TLP 572: Parenting Sorrowing Children, Part 5 | Discipleship Sorrow

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On the other hand, this is not a moment to emotionally and manipulate anyone. We don't want a snap decision being made because we were able to make them feel bad about what they did.

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Absolutely not. Parenting isn't about us. In fact, parenting isn't even about our kids.

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Parenting is just one way Christian dads and moms are to worship God. So welcome to the Truth Love Parent Podcast, where we train dads and moms to give

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God the preeminence in their parenting. Welcome back to our series on Parenting Sorrowful Children.

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On our first episode, we looked at the cause of sorrowing, and we talked about daily sorrow, discontented sorrow, divine sorrow, and we looked at how deceived sorrow interacts with all of them.

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Today, we're going to look at one of two choices a child can make when confronted by divine sorrow.

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But before we do that, let me welcome you. Let me invite you to make sure you've listened to the whole series before jumping into today's topic.

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TLP in the process. And now let's talk about the most beautiful form of sorrow you and your children can ever experience.

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Daily sorrow is unavoidable. We wouldn't necessarily wish it on our kids, but we do know that God wants to use it to mature them, which is, you know, fantastic.

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Deceived sorrow and discontented sorrow are sorrows that grow as a result of sinful responses to believing a lie.

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But praise God for divine sorrow. We thank the Lord that His Holy Spirit rests on our hearts, convicting us and causing the good shame designed to lead us to true change.

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But conviction is not enough to change a person. Many a man and woman have experienced the conviction of the

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Holy Spirit and has fought it. Romans 1 articulates the trajectory of those who know the truths of God but who fight it and suppress it and actively replace it with lies.

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Ephesians 4 .19 tells us of those who have become callous and given themselves up to sensuality.

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My point is this. It's not enough to see the glory of God declared by the heavens. It's not enough to be confronted with painful truth from the outside.

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We must resonate with that sorrow. We have to believe it. We have to submit to the truth and therefore experience the grief.

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If I could put it this way, true repentance is actually an inverse to temptation. Whereas external temptation does not make us sin, but instead it is our sinful heart that resonates with the external temptation, therefore making the internal temptation that which allures and entices us to sin.

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In a similar way, the external conviction of God will not be acted upon until our hearts resonate with it.

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And since it is this internal sorrow that is the catalyst for genuine repentance, it is this sorrow that is the most beautiful.

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This is a sorrow we all need to experience. So let's consider number one, the experience of children with discipleship sorrow.

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This is the personal sorrow of a true disciple of God that is inspired by the divine sorrow that showed them they were in sin.

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By the way, if a child is not truly a disciple of God, if they're not a follower of God, then this is hopefully the sorrow that will lead them to become a disciple of God.

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Last time I mentioned Matthew 5, 3, Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

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It is the convicting truth of the Holy Spirit that shows us that we are, in fact, spiritually destitute.

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We are spiritually impoverished. That weighty truth is divine sorrow. But how do we respond to that weight?

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We can choose to not care. We could choose to call it a lie. We can distract ourselves with all the shiny things of this world.

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But it's Matthew 5, 4 that shows what happens when we personalize and internalize the divine sorrow and agree with Him in His assessment of our desperate situation.

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Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted. James, likely the first New Testament letter ever written, does a fantastic job of fleshing out many of the most basic and fundamental truths

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Christians need to know. That is why in James 4, 7 -10 we read, Submit, therefore, to God.

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Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double -minded.

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That call to cleanse your hands because you're sinners and double -minded, that right there is that conviction of God, it's the divine sorrow.

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Now here comes the next part. Be miserable and mourn and weep.

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Let your laughter be turned into mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves in the presence of the

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Lord, and He will exalt you. Now I went into much more detail about this in the

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James Bible study we did during the lockdowns. We don't have a ton of time to do the same thing here, but we need to understand is that the misery and mourning and weeping and gloom to which we're being called is the discipleship sorrow we're talking about today.

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It's the sorrow that agrees with God about our state. We cannot see our spiritual death or immaturity and smile.

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It's a desperate and forlorn state. It's truly lamentable if we believe it. And it's when our soul's condition, not our situations, is that about which we sorrow that real change comes.

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I read 2 Corinthians 7, 8 through 10 last time as an introduction to today's point. For though I caused you sorrow by my letter,

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I do not regret it, though I did regret it, for I see that the letter caused you sorrow, though only for a while.

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I now rejoice, not that you were made sorrowful. Let's stop right there. Okay, so up until now,

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I believe he's talking about the divine sorrow, the truth of his words caused. But when then Paul identifies two different responses to that divine sorrow, the first of which is discipleship sorrow.

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Starting in verse 9, we read, I now rejoice, not that you were made sorrowful, but that you were made sorrowful to the point of repentance.

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For you were made sorrowful according to the will of God, so that you might not suffer loss in anything through us.

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For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation.

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We'll discuss the other sorrow on our next episode. For now, though, let's understand what the Corinthians experienced that was a good shame of divine sorrow, and they responded in discipleship sorrow.

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And here's one more wonderful example of this type of sorrow. Acts 2, 36 through 37 says,

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Therefore, let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this

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Jesus whom you crucified. Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles,

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Brethren, what shall we do? The divine sorrow brought on by the weighty reality that they had crucified the

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Christ produced in them a discipleship sorrow which understood that something had to change.

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This my friends is a glorious place to be, not because it feels good, sorrow never feels good, but because it results in the unsaved being born again and the children of God growing in their conformity to his

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Son. Matthew 5 and just like James 4 go on to reveal that those who respond to the divine sorrow of their impoverished state with the discipleship sorrow of genuine mourning, they will also humbly cry out for the help they desperately need.

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They recognize they can't do it themselves. They realize they're spiritually incapable. Their pride is set aside and the

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Holy Spirit gives them what verse 6 in Matthew 5 calls a hunger and thirst for righteousness that precedes the mercy, purity, peacemaking and rejoicing that follows in the chapter.

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We want this for our children. You really do want this for your children. Now, before we talk about how to parent children into and through this sorrow, let me remind you about my book,

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Quit! How to Stop Family Strife for Good. This book is all about embracing divine sorrow and discipleship sorrow so that our families can put off the sin that results in strife.

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One person observed that there are 500 pages worth of content in the short 100 pages of this book.

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It's short and concise, but it also provides various resources in order for you to dig deeper into helping your family embrace the discipleship sorrow needed for change.

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Please get a copy today. In fact, buy a bunch of them for stocking stuffers. At only $10, it's cheaper than a white elephant gift.

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Now let's discuss number two, parenting children with discipleship sorrow. First things first, A, utilize all the previous parenting strategies we've discussed.

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As a quick review, this includes teaching and reminding your kids about any or all of the following, the relationship between God and suffering, what emotions are, what sorrow is, what suffering and loss are, how they are prone to respond to suffering, how to identify the loss, how to understand the kind of loss, and the kind of sorrow that they are experiencing.

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Those are the fundamental truths we all need to remember when we're suffering. In regard to daily sorrow, we need to remind them to run to the scriptures and how to trust

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God. Then we teach them to pray for wisdom, praise God, ask for help, and serve others.

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When they experience discontented sorrow, we can teach and or remind them to identify the discontentment and water them with the truth about the sin through reproof.

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And when they're in the middle of divine sorrow, call them to believe God's truth by submitting to it and warn them about the incoming temptations.

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As we call them to believe and submit to the truth about their sin, letter B, invite the child experiencing divine sorrow to be grieved over their sin.

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Take them to Matthew 5 and James 4. Help them to truly understand the significance of their sin in light of who

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God is. On the other hand, this is not a moment to emotionally manipulate anyone.

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We don't want a snap decision being made because we were able to make them feel bad about what they did. Absolutely not.

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No. This is about them truly understanding God's awesomeness and love and beauty as well as their own sinful failure.

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Should those realities result in the grief and sorrow we discussed? Yes, but we're not trying to make them feel something so much as we're trying to help them believe something.

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That is key. You can emotionally manipulate people into doing just about anything when you make them feel bad.

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But we're talking about presenting a collection of truths that are so stark and beautiful and awful and powerful that when we and our children submit to them, we can't help but experience grief over the fact that we'd ever snubbed them in the first place.

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This is a very important point, so I'm going to repeat it one more time. Inviting your child who is currently experiencing divine sorrow to be personally grieved over their sin is about sowing the seed of truth in their lives, not merely saying things to quote -unquote make them feel bad.

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Are we on the same page? Do we understand the difference between saying things to manipulate our kids' emotions and presenting them the truth of God's word which will have the consequence of affecting their emotions?

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I hope we do. Good. Okay. Letter C. Teach them to confess their sin.

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As we've discussed in depth in the Parents 5 Job series and the Biblical Parenting Essentials Conference, both of which are linked in the description of today's show, we know that the reproof stage is the stage at which we're helping our kids reinterpret how they respond in the situation.

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We're persuasively trying to help them agree with God about their sin. Well, when a person agrees with God about what they've believed, desired, thought, felt, said, or did, when they verbally agree with Him, they are confessing.

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I was wrong when I lied to you. I sinned when I took your toy. I should have trusted you instead of assuming the worst of you.

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But confession is not all that is required of us. I've known far too many people who've acquiesced to the biblical data that God said that what they were doing was wrong, but there was no real change.

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So we'll get to this in a minute. Letter D. Teach them to ask for forgiveness. We go over this in great detail in the two series

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I mentioned earlier, but we also have a two -part episode called Teach Your Children to Apologize. This is stage two of a biblical apology, asking for forgiveness.

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This is Lord willing when they realize that they owe a debt they cannot pay, and they humbly ask the person against whom they have sinned to forgive their debt, to wipe it clean.

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Of course, they have no control over what the other person will do, but it's their responsibility to confess their sin and ask for forgiveness.

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But confession and a request for forgiveness are not all that is required of us. I've known far too many people who've acquiesced to the biblical data that God said that what they did was wrong, and they even went so far as to mouth an apology, but there was no real change.

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Therefore, letter E, teach them to commit to repentance. In the aforementioned podcast series, we go into significant detail about how to teach our kids about this.

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So I'm not really going to go into that necessary detail here. Just listen to those episodes. You'll love it. You'll benefit from it.

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The key though for today is that our children understand what repentance is, the importance of it, and how to engage in it.

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And the first step is committing to pursuing it. In order to do this, they have to have acknowledged that they sinned and that sin is not acceptable, which is why they requested to be forgiven.

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If all that is true, then they are clearly agreeing with the fact that they need to change. They need to stop sinning in that way.

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But let's not leave it unspoken. Let's tell the people against whom we've sinned that we are vowing to do our best to the glory

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Oftentimes, this involves actually soliciting the help of the person against whom we've sinned.

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But confession, a request for forgiveness, and even a commitment to change are not all that is required of us.

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I've known far too many people who acquiesced to the biblical data, made an apology, and promised to do better, who never really changed.

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That's because all of the things I just mentioned are basically scripts, or at least they can be boiled down to just a bunch of words that we memorize.

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Just like your child can memorize a script in which they claim to be Romeo or Juliet and profess their soon -to -be dying love of the other, a person can navigate this apology process in the same way.

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They can say, I've sinned, please forgive me, I want to change and never mean it. Therefore, we need to help keep them accountable.

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One such way we can do this is the correction phase of biblical parenting. Letter F, counsel them in how to correct their response to loss and embrace daily sorrow.

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There are two main categories in which our kids will fall in this regard. The first category is a child who's experiencing daily sorrow, but slid into discontented sorrow.

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By God's grace, the divine sorrow has produced discipleship sorrow, and by confessing, asking for forgiveness, and committing to change, they can reduce the sorrow in their lives.

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They no longer need to experience the discipleship, divine, or discontented sorrow, and they can return to pleasing the

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Lord in their response to the daily sorrow. The other possibility is that our kids weren't experiencing daily or discontented sorrow at all.

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Instead, they actually just sinned in some other way that didn't inherently include sorrow. Still, because they sinned, they should have experienced at some point divine sorrow and be called to engage in discipleship sorrow over their sin.

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Once this group has worked through that, they may either be set free from the sorrow they were experiencing, because all of it is gone, or there may be an appropriate daily sorrow as they navigate the consequences of their sin to the glory of God.

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But this again is where we must, letter G, warn them of the incoming temptations. One such temptation is to believe lies and be deceived.

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Another is to once again become discontent. And another is to experience the sorrow we're going to discuss next time, deadly sorrow.

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First Thessalonians 5 .14 reads, And we urge you, brothers, admonish the unruly, encourage the faint -hearted, help the weak, be patient with everyone.

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If the child doesn't respond to the divine sorrow with discipleship sorrow, the only other option is deadly sorrow, and it can rear its ugly head when they least expect it.

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That's why we have to admonish them. But that is for next time. As we finish up today though, let's consider number three, the relationship between deceived sorrow and discipleship sorrow.

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There are two points I want to make here. Letter A. We can be deceived in thinking that we're experiencing discipleship sorrow when we're actually not.

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The rocky heart in the parable of the soils knows things they don't really believe, but they are convinced they have genuine faith.

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The thorny heart is known for its superficially emotional responses to truth. The end of Matthew 7 introduces us to people who honestly believed they had a relationship with God, only to find out that they were wrong.

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Isaiah teaches us that our hearts are wicked and deceptive. The Bible says that when we're in our sin, we're blind.

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With all this truth and more, it's easy to conclude that we or our kids might believe we are responding like a disciple, but we're not.

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The deceived sorrow we're experiencing may be a superficial emotional response to having done wrong, but the genuine desire for actual change to the glory of God may not be there.

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On the other hand, there may be a mental assent to the Bible and a desire to change for purely logical reasons that misses out on the

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God -focused necessity of true worship. In other words, their change may be self -focused and therefore self -serving.

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This is one way deceived sorrow can replace discipleship sorrow. But there's another.

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Letter B. We can be deceived into believing lies about divine sorrow.

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We're actually going to talk about this more next time, because when we believe lies about divine sorrow and our current reproof, we won't be able to help but experience deadly sorrow.

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Wow, if you're anything like I, you probably didn't realize before that sorrow was such a multifaceted concept.

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But as we study God's Word and the human condition, we've realized that not all sorrow pleases the Lord, and some of it is beautiful and necessary.

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The discipleship sorrow that puts off sin, renews its mind, and puts on the character of Christ is truly a beautiful sorrow indeed.

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Please share this series with your friends and email us at counselor at truthloveparent .com or leave a voicemail at 828 -423 -0894 if our biblical counselors can help you and or your family respond correctly to the divine sorrow in your lives.

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On our next episode, we're going to look at the final form of deceived sorrow, deadly sorrow. Lastly, please don't forget to check out our sponsors, buy yourself a copy of Quit and prayerfully consider donating to this ministry.

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