April 15, 2020 Show with Dr. Latayne C. Scott on “Mere Coincidence vs. God’s Providence”

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We are going to be addressing mere coincidence Versus God's providence and it's my honor and privilege to

welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio.

Dr. Latane C Scott.

What a pleasure to be here.

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But today we are addressing mere coincidence versus God's providence.

That theme came to mind when hearing your own

story.

Things that you have just recently revealed to the public.

About your life with Dan and the trials you have gone through that you have never mentioned in public before.

I'm assuming since they're on YouTube that you feel comfortable doing it to our audience as well but

and Because of the fact that many people many Christians

fall into two extreme errors, I believe when it comes to

Trials and difficult circumstances in their lives on one extreme

you have those Who believe that whatever happens in our lives,

perhaps if you're talking about a Christian They would say that it is just bad luck.

It is Coincidence, it's happenstance.

There are things that are completely separate from God's activity.

He almost Becomes the God of the deists at that point where he is

standing far away or sitting on his throne far away Observing things that happen in our

lives and he has no part of them and then you have the other extreme and where you have

Christians who either believe themselves are being told.

That.

Whatever bad circumstances arise in their lives. It is a punishment or a chastisement

From God.

They are guilty of something.

Typically an unconfessed sin.

And you have people who have added to their own misery of the trial.

They're experiencing a horrible guilt.

That may be compounded by the fact that they are not certain what it is Exactly that God is chastising

them or punishing them.

For so you have those two extreme Ends of the spectrum and I believe that the Bible.

Although obviously he does chastise those whom he loves.

You know if if a person has been Sexually promiscuous and they

contract AIDS or some other disease. Obviously, that is a chastisement of God.

And if they are a habitual smoker or Involved in unhealthy activities and they

get an illness obviously that is in the same category, but unfortunately we have.

We have dangerous folks out there like those in the word of faith movement who teach that

Anybody who is not healthy and wealthy.

Is.

Guilty of having a weak faith or guilty of unconfessed sin, but if you could pick up

from there on on.

How you see the differences between those two and and let me also just comment quickly.

Although I.

Believe that the word coincidence is overused by people.

I Think that there can be such a thing in regard to the false

Meaning that we often import into things that arise in our lives.

Let's say a woman has been longing to hear a

invitation for a date from a man in her church and She has been praying about this for

years and then all sudden she's sitting in a cafe Sipping coffee and the man

walks in the door.

So she's convinced that that is not just coincidence.

That is definitely.

God's.

Providence that she is going to be asked out on a date and eventually marry that man.

Now, obviously.

That's absurd that we should not immediately Import our own conclusions or meanings behind things

that happen in our lives.

But at the same time I believe that Everything that happens sparrows

falling to the ground.

And even as David said That every page in his book were written before one of them came to be

by God himself.

I believe that God is intimately Involved in everything that occurs in our lives, but perhaps you could

pick up with your own thoughts on that and then I want you to give your story about.

It's somewhat of a riches -to -rags story about you and Dan and the

trials that you have experienced.

Well.

Chris I'm so happy to be able to do this and the video that you're referring to It's on YouTube

and it's called skin on skin that you watch.

That was my story, right?

And I started off by saying that One of my favorite

stories afraid and his mom prayed with him and read him psalm 91

and Told him that the angels would watch over him.

He didn't need to be afraid to go to sleep.

And he came in and told his mom Angels are fine, but I need someone.

And my I was encouraged to make these videos not because I liked making videos.

I didn't know anything about them.

I'd never made one before.

But because I felt that people needed in this very Unsettled

and it see that someone who

had could encourage them.

And so All these things are triadic, you know.

There's not just the inner game meaning when

God Intersects with them when he is involved when it's you and the circumstance and him.

And in Malachi chapter 3 This is wonderful first that I just love this passage where

people are discouraged just like many people are right now and they are

Saying to one another it's futile to serve God.

In other words, it doesn't make any difference whether you serve him or not.

You know, everybody's in the same soup.

And I think a lot of Christians feel that way especially with this virus that you know We're all being mowed

down by it that in Malachi chapter 3 There are a group of people who are in a

similar circumstance where you couldn't really always clearly see the hand of God and

Interpret be able to interpret what he's a bunch of people got together and talk together.

It's exactly what's happening right now.

It's people are we're doing what they did in Malachi chapter 3 because we are

talking about the faithfulness.

It says in Malachi 3 16 those who feared the Lord Talked to one another

and the Lord listened and heard

Remembrance who feared the Lord and honored his name.

They will be mine this and I make up my treasure to

them just as and you'll

again see the distinction at

this very moment Chris

and we're talking about the faithfulness

right now and

recording our

faithful ever.

They said

the way to come

back from the battle.

You still got your on your armor and you still got your life.

Today do you have something to say

and so tell us about how you were at one point enjoying with your husband Dan.

A life of relative wealth and and you had in some senses a

carefree life at least in regard to finances and Then things that you are not expecting

just as we read in the scriptures that Everything that we intend to do

according to plans for the future.

We are to play pray in in the father's will.

And we don't know what could arise in our lives in the future.

But if you could tell us about this story a Somewhat sad story that turns into a

very encouraging story.

Well.

My husband and I have

been married

about his you know

Helping to raise

millions of

dollars for both at the

to be able to use our resources for

Dan with us

and we had a Beautiful, you

know full car

garage lots of money

in the 401k Dan had them 60 and we were on the

curve of fulfilling retirement

24 hours on December 1st 2011 Dan went from walking into a doctor's office

to being intubated unconscious and For months on end Wow.

He got a disease that he had once before and he actually contracted a third time.

He's kind of a medical marvel it's called Guillain -Barré syndrome and If you've ever

had a flu shot down in the fine print it it says that you Acknowledge that you can

get Guillain -Barré from from having a flu shot.

Well, then Guillain -Barré

was not from means that his body attacked its own

nerve cells and destroyed the outer line and

so Thank God we

had in the first six

weeks of this illness I slept in the ICU with him and and stayed there.

It's my privilege to be there because I didn't want him to wake up and not

You know as people are aware right now with the coronavirus and the uncertainty

bills go on and With the power of attorney I had.

Trailer got rid of the dog for a while.

And what was his.

What were his reactions to that?

Well, once he was able to understand, you know with that kind of neurological damage It was a while before we could

actually before we could actually communicate.

Oh, wow I mean we could communicate but where he could actually process things I mean

his his deficits, but he was proud of me because

for him medically We went

from being very very wealthy people with big bank accounts and lots of stuff

years later appeared

the baby

and I

I'm saying that not

because publicly, but There are people listening

today that are afraid of that kind of catastrophic loss because of an illness.

So I do know what it feels like, you know, and I do know what it

feels like, you know to to use only.

But I felt God's great presence and blessing through all of this you mentioned being

punished.

You know the word this yes.

It says in in in Hebrews it says that he loves and you should

have treated a friendship.

And you

did nothing to deserve didn't drink.

You didn't smoke.

You weren't drunk driving.

You weren't gambling.

You weren't using drugs.

This is something that has happened because the Lord is our our master and our supervisor.

He's going to bring good through this.

But meanwhile, I will stay with you.

I will not leave you.

And so I got to mirror for Dan.

I had the privilege of mirroring and so I

want

I want your listeners to know that.

You can face this kind of catastrophic loss.

But if you have the Lord this body of believers, I

mean people have been astonished at our church the Mountainside Church of Christ

helped in any way you can possibly think and the many Generous and kind

friends who

when

they saw

what are very grateful

groceries for

years my

condolences.

I did not know about your mom's passing.

Yes.

Yes.

I'm sorry.

Yes, definitely.

She was the believer and and

Hallelujah.

Yes, my mom died in my arms

in our living room in a hospital in our living room.

And I was able to sing to her amazing grace which became her favorite song and she kissed me on

the cheek and She went home to glory.

Well, we have those precious memories, you know, we have those precious because she was a

believer.

It was triumphant when the doctor came in to pronounce.

I told him he walked in the room.

I said you are looking at two triumphant people.

My mother's triumphant because she has gone home to her Lord that she served and I'm triumphant because I got to help her.

Yeah, that is a wonderful thing.

But mom back to my point is you can lose everything and there are people right now that are listening that

are afraid I'm gonna lose everything and I can say to you you might.

That's not what it's all about.

What it's all about is the maintenance of your faith through all these things in

first Peter 1 69.

If you don't mind me reading a scripture, is that okay?

Oh, of course.

We get over here to it and I laughingly say often when I'm taking the time to actually look at the

scripture that I would not have remained a Mormon for as long as I Had if I looked up scriptures that people

pointed to me and.

While you're looking it up, I'm going to give our email address again Chris Arnzen at gmail .com Chris Arnzen

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Hmm I was talking to people Christians of

the first century about trials and He says in this you greatly rejoice.

So now for a little while you may have to suffer grief in all kinds of trials.

These have come so that your faith of greater worth than gold which

perishes even though refined by fire May be proven genuine and may result in praise

glory and honor.

You haven't seen though.

You haven't seen him.

You love him, even though you don't see him now.

You believe in him and you're filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy because you're receiving

The goal of your faith the salvation of your.

I just say hallelujah.

Because we cannot be we cannot evaluate our experiences Chris on the basis of how they make us

feel.

I have to evaluate our experience.

The character of God who supervises and superintends every single trial.

Every time we say something fateful about him that I hear that

divine pin Scratching out our names and the dates on a scroll in heaven because we're talking about

him.

And doesn't that of totally?

Obliterate.

The.

Common notion of coincidence about happenstance when these are things that God intended as

your text that you read.

Mm -hmm.

Well, and in Hebrews it says the same thing if you don't mind me reading that one in Hebrews chapter 12.

It's it's even more specific.

I think in Hebrews chapter 12 verse 11.

And this is a verse that I shouldn't even have to look it up.

I I have memorized this and I say this to myself all the time.

No discipline.

It doesn't feel

good.

Later on however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who've been trained

by it.

Our trials are a training ground where we get to express our faith in God,

you know.

When I first became a Christian after leaving the Mormon Church I thought to myself where I would have loved to have lived in the first century where I

could you know.

Be in the Coliseum and give my life, but you actually wrote about

that sinners, right?

But I wanted I thought couldn't I do that.

But I get to do that every day.

I This training ground that God has put me in.

The more unpleasant the circumstance as long as I know as you pointed out that I haven't brought this on myself.

You know that I didn't as long as I

can be assured in my heart that I'm not being

Turned.

Harvest your crop when you plant it.

You don't harvest it while you're watering it it takes time and so it says later on it produced

by the way.

You and I have different prayer lives because I very often have prayed.

I thank God I was not born in the first century and fed to fed to lions in the arena and the

Coliseum.

Well, we all

have our own.

That's right.

And and it may be

we choose to Stick our neck out.

I'm sorry to

finish that

thought.

I was just gonna read a question from a listener, but go ahead.

BB in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania.

It says Chris when you were talking about the extreme differences of those believing either in coincidence

Or in being punished by God for everything that inflicts them.

You forgot to mention a key factor believed by many word -of -faith people that all ill

that comes upon Christians comes from the devil himself.

That's a very good point.

I did not mention that and that is very true that the word -of -faith teachers believe that any

kind of Just any kind of uncomfortable thing or tragedy

that occurs in your life Does come from Satan himself?

And they believe that God has nothing to do with it.

If you're a faithful Christian.

And that is I think a heresy although I believe that with God's

permission just as with the trials that Job went through Satan does

assault humans and Christians alike.

Meaning non -believers and Christians alike.

He does assault us.

But he could never do so without the permission of God, which sounds like a strange thing.

But it's a very biblical thing that we see in the book of Job.

Is that not right?

Well.

I would agree with that.

And going back to Hebrews the writer of Hebrews said you've forgotten that word of

Encouragement that addresses you as sons my son do not make light of the Lord's

discipline.

Nor lose heart when he rebukes you because the Lord disciplines those he loves and he

punishes everyone he accepts.

Amen.

Well, thank you very much BB for Sending in that question and please continue spreading the word about Iron Trump and

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Arnzen.

If you just tuned us in our guest today for the full two hours with a little less than 90 minutes to go is Dr.

Latene C Scott an award -winning veteran of the Christian publishing industry having written over two dozen

books and Having earned a PhD in biblical studies.

We are addressing mere coincidence versus God's providence and our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail

.com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com and Latane.

It sounds like much of what we are discussing is Reflected in a book of yours that I hope comes back

into print in the very near future crisis.

Cruciform of praise.

Crucible of praise.

Mm -hmm.

Well, actually you're not the first person who's mentioned that in the last few days.

That book was about some of the medical issues

before Dan had his medical.

Yes, I'm about to sneeze.

But yes, I'm.

I am working actively toward getting that back into print and getting it into people's hands.

Because.

Before Dan had his this major medical issue our daughter at age

eight and then three years later.

She was at a friend's house Swinging on a rope that broke and slammed the other side of

her head into a brick wall.

Wow.

In the midst of this my mother had a stroke.

The book was.

I wrote the book about how to Activate our I didn't have the language

then I do have the language now.

How to activate our neural pathways to form praise and To

get our minds to travel along these neural pathways of praise instead of discourage that

we sometimes.

Well, keep your eye out for it folks.

It may come back in a print.

In fact, I'm sure you could order a used copy on Amazon.

Crisis crucible of praise and that's by dr. Latane sees Scott.

And you could also See and hear dr. Scott on YouTube, and I'm so glad

that you're on YouTube because I was able to listen to some of your devotionals and watch some of

your devotionals on my television set rather than on my small phone.

So it was good that I could watch it on a much larger screen.

Oh.

Yes, you know I have I have another book which is in print which actually takes Many of the

principles that

in of your history the phases with

the teachings of dr John Oller

and I

was able to with God's help write this book that is extremely

good period of discouragement or doubt.

No book at all.

I don't think I have hardly anything personal in it about my own life.

It's based on the law and shows how.

This process not a process this sequence and in

everybody's life further

along in their life.

The promises became time the less able their bodies were.

Possibility.

It's one

thing I have learned that it's more useful than any other.

As

in Sarah's

age

when she was promised that she would give birth to an heir of Abraham and yet.

They they obviously doubted it and Sarah left.

Yes, exactly.

But see God's getting as I said more lavish and more specific in his promises and yet they're looking down at these old

bodies and thinking.

Yeah, right, you know, but it says that Abraham never wavered in unbelief

concerning the promises of God.

Very interesting.

Greek.

Kirby Greek says he didn't ever decide against.

And it really.

Many times when we are in crisis or other things we have to make a decision.

Now, why do you think he took the concubine into his bedroom if he did not waver in his faith on that.

He didn't he didn't waver in his faith that he was going to have an heir but at that time Sarah had not been

identified as the mother and.

So if they're actually says to him look this isn't working.

And implied we both believe the promise.

Let's help God out by getting this younger gal in here and then we can participate in the promises.

We saw how that worked.

I mean the struggles in the Middle East are still being played out over that one decision to take.

You know, right and in fact, I'm like go ahead.

I'm sorry.

No, you go.

I was just going to say that you brought up in one of your devotionals That when we are

faced with decisions during a crisis a trial and we immediately

gravitate towards the least Uncomfortable route

it is typically the the worst decision we could make.

You know, if there's anything this coronavirus quarantine has pointed out it is that

in a difficult situation, what is the most comfortable and Way

to avoid pain is not always the best thing.

I mean, I think many of us laid around for the first week in our sweatpants and pajamas and watch movies.

But at least the most comfortable and least painful thing Resulted in

hounds packed on our bodies and not feeling well, you know a lot of a lot of other things, you know.

So our American culture, especially Almost

deified the concept of escaping from pain or escaping from difficulty.

You know anything you can do to avoid pain or difficulty and and you know again going back to what God

said in the Bible No discipline seems pleasant at the time but painful but

later on.

So again, we can't evaluate The whiteness or the

goodness the essential whiteness of a situation by how it makes us feel.

You're going to feel bad when the Lord's disciplining you because it's supposed to feel bad.

It's supposed to be a contract.

To others look at that and say what can we learn through this?

What can we learn through this one of the great examples of that is when our daughter was in the

ICU after she had closed head concussion falling against the brick wall.

It happened on a Friday night and one of our son's friends was spending the night and We

ended up taking and during the whole time that

the doctor was trying to find out what was wrong with the West and why?

She was so yell The two boys these two eleven -year -old boys our son

Ryan and his friend Stephen are out in the waiting room Speculating on all the good things that God was doing through this and wasn't it

great that this happened while we were in town and not On vacation wasn't it cool that the ambulance got her right here to a doctor,

you know.

Wasn't it neat that that we're all together and we're not having to phone each other, you know information I mean

that's faithful.

That's what God loves.

It's what people in trial talk about what he's doing good truth when they Assume the

best of his character primary

Purpose their reactions.

Oh unity with and that brings we

have a.

Comment actually from CJ from Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York and

He says I think an ideal quote that perfectly matches what you are discussing today Is

a quote from the great hymn writer John Newton who penned amazing grace and that?

sentence is Everything is necessary that God sends our way

Nothing can be necessary that he withholds.

Amen, I agree with that.

100 % X.

Oh, oh, I love that.

I love that.

I love that and I'll tell you why.

This is an example of what I call redundancy when When Christians are together and they're thinking and God

puts similar thoughts in their heads.

I want to tell CJ and that's that's who this was, right?

Yes.

CJ from Lindenhurst.

CJ thank you for that comment because One of the things I want to share with listeners is the

truth that is in Matthew chapter 6.

You would well and it's very familiar to us, you know, don't worry about tomorrow God knows what you need

and all that what that means is That if I prayed yesterday that God would give me what

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car.

I am I mean provided for me and I just praise his

name.

Glorify his name for taking care of me because he threw out in my path Yesterday

what I needed.

Amen, I want to read that quote again because it's so good by John Newton the hymn writer of amazing

grace and others.

Everything is necessary that God sends our way.

Nothing can be necessary that he withholds.

That is That perfectly intertwines with Romans 828 that

all things work together for the good for those who love God And are the cold according to his

purpose.

And unfortunately some people some Christians perhaps with good intentions. I think

misuse That text and share that message of peace

with unbelievers and They cut the sentence in half.

They just say well things work together for good.

Well, that's not true.

Unless you are the cold of God and you don't you love God and are the cold according to his purpose.

Oh.

You know what?

That means is that we live in a different cause -and -effect system than the rest of the world.

That means that that we are in we are all in the same circumstance.

But God has promised to soon as they all work together Energize together every single

event in our lives for our good because we have been called and because we love him.

I used to tell my my kids when they were in school.

You can be sitting in a classroom and the same Thing happened every person in that classroom.

That you my child my son my daughter you and your Christian friends the same

Circumstance will hit you but the effect on you will be different because you are called and he's going to

energize things together for your Good.

Amen, even though it looks like the same thing.

It's happening to all of you.

You're at a different cause -and -effect system.

Amen.

Now, I believe that it is very appropriate and good to use that

Text in Romans 828 to evangelize the loss, but you have to use the whole quote in its

context the whole text in its context and You use that to urge them to repent and believe

upon Christ knowing that whatever it is They are facing even their past sins

that have perhaps brought their lives to complete ruin.

God will even use those things together for their good if they love God.

If they're and if they're called according to his purpose, yes, absolutely.

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Anonymous question for you now, dr. Scott.

I Am having difficulty understanding the true meaning of one of the Ten Commandments to honor thy

father and mother in light of the fact that I was horribly abused

by my ex -spouse and Therefore it is difficult to have my

children honor him Even though I know that they must to some degree.

But what does that actually entail?

Do we ask of our children to act as if their father had done nothing wrong?

Etc.

It is a difficult problem for me.

And it also is a difficult problem for me to forgive him Especially since he does not express

any admission of guilt nor a desire to be forgiven.

That hits really my own father

answer that question are

people who don't Either lie.

I'll tell

you

what

other people have said to me about

my father.

They acknowledge the fact that.

Because that person my father gave me life.

That was the avenue come about.

God is the giver of life.

Come together in sexual union to produce since he made

that decision.

We honor God by thanking him for anything.

We can

think

of it is it

is and I say something like I Do have a

few and I try to think about those good another thing and and

again.

This is from and it's such a personal question, but from the point of view of someone who no longer has

the opportunity or Ability to relate to my father because he

gives me an enormous and now is the day for

self

I put my father and other

because each of us has that

end each of us.

Can we

meet

and if I

choose and again the person is asking for advice I choose

To use that as the

importance

of one back from the flames if

you

we want them to having

been the child.

In this scenario

that it's

better.

I

guess

children can accept

things.

Amen, and.

Obviously.

The.

Command to honor my father and mother does not mean that we are to do something that God

Forbids and that is lying.

We're not to candy coat anything.

We're not to Act as if something Doesn't exist

when this person especially if they are an unrepentant individual by our

silence may continue to Seriously harm other people's lives.

So I think that Obviously with the with the counsel of one's own elders in their

church.

The way that they respond to these things.

Obviously, we're not to do evil to our enemies.

We're supposed to love and pray for our enemies.

So that would include a parent who has done horrible things to you And may be

continuing to do so or to a spouse or someone like that and and so

we are to pray for them we are to Show them love but showing love is also

telling them to repent and commanding them to repent and that is the best thing for them

to repent and Even though being told to repent is an unpleasant

thing a hurtful thing.

Being obedient to God and being Someone who loves another person who is looking out for the

their best Sometimes means doing things that hurt them.

Am I not right with him?

If we don't operate on

our

feeling he takes the Bronx

again.

It's Romans 828 if we love him and we're called according to his purpose and we obey his command

Then he becomes cursed.

There are certain

to help.

Yes. That's right.

Beth.

Dr. Beth Robinson, correct?

Yes.

You have to keep.

You have to be you have to be pro.

I didn't get the sense

that an unrepentant who

is.

You know

sexual

offense,

you know, one of the things that you brought up in one of your devotionals.

Was how the truths we are discussing today?

Some of them are brought up and seen clearly in the account of

Joseph in the Old Testament after His jealous brothers beat him strip

him and throw him into a pit and then sell him into slavery and then he later rises to

power in Egypt and his brothers are brought before him and they're terrified and

Joseph puts them at ease.

Or at least attempts to put them at ease by saying what you meant for evil

God meant for good.

Isn't this a clear picture?

God's intimate involvement even in the worst trials in our lives.

But he means them for a different purpose, it's not that he is uninvolved.

It's not that he was just watching these things happen from his throne in heaven as a as a

passive observer.

He has been always intimately involved in everything that we're going through and in his

Providence.

Brought them about to bring about a greater purpose.

There's a very interesting in the Psalms

Where it talks about when we

don't think about God's but Joseph was able to do what he

did that.

He wasn't that you meant

for evil.

God Found

it and the psalm says that the word of the Lord tested him.

Joseph sitting in a jail cell.

Repeatedly being thrown in a jail cell, you know more than once brought up and then

Joseph had to sit there with in his head with the promises of God that were manifested by these two dreams

that he had about What God

showed him.

And yet?

Nothing could be further than the truth than him sitting in a jail cell and the the word of the Lord was test.

Thanks one promises.

Thanks to contradiction to the promises.

It's exactly so glad you brought up Joseph because here's

the truth of this.

We are tested every day by the word.

Will we believe what God said or we can look at our own circumstances and say I'm going to assess

what's going on by what?

I see the word of the Lord

through that terrible circumstance.

You could do it just what you meant for evil.

What you intended doesn't make any difference because God's sovereign purpose was so Active that no matter what you

meant sooner gay L move together

ground together, you know.

You gather the circumstances to bring good not only for the individuals

directly in the situation.

But for generations of people afterwards.

And of course the perfect example of that truth is.

The.

Murder of Jesus Christ.

He did say that no one takes his life, but he lays it down willingly.

But at the same time God used to fulfill his prophesied and ordained

Act against his own son Which he always had intended to be the

sole hope for the salvation of his people.

He used the sinful and satanic and wicked acts of men

to bring that about even when Judas Betrayed

him.

The scriptures tell us that a devil entered him and We have the the

torture of the perfect spotless lamb the only sinless man on

The face of the earth who ever lived and ever will live.

Not only being tortured verbally by those saying cruel and wicked

things to him, but physically being whipped and beaten and spat upon and

then Dying one of the most excruciating deaths Imaginable

to mankind on the cross and on top of that even worse than his physical fate

Receiving upon himself the wrath from the father that we as sinners deserve that he did

not deserve deserve and I love the phrase the great exchange because

Our sins were imputed to him and his righteousness has been imputed to

us in our salvation.

But that is a perfect example, I think of an ordained act of God that involved the

most unjust and satanic and evil act and in all history

that was used for the benefit the the eternal benefit of countless

Men and women and children who turned to him in faith.

I'm reminded of what Stonewall Jackson once told, you know, let us not

big different as

you were speaking I thought you

know the difference between

Endless realm Jesus

and he knew what he was

going to happen.

He knew this was going to end in death.

He knew this was going to be it, you know

humiliation as you back up on a pole.

Literally, I'm so grateful to him

that while I am sitting here percolating in this could happen and that could happen.

You know in my fears He knew the route it was good.

He said, you know, if there's another way, let's talk about it.

But he knew the route it was going to take and he entered going.

But the worst really other

faithful to God's will.

It all comes if you trust him.

If you believe he is who he says he is.

And you can do even what Jesus did throw yourself on his mercy.

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John and banger main who has a very interesting question.

He said does not.

Viewing the trials we go through as solely being a

Let me I'm trying to have to enlarge the email here, I'm sorry, the font is very small.

Here we go.

That the source is only Satan himself and God has nothing to do with it.

Does that not?

Make it appear as if Satan is more powerful Than God at least during

those times and that Satan's will Trump's gods if we remove God completely from these

trials and circumstances, I agree with that statement I don't know.

How do you respond to that?

Okay, I.

Do too.

And Chris you had mentioned earlier that

Permission.

Great.

Thank you.

John and banger main and we have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, New York.

Who has something similar to say but from the other end of the spectrum?

Those who say that the trials that come into our lives have nothing to do with God, but are a pure

happenstance or coincidence.

Don't they import? meaninglessness into these trials that we face rather than

Trials that have been designed lovingly by a God who truly cares for us who knows that these

things will bring about The best in us and be the best for us.

I.

Am I like what he said and it occurred to me that.

Maybe another way maybe not better.

But another way.

If he is,

you know, if he's the one that knows every hair on our heads if he's the one who knows the data bus thing.

If he knows us inside it out and out as David said.

If there's nothing in us hidden from him.

Then why would such a loving father not in

such a way to help us grow get the maximum benefit?

I often say that God is a very Economical God.

He does exactly what is needed in any situation.

Turn us to him.

He's not willing that any should care

not treat each of

us our neighbor.

He gave us individual fingerprints.

He'll give yeah and.

The listener touched on something that This has brought me the greatest comfort

through the worst of my trials in my own life is knowing that there is a purpose and the listener was talking

about.

If we say these things come by coincidence or happenstance and Not from the very hand of God.

They are meaningless.

There's you know, if the loved one dies, it is absolutely has no purpose has no meaning and

Therefore it that brings about much greater misery, I think.

Sometimes people trying to defend God and defend his

character in Ignorance in a way that doesn't reflect the truths of the scripture.

They wind up doing more harm to the integrity of God than doing him any service

because they really diminish his omniscience his omnipotence and.

It.

Really is not a biblical understanding as As I mentioned earlier on in the program.

It is more of a deist understanding of who God is.

Well, I want to make sure before I go to any more listener questions that you at least have four or five minutes to

distill and To summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today before

we go off the air.

Yes, exactly.

Okay, I'm sorry.

The most important thing I've learned

is and that's where

the book of James says consider it all joy and

trials.

The Greek word is multicolored.

Trials are multicolored.

Chris what you go through is colored differently than my my trial my trial of

20 years ago is in each of

these contradictions to be privileged

of rising up.

Showing our joy and our confidence in the Lord.

That we know we're being treated as sons and daughters.

We know that he is doing this only for our good.

We know that he doesn't have it in his nature.

Harm us to try to hurt us if we are called and if we love him.

So I want everyone listening to hear in my voice in my heart.

How greatly I pray how much I glorify his name.

How grateful I am to him that he has honored me.

Yes, amen.

And one thing that we have time to bring up and I know that you're Open to discussing this

briefly since we only have a little bit of time.

But you could be since I have interviewed you on this very subject before bar you are.

You were almost On a human side of the spectrum, obviously.

God did not intend this before the foundation of the world.

But you were almost a number that could have been listed amongst the casualties of murdered

children in the womb.

Because your mom had considered having an abortion when she was pregnant with you.

I.

I.

Mentioned that my father was was not a good man.

I mean he had some good characteristics that he He was not a good man and

His actions were not good.

Let's just put it that way my mother thousand over a thousand miles away from home 19

18 years old when or 19 years old when she became if she

told me one time that if any abortion had been available to her She would

have in that household.

She didn't want to abort.

She wouldn't have wanted to abort me to abort me

because

protected me in that and and I I see in that the depth

within.

But the truth in Hebrews is to die in

the judgment.

This is the only life I have.

God has been gracious enough to

allow me to live.

He's given me Privileges.

Yes, so we.

Thank God that That he intervened in that circumstance and your mother

Had a change of heart and that you have blessed the body of Christ through your gifts that he has given

you.

And I am just so thrilled that I have had the privilege of knowing you a friend

since as a friend since the 1990s and Trust that friendship will continue into the future

as long as we have breath in our lungs and Let's see here

we have An anonymous listener who asks one thing

that I cannot find comfort in is Fearing the eternal state of

those whom I love who have passed without knowing Christ and I continue

to have terror and anxiety over my children right now Because none of them are

born -again believers in Christ.

How do I overcome?

This sadness and

this fear when they

go before him.

He makes the right

decision He knows the insides and the outside.

If exceptions are going to be made they have to.

I rest

in him.

Some things we can't do anything

about that

didn't keep myself from going

crazy because this person is describing, you know, what they.

Great sorrow.

Amen.

And that great

Text from the scriptures shall not the judge of all the earth do right do right?

Yes shall not the judges.

Yes, Abraham Abraham to God.

And Abraham said that to God.

He was reminding God that he knew that.

That is something that comforts me.

Whenever I have faced or thought of similar circumstances and Also, we

have to remember Unless we are physically present with

someone when they die We we do not know with omniscience that that

person did not come to faith in Christ during their last moments.

Had it not been recorded in Scripture and Had the loved ones of one of those

thieves on the cross if he had family members that were gathered nearby.

But if they had not been nearby nor later read what happened there

they would have assumed if they had faith of any kind that that person was in hell and That person

not long before he took his last breath Was saved by Christ himself.

So when when people have told me with certainty that their father is in hell

That their mother's in hell that their children who have died prematurely are in hell that kind of thing

I asked them were you with them and they say no and I say well don't completely Rule out

the fact that if you have evangelized them and if you know that they have heard the gospel You can't rule out what

has might have occurred moments before they they left this earth.

I mean that it's not I'm not saying that we should have a Overly emphasized trust in that

kind of a thing, but it's still a ray of hope.

No one knows what goes on underneath the closed eyelids of the dying person.

Amen one knows.

Amen.

Well, thank you so much.

Dr Latane C Scott and if anybody wants to find out more about her her writings and her other

activities go to latane .com LATAYNE .com and you could also find her

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Scott LATAYNE C Scott and you can find her videos of

devotionals that she has Created and I look forward to your return to our program Latayne.

And I want everybody to remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you

are a sinner.