October 29, 2018 with Lowell Ivey on “From Prison to Pardoned: How a White Supremacist Gang Member in Prison Discovered & Found True Freedom in Christ Jesus”

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I am really excited about today's program. We are going to be involving today some topics that we have never addressed today, that we've never addressed before, I should say, on the program that is involved with white supremacy and those involved in that ideology.

To my knowledge, I don't think that we've ever had a whole two-hour program that is largely dedicated to that issue. Of course, we're not entirely going to be talking about that alone, but our guest today is Lowell Ivey.

He is the pastor of Reformation Presbyterian Church in Virginia Beach, Virginia, which is a congregation within the Orthodox Presbyterian Church denomination. It is a mission work of the Presbytery of the Southeast, and he is going to be addressing from prison to pardoned how a white supremacist gang member in prison discovered and found true freedom in Christ Jesus.

And we're also going to be announcing the upcoming conference at Knox Presbyterian Church in Mechanicsville, Virginia, where Lowell Ivey is one of three speakers. But it is my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Trip and Zion Radio, Lowell Ivey.

Well, thank you. Thank you so much for the invitation. Oh, the blessing is.

Entirely mine, brother. And by the way, a mutual friend of ours, Pastor Bill Shishko, who is actually retired from the pastorate and is now a domestic missionary with Reformation Metro New York, he hosts the program, A Visit to the Pastor's Study, on WLIE Radio on Long Island, but it's also live-streamed globally.

Our mutual friend Bill Shishko not only interviewed my guest, Lowell Ivey, very recently on his program, A Visit to the Pastor's Study, but he was also formerly one of Lowell's professors. Was that at Greenville Presbyterian.

Theological Seminary in South Carolina? That's right. He was my pastoral... Yes, Bill.

Shishko is one of my dearest friends. I've known him since the 1980s, right very close to after I got saved. He was one of my first friends that I developed a friendship with after becoming born again, and we have remained steadfast friends ever since.

He has been an incredible encouragement and blessing to me personally through thick and thin, through some very dark trials in my life, and through times of celebration and rejoicing as well. And by the way, if anybody wants to hear later on, of course I want you to continue listening to us live right now, but later on if you want to listen to Bill Shishko's interview with Lowell Ivey, you can go to visitthepastor'sstudy .org.

That's visitthepastor'sstudy .org. That is the website for a visit to the Pastor's Study, the radio program of Bill Shishko. Well, first of all, before we get into your fascinating testimony, tell our listeners about Reformation.

Presbyterian Church in Virginia Beach, Virginia. Well, I appreciate that by grace alone and... Praise God. And tell us a little bit about the Orthodox Presbyterian denomination itself. Well, the OPC in 1936, in many ways from...

Amen.

And yeah, the fundamentalist modernist controversy was also what led to, believe it or not, the planting or the forming of a Christian alcohol rehabilitation ministry in Boone, North Carolina, where I enrolled a number of years ago because I had tragically fallen back into the sin of habitual drunkenness.

And the Hebron Colony Ministries of Boone, North Carolina, is the oldest still-running ministry dedicated to delivering men from drug and alcohol addiction still in existence. It was started shortly after World War Two, and it was started because the man who began the ministry was a pastor in the mainline Presbyterian denomination, and he could not tolerate the liberalism anymore.

And when his congregation would not follow him out of the United Presbyterian Church, the main liberal body, the body that became a liberal and apostate in many circumstances, he packed up and he moved to North Carolina, and he was seeing a great number of American GIs return home addicted to alcohol.

And so he had a burden to start this ministry, and it began. And thanks be to God, I was also delivered from that addiction. And I take every opportunity that I can to sing the praises of Hebron Colony Ministries because of the fact that the Lord used that ministry, perhaps even to save my life, if I had continued on that road.

I have no idea where I would have wound up. But if anybody wants any more information about Hebron Colony Ministries, you can go to their website. And they are, as I said, in Boone, North Carolina. And the website is HebronColony .org.

HebronColony .org. H-E-B as in boy, R-O-N, Colony .org. Also, before we get into Lowell's testimony, I want to make sure you all know about a conference where Lowell is speaking on November 3rd. It's coming up right around the corner here, November 3rd, which is a Saturday.

And it's this coming Saturday. He is going to be speaking at Knox Reform Presbyterian Church in Mechanicsville, Virginia. And he is going to be joined by Jeff Downs, who is the new pastor at Knox Reform Presbyterian Church.

He's going to be officially installed there very soon, if it hasn't happened already. I knew that it was right around the corner the last time I spoke with Jeff. It will be installed Friday.

Night. Okay, Friday night, great. And I'll be preaching for that installation. He's invited me to preach for him. Yes, Jeff is going to be speaking on.

From Drugs to Delivered. And Fred Sloan, who many of you may have heard last Friday, is going to be speaking on Why is Prison Ministry Necessary? He was our guest just this past Friday on the 26th of October.

And Lowell Ivey, our guest right now, is speaking on From Prison to Pardoned. And by the way, Jeff Downs, his name may sound familiar to many of our listeners who also love the ministry of Dr. James R. White of Alpha and Omega Ministries, because Jeff has been a frequent contributor to the blog of Alpha and Omega Ministries for quite a number of years.

That's how I first actually became familiar with Jeff, is through Alpha and Omega Ministries. But if anybody wants more information on the conference that is being held at Knox Reformed Presbyterian Church this Saturday, you can go to KnoxReformedPres .org, that's K-N-O-XReformedP-R-E-S .org, or you can call 804 -779 -7608, 804 -779 -7608 for more details.

That's Saturday, November 3rd from 9 a .m. to 1130 a .m. I'm going to also give our listeners our email address if you would like to join us on the air with a question of your own for Lowell Ivey. Our email address is ChrisArnzen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N-Z-E-N at gmail .com.

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Prison, Addiction, and the Road to Incarceration

Well Lowell, I want to hear something about before circumstances tragically arose in your life that sent you to prison but were actually used by God. If ever Romans 828 has been vividly and tangibly proven in someone's life, it's in yours because your prison experience is actually what led to your having been given eternal life in Christ, which we can all rejoice over.

But before you went to prison, tell us something about your upbringing, what kind of religious atmosphere, if any, you were raised in, and then tell us about those tragic events that led you to be.

Incarcerated. Well, the Romans 828 passage is certainly one that's very impressive. It began, she told me that the bed she was going to cut me up in pieces and flush me down the toilet. Wow. I was three years old.

Boy, of course, I don't remember that. My adoptive parents imagined the impression. Three days at that point asked for me to have a mother and a father. I was in the military. I was stationed in different places, went from Virginia to Fort Meade, Maryland.

He was in military intelligence. And Germany, various different things, vandalism, theft, all kinds of stuff, drug use. And they told my dad that he basically had two options, to send me back to the States or to the German authorities.

And so my dad sent me back to the States. I went to live with my pop again. Wow, you wouldn't think from that point, if somebody didn't know.

Your story already, that that would have been the beginning of the Downsend Hill slide. Right. So tell us about that beginning. Well, I wanted to follow my.

Dad's military intelligence. I ended up joining the infantry training in Fort Benning, Georgia. And when I graduated basic training and what they call AIT, advanced individual training as an infantryman, I was assigned to, I was a light infantry soldier in the 25th Infantry Division.

And my job was to be a soldier called the M249 SAW. And in terms of my life as a soldier, I eventually was personal life. I'm very thankful to the Lord for them. But the only time that I ever heard the name Jesus was at mealtimes when we would pray, pray it in Jesus' name, in my home.

And so I think even to this very day, I think if right now you hear me saying the things that I'm saying, I'm sure they would think because they would, but no instruction. There was no visible fruit in terms of a real genuine vibe.

Some guys, we did LSD, acid, and another soldier from me and he left his wallet. I went to go find him. Couldn't find him. He disappeared into another. I took the wallet back with me and and then a friend of mine came and he started talking about the kinds of things that we could do with this man's wallet.

We could take his ID card, credit union account, and we could use his deferred payment plan program with that same ID card. And all of these things were being presented to me and it sounded, because I didn't have that rootedness in the gospel of Jesus Christ, I didn't have any fear of God whatsoever.

Three years in Leavenworth. I'm guilty. I was going to do at least three years in Leavenworth. I'm like a man. Well you, obviously from your testimony that was a.

Part of, or should I say will be a part of, your conference this Saturday, you entered into a white supremacist gang and tell us about how that happened because I think that there are likely various reasons why anyone would join a gang and even particularly a white supremacist gang.

Sometimes it's because people actually believe in the ideology of white supremacy. They may actually have been convinced of the evils of neo-nazism and white supremacism and that kind of thing. There are others that just want to protect their own lives.

They think that being surrounded by people like that is going to be something that guarantees or at least more likely preserves that person's safety and life if they are part of a gang like that. And there are, of course, there are posers, wannabes, who for some reason like to dress and act like a particular group, whether it's white supremacists, whether it's mafia wise guys, and they're not really entrenched in any kind of ideology.

They are just, they like the image that it puts off. They like people to think that they're involved in that kind of activity more deeply than the reality would present. So tell us about your own personal entrance into this.

Well, my parents were not white.

My mother was neither one of them. I had a lot of money and I ended up living alone. And then I ended up meeting a couple of guys that seemed to be very interesting to me. They had a lot of money and I knew they were doing something big, but I didn't know what it was that they were doing.

And it was intriguing to me and I wanted to get involved in what they were doing. And eventually I was able to find out that these guys were hitting me because of their robberies. And so they tested me out, had me do a robbery with his handgun.

And then the police for a little while, they didn't catch us. The next thing they did was do something illegal. And so even, I think both of these guys probably had some sort of white supremacy when they were in prison.

But even then I wasn't, in any way, if you've ever read, wasn't really, and that's what it was. I wasn't hooked on drugs, but I wasn't that I needed the money coming from the army and it was difficult for me to find work.

The main thing was, and I had just seen a movie called Point Break, you know, if you're familiar with that movie. And we used to assume that any drug can give and demanding money from them. And then in Texas, I and one of the other two guys were robbing a Pizza Hut restaurant.

The place would close, we would be eating something there. And that was the moment. We demanded the money from the, and we thought we had gotten away with walking out. Again, still, they'd hang out together.

Actually, they segregated into white, black, Hispanic. I won't go too much into that unless you want me to. But there's a person I had to decide to survive. Really, the only people I began to hang out with, they called it the wood guys, began to form a bond more and more.

They were putting things into my hand to read literature and more involved literature.

White Supremacist Gang Life and the Prison Testimony

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Welcome back. This is Chris Arnson. If you just tuned us in, our guest today is Lowell Ivey. He is speaking about his testimony about being a former white supremacist in a prison gang who came to embrace Jesus Christ as his Lord God and Savior and deliver him from that hateful and damning and evil ideology.

And is now a pastor, the pastor of Reformation Presbyterian Church in Virginia Beach, Virginia, an Orthodox Presbyterian congregation which is a mission work of the Presbytery of the Southeast. And we are addressing from prison to pardoned how a white supremacist gang member in prison discovered and found true freedom in Jesus Christ.

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And before the break, Pastor Lowell, you had reached the point where you actually became convinced of white supremacist ideology. You were not just a poser or in it merely because of the protection that you might receive being a member of a gang like this in a prison that also included violent black and hispanic inmates.

So tell us more about the ideology that you truly came to embrace.

In regard to white supremacy. Well, it was a gradual by the ideological aspects of what I was hearing. And as I was in the free world, I was seeing the false narrative that was in the minority and the only people that care about by your side when things go down.

There were things that were happening in the prison that at least on the surface seem to confirm that for me. And so, so the little bubble that I was living in firm, what I was think more and more in my thinking was a need for whites and blacks to be separated.

I began to believe in theories, you know, even with recent shooting in a synagogue. Yes, the Tree of Life Synagogue.

In Squirrel Hill, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. And in fact, just before I forget, this Wednesday, we have two Jewish believers on my program, God willing, two Jewish believers who are also theologically reformed.

Stephen Atkinson, I'm sorry, let me take that back, Stephen Atkinson is actually a Gentile believer, but he is the director of the North American Division for Christian Witness to Israel. He is a Gentile believer, but the other guest who will be on with him, Mitch Tepper is a Jewish believer.

And he is the missionary, the recently appointed missionary for the North American Division of Christian Witness to Israel, a theologically reformed ministry, which is an outreach to the Jews. And they providentially, back in March of this year, they had already begun reaching out to that very congregation, the Tree of Life Synagogue in Squirrel Hill, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

They had begun reaching out to evangelize and love the members of this Jewish synagogue, and they are going to be attending the memorial service there, and they are going to be on the program, God willing, as I said, this Wednesday.

Sorry to interrupt you, but I didn't want to forget that key element of the connection between today's program and that horrific event that just.

Occurred, I believe it was on Saturday. Not at all, thank you so much, and I, as well, television, the more and more that I became interested in racial conspiracy theories, and so I began to see Hispanics and any of my people quickly also, so I needed to do this kind of thinking.

I'm a racist. I was in a prison confinement for my gang membership, for trying to stab, and I praise the Lord that I wasn't called administrative from 1997 until 2007.

Now, what prevented you from actually seriously injuring or murdering this other inmate?

Going on administration, right next to me, and he had already shouted to me a few days before that, I know you have a shank, and that's okay, and when the door is homemade knife. I didn't have one. I didn't have a shank.

It was somebody in the same gang as me, who was a trustee, who was able to go in and out of the... He passed that on to me, and when my neighbor, my next-door neighbor, was out, and so just waiting on him to come back out, I saw his reflection in the tinted window there, and I could see his below me, so I waited for him to come up, and when he came up, I went after him.

He was being escorted, stood in between us, and then he looked down and saw that I had a shank, and the guard stepped out of the way. He didn't like it, but that gave the other guy time to get away. At one point, he jumped over the rail.

I jumped over the rail as well. He heard himself jump, but at that time, shot gas, and got the thing, and I was taken from there, and I didn't get out for 10 years.

Wow, and we do have a listener in Bangor, Maine. John in Bangor, Maine wants to know, was the gang that your guest, Pastor Lowell Ivey, involved in the Aryan Brotherhood?

Right. I don't want to mention any particular...

Yeah, that's quite all right.

If that's okay.

Sure, that is quite all right. It is interesting that he brought... Of course, I'm not connecting this with you, but it's interesting that he brought up the Aryan Brotherhood. I saw a documentary on that particular prison gang, which is considered the most violent prison gang in our nation because they actually harm and assassinate people outside the walls of prison.

But one thing that was interesting is that even though it may have begun in its origins as a truly ideologically white supremacist gang, it really became a cover just to recruit white inmates because they were really about the sale of drugs, and there were people even in leadership in the Aryan Brotherhood that were not, quote, quote, pure white Aryans.

In fact, one was half Native American who is now under protection for his life because he exposed other gang members in the Aryan Brotherhood. So they are not truly in allegiance to their so-called white Aryan purity.

They're really about money.

It's absolutely true.

Well, as far as you being confined, that's a long confinement, a decade in solitary.

Confinement. Tell us about that. The only way out, obviously, is pretty dangerous. He told me of my need of anything good. There was a point at which, on one hand, I knew that I wanted to follow Jesus, but my identity was this racial mindset.

That's who I thought that I was. I didn't want to let go of that. I hated Christians.

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Now, that's a very key element. I don't want you to just quickly slide over that, because a lot of white supremacist groups will claim publicly and emphatically that we are here to preserve our white Aryan Christian heritage and people.

They'll very often throw around the word Christian. In fact, there is an infamous church that is connected with the Aryan nations, that the Church of Jesus Christ Christian, which is a hub of racist activity.

I don't know if it still is, but it was at one time a central headquarters. It's interesting that you say you hated Christians, because unlike that particular group that throws around the word Christian, there are white supremacists who are atheists.

For instance, Tom Metzger, very famous white supremacist, skinhead leader, former Klansman, and founder of the white Aryan resistance, also known as war. He is an atheist. He views Christianity as you do, or I'm sure I meant to say as you did, as weak.

As Hitler himself viewed Christianity, people make this ridiculous connection between Hitler and Christianity. He was no Christian at all. He was involved in the occult, and he viewed Christianity as nothing more than an impotent offshoot of Judaism that had no power to it at all.

I'm sorry for interrupting you, but if you could please explain your white supremacy in light of the fact that you hated.

Christians. Yeah, it's interesting you mention that, because of the Israelitism movement, or the recognize who you are. What I mean by that is I hated those kinds. On one hand, I was beginning in all of it, and I can't follow Jesus Christ.

There's no way that I can follow Jesus Christ, because what it means is I'm going to have to change, and I can't make that change. I am utterly unable to do it. I just went ahead. I knew in that moment that I was right, and that I deserved to get it, and that there was nothing I could do.

I was going, and in that moment, I shined the light of the glorious gospel of Jesus Christ into my heart. I think he did everything. He changed my will. He gave me a desire to follow Jesus. I fell on my knees in my prison cell, and I pleaded with the Lord to make me a new creature.

I have brothers and sisters of different races, different races than me, because I had the same spirit. The Lord was, from that point, many kinds of sin, but that was the big issue that he dealt with me with, and it helped him through the occult.

Amen, and we have to go to our midway break right now.

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Which is a highlight. Tons of stuff going on. Tons of great speakers. And no matter where you are in the building, you will hear Chris Arnzen's laugh. And that's worth the price of admission alone. If you would like to join Phil, me, Chris, and a cavalcade of great preachers, so it should be a cavalcade of great preachers, and me, g3conference .com, g3conference .com.

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