June 22, 2020 Show with J. Ryan Davidson on “Green Pastures: A Primer on the Ordinary Means of Grace”

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And I'm thrilled to have back on the program J. Ryan Davidson. He is a Ph .D. candidate at the Free University of Amsterdam researching pastoral theology in the early church period, and he's pastor at Grace Baptist Chapel, a Reformed Baptist congregation in Hampton, Virginia.

Today he's going to be addressing his book, Green Pastures, a Primer on the Means of Grace, which is published by Reformed Baptist Academic Press. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, J. Ryan Davidson.

Thanks, Chris. It's good to be back with you, brother.

I'm going to immediately give our email address out in the event that we have listeners who would like to ask you a question, and that email address is chrisarnzen at gmail dot com, chrisarnzen at gmail dot com.

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Let's say you hear a doctrinal issue being discussed. You want to ask a question about it, but you disagree with your own pastor or the predominant members of your church, or perhaps you're even a pastor and you disagree with your own elders or your denomination over this issue or over the issue that you're writing about.

Well, those are very good reasons to remain anonymous, but if it's just a general question, please just give us at least your first name, city and state, and country of residence. Well, first of all, I would love to hear just a little bit more about your candidacy for a Ph .D. at the Free University of Amsterdam.

I understand, as I just mentioned in your introduction, that you're researching pastoral theology in the early church period, which has got to be fascinating because obviously there are a lot of practices that went on, especially probably involving ecclesiology and church polity that were present in the patristic era and so on and earlier that may not necessarily reflect what Baptists believe, Baptist practice.

Of course, we believe that our church polity is biblical, but as you know as a student of history, it didn't take very long for the church to start to develop extra-biblical ideas very early on after the apostolic era.

But if you could, tell us about that in brief.

It's been a fascinating experience.

Perhaps sometime we can have you on to discuss your doctoral dissertation.

Certainly.

And tell us about Grace Baptist Chapel in Hampton, Virginia.

Well, it's a wonderful church. I'm biased, of course, my wife Christy and I. We have four kids. About 40 years from May, but become a confessional reform Baptist church and we're growing, and by God's grace, at work within the body.

Well, praise God. And if anybody wants more information about Grace Baptist Chapel in Hampton, Virginia, go to gracebaptistchapel .net, gracebaptistchapel .net. Well, the title of your book, as I've mentioned in the outset of the broadcast, Green Pastures, a Primer on the Ordinary Means of Grace.

Just out of curiosity, are you tying in Psalm 23 to that theme of the ordinary means of grace?

Yes, yes. And the ordinary means of grace,.

That may be an unfamiliar phrase to those outside of reform theology. In fact, there are some who might claim to be within reform theology, those that we would call hyper-Calvinists, who deny, and of course the hyper-Calvinistic movement is not a monolithic group, but many of them deny that God uses means of grace at all.

They would say that that is an Arminian mindset that would lead you to believe that God uses means. In fact, many in the primitive Baptist denomination, which is largely but not completely hyper-Calvinist, they even would call it the means doctrine, and they don't mean that favorably.

But if you could tell us exactly what you mean by the ordinary means of grace.

Certainly. The working definition I use in the book, there are several different ways that you came up with this, that the ordinary means of grace, and we use the term, that word ordinary in common discussion or parlance, often sometimes means ordinary.

We mean these are the things we are to go to, and ordinances, and the law, the good Christian book, but those are ordinances.

And how would a reformed understanding of the ordinary means of grace differ from sacerdositalism, for instance, or a false or even idolatrous understanding of the sacraments?

Particularly as they attend it, as you mentioned, and view them as things that we should be using among His people. So ordinances or the spirit of God, is it...

Great.

The Lord's Supper, the Real Presence, and the Reformed View of Baptism

Well, we do have a listener already, who actually is remaining anonymous. The anonymous listener asks, I'm going through in my church some time of puzzlement over the Reformed Baptist understanding of the Lord's Supper.

I had all my life previously believed the Lord's Supper to be a memorial only, but now I'm learning other things that Reformed Christians believe that would include the real presence of Christ in the sacrament, etc.

Can you please explain this to me, because I just don't get a mental grasp of how this is a biblical teaching, and how it would be separate from the heresies of Roman Catholicism. Well, obviously you could spend two hours answering that question.

Certainly.

But if you could give as best a summary answer to that as you possibly can.

Sure. Well, I appreciate the question, and it's a good one. I think, in a very brief Corinthians chapter, that means, okay, the church is using that, the twin brothers and sisters, and of course the Roman Catholic, or even Eastern Orthodox.

First Corinthians 10, where it's really coming out of the Reformation, that we could talk about historical...

Yes, unfortunately our Roman Catholic friends, if they are knowledgeable of Catholic rhetoric, or if they are knowledgeable of Catholic apologetics, when the Catholic apologist sees in the patristic evidence that most, if not all, of the church fathers believed in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, they equate that with transubstantiation.

So they think that that's a proof that transubstantiation was taught and practiced centuries before we, as Protestants, believe that heresy arose. But these are not the same thing, or they don't need to be the same thing, real presence and physical, bodily, miraculous transformation.

Am I right?

Right.

Well, thank you, anonymous listener. And by the way, you have received, or will receive, a free copy of Green Pastures, a primer on the ordinary means of grace, by our guest today, J. Ryan Davidson, published by Reformed Baptist Academic Press.

So please give us your full mailing address, your full name, obviously. None of that information will be disclosed on the air, especially since you have requested to remain anonymous. So thank you very much for participating in the show.

Let's see, we have another anonymous listener. The anonymous listener says, I was just listening to you talk about the real presence of Christ in the Lord's Supper. But are we, as Reformed Christians, to have a parallel view of baptism?

Or is baptism merely a memorial of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, and our dying with Christ, and rising again in new birth?

I think it's a good question. The caveat, though, is that both of them, Christ is present among His Church. It's just when I said no earlier, I think not to baptism. We should see that Christ...

So, and if I'm not mistaken, the majority of the Evangelical Church today would view these ordinances as allegories and pictures only. And you're saying historically the Reformed faith would have a different view, but not one that crosses the line into sacerdotalism.

Absolutely. Absolutely. I think you summarized that well.

And we obviously have to be careful not to believe that these things are absolutely essential in order for someone to have eternal life or to become regenerate. In fact, we believe in a Reformed ordo salutis, order of salvation, and therefore there would be nobody who is genuinely interested in receiving the ordinance of baptism or the Lord's Supper.

And I stress the word genuinely, unless they're already regenerate, because they might be interested for a host of reasons to make their parents happy or to make their spouses happy or to make their bosses happy if their boss happens to be a member of a church of some kind.

There could be innumerable reasons why an unregenerate person would want to be baptized and receive the Lord's Supper, maybe just to fit in at the church, whatever the case may be. But only a regenerate person is going to have a truly heartfelt and Christ-honoring desire for these things.

So that's why the order is mixed up in many of our Armenian and other churches, and even in our Roman Catholic friends in Eastern Orthodox. They believe that somebody who is born with original sin can actually conjure up out of their wicked hearts some kind of a desire for these things that honor God.

And in the case of Romanism and Eastern Orthodoxy, that they actually bring about the gift of regeneration by receiving them. And I never understood, and I don't know if you have any insight into this, how Martin Luther could be so biblical on salvation and how he could uphold the pillars of the watchwords of the Reformation, sola gratia, sola fide, solus Christus, sola scriptura, and soli Deo gloria, how he could believe in these things and yet at the same time believe in baptismal regeneration.

Well, particularly Luther's Reformation, in so many ways, and yet in some Reformation as a...

And by the way, the strictly memorial or symbolic view is very often, especially when it comes to the Lord's Supper, is attributed very often to Ulrich Zwingli. But I have heard some historians question whether he was a strict memorialist.

Do you know anything further about that?

I'm aware of that and his particular...

If you could, break down how you present these truths of the ordinary means of grace in the book, and who would be the primary audience for the book?

The book, out of a certain... particularly lays out an overarching chapter and then it looks at each of the means and the gathered church.

Great.

The First Listener Questions on the Means of Grace

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I'd like to read at least one of these commendations for the book and Carl Truman has been a guest on this program a number of times Professor of Biblical and Religious Studies at Grove City College in Grove City, Pennsylvania and Dr. Truman.

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One of the things that binds confessional Presbyterians and Reformed Baptists together is their common commitment to a ministry shaped by the ordinary means of grace. Such a ministry is not a matter of arbitrary personal taste but driven by our understanding of exactly what God's grace is and how it becomes a reality in the lives of Christians.

This short book helps in that regard offering short, sound accounts of the words, sacraments and prayer in a manner that will help all those seeking a ministry that reflects Biblical priorities and teaching.

That's Carl Truman of Grove City College.

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We do have a listener question for you Brother Davidson. It is from Johnny in Queens, New York. There seems to be a loose interpretation of how and what ordinances and or sacraments within Reformed circles, Presbyterian, Dutch Reformed, Reformed Baptist, etc. are applied practically.

What.

Would you say are the means that actually, I'm sorry, what would you say are the means that convey actual salvific grace to regenerate an unbeliever and the means that strengthens and sanctifies the believer?

Well, either by the looking at the London Baptist Confession 1689, Chapter 14, Paragraph 1 there is some distinction that I think is high. There the confession says the grace of faith that the elect are enabled to believe to the saving of their souls and is ordinarily strengthened and that I think is a helpful and I think that distinction is necessary.

We don't... I think that's a helpful distinction. Yes, and this would be as we were.

Discussing before the break. In stark contrast to the Roman Catholic understanding of ex operi operato where the actual physical.

Performance.

Of the sacrament or rite is actually giving to this person.

The.

Giving to this person eternal life salvation. Am I right on that? For instance, that is why and I don't want to upset our Presbyterian brethren, but when it comes to somebody like a Roman Catholic who believes in paedo-baptism.

The.

Actual rite of baptism is regenerating the soul of that lost infant and the lost infant neither has understanding of what goes on or doesn't have any kind of faith, doesn't have any kind of repentance, etc.

It's the actual rite that is doing it.

Right, we would see who might be Christian listeners, I'm assuming particular Baptists here in England and today we would call them reconveyance at the Lord's Supper. There's more we could say about that phrase and I don't want to take it out of context.

Discussion of the means of grace might be surprised because theology...

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We have, looks like, I don't know if I've ever had this many anonymous listeners before. We have another anonymous listener who asks what you are teaching seems to magnify the importance of the ordinances rather than them being strictly symbolic or memorials.

Therefore, has your view led you, when it comes to the Lord's Supper for instance to a more frequent participation in it than most, if not the very least, many evangelicals do and even many reformed people do who have it either once a month or sometimes even twice a year and when it comes to baptism do you have this administered more quickly rather than waiting sometimes even a year when some churches will only baptize people on Easter Sunday for instance but if not that far off.

Many churches, if not most make their candidates for baptism wait great periods of time to be baptized for reasons that I find unbiblical.

I think there is every reason to think that it was the other Lord's Day and I would be perfectly happy observing the Lord's Supper with reverence.

Yes, I find.

That.

Reason or excuse that it loses special meaning to be a non-biblical argument and like you just said even worship itself or should I say corporate public worship. If we were going to use that logic why don't we just meet once a month.

Excellent. Thank you Anonymous, the other anonymous listener. And please make sure you give us your full name and your mailing address so that this book that we have been addressing, Green Pastures a primer on the ordinary means of grace can be shipped out to you as soon as possible.

Just out of curiosity, not that this would have a lot of weight attached to the discussion but it is something that I find to be a growing trend. It seems that many if not most of the reformed churches I'm aware of that have developed a higher view of the ordinances of sacraments and have begun when it comes to the Lord's Supper, observing it every single Sunday.

Very often these churches also begin using fermented wine in the Lord's table and they seem to think that this is very very important. What are your views on that. And I mean can those that still choose to use unfermented grape juice continue to do so with confidence that they are not violating anything biblical or should they join their fermented wine brethren in switching the that element of the table to the more powerful beverage if you will.

Yes I do think it's a growing question particularly among the with the use of wine as grape juice. Years ago we only why don't we use wine and so we end up at the table. We didn't want to make that something to divide the body over and really there is no division and so we make both available.

My preference again is wine. If I were planting a church and I only had one thing to choose I would choose fermented beverage wine but I don't think benefit because they're using grape juice.

This wouldn't be as radical a substitute as somebody who were if they didn't have them available. You know some hip modern church might think it's cool to have chocolate cake and soda as substitutes for the lord's table which would be I'm assuming you would agree entirely inappropriate.

Unlike unlike the unfermented grape juice which would be acceptable right.

I completely agree. I think chocolate cake and soda could be a very problem. There's a we have to go to our.

The Lord's Supper, Frequency, Wine, and Memorialism

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