An Open To Beth Moore about Homosexuality with Michelle Lesley

Beth Moore, Homosexuality, and the Open Letter

All right, well, welcome to another Wrap Report. Today we're going to talk about, well, Beth Moore. There is an open letter to Beth Moore that is asking her to answer some questions on the topic of homosexuality.

Will she answer? Well, I don't know, but we're going to discuss one of the people who are the initial signers of this and discuss this letter, why it is so important, and that's what's coming now on the Wrap Report.

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Okay, as was mentioned, today we're going to talk about an open letter to Beth Moore. Now let me just say that I know some folks are saying, wait a minute, Andrew, you have been discussing this issue of women in ministry, and that's a big thing that Beth Moore loves to talk about, and obviously we take a different view, Beth Moore and I, and some of you may be saying, well, you know, don't you think you should lay off?

Well, there's nothing actually that I'm directing toward Beth Moore because of Beth Moore. It's just she keeps putting herself out there, and therefore we have to address it. Now, if you listened to my last podcast, Does God Allow Women to Pastor or Preach?, I've gotten a lot of flack from it.

Now, here's the interesting thing, folks. There was nothing in that podcast except for the very end that mentioned homosexuality. Nothing. At the very end, I said that one of the reasons I think it's such a great concern is because I think allowing women, the arguments made to allow women to be at the pulpit on a Sunday service or to be pastors is to interpret from culture and not to interpret from the rules of interpretation.

And once you open that door, you can't close that door when homosexuality comes in. I'm saying that to say this, I didn't mention things about homosexuality other than that, and yet I got so much hate mail for the issue of people saying that I was speaking against homosexuality, that I was speaking and being derogatory toward homosexuals.

And I went, wait a minute. These two things have nothing to do with each other, supposedly, right? Wrong. This is the whole thing. The people who are supporting the women preachers are the homosexual community.

Why? Because, well, they know that that's where they can get the church to accept their views. Now, let me give you some positive though. I got this as an email, and this was one of the few positive emails that I got about that episode.

We got a couple of them, but this one comes in, it says, I benefited incredibly from this podcast. It was the most organized and comprehensive yet concise treatment of the subject that I have come across.

Before listening to it, I was not confident at all with my stance. Not only have I made up my mind on it, but I'm confident to discuss it. This is huge because I'm surrounded almost solely by egotitarians most of the time.

So, the last episode we did was beneficial to folks in helping them in defining this issue of whether God allows women to preach at a pulpit or pastor. However, one of the biggest known people out there that is doing this is Beth Moore.

And there was an open letter to Beth Moore specifically asking her to address the issue of homosexuality. And so, I have with me one of the initial signers, Michelle Leslie. You can find, if you go to michelleleslie .com, and Leslie for folks is spelled L-E-S-L-E-Y, and so if you go to michelleleslie .com, you can see on Wednesday the 19th, an open letter to Beth Moore.

Let me say this to you ladies out there, right from the beginning, before Michelle even comes on, please go out there and sign that. Read it and sign it. Let's get a lot of people out there signing it.

Right now, as of the recording of this, there's over 220 signatures of women, only women. But we're going to be encouraging you throughout this podcast for you to go do that because it is something we really would like her to address, and we're going to discuss why in a few minutes.

Now, Michelle, you have had, you've been, you're a blogger, and you blog specifically discipleship for Christian women, so your focus has been on areas where you've done a lot of blogging about, well, you've done blogging about women's role, and you've done blogging about Beth Moore.

So, what I'd like you to do first, for our audience who may not know of you, I'd like you to first just introduce yourself, share with us how you got into blogging, what is the focus, how do you use this for discipling?

Michelle Leslie’s Ministry and Discipleship Through Blogging

Well, thank you so much, Andrew. Yes, my name is Michelle Leslie, and I'm from Baton Rouge, Louisiana. And I'm basically, I mean, at least the way I think of myself, I'm basically just your run-of-the-mill Christian woman, church lady, and all that.

I'm married to my wonderful husband for over 26 years, and we have six wonderful children that God has brought into our lives. And I attend my church every week, and I'm involved there. And that is what God has called me to in this season of my life.

In my leftover time, my spare time, I've been blogging for about 11 years, and it has just brought me so much joy to be able to interact with Christian women, and to help build them up, and encourage them, to point them back to scripture, encourage them to be active in their local church, and encourage them to study God's word for themselves.

And it's just brought a lot of joy into my life to be able to reach out to Christian women that way.

So, as far as blogging as a form of discipleship, because with the technology changes that we've had, I mean, in first century times, they would never think of, oh, I'll write a blog as a way of discipling people.

I mean, Paul wrote letters, right? John wrote letters. We have letters, but things have changed with technology. So, being someone who's been blogging for a long time, how do you, basically what I'm trying to say is how you've seen that you've been able to make an impact on women's lives.

I actually know for a fact, because we spoke beforehand, you and I have a mutual friend, someone we both know, and she's shared with me how you have impacted her, so I know from that side. But I want to hear from your side how you get to have that impact.

Well, I think what I'm trying to do anyway is when women come to me, I'm trying to be like a soccer goalie and kick them back into their local church and to get plugged into their local church and serve there and learn there.

So, some of the ways that I do that are, for one thing, I've got a resource set up for women who are not in a doctrinally sound church, who are looking for a doctrinally sound church. I've compiled a bunch of search engines for doctrinally sound churches, and I've had my readers recommend their own churches and other churches that they know of that are doctrinally sound.

We have hundreds and hundreds of churches there, so that when women, maybe they've stumbled across my blog by accident, I call it providence, some people say by accident, but they've come across my blog and they've started reading some things and they start looking at what's being taught in their own church and looking at what scripture says, and they start realizing, I've got to get out of this church.

I'm not being fed the truth of God's word. I need to be somewhere that's doctrinally sound. Then we have a resource that we can give to them to say, look, here, take where you live and plug it into this resource and see if you can find some suggestions of churches that would be healthy for you to go to.

That's one of the ways that I've tried to do that. We've got another resource that's fairly new there on the blog for biblical counseling. A lot of times women will write to me, a lot of them in a doctrinally unsound church or for some reason they're out of church right now or whatever, and they'll write to me with just these heart-rending problems in their personal lives and stuff that I would not feel it would be ethical for me to try to help them with through email just because it's too much and too personal and things like that.

Normally what I would do is refer that woman to her pastor and say, set up an appointment with your pastor for counseling. But because these women are between churches or they're in a doctrinally unsound church or whatever, I've set up this resource to direct them to biblical counselors.

We're still building that one and working on that one. Another resource, also hopefully designed to build women up and to build their local churches up as well, is that I write a weekly Bible study. Having looked at some of the best-selling women's Bible studies that are out there on the market today, I think mine are a little bit different from those.

Mine try to direct women back into the scriptures, not so much to focus on their own lives and their own feelings, which is what I've found. When I look at some of those more popular women's Bible studies, they're very narcissistically focused.

What I want to do is to direct women back into the scriptures and study the scriptures. You study straight from the scriptures themselves. My Bible studies are designed to be almost training wheels for women who are coming on off of the prepackaged Bible studies and they want to start learning how to study the Bible for themselves.

The studies that I write show them how to do that, show them the questions they should be asking of the text. They're available for free for women to use anytime they want to. They're also available for churches to use for their women's Bible study groups or Sunday school classes and things of that nature.

I've had women write to me and ask, we have this rehab group that we do at our church for recovering drug addicts. I'd like to use your study for that. Can I do that? Sure. I go to the women's prison every month.

We'd like to do a Bible study with them. Can we use one of your studies? Sure. One of the things that I'm trying to do is to help build up women in sound doctrine so they can study the Bible for themselves and also through making that resource available to build up the local church and help train teachers in the local church.

When you're teaching the Bible, here's how you do it. These are the kinds of questions you ask. These are the kinds of things you focus on in the text. My desire might be a little bit different from other bloggers, but my desire is to build up the spiritual health of the church and to build up the spiritual health of individual Christian women.

I think you're asking about the electronic milieu, I guess. I think that's a good way to do it because it's handy, it's free, it's easily available. You can take it and use it in your own context, in your own church, and just do what is good and healthy in your own spiritual life and for your church.

As well. I was glad. I quickly went out to check, and I was glad to see that you have my church listed there, the Master's Church of Buckeyes County in Richboro, Pennsylvania. So I'm glad that you have our church listed there.

Good.

To know that I go to a church you approve of. It's not really me approving of it. It's.

Listed under Reader's Recommendations. Let's talk in general about women pastors. I know I did a whole episode on it. It was kind of funny, son. You had said before we went live, I haven't read your blog articles, but I guess you and I kind of think alike because, son, you had said you didn't hear anyone else ever say, and I said I didn't know anyone ever said it.

I thought it was original with me, and now I'm finding out maybe it wasn't because you've said similar things. So let's talk about women's role in general so the audience will know what your position is on women pastors, women preachers.

So let's start with that.

What would be your position? Okay, my position I guess would be what they're calling right now hard complementarianism, or I'm not sure about all the other terms that are floating.

Complementarianism, Egalitarianism, and Women’s Role in the Church

Around. Well, I kind of prefer complementarianism, and instead of softening complementarianism, let's soften the liberal view and just say it's... Yeah, exactly. I said the same thing.

Myself. Why can't they just be called weak egalitarians instead of soft complementarians?

See, I like that. That's even better than soft. Let's call them weak eclaritarians.

That's a better title. Well, I would say I really don't even like surrendering the term complementarian to people who are trying to change it to mean something that it doesn't mean. So I want to just hold the line on saying I'm complementarian, and here's what biblical complementarianism is.

I don't want to add an adjective before it, like I just said with saying biblical complementarianism, because that's redundant. But anyway, that's where I am. I am a complementarian, and for people who are not familiar with those terms, just briefly, a complementarian is someone who believes, as I do, that men and women are both created in the image of God, both valuable, both very special and loved by God, and very equal in salvation.

There's no different kinds of salvation for men and for women. But also the fact that God has blessed men and women with different roles. Women have a very special role to play in the family and in God's kingdom, and men have a very special role to play in God's family and God's kingdom.

And those are both equally valid and equally important. And we need to be sure that we are honoring God by filling out the role that he has created for us as women. It's an honor to fill out that role biblically.

And then egalitarians actually believe the same thing, that we're all creating in God's image equally, but they do not believe that there are differing roles for men and women, that women can do anything in the church that men can do, and that women and men in marriage, that there's not the husband as the leader and the wife submits to her husband, but that they are both equal in marriage in their roles.

I'm not sure exactly how that works out in egalitarian marriages. I know it would cause a lot of conflict in mine, but that's basically the difference between complementarianism and egalitarianism. My position, which I, actually let me back that up a little bit.

The Bible's position which I agree with is that women are not to preach or teach to men, teach the scriptures to men, or to hold authority over men in the gathered body of believers, in the church setting.

And that includes holding the office of pastor or elder or teacher or anything like that, as well as performing the functions of those offices, including being a pastor or a guest preacher on a Sunday morning, or teaching a co-ed Sunday school class, or things of this nature.

So that's, I believe that's scripture's position, and I support and believe and submit to scripture on that.

You know, one of the things you said, I don't think that gets communicated well to people that disagree with you. You started off by saying, look, they're equal in salvation, we're equal in all these different ways.

That's only one area. Exactly. You know, on my podcast last week, I ended up addressing the fact that, see, that's what Satan did in the garden. It's like, oh, you can't have any tree. No, there's only one tree we can't have, but he makes that as if that's everything.

Yes, and I've actually written an article very similar to that. I was telling you earlier before we got on the air that when I heard your podcast on women's roles in the church, I felt like you were reading my blog out loud, because you were saying all the same things that I had been saying.

It was really interesting and really comforting to know that there are like-minded people out there. So yes, yes, there's that one tree we need to stay away from, but there's dozens of other trees in the garden, and if we would just forget about that one tree that God has said no about, and just go out into the garden and start pruning and fertilizing and harvesting from all these other trees, we wouldn't have time to worry about the one tree that God has said no about, right?

That's true, and I do feel bad for you, because if your brain works like mine, I'm sorry. If you think like me, that could be bad.

No, let's just say great minds think alike.

I would love to agree with that. My wife thinks that my mind is different. We had some Mormons over, which I just love. Okay, I admit, I'm one of these, I actually, the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are not allowed at my house.

Their organizations don't let them, and somehow they asked if they could come over, and I was like, yes, yes! So I'm loving it, but these three girls, their heads are spinning when they come, and they're just like, they think they have these really great answers, and then I'm like, yeah, but, and I start explaining things, and they're like, and my wife is like, he doesn't think like normal people.

That's so funny, because the other day, my husband was headed out, and he said, the Mormons are coming down the street, and I said, okay, I'm ready, and they skipped our house. So I don't know what's going on there.

I think word gets out that people will witness to him or something like that, but I don't know.

If you want, I mean, maybe this is the reason Jehovah's Witnesses don't come by. So I had Jehovah's Witnesses when I moved. I had the first week that I was home on Saturday, 10 o 'clock, they came to the door, I loved it, I talked to them for a while.

The next week, I noticed that they went from my one neighbor's house, skipped my house. I was so bummed, I grabbed my New World Translation, I ran out to my neighbor, and as he's opening the door for them, and I came to find out that they actually went through my neighborhood every Saturday at 10 o 'clock, because one of our neighbors, his sister was a Jehovah's Witness, so she would send them all through our entire neighborhood.

And so the neighbors were used to it, they told me. And here he is, he opens the door, and I'm like, hey Pete, I'm your neighbor next door, just moved in, they're going to lie to you about the Bible, I'm going to correct them, go ahead.

And they looked at me, and what are you doing? I said, well, I'm going to correct the lies you tell, go ahead. And they didn't know what to do. So they left his house, and they went to the next house, and I started following them, and they're like, what are you doing?

I said, I'm not going to let you lie to my neighbors. And so the following week, they skipped my entire block. And all my neighbors were so glad, they thanked me, because they said that they've been coming through the neighborhood every single week.

And then it came time for Christmas, and I gave each of them a gospel message on CD, a book that shares the gospel in detail, a gospel track. They went, oh no, we have one moved in! So, but yeah, you do that, and they don't come visit.

I get marked pretty quickly. I'm actually one of these people, I write the letter for the Mormon church, and I request a Book of Mormon, because they would send missionaries, they used to, but they don't anymore for me.

Such a bummer. Yes, yes. So, you know, this has been, though, a big issue, this whole thing of women preachers, to take this role, take the position that you and I would take, that there are differences in areas that women can serve in.

Somehow, the culture seems to say that's oppressing women to do that. The big concern I see with a lot of this is I see that so many people seem to be giving into culture and cultural pressure. So, a question I want for you is why do you think so many people want to support the idea.

Why Cultural Pressure Leads to Egalitarianism

Of female pastors or preachers? Well, the answer I give is not going to be very popular, but when somebody asks me a question like that, I always like to get down to brass tacks and get down to the root of the issue.

And it's, like I say, this is not going to be a popular answer, but I think the Bible bears this out, that when you are of the world, you go after the things of the world. And Jesus has told us that the gate is wide and the road is narrow that leads to salvation.

And there are going to be many people who appear to be or proclaim to be Christians who are not genuinely regenerated. So, I want to say this very carefully. I believe that many of the people who subscribe to egalitarianism and subscribe to the idea of women being pastors and ignore what Scripture says or rebel against what Scripture says, I believe many of those people are false converts.

I am not saying, as I have been accused several times of saying, I am not saying that anyone who ever has an egalitarian thought cross her mind or maybe thinks for a few minutes that women should be pastors.

I am not saying anyone who ever has a thought like that is unsaved. I'm saying that unsaved people gravitate to the ideas of egalitarianism and feminism and women pastoring because that is a worldly idea and they are of the world.

There are other categories of people who fall into the egalitarian camp. The first major one is, like I said, probably false converts. The second major category of people who might think this is a good idea is women who are biblically ignorant.

And men too, but I deal with women, so I tend to speak in terms of women. But they don't realize that the Bible teaches against this or they have been told by other people who purport to be Bible teachers or Christian leaders that when the Bible says that women are not to preach to or instruct men in the Scriptures or hold authority over them in the church, that the Bible doesn't really mean that.

That the Bible really means something else and that it's okay for women to do this now, that that was just for women in the Ephesian church or because of that culture at the time that 1 Timothy was written or whatever.

And so they either don't know what the Bible teaches or someone has taught them incorrectly with or without improper motives. So I think those are the two biggest categories of folks who would support women being pastors as people who are not saved and are rebelling against Scripture or people who are saved and just have been improperly instructed.

Yeah, and you can't get around that what seems to be the driving force is culture over Bible.

Yes. I was just going to say what James says is that friendship with the world is enmity with God. And so you follow after your Father. If your Father is God, you will follow after Him in Christ. To put it the way Jesus put it in John, if your Father is the devil, you will follow after the devil.

That's not Michelle saying that. That's the Bible saying that. And so it's really important for us to examine where we are spiritually, which direction we're going. If we're drawn to the things of the world, we're at enmity with God.

And Christians are by nature not at enmity with God. We've been redeemed and reconciled to God. And we are His friends. And we are allies with God. And we support Him. Not that He needs our support. But I mean, we are on the side of the things of God.

And so if we are holding worldly ideas about this or anything else, we really need to examine our hearts. And I'm including myself in that. The way I explain it to women a lot of times is that we are slaves of Christ.

And slaves are not entitled to their own opinions. Slaves are only entitled to the opinions of their masters. And He is to control everything that we think and say and do and believe, and our feelings as well.

We're not entitled to have any kind of opinions or positions that are in conflict with the.

Positions and opinions of our master. Yeah, because this is where I think really we have to deal with. The way you lay this out is what we see every time we see false teaching. It is always man-centered.

Always. And what I'm hearing from you is a lifting up of God. Lifting God up on high. Not lifting man up on high. And what we end up seeing, well, let's be specific, of people like Beth Moore is a lifting up of humans.

Oh, it'll be sprinkled with spiritual language. But it's not really at its core lifting up God. It's actually lifting up people to get what God can give us. So let me do this. I want to get into this issue with Beth Moore.

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So, let's talk Beth Moore. Now, are we trying to, Michelle, are we trying just to pick on Beth Moore? Do we have.

Beth Moore, the Open Letter, and Public Accountability

Anything against her personally? Oh, of course not. I mean, she says that she is a Christian, and I have to take, I don't have to take her word for that. I'm not saying just because you say you're a Christian means you're a Christian, but I have not heard her proclaim anything, at least with regard to salvation, that would contradict that.

And so, I'm going to extend the benefit of the doubt and certainly, you know, say that she is my sister in Christ. And you don't have things against someone who is a sister in Christ personally or anything like that.

You're not mean to them and whatnot. So, no, this is not anything about Beth personally. I think she's a very nice person from what I've seen. She's very affable. She seems to have a genuine concern for people to know Christ and to love Christ.

And I think she really does care about many of the injustices that are going on in the world, and I commend her for that. And I think also you'll see, one of the things that has pleased me so much about the open letter and the women who have signed it is that if you'll look through the comments section on that post, you'll see how many women are saying that they are praying for her and they love her and they want to see her stand on what's right biblically and do the right thing biblically.

And that is our desire as well, if I can speak for the other ladies who are the original signers of the letter, is that we love Beth and we want to reach out to her and say, please, you know, help your followers and help our followers as well to understand where you stand.

And in the process of showing us where you stand, take that opportunity and use your platform to explain to your followers what the Bible teaches regarding homosexuality and align yourself with what the Bible teaches about homosexuality.

Because if the followers of hers that have contacted me are any indication, there are many of her followers who are homosexuals themselves or who may are not homosexuals themselves, but who are homosexual affirming.

I've had several of her followers like that contact me to defend her. And so these people need the truth of what God says about homosexuality and about every other issue as well. And so that's our desire, is that she would steward well the platform that she has and steward it in a biblical way to boldly proclaim the truth of what God says and to be unashamed about that.

So that's our desire. I'm not sure. We've gotten a lot of accusations about our motives for doing, for publishing this letter, and many of them assume the worst motives. And I want to make sure that that statement gets out there, that we do not have these awful motives that people are attributing to us.

We just, it needs to be made clear where she stands on this biblically.

Now, do you have concerns about Beth Moore's teachings? Not her personally, because unless you know her personally, I don't, but I have concerns with her teaching. Do you have any.

Concerns about her teaching? Yes. It's kind of hard to give specific examples on a podcast, but I do, I have an article on my blog about Beth Moore and the ways that she twists scripture and handles scripture improperly.

So that's one of the concerns about her. And I want to, I'd like to make another point clear, because a couple of readers have asked me about this. What if she, what if she does come out and make a strong black and white statement about, you know, the biblical teachings about homosexuality?

What if she comes out and she's a hundred percent biblical and right on that and firm and unashamed? Is that going to change anything? Might that confuse some of her followers, if she does that, into thinking that she is a doctrinally sound teacher, since she's on the right side of homosexuality.

And I want to make clear that this coming out and talking about her views on homosexuality, if she aligns herself with scripture, that would only be the first step in correcting some of the theological problems that she has.

It would be a wonderful first step, but it would only be a first step. Because as I've just said, she does twist scripture. She uses it improperly. She allegorizes scripture. She doesn't, she takes it out of context.

She believes in extra biblical revelation, you know, God told me kind of things. And as we know, she thinks that preaching to men is okay. She very brashly stated on Twitter, right before Mother's Day, that she was going to be preaching the Sunday sermon at her own church.

And she's done that plenty of times before, as she admitted herself. She's been preaching to men in churches and in conference venues for decades. This isn't new. But she's now coming out and unashamedly saying it, at least.

So that's a problem that she preaches to men. And also that she yokes with false teachers. I mean, she has yoked with Joyce Meyer. She has yoked with Victoria Osteen. When I say yoked with, I mean partnered in ministry with them, which the Bible is very clear on that we are not to do in 2 Corinthians 6, 14 through 18, I believe it is.

So she partners with all kinds of false teachers, Christine Kane, and just many others. Her television show is on TBN. So that is very concerning. And it's clear in the trajectory that she has been on over the 40 years that she's been teaching.

Her trajectory towards false doctrine has been very clear. And I believe that these false teachers that she partners with, associates with, unfortunately, Proverbs says that bad company corrupts good morals.

And I believe that it might not be Proverbs. Don't quote me on that. It's somewhere in the Bible. It says that. But anyway, I believe that her associations with these false teachers, and one of the reasons that 2 Corinthians warns us not to be unequally yoked with people like this, is that it has drawn her away.

Just like Solomon's wives, all his many wives, drew him away into idol worship because of his yoking with them. I believe these false teachers have had a great influence on her and have drawn her away further from the truth of Scripture.

So there are a number of theological problems with Beth Moore. And even if she comes out and strongly, in a black and white way, states what the Bible says on homosexuality, that's going to be a great first step, but it's only going to be the first step in correcting.

The theological problems with her. Yes, because there is a difference that we see, as we already said, between her preaching at a pulpit. And let me quote you from a blog article that you wrote called Women and False Teachers, Why Men Don't Get It and Why It's Imperative That They Do.

This was sent to me from your blog article, and it says, quote, there's at least one biblical issue women respond to differently at a core level of their spiritual DNA than men do. And men, it's crucial that you get it on this one.

You're the pastors, the elders, the husbands, the fathers, the ones responsible before God for leading your churches and your families in doctrinally sound spiritual growth. You've got to get this for the sake of the girls and women you lead.

Women respond differently to false teachers than men do. And ladies, we need to understand this about ourselves too, unquote. Now that comes across much stronger when it's a woman saying that. Yes, it does.

Now I'm going to say that there, you know, that is a general statement. Okay. My wife, for example, I joke with her, she thinks like a man. She's an engineer by trade. My wife has zero patience for false teaching.

I mean, zero. We were in a church and they did a Beth Moore Bible study. They were doing through one of her books and she came home and she was like, Andrew, I don't know if I should, you know, what, what to do.

This is what was said. I want to check it with you before I say something to the ladies next week. Cause I'm, this doesn't sound right. And I'm okay. Well, let's read the context, make sure we're getting it right.