that for the Quran. The author of the Quran has no firsthand knowledge of either the Old and New Testaments. There is great ignorance, which there would not be if God were the author.

And one of the results then of that is found here, and that is the author does not recognize that in the biblical materials, in biblical teaching, there is this perfect unity between God's law and God's actions, and that's what necessitates atonement.

God is demonstrating his wrath and his power and his goodness and his loving kindness and his grace. He's demonstrating all of this. And if you just simply have God winking at sin, if you just simply have God doing what, well, I've told the story many, many times, but that story in the Hadith that is repeated numerous times about the man who killed 99 people, then kills 100, and yet Allah ushers him into paradise just because he was going to find out about repentance.

No atonement, 100 times. God's law concerning life and death violated, he goes to paradise. The author of the Quran doesn't understand that would be utterly outside of the biblical mindset. And so the disassociation of salvation from God's character, from God's very essence, the fundamental problem, material logically speaking, with Islamic theology and teaching.

And I suggest to you that we see the result of this in the hesitancy. Now, I did see, I did see Shabir Ali post a video saying that what these men, Boko Haram and ISIS were doing is un-Islamic. And you've got to understand, we might sit back and go, well, that ain't much.

Trust me, that puts him in a hot seat. Puts him in a hot seat. But the reason there are so few who are even willing to go that far, I believe is due to a fundamental theological issue with Islam. And I would invite you to think about it and to consider it.

Sort of following, sort of following, there's actually a connection here. It may be somewhat artificial, but I am trying to make somewhat of a connection. We've talked a little bit about Erdogan-Kanner, and then we use the connection there to Islam and ISIS and some theological ruminations regarding soteriology in Islam, which you're not gonna hear many people talking about today, unfortunately.

But I don't remember the first time. Actually, I do. Somewhere around, I think it was on 2008. I'm guessing here. Don't ever hold me to specific dates from the recent past anymore. I'm past 50, so you can't do that anymore.

I heard of Waleed Chobat. And I didn't really, you know, I just heard vague things about former Muslim, convert to Christianity, you know, saw some clips, but nothing really in depth until, I forget when it was.

I think I went back and looked, and somewhere around 2010, I think there is an article on our website, maybe somebody can look it up, where he was making a claim at a church about Arabic and like the name of a law appearing in Codex Vaticanus in the Book of Revelation.

And I'm like, okay, that's weird. It's weird for one really obvious reason, and that is there is no Codex Vaticanus in the Book of Revelation. Codex Vaticanus ends at Hebrews 9 .14, so it doesn't contain the Book of Revelation.

And what is in the Codex is a much later, like 10th century manuscript. It's not even close to the same script and stuff like that. So, what, did you find it? Oh, I saw something sneaking onto the screen there.

Neat, neat, neat, neat. On remaining sound in Islamic apologetics. No, they can't see that. Only you can see that.

Only I can see that? Yes, but I can put it up if you want. Oh, well, what's the date on it?

If you give us the date. December 4th, 2009. I was pretty close to 2010. In fact, that's within the margin.

Dan Wallace posted a very interesting article responding to this video, wherein Wally Chubot.

Okay, we don't need to read all of it. So, December of 2009, you'll find the article where December 4th. December 4th, I responded to this strange stuff. And so, that made me go, okay, well, here's somebody, maybe doesn't check their facts real well, stuff like that.

There have been a couple times that I was close to being on the same speaking topic or something with him and it's just never happened. And so, make a long story short, I went to church on Sunday. I'm preaching.

I preached last Sunday, both services, and this Sunday, both services. And thanks, Jason. Jason just asked if I'm going the way of President Heller. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. And I do, however, think that one of the things, in light of what's happened with Russia, that one of the things they have to do, they have to do now, is to give Jack back.

I think that's the first step toward world peace, is giving Jack back. Anyway, see what happens. I've got the channel right here now and the camera's right there. And so, it's probably bad. But anyway, what was I talking about?

I got to church and I'm preaching. So, I'm in the office before we go in and I look at the desk and here's this letter for me. Now, can I mention something? Please do not send things to the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church.

And please do not call and leave messages at the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church. That is not how to get hold of me. That is not how to get around my firewall. Firewall, could you say hello? Thank you.

That's not how you get around the firewall. I don't think I've ever responded to anyone who's left a message on the old magnetic tape version answering machine at PRBC. Do not do that. It's real easy to find this ministry.

And all you got to do is

Well, the problem is it's not that easy to get through to

I got to just convince the firewall that you need to talk to me.

I need to talk to James White. Yes. Why do you need to talk to James White? Because I need to talk to James White. How can I help you? You can get me James White. Okay, okay.

I get that. So, just don't do that. And in fact, this is the only time that I can think of. Maybe I have some time, but here's this letter. And so I open it up and I read it. And I actually responded to it.

It may be the only time I've ever done it, but it actually was interesting enough for me to do so. And it was talking about Waleed Shobat. And it was basically saying, I've found him to be a good source of information, et cetera, et cetera.

But he's become a Roman Catholic and he's saying all these things about the history of church. I don't know how to respond. And I'm like, because I know back in 2009, when I watched the stuff that I did then, he wasn't in Roman Catholic churches.

He was in some odd churches, but they weren't Roman Catholic churches. And so I get back and I consult the Oracle of all knowledge called Google. And immediately a number of articles pop up that make me go, wow.

And so I contacted the other Oracle of all knowledge of things Islamic. And that was Sam Shimon. And this was news to Sam too, but he did the same thing I did. And he's like, wow, there's some weird stuff coming from this guy.

And I'm like, yeah, yeah. One of them that I encountered is from June 12th, 2013 by Waleed, so this is him directly, called Them Damned Catholics. That's what it says, Them Damned Catholics. I'd like to read it to you.

It's fairly long, actually. It's gonna take a little while, but just make some comments on the way. And this'll, a lot of the stuff that I've seen looking through some stuff since yesterday really concerns me.

It sort of sounds like he is promoting the idea of Christian Jihad, Christian militarism, Crusades, that kind of stuff. Just some pretty odd stuff, but here's a, let's dive into it. Throughout the church's history, it has warred with Islam.

The church's history. Yet it has nothing to offer us today. This is a typical answer I get when I discuss Christian history with many evangelicals. They tell me that beyond the Bible, there is nothing else we need.

So next time you have a fire in the house, read the Bible. Don't forget to pray while you forget dialing 911 and enjoy the smoke and fire billowing inside the house. Okay, now immediately there is some serious imbalance here and some seriously bad argumentation.

To believe in Sola Scriptura does not mean that you have to be ignorant of church history. All through this, I will see no evidence that Mr. Schobat really understands the issues in regards to the Reformation, in regards to Sola Scriptura, Sola Gratia, Sola Fide, none of that stuff.

What you hear here is almost a Tim Staples-esque Roman argumentation, very imbalanced, very inaccurate. So when you caricature Sola Scriptura as they tell me that beyond the Bible, there is nothing else we need.

So next time you have a fire in the house, don't call 911, is of course an absurdity and has nothing to do with Sola Scriptura. I find it difficult to even ask questions. What was Christian history like that withstood Islam's evil and defeated it in Europe?

There was a lot of Christian history before Islam, actually, Waleed, a lot of Christian history. Why and how did Christendom lose Egypt and Asia Minor to Islam? And what are we doing in our days to, very naive.

Very naive. Anyone who has the answer, please step forward. Well, nice to meet you. What do most spirit-filled evangelicals know about the Battle of Lepanto, the Battle of Tours, the Battle of Vienna, and the Battle of Malta?

What would they need to know? I mean, outside of a good thing to know something about, there are some evangelicals that believe things like that. I'm not a premillennialist, and I'm not in that camp of eschatology, and you don't seem to realize there are any other camps of eschatology, Waleed.

Battles there were in history, careful. They were too busy doing Bible studies on how them darned, I'm gonna go to darned Catholics. Those darned Catholics were the Antichrist. Yeah, that's all the Reformation was doing.

That's all they were talking about. Like I said, this is more of a Tim Staples view of history. Perhaps I need to exercise the typical American habit before speaking about such matters and prequalify my statements.

I am not saying that all Protestants are evil, heaven's no, yet every time I say the word Catholic, and the whole church jumps up and down, pinpointing the leaven of the Catholics without even looking into the piles of dung worth of heretical books produced by so-called evangelicals.

Really, Waleed? Nobody, no one ever says anything about the silliness on TBN and stuff like that. I have. And I bet you've never seen responsible replies to Rome focused upon actually studying Roman theology and dogmatic statements.

I'd suggest maybe you watch my debates with Mitch Pacwa and see if maybe there's something you've missed, as I think there is something you've missed. Is the rich Catholic history such an evil subject that the Bible warned us not to touch and even beat down on the Catholic wars with Islam?

Even during Nazism, there were many more of these darned Catholics than chose to die in Hitler's ovens than there were evangelicals and Protestants put together. Are these Catholics darned to hell despite making a choice to enter Hitler's furnace?