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Interview With Les Lanphere and the Calvinist Film

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To strivingforeternity .org. All right, well welcome back to the wrap report and what we want to do is discuss the topic of worship. I know, I just mentioned the evil W word that we shouldn't mention in church.

Oh no! Well, I think by the end of this podcast you're going to realize that worship is a whole lot more than about music styles that you have in church. And so I would like to welcome Les Lansphere who is putting this movie together.

Les, welcome to the wrap report. Thank you for having me, Andrew. This is awesome. Well, you and I have kind of been passing one another in a sense for a couple years now. Never really talked before this and we spoke for like an hour or so yesterday which was just great.

You know, the thing I picked up is, I don't know if you get this experience with different people, but it was just a kindred spirit on a lot of things as we talked. Even though you and I kind of disagree on some things, you're Presbyterian, right?

I am. So, okay, there's still a.

Chance for you to repent. Oh wait. I became a Presbyterian about two years.

Ago, so I already repented. Yeah, you left the right, right? You were a Baptist, right?

Yeah, I was a reformed Baptist, like a 1689 Federalist kind of.

Reformed Baptist. So, that would be deforming, I think, not reforming. Sure. Agree to disagree. Hey, maybe by the end of this podcast I may, nah, we're not gonna.

Go. That'll be the next movie. Yeah, it won't actually be the next movie. Don't.

Worry, guys. Yeah, I know that if I ever become a Presbyterian, Colleen Sharp from the Theology Gals would probably have a.

Party. Oh yeah, I'll come to that party. But you know, there's a thing, I mean, the.

Thing I appreciate is you and I disagree on some things, but just a kindred spirit when it comes to the truth, comes to scripture, and that was the thing that really got me excited about this movie that you're putting on.

But before we get to that, let's talk about some of the other things you've already done. Okay. You know, you've gotten, you started a previous movie, and clearly from the previous movie, we know you try to avoid controversial issues, right?

Your previous movie was called Calvinist. Yeah. So let's talk about that film first. Okay. I had said to you off-air, the name Calvinist probably deterred many people because right out of the gate, many of the people who don't like Calvinism will immediately reject it.

And yet, I think if people didn't see the name Calvinist, they would see the truth of Calvinism halfway through that film.

Before you really start getting into using the labels. Yeah. Yeah. So there's a couple of ways I could have gone about it. But so I have, I've worked in, I've been a web designer and online marketing and in the film industry and stuff like that.

And I'm also just in my graphic design in general, I'm a very sort of, I'm not subtle in the ways that I, that I express things. And that's just, it's just kind of my style. So I know how to get people's attention, at least in the way that I put things out there.

And so I could have made a movie sort of like named something about, you know, the truth about Christianity, kind of thing like that. But that name Calvinist is so provocative. I knew at the very least, people would would look, look at it, check out the website, whatever, for the sake of the spectacle of the whole thing.

Like what, what in the world, you know, is this thing. And then on top of that, I have, you know, I have a podcast in a, you know, I have sort of a, my, my finger on the pulse of a specific kind of.

Generation of, well, let's talk about that. I mean, you have podcasts, you have a large Facebook group. You know, you know, as a way of introducing yourself to some of my audience, because maybe folks don't know much about you.

So yeah, yeah, we should talk about it.

Okay, so about five years ago, my friend Tanner and I, we, we had, so we were kind of young, restless, reformed. We were products of Mark Driscoll, and John Piper, and, you know, all these guys. And we knew that there was a lot of other people who sort of had this collective experience of discovering reform theology, through these guys and through these ministries.

And, and it just seemed like there was this, this sort of awakening across America with young people, discovering the doctrines of grace. And so we decided that we, you know, we're lay people, we just want to have fun.

So we sat down, and we, you know, threw a podcast out there. And then we made a fan club for it. So the podcast is called the reformed podcast. And then we made a fan club called the reformed pub, a fan club might not be the right word, but you know, a place where if you listen to the show, you can hang out.

And then the Facebook group took on a life of its own. Something about that name reformed pub, I think just really struck a nerve with people like a relaxed, laid back environment to talk about theology.

And, and it exploded. And that helped get the podcast going. So, you know, it's, it's a successful podcast in a very large Facebook group. But that kind of gives me this insight into this generation that I normally wouldn't have had, because it's my group.

And you know, if I ask a question in there, people sort of know who I am. So they respond to me. And over the years, I've kind of really seen this common thread in people's experience in my, in my age group.

So, so that led me to one day, I was unemployed and doing freelance work. And I decided I would, you know, I threw together this little trailer with some voiceovers from John Piper and R .C. Sproul and some footage that I found on the internet.

And then, you know, at the end, it like the title said Calvinist, you know, coming out in 2017, or whatever. And then people freaked out and shared it all over the place. And it became this big thing, immediately.

And I was like, Oh, no, I should actually do this. And so I put up a Kickstarter, I asked for $35 ,000, you know, a few months to be able to travel around and interview some people. And it got funded in three days.

And then I got I ended up with 82 ,000 by the end of the month long campaign. So you're independently wealthy now. It is amazing how fast that money goes. I will.

So you're not gonna be going out buying a new private jet. You obviously don't have this figured out yet.

Yeah, what, what, why would you. If I had the money for a private jet, I definitely would not buy a private jet.

Well, I would blows me away is that there's people who are preying on poor people feel that can't rub two pennies together. Oh, yeah. And they're like, I need 50 some million dollars for a private jet so I could serve God.

And it's like, and people give it like, obviously, the guy has enough money. He doesn't need yours. That's disgusting. Yeah.

So I took I took actual airlines to all over the country and I got to interview all of my heroes of the faith and it was such an amazing experience. And so I put together this book. But so that's another reason it's called Calvinist is because it's sort of the experience of a generation of people who discovered what it means to be a Calvinist and they themselves embrace that term.

So it was like, it was like, I want to tell your story. And then the one of the benefits of that is these people who are talking about these crazy ideas with their friends and family, and their friends and family think they're nuts.

They can sit down with them and say, Hey, just watch this movie. And it gives a biblical defense. And it gives, you know, sort of the experience too. So they can at least watch it by the end of it and say, Okay, I see where you're coming from.

It's you know, you're not you're not completely nuts.

So I think I think you're saying that we could either blame or credit you if the young restless and reformed is that. That's, that's what I'm hearing.

The blame is, is, is completely on Mark Driscoll.

Hey, listen, but you know, here's the thing that was really good in the film on on Calvinist is it wasn't, I seen a couple of films where they're trying to promote Calvinism. And a lot of times it's, it's like, you know, the bat over the head type of style.

Yeah, that was not your film. The thing actually, that caught me was, there's a whole segment on describing what people refer to as the cage stage Calvinist, and why you shouldn't be that. And why you should, you should be careful to avoid being in a cage stage.

What is cage stage? Why is why was that so important to put into the film?

So I first heard the term from James White, who I got to interview in the movie. And then every time I would ask any interviewer about who coined that phrase, they would always give the credit to someone else, like R .C. Sproul or James White or whatever.

But so I don't know exactly where it came from. But the way James White describes it is the cage stage is when you first become a Calvinist, which is this dramatic for a lot of people, it's this dramatic change in your entire foundation for your theology, like the sovereignty of God is like, it's you just you, you realize you misunderstood the way God works and the way man works and the way salvation works.

And so you become really, really zealous about explaining these things to other people, because you want them to realize these beautiful doctrines. And so James White says you would be better served if you were put in a cage for a couple years, until you calm down.

So you don't hurt yourself and you don't hurt other people. Because we do, we do hurt ourselves and we do hurt other people. It's it is a phenomenon that when you first become a Calvinist, almost everyone starts hurting other people in their church and people that don't understand yet.

Well, I think it's more than just the Calvinism issue. I think anytime you get somebody who was either raised believing one thing, and a light bulb goes off, or that they're can they're thoroughly convinced of it, of a different view.

I mean, look, there's there's folks who are, we could say cage stage on the Armenian side, I actually just got an email from a guy in Australia that used to listen to Matt Slick and I when we used to do a show together.

And he literally said in the email, he was a militant Armenian. He hated Calvinism. He hated anyone that was a Calvinist thought they weren't safe. He would listen to Matt and I the way that we would describe what we believe.

And he realized as he dig into scripture, he's like, I hate it. But that Slick guy is right. And so he's like, he goes, his question to me, and I'm gonna actually I'll ask it to you. I wasn't this was one of the questions I was gonna ask you.

But it goes along with this. His question to me was, he's in a church. He preaches at another church, and he's in the leadership of his church. And he was like, Do I have to tell these two churches where I speak regularly, one where I serve as in leadership, that I've become a Calvinist?

Do I have to kind of come out of the closet? Because he said they would be very much against it. And my first question was, do they properly understand it? Right? And they don't. So what would be your advice to a guy like that?

He's, he's, he's in a very anti Calvinistic area. There are no reformed churches in his area. Should he leave? Should he out himself? Yeah, your advice be?

Well, I always like to preface stuff with this, like that, or with the fact that I am completely a person and I have no kind of authority in any way whatsoever. But my.

Wait, wait, you do have a Bible, right?

I do. I do have a Holy Spirit, right? I do have that as well. Okay, there you go. I haven't been ordained as the authority. Yeah. So what I would say is, like, he kind of described the two different situations, one where he isn't in formal leadership, and the other where he is.

So I would say the one situation where he's, where he's submitting to elders, as far as and and consistently speaking into the lives of maybe even people in a congregation, I think it might be wise to clarify with them, just so they, because you might say something, and then it end up causing some kind of division.

And then you're, you're viewed as a wolf now, because you're coming in and you're devouring people, at least from their perspective. But I think that if, if someone appreciates the truths that you're explaining, and they keep inviting you back, and you're not wavering on those things, you're not like, well, I'm in an Arminian church, so I'll preach our Arminian message.

As long as you're being faithful, and they're, they keep inviting you back, and you're not like accountable to them as far as, you know, what, what you're, what you have to say, then, then yeah, more, more power to you.

But I would think in a church that you're in leadership, they would have some requirements about the things that they want you to believe in order to be preaching, and you should respect those.

Things. Yeah, and, and you know, there are times, I think, when, if you're a guest speaker, I mean, I travel, and I speak at plenty of other churches, and one of the things is, I will respect the church I'm in.

You'll get a kick out of this, because I once was asked to speak in a Presbyterian church for five weeks in a row, and the pastor was there, and so here I am, I'm guest speaker, and we had a guy come up.

He's a Baptist, or from a Baptist background, I should say. He's, he, I don't think he was a believer. First time visiting, he sees me at the pulpit, so he asks me after the service, he says, hey, I got a question for you.

I come from a Baptist background, but, well, how would this church be different than my church that I grew up in, like, with the issue of baptism, and so I just said, well, listen, I'm, I'm a Baptist, but, now, why, the reason I did that, I'm saying that I'm, there's a difference, right, what I'm about to say, and what I believe, because I'm Baptist, I wouldn't hold to some of the views that a Bat, a Presbyterian would have with, with regards to baptism.

I said, but here's what this church would teach, and so afterwards, the pastor, who is just, you know, a couple feet away when I was having this conversation, comes over to me, and we end up going for lunch, and he says, I gotta tell you, son, Andrew, I just wish that people in my church understood Presbyterian baptism as well as you, a Baptist.

He says, that brought tears to my eyes, why.

Weren't you converted? Yeah, yeah, that's, it's always good when you understand the,.

The position you disagree with. Well, and that's the thing I think so lacking, with a movie like Calvinist, this is the big issue I find, is I find people who are very much against Calvinism typically don't understand it.

I, there's someone in evangelism circles, a very well-known person, who has recently, in the past, say, seven years, five, seven years, has come out to where he believes that, I mean, he basically says, I'm no longer a believer, because, and here's the thing, not because I say I'm a Calvinist, but because I'm on stage and preach with Calvinists.

Now, he's done that too, I mean, he's preached with Paul Washer, like he, I think he followed Paul Washer, like, come on, my association works for you too, but, but you know what I did with him? I actually said, okay, let me just ask you a question.

I went through the five points known as, as TULIP, by that acronym, I went through them without using the labels, and just gave the definitions, and to a T, he agreed with every one of them. Yeah. And I said, dude, you're a Calvinist.

He's I think that's a big part of it. People don't understand what it is that they're.

Trying to rip apart. Do you find that? Oh, yeah, of course. But it's always, those, those are always nice opportunities, as long as, you know, you can have a cordial conversation with people, it's always great to, to help them walk through those things, and show them the consistency.

Because there is a beautiful, beautiful consistency in, in the five points of Calvinism. And I remember, so I was in a Calvary Chapel. And my one of my, you know, I had a few friends that I was sort of debating these things with.

And I was in leadership. And someone, we had a conversation. And then later on, he sent me a Paul Washer video. And the Paul Washer video was talking about, you know, running people through these mills, where you popishly declare them to be saved, because you got them to pray a prayer with you.

Or they held, you held their hand and said, if you don't want to pray, just squeeze my hand, if you agree with me. And then he says, behold, the power of God. And I was just like, what? And then he then he explained regeneration, and the idea of God taking out your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh, this miracle that actually is your conversion.

And in that moment, my jaw dropped. And all like I've been studying Calvinism to disprove it. And so all five links of the chain just slammed closed, because I understood irresistible grace. And then, like, I walked over my wife bewildered.

I'm like, I think I'm a Calvinist now. And she's like, Oh, no, what what are we doing?

She's right. Oh, no, my whole life is over. So what did I marry? Yeah, exactly. So, so in the previous film, with Calvinist, right, you're, you're presenting an argument for Calvinism as being biblical, as something that we should hold to.

But what often comes up when we end up singing, as I already referred to this one person who I used to be friends with now doesn't even think I'm saved. Should we if we believe this is biblical, I mean, should we just say, Okay, if you don't agree with us, let's, we got to part ways.

Yeah, so the so Calvinism is a product of the Reformation. And the Reformation was a reclaiming of the gospel, right? So the Roman Catholic Church went off the deep end and just continued to be corrupted over the centuries.

And their practices were insane, and their gospel was ungodly. So this Reformation happens, and they reclaim what the gospel actually is. And the gospel, at its core, is that we are justified by faith alone, apart from works in Christ in the work of Christ.

So what Christ has done for us is sufficient to save simply by the instrument of placing your faith in him, you receive all the benefits of salvation. So as the Reformation went on, they continued to reform other doctrines.

And there was more exposition of what the Bible was actually teaching about the logistics of salvation. And what this next movie is about is about worship. Worship was a huge deal reforming worship. So if we take all of that, to mean what it really means, then the way a person is saved is by placing their faith in Jesus Christ and his work on their behalf saying, nothing in my hands I bring simply to thy cross, I cling.

And one of the songs or something. Yeah, it's kind of like a song. So that means that even the doctrines, beyond justification, beyond my faith in Christ, doctrines that I have also don't contribute to my salvation.

So I don't have to perfectly understand all of the logistics of salvation to be saved. I need to understand that Jesus Christ died a substitutionary death on my behalf, and he gifts me his righteousness by faith.

That's what I need to know. That's what I have to believe. And that's what saves us and nothing more. But there is beauty and importance and glory to God when we do more fully understand what he's done for us in Christ.

And I've seen the two extremes.

I've seen people that have actually argued that if you don't believe in Calvinism, you can't be saved. Yeah, I think some misunderstand when there's people who will say, you know, Calvinism is to be Christian, you know.

But there's so you have one extreme where people say, if you don't believe in Calvinism, you're not even saved. And then you have the other extreme. They'll say, well, if you believe in Calvinism, that's a false gospel.

Oh, yeah. And look, you and I disagree. You mentioned and you're hesitant because you and I talked about this privately yesterday with the Reform Pub. You and I have differing views of discussing alcohol, especially in public.

Right. Yeah, we can get along. We know where we disagree. Yeah, we know where our differences are. We can respect one another as fellow brothers in Christ, even though we may have strong views that are in opposition to one another.

But issues of the.

Gospel. Yeah. And I'm comfortable even going as far as to say that some of those a lot of those issues even are if you hold the position on your side versus the position on my side. I'm not saying this necessarily about alcohol or my my view of alcohol, but the other person is in sin oftentimes because of their thoughts.

So let's let's say baptism, for example. I'm a Presbyterian. You're a Baptist. If you don't baptize your children, I believe technically that that's a sin because you're it's a disobedience to a command in Scripture.

How we get to that command is.

Could be discussed. But wait, wait, wait. But I'm Jewish. I had my son circumcised. So that's pretty good. I'm actually better than baptism, right?

Let's read Galatians. Yeah. So but what I'm saying is, we can eat. So let's call those things what they are. And it's OK to to you know, you don't just go around saying everyone who doesn't baptize. I don't go around telling everyone who doesn't baptize babies that they're a sinner.

But technically, it's it's a disobedience is something that I am convinced is a command from God. So we can we can put things in their proper categories. But not all sin is volitional. Not all sin is something that it and also there is therefore now no condemnation in Christ Jesus.

So our sins are covered. We do have a mediator who can handle even our lack of understanding in certain areas. So that gives us the ability to be patient with one another and to take time to explain these things and not get super frustrated, especially with something like Calvinism, because these are spiritually understood realities.

And the battles that we fight are not flesh and blood, but they're spiritual. So if if somebody doesn't understand a truth about God that I do, I have to understand that the only reason I know that is because God has been gracious to me to reveal something to me.

And I'm sure he's revealed something else that I don't understand to that other person. And we just we can pray for each other and we can ask for the spirit to intervene. And we, you know, do the work of helping people understand.

But it's not a it's not a salvation issue.

Why Worship Is About God, Not Music Styles or Personal Preference

Yeah. And I tell a story often when we talk about differences and stuff. I was glad that I went to a seminary that I wouldn't agree with my theological positions completely, especially on some of these issues.

It forced me to have to be a lot more specific and argumentative in a good way to make my points clear when I would write papers. I had a professor who basically told me disagrees with my conclusion, but could not argue any of my points.

And it forced me to have to argue better. But one of the things they would that I really liked about my seminary was you always were encouraged to read both sides of an argument. And where that really helped me, I remember taking a class on I'm going to mention the dreaded D word dispensationalism.

And for those who know that that term, right. But yeah, I was taking a class and literally, I'm sitting there reading and I start reading from folks from the position of dispensationalism. And this is what I read.

Now don't jump in and answer because you're going to you're going to want to. But I'm going to paraphrase this. But basically, this dispensationalist was writing and he says, we dispensationalists believe, or actually first he was basically saying he's talking about the covenant theology position.

He says covenant theology believes two ways of being saved. Works in the Old Testament, grace in the new. And the argument for the works is that there's a covenant of works versus a covenant of grace.

And so that's the proof that you'd get saved through works in the Old Testament. And now it's through grace. And he says, we dispensationalists believe that ever since Adam's fall, it's always been by grace.

And I said, well, yeah, I believe it's always been by grace by from the fall, I guess I fit in the category of dispensational. Oh, great. Okay. But then I start reading a covenant theologian. And he basically was saying that dispensationalists believe there's two ways of salvation.

Yeah. And they quoted from Schofield's first edition of his reference Bible where anyone that understands dispensationalism knows the importance of that study Bible to dispensationalism. And in there, he surely made it sound like there was two ways of salvation, right?

And so they quote that and say, dispensationalists believe you are saved from works in the Old Testament, grace in the new. But we covenant theologians think that ever since the fall, it has always been from grace.

Wait a minute, I literally pulled the other book off the off the shelf. And I'm looking at how many trees have died over this issue. And they're not listening to one another. They said the same exact thing about each other, and about their own position.

And both used extreme examples and misrepresentations of the other side, so that they can make their points. And I was like, man, if they would just sit down and talk to one another, we could we could actually get along like Christians should.

Yeah, that's that's amazing. They said the exact same thing.

Yeah, it was. It's it's, but we see this so often with so many issues. And Calvinism would be one and we're probably gonna see it on the issue where we should pick up next. So let's, let me play a commercial.

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But great men who have contributed to that. And I would say even if you're not looking just to evangelize to Mormons, if you just want to evangelize, it's a great book because literally what it provides is 24 different authors giving 24 different ways they go about sharing the gospel, specifically with Mormons.

But you get a lot of ideas of how to share with others. There's a lot of points in there. Matt Slick has a chapter on biblical reliability. That's going to work great with atheists. I should actually mention, I don't think I ever mentioned this, but Tony's, when he mentions that we have an expertise in speaking on sexual abuse in the church, it's not that we're experts on sexual abuse.

I was hearing that commercial first time. Gee, I wonder if people interpret it that way. But we have Pastor Frank Mullis, who is one of the leading experts in Georgia. He basically, I think he counsels a couple of hundred, like four to 600 sexual offenders a week.

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He said that 75 of the people who get arrested for sexual abuse are first time offenders. Wow. Yeah. They've been doing it for years and then they get caught and you don't see the repeat. So he said, most of these background checks do almost nothing because it would only catch 25 of the people who've been caught.

And even of those, many of them know how to hide it better. So you're just not going to see. So when we talk about the expertise there, it's that Pastor Mullis actually has some seminars on how to protect the church.

What to look for other than a background check is what you got to do. So let's talk about your new film. If I can, I would like to, you know what, I could probably play this if I switch this over. I would like to play, you have a Kickstarter that I think you even mentioned.

And I want to, hold on a second. Hey, that's you.

It's on YouTube. If you want to pull it up there, I could.

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I'm Last Lamp here. I work in the film industry and movies like Transformers and Smurfs and Epic. Two years ago, I made a Kickstarter for a movie called Calvinist and you guys blew it out of the water.

Thank you so much for your support. Making that movie was one of the greatest experiences in my entire life. People really seem to like Calvinist. So I want to make another movie about the most important thing in the world.

No pressure.

From the time of the Garden of Eden, there's been a war over worship. The enemy would do all in his power to rob God of glory.

How we worship influences everything. Absolutely everything.

That's what I'm talking about. How does God say he is to be worshiped? Spirit and Truth is a movie about worship. I want to encourage the audience to ask three big questions. How do we worship? Why do we worship?