Rick Warren Lays Out The (False) Theology in the History Channel Miniseries, The Bible

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Wow. Thank you for tuning in you're listening to fighting for the faith. My name is Chris Roseboro. I am your servant in Jesus Christ. And this is the program that dishes up a daily dose of biblical discernment the goal of which Help you to think biblically.

Help you to think critically help you compare what people are saying in the name of God to the Word of God. There's no shortage of crazy things being said out there and as a result of it we're doing the well the politically incorrect work of comparing what Christian leaders pastors authors and well now you know movie producers are saying in the name of God to the Word of God to see if that's what what God's Word really teaches or if we've Basically run into a season where the majority or a large portion of the major Leaders being touted as Christian leaders are teaching false doctrine.

Now yesterday on the program In our number one I unpacked for you the theological problems. With the History Channel mini-series the Bible in fact I found myself in the awkward position of having to compare the Bible to the Bible and That's the kind of thing that will make your head explode if you're an apologist anyway.

So I had to compare the Bible to the Bible that mean that means the written Word of God to well this miniseries now I was tempted to say yesterday that That the miniseries on the History Channel the Bible is Less accurate than the Book of Mormon, but then I realized no the Book of Mormon doesn't really have any truth in it at all so I can say with clarity now that Theologically and historically the miniseries the Bible is more accurate than the Book of Mormon but not by much so In fact what we're gonna be doing today It's gonna feel like a light edition of fighting for the faith, but it's not we're gonna be devoted to a singular topic though and that's gonna be listening to Rick Warren and Mark Burnett and Roma Downing unpack or Downey unpack the theology of This particular miniseries now you learned yesterday that the theological advisors for this miniseries were Rick Warren Joe Lowe Steen TD Jake's and others.

But those were the three that came immediately to mind for Roma Downey and Mark Burnett. Now that being the case it's also significant to note that this past Sunday the day When this miniseries premiered on the History Channel that Roma Downey and Mark Burnett were at Saddleback Church To kick off a sermon series that started on this past Sunday at Saddleback Church entitled history makers and the first sermon in the series was delivered by all three of them Rick Warren Mark Burnett and Roma Downey.

Now so to kind of give you an idea of what's going on here. You know Rick Warren's gonna actually preach From not the scripture preach from Clips from the movie and give us the theology that he believes that the these passages these These movie clips are teaching us and like I said yesterday that what we're dealing with with the miniseries the Bible.

It is a purpose-driven Rewrite of the Bible. That's exactly what this is. It's designed to you know to basically instruct people and teach people in Purpose-driven Doctrine, which is the different than sound biblical doctrine and far different than historic Orthodox Christianity.

In fact, you know, I don't even want to make the claim, you know, what is to what it is that you're gonna hear I want to get to it. So let me set this up for you and then we'll actually do our our Sermon review music because this is this is a quote a sermon that we're gonna be reviewing.

But I want you to kind of get an idea of what it is that the sermon series is all about from the Saddleback website there's a there's a Promo for the sermon series that was posted Days before the sermon series began and the name of again that the name of the sermon series is history makers.

History makers and here's the little blurb on the Saddleback website. It says ordinary people extraordinary faith history makers. Living by faith is a new series based upon the epic 10 part miniseries the Bible.

Created by the history channel mark Burdett Burnett producer of TV survivor and Roma Downey. See history brought to life as you relive the dramatic stories of the scripture learn how to leave an extraordinary legacy despite ordinary Circumstances now along with that little blurb.

There was a little promo video kind of like a premiere for the for the The the sermon series itself and since it's all text-based I'm not gonna play it for you because there's no words that you can hear.

But I went ahead and make you know Dictated out what it is that it says and let me read it for you. And this little promo video says history isn't made by war. But those who fight them history isn't made by speeches.

But those who give them history isn't made by ideals. But those who live by them real people making real choices that affect us here and now. Ordinary men and women with extraordinary faith and that's the promo, you know for history makers.

So, let me give you just a little bit more of what it is that you're gonna hear in this sermon that we're gonna be Reviewing that was preached just a couple of days ago at Saddleback and that's this you're going to hear Rick Warren Roma Downey and Mark Burnett.

Basically divulge how much of an impact Theologically Rick Warren had on this particular miniseries and you're gonna find out that it's significant. You're also gonna hear later in the sermon what Rick Warren hopes to use this miniseries for.

Okay, he actually has plans for using this miniseries. You'll hear those plans, but also you're gonna hear what I told you yesterday. Then and we did a sermon review from somebody who taught the same theology.

But you're gonna hear the same theology that we heard in the sermon that we reviewed yesterday coming from Rick Warren. In fact, you can almost make the claim that what we're in fact, not even almost you can clearly make the claim.

That what Rick Warren does in this sermon is Exactly the same thing that Stephen Furtick does in his sermon that Perry Noble does in his sermons and that is you're gonna hear full-blown narcissistic Eisegesis basically looking at the Old Testament Characters as if somehow they're the way they had lived their lives is a pattern you know from receiving the vision from God for to do something amazing to the problems that they had in seeing that vision fulfilled that that's what those stories are there for and Rather than hearing it from somebody who isn't Rick Warren.

You're gonna actually hear it from Rick Warren himself. With Mark Burnett and Roma Downey there at Saddleback. So let's put it this way this what you're about to hear is the definitive theological Explanation as to the theology that's ticking underneath the hood of the miniseries the Bible.

Because well the people who you're gonna be hearing from were the most instrumental in making that miniseries. Come to pass. So with that being said, let's do our normal sermon review music so that we can cue this up and do it.

Right. Here we go. Look at the bad and the ugly we review it all here at fighting for the faith. We're an equal opportunity sermon reviewing service today's sermon comes to us via Saddleback Church out there in Lake Forest, California and The name of the sermon is entitled History makers history makers learn how you can with extraordinary faith.

Make an extraordinary impact in the world. The sermon is delivered by none other than Rick Warren and co-taught if you would by Roma Downey and Mark Burnett who make appearances fairly early on in this in the sermon and help participate to unfold and unpack and discuss the history channel miniseries.

The Bible which is supposedly what the sermon is all about now, you're gonna need your Bible. You're gonna need it open to two passages in particular us one Hebrews 11. The one Romans chapter 3 and I'm gonna be look working through Romans chapter 3 Chapter 4 and chapter 5 in order to help you understand What's going wrong?

With the theology that you're about to hear in this sermon. So, let me kill the music here and without any further ado. Here is Rick Warren and week one of his sermon series entitled history makers.

Well, if you'll take out your message notes, I want to welcome you to our new series called history makers lessons on living by faith and the next five weeks We're gonna give a complete overview of the major characters of the Bible.

I want to begin with this question, which is this. Why did God give us the Bible? And the answer is one of the reasons is for your Encouragement. The Bible says this Romans 15 verse 4 for everything that was written in the past Was written to teach us so that through endurance and the Encouragement of the scriptures circle that the encouragement of the scriptures We might have hope.

You got to have hope to cope you got to have hope to live in life. And where do you get hope. You get it from encouragement. And Encouragement comes from the Bible the more you get into this word the more hope and the more Encouragement you're gonna have now.

Why do we need encouragement? Well, duh. Life is hard. Everybody agrees with that Life is not easy. Life is hard. This is not heaven where everything works. Perfectly. This is earth where nothing works perfectly.

So we all need Encouragement. The Bible tells us that this life on earth is the preparation stage for heaven. That this life is the character building stage Where God builds your character that you're going to keep with you for? eternity.

Okay, quick question. What Bible passage says that this life is the character building stage that prepares us for eternity? I'm not familiar with that passage. Let me back this up so you can kind of hear what Rick Warren is Doing which comes to the major point one of the major points that needs to be made as we listen to the sermon.

Rick Warren makes a ton of assertions. He asserts many things about God and the Bible and Doesn't substantiate them with any clear passages. In other words when he does that He's not teaching biblical theology like Tony Jones last week late.

We noted what Rick Warren is doing is literally creating his own theology and Claiming for it the status of biblical theology. If you don't have a clear passage that says what you say It's what the Bible says then the Bible doesn't say it and that's not biblical theology.

That's your theology. Let me back this up. Listen again to Rick Warren. So we all need.

Encouragement. The Bible tells us that this life on earth is the preparation stage for heaven that this life is the character building stage. Where God builds your character that you're gonna keep with you for eternity.

Again, what passages teach this doctrine? I?

Am NOT familiar with the passages that say this. And how does God build your character? He does it through tests? One test after another life is simply a series of tests. Big test little test. Long test short test major test minor test.

So what biblical passage teaches that God is going because this is the character building phase of our life. That God uses tests to build our character. I mean, where is this really clearly laid out in an unambiguous way as a Primary doctrine regarding Christian sanctification or why we're here.

Let's he's gonna actually make an appeal to a passage. Let's see if that's what this passage says.

Right now you're in one of three positions. You're either just came out of a major test or you are in a major test right now. Or you're getting ready to go in the next one. Because you're always in some kind of test now the good news is this.

Every problem has a purpose. Now God doesn't have to plan your problems you plan enough of them yourself. You cause a lot of your own problems and the other people problems that have caused your life or caused by other people.

God doesn't cause the problems in your life. But God has a purpose in every problem in your life and he will use it for good if you'll give it to him. It is designed to help you grow. That's why the Bible says this about the tests you have in your life.

James chapter 1 verse 2 to 4. Dear brothers and sisters Whenever trouble comes your way Let it be an opportunity for joy. Hello joy, really. Let it be an opportunity for joy. For when your faith is tested circle that word tested.

Your endurance has a chance to grow. So let it grow. When your endurance is fully developed you will be strong in character. Note that strong in character.

Now I'm gonna note something here that we've. Rick Warren has taken two verses out of context the first one. I'm not gonna quibble with Romans 15 for this one. I'm gonna quibble with and here's the thing.

What he's done is he's switched translations. He started the Romans 15 for verse he quoted from the NIV. The James 1 2 through 4 he quoted from the New Living Translation. So he's up to his old tricks of basically.

Picking and choosing whichever translation he wants. In order to find the words that he's looking for because he's claiming here that we live in. You know that the purpose of right now is for God to constantly test us.

You're either in a test coming out of tests or getting ready to go into a test and. This is the testing phase of our lives because God is building character through all these tests although this is not a biblical teaching and.

To create the impression that this is what the Bible says he's quoted James 1 2 through 4 from the NLT. Well, let's take a look at it in context using the ESV and. Let's just see if this is what this passage is saying.

James chapter 1. James a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ to the twelve tribes in the dispersion greetings. Count it all joy my brothers when you meet trials of various kinds. For you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness and let steadfastness.

Have its full effect that you may be perfect and complete lacking in nothing. If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God who gives generously to all without reproach and it will be given to him. But let him ask in faith with not with no doubting.

For the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind. For that person must not suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord. He is a double-minded man unstable in all of his ways.

Okay. So what have we got here? We have the opening greeting. To a letter written by James. Okay, and he says to count it joy when you meet trials of various kinds. Now what kind of trials is he talking about here?

Is this teaching that what is James here saying? Oh, well, these are the trials that God's building your character because this is the thing that you're gonna take with you into heaven. Is that what he's teaching?

Well, it doesn't say that and in order for us to have that as a Christian doctrine. We would need a clear biblical passage that says this phase of you know. The here on earth right now God is going to throw all these tests at you in order to build your character in preparation for the for heaven.

I don't know of any passages that say that and James chapter 1 2 through 4 isn't actually saying that either but it is saying that. Testing of the testing of our faith which can come through trials and persecution and things of that nature that those help produce steadfastness in us and.

And then that steadfastness is helping to make our you know, our faith complete if you would so. But what James is saying here is not what Rick Warren just said so this verse actually doesn't support the assertions that Rick Warren has just made.

In fact, you're gonna notice something here and. That is is that Rick Warren didn't start off by exegeting a passage. That says the things that he's asserting. He began with his assertions. And then went and found verses that use similar words from different translate, you know, he's used the NIV and now the NLT yet different translations in order to.

You make the Bible look like it's supporting the assertions He's making but the job of a pastor is to be an exegete. He's supposed to read God's Word and then show us what this passage means, but he's not doing that.

We continue and.

Ready for anything. God says I use your the tests that come in your life to build character in your life. Now, here's the other good news about all the tests you're gonna go through. God wants you to pass them.

You probably had like I did in school some teachers who I am certain wanted me to fail their tests. They did not make it easy. They made it hard to pass their test. What my favorite tests were were open-book tests.

Particularly when the answers were at the back of the book. I like those kind of tests the good news about God's test in your life. God wants you to pass the test so he gives you the answers in advance.

They're all in this book and The more you read this book the Bible The more you're gonna understand how God has tested. Because he has given us example after example after example. In the Bible of how he tests our faith, so it's not a surprise.

Okay. Now that's key what you just heard. Let me back this up. Listen again. This shows you the main theology. Behind how Rick Warren views the scripture. Listen again.

The more you're gonna understand how God has tested because he has given us example after example. After example in the Bible of how he tests our faith, so it's not a surprise in other words.

You go back into the stories of Noah of Abraham of Moses see those were people who God tested. See he's gonna test you the same way He tested them and so you can you have an open-book test. You can go back and look at how they pass their tests and then do the same thing so that you can pass your tests.

Okay, the only thing that is a surprise is the timing you're not gonna know when these tests come in your life. But the kind of tests I can tell you right now the tests you're gonna have in life I can tell you right now every one of them because they're all here in the Bible.

I can't tell you when they're gonna happen. What we're gonna do today is look at six of the major tests that you're gonna have in your life. You may be in them right now. You may have had already some of them.

You could certainly have them in the future, and we're gonna look at these six tests in the lives of three individuals Noah Abraham and Moses. Now in each of these Men we see a pattern. We see that God always starts by giving people an opportunity.

Then there is an obstacle or.

Opposition and then there is an ordeal. And if you okay, so what he's doing is coming up with his own theological interpretation. That I emphasize that it's his own Theological interpretation without any epistle texts that say this without any other texts that say this is what's going on here.

Rick Warren has gone and he's examined these stories and he's found the thing they all have in common is that it starts with an opportunity. Then they face an obstacle or opponent and then there's an ordeal.

These are all part of the way the testing takes place. So and by the way, I happen to have these saddleback notes From this particular sermon in the heading for this is God always tests those he intends to use.

So in each person in the Bible, we see an opportunity an obstacle an ordeal. We continue.

Resist the opposition and you pass the ordeal you get the opportunity.

Wait a second here backing this up.

Then there is an obstacle or opposition and then there is an ordeal and if you Resist the opposition and you pass the ordeal you get the opportunity.

Okay, so. There is so God comes and he gives you a promise that's the opportunity and then you're gonna face an obstacle or an opponent an opponent as soon as you and you need to resist and Overcome the obstacle or opponent get through the ordeal and once you do that, then God will give you what he promised you the quote opportunity.

Hmm what Bible passages flesh this theology out for us. Answer. Not one. This is Rick Warren's own spin on the biblical texts.

This is the way God always works in your life. In The case of Noah the opportunity God said is I'm gonna use you to save the entire world. Big opportunity. In The case of Abraham. He said I'm gonna use you To found a great new nation the nation of Israel.

Big opportunity. For Moses the opportunity was you're gonna be used by God to set people free from 400 years of slavery.

So those three those are the different opportunities that they all had and Noah to save the world Abraham to start a new nation and Moses the opportunity to set the children of Israel free from slavery.

That was the opportunity. God always starts with the promise in your life.

But then after the the promise comes the predicament now notice what he just said there in your life in your life see we're looking at all these Old Testament stories and It this is vision casting and then you know all that kind of stuff you receive the promise.

So God's apparently gonna show up in your life and he's gonna say I want to use you to do X Y or Z. Right, and you'll go really me. Wow, and then what you'll and then what will happen is as soon as that promise is made.

We see you guys not gonna give you the promise immediately then immediately. You're gonna face an obstacle or an opponent. Somebody's gonna come along and say oh you didn't receive that vision from God.

You're drunk or something like that. And then you'll say to them. You're a hater and see when God sees you opposing and Refuting the opponent that comes then he's gonna send an ordeal in your life like he did with Noah and then Abraham and then Moses and once you overcome the ordeal, then God will give you the thing that he promised.

Okay. There is this is not Christian doctrine. By the way, this is Rick Warren's personal theology basically. Overlaid over scripture. There isn't a single passage in the New Testament that teaches this theology either after the opportunity.

Comes the obstacle or the opposition. Now the obstacle in Noah's life is nobody believed him. When God said I'm gonna use you to build an ark Noah says what's an ark? Because nobody had ever seen one.

He said well, it's gonna flood. No goes says what's the flood because nobody'd ever seen one.

Notice he's not actually reading the flood narratives from Genesis. He's just telling the Noah story his own way. And God said because it's gonna rain. God says what's that?

What's rain. Moses says what's right? No, it says what's rain because nobody never seen one. See the Bible says that up to this time of the flood. It had never rained on earth that God watered the plants of the earth through.

It says a mist came up from the ground kind of like dew. Condensation in the morning when you go out and your lawn is all wet, but it hadn't rained. It's the condensation and the Bible tells us that actually the atmosphere changed after the global flood.

The why aren't you actually reading the flood narrative? There's a reason why. Because he can't make this theology verbal up from the text because it's not there. So he's controlling the narrative so that he can control the theology.

Because and that's why we know that people lived much much longer hundreds and hundreds of years before the flood and After the flood they lived a normal lifespan like we do today. So Noah didn't know what a flood was because he didn't know what rain was he didn't know an arc was and a lot of people Said we think you're.

You know you're cuckoo. When it came to Abraham God had said to Abraham you're gonna be the father of a great nation. The problem was at age 99 Abraham still had no children and his wife was 90. That's a problem folks.

That's a major obstacle if you're waiting to get pregnant all right. Big problem there and then in Moses. Moses had an obstacle in opposition. He had to fight the most powerful man in the world who was Pharaoh The ruler of Egypt.

Egypt was the largest Empire dominated the world in its day and Moses was going up against the most powerful man in the world.

Was it really Moses or was it God who was going up against the most powerful man in the world?

To release the Hebrew slaves. So all three of them have an opposition. And then the third stage was an ordeal and an ordeal. Happens in your life when there's a delay between what God tells you what he's gonna do and him actually doing it in your life.

There's always a waiting period there's always a delay when God tells you what he's gonna. Do he gives you a dream. There's always a delay.

When God gives you a dream. There's always a delay.

Huh?

Weird where in the Bible does it say and that I'm promised that God's gonna give me a dream. I'm not familiar with any passage that says anything of the sort. This is an alien theology that it has its origin in the mind of Rick Warren not scripture.

Backing it up just a little bit. We continue. There's always a waiting period.

There's always a delay when God tells you what he's gonna do. He gives you a dream. There's always a delay and. So for instance in Noah's life the delay took 120 years. Between the time God said I want you to build an ark it took him 120 years to build it.

That's a long delay. How would you like to be? Noah's children. Explaining to your best friends why your dad is building a giant ship in the front yard.

Hundreds if not thousands of miles from the nearest ocean. Now something to keep in mind is that there is a Huge lack of Biblical information regarding the.

Opposition in.

The the type of opposition that Noah faced it. We do know from Scripture that he was a preacher of righteousness and. And so he obviously was preaching the word and nobody did believe him because only his family was saved.

But we don't hear about those who were out there Mocking him and talking about the fact that he lacked the Building permits to build an ark in his front yard and how it was ruining his neighborhood and things of that nature.

We don't know where Noah built the ark. We don't know if it was. You know if he ended up moving. If he ended up, you know building the ark in a secluded area. We don't know what he did. Just don't know so.

Although this makes for an entertaining sermon. I Think it's best that a pastor actually stick to preaching the word. Don't you?

What. He's building an ark right dad. Can't you get a real job? Can you imagine the shame the ridicule that Noah's family had to put up with all that?

Can you imagine you're not supposed to preach what's in your imagination time?

So there was a delay in Noah and there was a delay in Abraham. God tells Abraham at age 75. I'm gonna make you a great nation, but 25 years later. He still doesn't have a son. That's a delay. That's it.

That's a ordeal God says to Moses. I'm gonna use you to set the people free, but it's then. Moses spends 40 years in the wilderness Tending sheep after being kicked out of Pharaoh's court. And then he spends another 40 years taking the children of Israel across the desert to the promised land of Israel now.

To walk from Egypt to Israel shouldn't take you more than maybe 10 or so days a couple weeks. Maybe max it took the children of Israel 40 years.

Now you are aware that Moses never entered the promised land. He was he died. Just before the children of Israel entered the promised land. So, I mean his delay, I mean lasted his entire life never actually came to fruition, huh?

Why why did it take so long? Because seven times in the desert God tested the children of Israel. He gave him seven different tests every time they'd fail the test. He'd go. Well, okay one more lap around the desert.

Okay. Now there's a biblical passage that flat-out contradicts this. Okay, we're gonna take a look at it. It's it's found in the epistle of Jude. In the epistle of Jude now Rick Warren just told us that the reason why what happened to the children of Israel in the in the wilderness was because They didn't pass their tests.

Well, let's take a look at what Jude writes about this Jude verse 5. Now I want to remind you although you once fully knew it that Jesus who saved a people out of the land of Egypt Afterward destroyed those who did not Believe they did not Believe what was going on there wasn't that they just failed their tests.

We're dealing with flat-out unbelief and that's Why there was the problems in the wilderness. Jude verse 5 makes that very clear.

And they did that for 40 years. Now to help me unpack the lessons of these three great men Noah Abraham and Moses. We have the creators the co-creators of the Bible series for the History Channel Mark Burnett and Roma Downey.

I want you to stand and give a rousing Saddleback welcome to Mark Burnett and Roma Downey. Would you get no fun? We're so glad to have them here today. All right, let's begin with the first guy Noah now Noah Is early on in the Bible God had created the world with Adam and Eve and it was a perfect place.

But then Adam and Eve sinned and everything started falling apart. It's called the fall of man. Everything got broken the weather the economy our bodies our relationships and Everything went from bad to worse and over a period of generations the world got so bad.

So evil and so wicked that God really regretted that he had done this and he said I think I'm gonna start over.

He looked down on the planet and he could know. I want to point something out here. It's actually this the the text from Genesis. The in the flood narrative that we learn about What's called the doctrine of original sin, it's not just that wickedness got so bad.

Yes, it did increase but the reason it increased is because humans By nature were now born dead and trespasses and sins and were sinners. Let me read to you Genesis chapter 6 verse 5. Here's what says the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth and that every intention of the thoughts of his heart Was only evil continually.

Let me read that again. Every intention of the thoughts of his heart was only evil. Continually, it's not just wicked deeds. They those wicked deeds were springing forth from Wicked and corrupt sinful natures that every single human was born with.

There's a sad sad passage In the Genesis just before this where it talks about how God had made. You know the humans Originally named made them in his likeness. In fact, let me read this Genesis chapter 5.

This is the book of the generations of Adam verse 1 when God created man He made him in the likeness of God male and female. He created them and blessed them and named them man when they were created when Adam lived 130 years He fathered a son in his own likeness after his image and named him Seth.

It's it's not just that there was an increase in wickedness. It's as we learned in Genesis 6 that every intention of the thoughts of man was only evil all the time. That's the problem. We're dealing with corrupt sinful human nature.

But you know, don't don't let Rick Warren teach on something like that. It might cause attendance to fall we continue find only one.

Righteous man only one guy who had faith in God in the entire planet and that guy's name Was Moses. I mean Noah I've been going through. What service are we in now? Was Noah now. You ought to thank God for Noah because if Noah hadn't been a good godly faithful man.

You wouldn't be breathing right now. Because we're all you want to trace your family tree. We all go back to Noah.

We all go back in so we're all now. I'm gonna take issue with that. Let me back this up because I want to point something out here. Let's let me go back to what he just said. It's an important theological point.

Listen, what's Noah now?

You ought to thank God for Noah because if Noah hadn't been a good godly faithful man You wouldn't be breathing right now.

Now I'm gonna disagree and here's the reason why is because. When we go back to Genesis chapter 3 We find something very important that when Adam and Eve sinned that there was also a promise there was a promise given to Adam and Eve Regarding the well the seed of the woman.