May 10, 2019 Show with Douglas Kuiper on “The History of the Synod of Dordt”

The Synod of Dort and the Five Points of Calvinism

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Good afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet earth who are listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron Radio .com. This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Friday on this 10th day of May 2019 and I'm delighted to have a returning guest today Professor Douglas Kuiper who is a professor of church history and New Testament at the Protestant Reformed Theological Seminary.

And today he's going to be addressing the history of the Synod of Dort during its 400th anniversary. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio Douglas Kuiper. Thank you, and I'm gonna give our email address right away for any of our listeners that may care to join us on the air with a question.

You can specifically ask on the Synod of Dort, but we're gonna broaden the topic. For questions from audience anything regarding Reformed Theology would be fine. How it is different from Arminianism? How it is different from mainstream modern-day evangelicalism, etc.

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Excuse me. I'm sorry, brother. No, that's correct. Go ahead, but I was going to ask you before we get into the topic Why don't you tell our listeners something about the Protestant Reformed Theological Seminary in Michigan?

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Arminianism, Pelagianism, and Prevenient Grace

New Christians or perhaps you are just outside of The camp of Reformed Theology and you're unfamiliar with the five points of Calvinism they are total depravity unconditional election limited atonement irresistible grace and perseverance and preservation of the Saints.

And we have done a number quite a number of programs on that subject. So if you looked up Calvinism In the iron sharpens iron radio archive if you type that in the search engine, I'm sure you will have programs that discuss either all five points in one program in a summary fashion or The points one at a time so that you can learn more about them.

Well, uh. The interesting thing that comes out of our topic today I think having said what we both just said about the five points of Calvinism is that the original five points the the original System of theology that had been spelled out in five points was not created by Calvinists but by Arminians and protest to reform theology and I believe our our subject at hand today is a result of a response to that Remonstrance, is it not?

So why don't you give us give us some of that background?

Okay. No, no, you can continue. Okay.

Well, let's perhaps dig a little bit more deeply into What the Arminians historically believed That caused them to rebel or protest against Reformed Christianity as far as the the nature of man. From what I understand, you know, they do believe Arminians.

Even Wesleyan Arminians today Do believe that man is born with original sin. But from what I understand one of the reasons they protest reform theology is that they Do not believe that man's nature is so corrupted that man cannot Choose in a saving way to repent and follow Christ.

Am I describing that accurately? Yes, as far as today I know that there is a difference between evangelical Arminianism that is dominant today and the teachings of Jacob Arminius that I know that they're not in lockstep or a mirror image of each other, but.

But that's just a lot of similarity.

Yes, you would have many not all but you would have many today being more.

Consistent with Pelagius on the nature of man. He was not orthodox. So here is where.

The matters get more confusing when we have our conversations with our Arminian friends.

Is that.

They want to somehow protect the notion that we owe our salvation to God. So a teaching that is shared by Roman Catholics and Wesleyan Arminians has been Has been labeled Prevenient grace something that is nowhere taught in the scriptures.

And I know that the Roman Catholics have a different understanding than that of the Wesleyan Arminians. But can you explain that? Erroneous teaching and did that Jacob Arminius believe in this teaching?

So the reason why this becomes makes makes clear and And Understandable dialogue with our Arminian friends it gets more confusing because they cannot be consistent. It seems that they are trying desperately To teach that every single human has some kind of equal access to God if they so will to repent and believe if they are willing to.

To.

Follow the prompting of God in prevenient grace or what.-have-you, but it's but it's clearly evident from history That not all men are given equal opportunities. In fact for Centuries, there are many parts of the globe that didn't even have the gospel or any of the Bible.

They never heard the Word of God or read the Word of God.

So.

Either you have to believe that those people went to hell and Somehow had an equal playing field as those who had the scriptures which doesn't make sense or you have to invent something that's even worse that you have to invent a universal salvation or a second chance salvation or a salvation where people saves individuals according to the light that they have not because they truly believe in the gospel or truly Trust in the finished work of Christ.

Isn't this a contradiction of logic to say that all men Have an equal access to God in an Arminian concept. Right. And you have a God that is eternal eternally frustrated because the majority of people that he Wanted to save are lost and will be lost.

Right. And going on to Unconditional election. What did Jacob Arminius believe about election. Because it is clearly a biblical concept. It's just that Depends on who you are and what background you're from and what lens you're reading the Bible through how you Interpret what that means.

Because obviously an Arminian can't just say I don't believe in election. Well, if you don't believe in election and you don't believe in the very words of Scripture such as in Ephesians and in Romans and So on.

But so tell us what did Jacob Arminius actually believe about election? While you're looking I'm just gonna quick repeat our email address. If you'd like to join us on the air with a question of your own our email address is Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

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Question involves a personal and private matter. Okay. I'm sorry. Go ahead now again when we go.

Back to something you said earlier the the predominant view today of those that reject Unconditional election is that God Looks through the the corridors of time since he is omniscient. He knows the future and of course there is a extremely heretical group that exceeds the heresies of the Arminians who are called open theists and They even call themselves consistent Arminians on occasion, but they believe that God doesn't know all of the future.

But most Arminians are not in that camp. They believe God knows all things and therefore he elects people According to his knowledge of Whom will choose him? So there you have really God electing people according to something good that they have Demonstrated they have pleased God by repenting and believing in him and Therefore he is rewarding them by saving them and electing them According to something they did really and therefore it really radically.

Diminishes a.

An understanding of owing God a 100 of the praise honor and glory for your salvation, doesn't it? Because it really is basing it. God is basing it and their understanding on.

Something good that that men have done believe the God decided that again.

Yeah, it seems that in an in a desperate attempt To defend in their minds the love of God the grace of God the mercy of God To make God a kinder God They are trying to assist upon things that they cannot logically and consistently hold to themselves without contradiction because of the fact that we've already demonstrated in the nature of man that Prevenient grace Could not have fallen upon Every single person that ever lived because we have centuries of history Where the gospel was absent geographically in different parts of the globe and even today not every Tribe tongue people in nation has been evangelized.

There are un-evangelized tribes even even today. So that you can't have a consistency where you say God has placed everybody on an equal playing field and Loves everybody equally and gives everybody the same opportunity because it's demonstrably false.

Even even in lands where the gospel has been proclaimed that are under Sharia law for instance Is an Arminian going to tell us that a child in the Bible Belt has the same Privilege and opportunity and playing field as a child bolt born in a Muslim family under Sharia law in the Middle East where he could be Executed for his his belief if he were to believe none of it makes sense.

Does it so moving on to another Arminian concept? This is a concept that even has those that would claim to be in agreement with much of Calvinism. They would probably rarely call themselves Emerald Ian's but that is historically what they have been called.

They are more commonly known as four-point Calvinists, although Most of the people that I have met who call themselves four-point Calvinists Do not really define those four points in the same way that reform people do historically but the limited atonement doctrine, which is also known as particular redemption it is also known as.

A.

Definite atonement. This is an area that obviously the Arminians protested against as far as Christ only dying to save a certain fixed number of people from their sins and If you can move on and perhaps explain a little bit further the Arminian concept of this teaching.

Regard the death of Christ.

Number two confirmed the new covenant of works. Now are you are you saying that that would be?

More in line with Jacob Arminius is understanding of the death of Christ because the reason why I ask is.

That.

Nearly to a man every single person that I can think of that I've ever met over my Decades of salvation going back to the mid mid 1980s. It's it's always been ironic to me and puzzling. How? Non-reformed Christians or even vehemently anti Calvinist Christians.

Will claim the same things or should I say the many of the same things? That we would claim about the purpose of the death of Christ and yet they would just say they disagree that he only died for a fixed number of people meaning the elect.

That he died for every single man woman and child that ever lived and ever will live and. But they are inconsistent obviously and I'll give you an example of what I mean or a couple examples. I remember on a Christian radio station where I worked for 15 years the talk show host Was interviewing a friend of mine Who is a non Calvinist King James only independent fundamentalist Baptist and.

This.

Brother was saying on the talk show that Christ finished.

The work.

Completely of Redemption on Calvary. He completely 100 Accomplished and finished the work of redemption. So I called in it was a live call-in show and I told this brother Wow Congratulations brother.

I didn't know that you became a Calvinist and he said what are you talking about brother? I said you just said that Christ finished the work of redemption on Calvary. That's right. Amen, and I said well, I guess you believe either Only his elect are saved and redeemed from that or you believe every single human being That has ever lived or ever will will have will be saved and he said oh, no, I don't believe I don't believe that I said well, how can he have finished the work of redemption completely in the cross?

Unless either only the elect are saved or everyone is saved. And he could not answer the question because he was Trying to have his cake and eat it too, if you will. He was trying to Agree with the historically reformed understanding of why Christ died and what he actually did and what he accomplished.

But he had to adopt the non Calvinist view according to his tradition on the number of people for whom Christ died. Which is infinite. So wouldn't you say that many if not, most non reformed people today would have this oxymoronic understanding of the cross this paradox Where they're not really being consistent on this issue as far as what Christ did versus for whom he did it.

Right, and in fact, I heard a Nazarene a seminary professor.

Who Was.

Logically consistent in his Arminianism because he was rebuking his fellow Arminians for using the term substitutionary atonement.

And.

He said he said we cannot use that term because if Christ truly died as a substitute for every single human being that ever lived And ever will live every single person who ever lived and ever will lived will be saved.

So he understood the ramifications and the logical consistency of Arminianism as opposed to what he hears himself from most of those that would call themselves Arminian. And of course, I would say that most people who reject Reformed theology at least most that I know not all not certainly not all but most do not call themselves Arminian.

They prefer to just call them Biblicists as if their views are supported by the Bible.

But but.

There is you cannot consistently hold that Jesus died for every single human being unless you are a full-blown Universalist or a Calvinist and We're going to our midway break right now. I'm sorry not our midway break.

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Irresistible Grace, Common Grace, and the Well-Meant Offer

Welcome back. This is Chris Arnzen if you just tuned us in. Our guest today for the full two hours with about a little less than 90 minutes to go is Doug Kuiper who is professor of church history and New Testament at the reform of the Protestant Reformed Theological Seminary.

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Michigan and we are discussing the history of the Synod of Dort. If you'd like to join us on the air with a question of Your own our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com. Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

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The. The teaching of irresistible grace. That is a most misunderstood concept especially misunderstood by Arminians. Because they say how can you say you believe in an irresistible grace when people resist?

His grace his mercy. His teaching every day even the best of Christians sin. So therefore, how can you possibly say that grace is irresistible. They totally misunderstand what we're saying so. What if you could explain the true concept the truly reformed historically and biblically?

Concept of irresistible grace. And how did Jacob Arminius and his followers and those subsequent to him? distort this or. Respond to it in an in an opposite way.

Certainly not the men God wants them to let me also while you're looking and also repeat our email address.

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I was just saying that they misunderstand what we mean and from what I have always believed and understood as a reformed Christian after my Enlightenment if you will when God showed me the truth of the doctrines of sovereign grace or reformed theology is that ultimately God's grace is irresistible.

And when we are regenerate. When we are regenerate. When we are regenerated also we are Not going to become apostate ultimately, even if a Christian may stumble and fall and retreat into a season of Unrepentant sin for a period of time.

He will by God's mercy and grace get up and Repent and follow Christ. Once again, we don't believe in sinless perfectionism as Christians or as reformed Christians, but at the same time In regard to irresistible grace, we mean it will ultimately be irresistible and that we will In truth be brought to him at the end of life.

We will share heaven with him for eternity. If indeed we are truly regenerate so in that sense It's irresistible not that we don't sin not that we don't on occasion many occasions disobey him and not that when we were in our Pre-regenerate stage, of course, even the elect were not born regenerate.

There are Periods of life that differ between person and person but some people are saved on their deathbed at a hundred years old so therefore they have been resisting God all of that time until he brings them to eternal life and gives them the ability to believe and embrace the gospel.

So what I'm saying is in a nutshell it when we say irresistible grace.

We're referring to it ultimately are we not and I understand from.

From not only a fairly modern-day church history not not very recent history, but as far as the foundations of the Protestant Reformed denomination. That your denomination and its ministers Believe that even most of reformed theology today Has Adopted an understanding of grace that you believe to be flawed in that.

We do use grace in different ways that extend beyond salvific reasons like Common grace. I know that your your denomination opposes that that that phrase. Is it more than a semantical difference because those that I know who are reformed?

When they use the term common grace, which I think may have the term may have been coined by Abraham Kuyper. I'm not sure but They're not saying that that that type of grace is salvific they're just saying that God demonstrates Kindness on even the reprobate in that he is not living a life on earth that is filled with torment.

Necessarily he is blessed and you know, the rain falls upon the just and the unjust etc as the scriptures teach It. How is the use of grace in that way?

Being objected to by you and your denomination actually right is right. Our even like Romans 1 Go. Why in the world?

Now is the The interpretation of the Greek word for grace in a New Testament. Is that merely unmerited favor. Because obviously. Having a reprobate farmer have his crops fed with rain and have his family financially blessed and Taken care of in that way.

Yes, that is the good providence of God. But is it not also an unmerited? Kindness an unmerited favor toward towards these reprobate individuals.

Well again, I'm gonna deny that it's a fix. Okay, I Would love at some point on the show to have a friendly exchange between a member of the Protestant Reformed Church and.

Someone who disagrees on the common grace issue. But I can say that I do not agree with those that have cast the dispersion upon your denomination. That that is a hyper Calvinist teaching. I know that even a great hero of mine John Gerstner agreed with your denomination on that issue and John Gerstner, of course was a mentor to R .C. Sproul and James Montgomery Boyce and so on.

Right.

So and I know that he was a friend of our mutual friend David Engelsman who's been a guest on this program. So, but I think that would be an enlightening conversation. But I think I think that that the term hyper Calvinism should be left out of that.

I am I am convinced thoroughly that your denomination is not Hyper Calvinist, I know that you do proclaim the gospel to everyone that you come in and in contact with. Regardless of whether they are the most perverse of prostitutes or the most pious of preachers.

That every tribe tongue and people and nation are given the gospel. So there is no Some kind of hyper Calvinistic understanding in regard to evangelism.

Right. Okay. And we're gonna go to.

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