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We covered last week a good part of the show on Alistair Begg. And well, there's been more that has come out. Actually, when I talked to Drew about continuing basically based on the sermon that Alistair Begg did this Sunday, well, since then, a whole lot more has happened.

Like every day, there's been more. So we're going to talk about that. And I do want to continue in our response to Remnant Radio with their arguments against cessationism. They're trying to answer cessationist arguments.

So we want to get to their argument number two, which is that tongues, well, basically that tongues don't have to be known human languages. That will be their claim. And so we will see if they do a good job making that claim, we hope.

But that actually, there's, I have about 10, 12 clips from them averaging about 45 seconds to a minute. So yeah, that's going to be quite a bit. I don't know if we'll get through all of this tonight, but that's the goal.

Next week, the plan, at least, I'll just give you a heads up. I sent Drew an article that I had seen on the Epoch Times that was showing a possible link between transgenderism and violence. The mass shootings that we always hear about being such a bad thing and guns, those nasty guns do these things.

You know, one of the things that is common with that that they never want to talk about is, well, mental illness and people that have been on these drugs for many, many years. But just saying, it looks like some people are doing some studies and seeing that maybe some of that is also being tied to, well, what's being taught in the schools with transgenderism.

So we may talk about that next week and probably finish up more on responding of Remnant Radio. We're probably gonna do a little bit of responses to Remnant Radio each week, just a little bit. I will say for the record, I was gonna tell Drew this, it does seem that they've gone silent ever since I announced that we were gonna respond to them.

I don't think that's the reason why, but I downloaded 60 episodes and we haven't heard from them since. Let me bring in someone who is, he's basking there in the darkness, well, usually the sun of Florida, but Dr. Anthony Silvestro is here with us, in the beginning, God is what his shirt says.

That's right. Before we get into the topics, we usually do an in the news section. So I got a couple of things in the news and I brought Anthony in so we could see his response as well. But I don't know if you folks heard there was a one day hunger strike in support of Hamas and the Palestinians.

I'm really kind of in support of that. I just think they shouldn't stop it one day. I mean, do like a full month or go like Moses, do 40 days. Let's see you do a 40 day fast for Hamas. Fast from water too, just saying, just really lay it on and do a 40 day fast, no water, no nothing.

Let's see you do it. One day fast is four. I mean, Anthony, you and I, I do that like every week. What's the big deal?

Yeah, there's really no big deal to it. What I think should happen is that whether they fast for 40 days, like you suggest, or maybe kind of the way that's Texas and Florida shipped up a bunch of the illegal immigrants to New York.

How about we just let them have what they want and let's just ship them to Iran and let them have their fun. And while we're at it, everybody who is a communist in our country, let's just ship them to China or North Korea and let them bask in what they think is the best form of government possible.

Why are we here in America?

That's a really good point. Everyone that's supportive of Hamas and Gaza, we should ship them over and let them enjoy the beauty of Gaza. I mean, they got wonderful beaches, or at least they were when Israel kind of was in control, but those resorts are all gone.

We can start a GoFundMe for that and I'd be happy to put some money in for that.

Yeah. So, you know, one of the things I wanted to play, and this will trigger you, I saw this on Matt Walsh, but this is like two minutes from Matt Walsh. I want to play this for everyone to see. This is, now, you know, folks, we tend to think that, you know, those of us who try very hard to work hard and, you know, we don't realize how easy we have it.

You know, Anthony, you had your own practice as a dentist. You were working like 13-hour days every day. And I don't know that you realize, you know, this new generation, they really have it hard. You will realize after listening to this person that you just had it easy and you're not holding up your end of a bargain.

I'm not sure what that bargain is, but let's just, let's let this person say it in their own words to see how hard they have it in life. Let's listen.

We need to stop expecting the same damn people who bought a four-bedroom home and a brand new Cadillac convertible off of a $30 ,000 a year salary working at Perkins to understand what it's like to be working 40-plus hours a week with a master's degree and still not being able to afford a studio apartment in Iowa.

Okay. I don't care if you're a boomer, if you're a gen X, if you're a f*****g dad in the crowd, I don't give a s**t. Nobody likes to work 40-plus hours a week. No one likes it. Okay. If that were true, we wouldn't have so many of you trying to become billionaires so that you can one day pay people to do that work for you.

So you don't have to do it. We're not crying. We're not getting any... Wait, does it sound like he's not crying?

Just remember, he says we're not crying. Remember that line because I think he's going to contradict himself. Well, he or she, I don't know because the person who originally said it was a girl, but it looks like a guy.

I don't know these days.

Yes, we can. We do it every day. We're holding up our end of the deal, right? We're staying in school. Okay. We're going to college. Okay. We've been working since we were 15, 16 years old. We've built a huge line of credible references doing everything that y 'all told us to do so that we can what?

Still be living at our parents' early twenties? Millennials and Gen Z are working more than any other generation ever has. It's a fact. We are more educated than any other generation. Also a fact. We are also making considerably and disproportionately much less than any other generation has.

Also a fact. That is kind of... I know people in their mid-thirties who have been working for 20 years. That's like 70 of their waking life. They have been working and they still cannot afford to purchase their first home.

And I don't live in New York or LA. I live in Minnesota. Minnesota. That is why some of us are crying. That's why some of us are angry because this is annoying. We're holding up our end of the deal and someone on the other side is holding up their end and it's annoying.

If boomers and Gen X experienced what it's like to work as much as they did and get nothing in return, they wouldn't be able to sit across from us and go, oh my god, I feel you. This is so sh**. You know what?

Some of you are capable of cultivating empathy and I appreciate you, but those of you who have nothing to say but sh** judgments and calling us entitled, f**k you because you don't get it.

Okay. Well, I'm really glad that he wasn't judging. So, so, so we, we, Anthony, you and I, we just, we just do not understand how hard it is to work 40 plus hours a week. And I agree with that person.

I don't know what it's like to work like 40 plus hours a week. Cause I work like about 80 to 90 on average.

So I would say you work a ton.

Yeah. I would love to only work 40, nine to five. Hey, bring it. Like I get it. I don't know what it's like for this person. And he's way smart. I mean, so the millennials are according to him, the smartest, the most educated.

Hmm. I would like to see the millennials of today put someone on the moon. In fact, you know, recent studies have shown you and think about this folks, just a generation ago, who was it in their twenties and thirties that were just coming up with the ingenious technologies, right?

You have Steve jobs, you have Bill Gates, you have Elon Musk. Where are those guys today? We're the 20 and 30 year olds that are like breaking new barriers with technology and education. They, they don't exist because they're too busy trying to figure out if they're a boy or a girl or on video games or social media.

So those people don't exist and there's, and he wants us to believe they're the smartest. They work the hardest. Now I may agree with this person. They probably do get paid less like all of us did when we were that age.

I mean, I, yes, I make more now than I did when I was 20 and 30. Uh, yep, that's true. But I don't, but I, I'm sure that I made less money at his age or her age, whichever, you know, then they're making today, you know, you know, most of us.

Had parents who, who we watched grow up and, uh, and, and they had the small either apartment or small house. And then they worked their way up through life. Right. Those of us who, I guess that in life, you don't get the big house right off the bat.

You don't get the cushy or job with higher pay right off the bat. Like you actually have to earn something in life. And a lot of this generation today, the two gen buys to Gen Z's seem to think that it should all come at once.

It's, it's, you know, we call this the entitlement generation, don't we? And, uh, and on top of that, they've gone to colleges where, I mean, look, Andrew, you, you majored in something that actually would make money one day in your career.

I majored in something that would actually do something in my career. What we didn't do is, is get majors in underwater basket weaving or in gender studies, which I mean, a nine year old has a better idea on gender than most college students today, because they look in a mirror.

You know, I mean, it's insane what we are having to deal with. Now I will say this, this is, this is the big farce with colleges today. You know, when I graduated, I'm going to date myself a little bit.

When I graduated from a small liberal arts school in 1990, the average salary of a college graduate was $38 ,000 a year. I remember that. And from what I just heard, the average college graduate today, their starting salary is somewhere between 34 ,000.

So in the, in, in the last 25 years, it is actually gone down, not keeping up with inflation, not anything. It's, it's actually gone down now. Why, why is that? Well, I think that we have colleges that have dumbed down society.

We have colleges that have allowed people to do whatever they want to do in terms of college. It doesn't actually prepare them for the real world. And I think the worst part of all this is, is you, and as you and I have both done in college campuses, I find it to be sad and hysterical at the same time that students go to college and, and these college professors all tell them that communism is the best way capitalism is, is horrific.

And yet these same colleges that are teaching this are using capitalism in order to make as much money as they can off these students without any care whatsoever about what they're going to do in their lives.

Yeah. It's the, it's the height of hypocrisy. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Melissa says these kids are getting useless degrees and wonder why they can't find a job. Well, that's the point, you know? She also says, if Gen Z wants to fix it, stop voting for Democrats.

Yeah. Here's the thing, you know, an interesting thing I thought of today, you ever think about this? Both Democrats and Republicans want to live under conservative values. It's just that the Democrats don't want you to know that, right?

When, when you look at the way their, their life is, where do they do? You have Black Lives Matter. Where did they all move to? They moved to conservative areas and, and they want to live under conservative principles, but then they promote the very opposite.

And so that promotion only helps those that are in power, right? Those that, that are the elite, they don't have to live under the things they, they push. And that, that becomes a thing. So I, I saw that on, on Matt Walsh.

I was like, oh, we, we got to play that, you know, because I find it just so interesting. The, the other thing I wanted to bring up is there was a court case recently in New York. And if some of you guys remember during the Black Lives Matter riots, there were two New York City or New York City attorneys that were caught making, well, basically bombs, you know, pouring alcohol into bottles, putting a cloth in it, and then tossing that at police officers, police cars, buildings.

And so these were lawyers. Well, they got basically a slap on the wrist. It wasn't very much of a sentence. Um, because the judge, um, well, they, they, they were asked to understand what they had to go through, uh, and, and try to understand the trials of COVID and the injustice that Black Lives Matter was standing for.

Really? Well, you know, we, we saw two years of protests and riots. And when a bunch of people said they wanted an audit of an election on January 6th, well, yeah, those guys are still in prison, not having their, their court day in court.

Uh, those people have been sentenced to 20, 30 years, even those who didn't 24 years for a person who wasn't even in DC. Right. So it's just amazing. Oh, we got it. We got to consider what, what they were suffering.

Well, we don't do that with everyone else. So, uh, so just some things that were in the news for us to, to have some Christian views on how do we, how do we think about this? Well, the reality is we expect the world to follow their father and we know who their father is.

Scripture makes it clear that they are, Jesus said that they're liars because their father is the father of lies. And that's why they have to lie to people. Um, and so, uh, let's see, we had a comment I saw earlier, uh, where are they fighting against government regulations and, and inflation to start their own businesses?

Yeah, they're, they're not fighting. You know, it was one thing with that, that video that I find so interesting is he says, he's not, he, she says not an entitlement mentality and yet it's like, poor me, I have to work more than 40 hours and I'm not making as much as I want.

And it's someone else's fault, right? It's the boomers fault. Now we talked about it like almost as if there was like this contract, right? The boomers are telling them they have to stay in school and then work nine to five.

And somehow the boomers didn't keep their end of the bargain. What bargain, what bargain did we make on Gen Z that we had where they're supposed to, you know, they're supposed to, uh, you know, do what get paid really well to do nothing, get, get a nice house and not have to work for it.

I mean, just saying I had to work hard for folks who don't know my background. I was homeless at it for a while. And so, yeah, I worked hard to, to get the house I live in, the cars that I drive, the things that I own.

It wasn't handed to me. I worked for it. That's what this person doesn't want to have to do. So with that, uh, let's, let's get into talking about, uh, Alistair Begg. And we got a comment that came up early that I'm going to, I'll put up now, but, um, it says if Al, if Begg wasn't, if Begg weren't a Calvinist, would the Calvinist be so merciful to him?

What if he were a faithful minister of the gospel for as long as Alistair Begg? Um, now I, I'm not sure I fully understand the question because the first part, yeah, the second part, the first part, um, I, and I'm going to talk about this as I did last time.

I don't see Calvinists being merciful to him. In fact, I see the Calvinists being harder on him. Uh, and that, that might be one of my more, one of my critiques, but, uh, the, but if it were a faithful minister of the gospel for 40 years, as long as Alistair, I don't understand the second.

Part of the question. Maybe you can rephrase it. If what he means. Yeah. I'm wondering if he means if somebody who's not a Calvinist was as faithful, was a faithful minister of the gospel as Alistair Begg was for 40 years, how would the Calvinist treat him?

I, it might be what he's asking. Okay. Yeah. So I've been thinking about, about this a lot. I know we've texted, you know, Julie, my wife texted you a few times and, uh, you know, she's been bouncing a lot of things off of me with, with this as well and whatnot.

The first thing I want to say is this, Alistair claims to be not only a Calvinist, but a high view of the sovereignty of God. Right. And yet his whole premise of why a grandmother should go to a theoretical homosexual wedding is to leave a door open for the gospel.

And like, well, if you, if you believe in the sovereignty of God, don't you believe that God will find a way for the gospel to still permeate in, in that situation to show up at a wedding. And I'm calling it very loosely right now.

Yeah. Yeah.

Well, let's lay back up for some folks because our folks who, uh, are not on social media, uh, because I know some that asked what, what is going on? Like, why are we talking about Alistair Begg? Uh, when, when the show, cause last week it didn't mention Alistair in the show, in the show title this week it did.

So some people were like, what's up with Alistair? And a lot of people were answering, uh, that, those people, but so, so let's start back in Alistair Begg did an interview. He was asked the question he said in, in, in that, that he knew, and there's a couple of key things I'm trying to point out with it.

And we point out some last week as well. He knew that not everyone was going to agree with the advice he gave. So I'm saying that to say, this is something he did think through. Uh, but he got a letter from a grandmother wanting to go to either a same sex wedding or trans wedding.

I think if I remember correctly, it was a trans wedding where they were both trans, which I kind of go, okay. So that's just like, that's really not a same sex wedding. Yeah. Yeah. And so, and I'm just going to apologize, folks.

Anthony is, is got the internet is a little bit like if it's choppy, it's cause he's, he's not too spot with great internet, just so you know. Um, yeah, he is relaxing in the, in the nice weather. They're not freezing up.

So he, so Alistair Begg got, was asked about attending, you know, a same sex wedding, transgender wedding, this grandmother, he, he, now what he prefaced was, he did acknowledge that the grandmother talked to the grandson and or granddaughter.

I don't know what's the, which one was the biological. So I'm going to go with grandson cause that's how I kind of remember it, but I didn't know if that's the, so if, if I get that wrong, it's not me caving on transgenderism.

It's me being ignorant of the full details there. Uh, we have someone who's asking who's Alistair Begg. So Alistair Begg is a pastor in Anthony's backyard. Um, just saying, but he's, he's, uh, he's a pastor up in Ohio, uh, Cleveland, Ohio area.

Very well known, uh, was previously on 1500 radio stations, at least from American family radio, 1800, 1800. So, so that's who Alistair is. Uh, and so the advice he gave this grandmother is, Hey, look, you've already talked to the grandson.

You've explained that this is a sin, that this is not good. You don't endorse it, but for the sake of grace, for the sake of love, do what, what they won't expect, go to this wedding and even give a gift because they won't expect that that will, that will shock them.

Now, uh, following that he, there was an interview. I did not hear that interview with American family radio, uh, where he did not back away from, from that advice that he gave. And so the family, American family radio, uh, removed him from 1800, uh, stations.

Uh, and so he then did a sermon and I'm going to touch with some of the things on, on the sermon and why we're talking about this again, because there were some things in the sermon and I did go kind of back and forth.

There's one thing with this. So first off, let me, let me, for the record, just state, as I stated last week, I don't agree with the advice Alistair gave. Uh, I was in that exact situation with my cousin, uh, where she was wanting to marry another woman and invited me to the wedding.

And, and she even said, I know you're probably not going to come, but I want to invite you anyway. And she, so she knew why I wasn't going to come. And I said to her, I said, yeah, I won't. I said, you know, and, and so what I asked her, I said this, I said, do you believe in a separation of church and state?

Well, yeah. Okay. Well see, marriage is a church issue, not a state issue. The state has taken it over, but it's really a religious ceremony. And so I, I'm not going to go to something that's not, that's abhorrent to God and say, well, I'm going to go and, you know, and it's not about the celebration.

It's, it's not, you know, it's the fact of, again, as I said last week, and we'll get into this week, this watershed issue where the LGBT are shoving it in our faces to force us to say, you must celebrate my lifestyle.

You must celebrate my sin. You not only can you not say it's wrong, you have to celebrate it. And that's why this is becoming a watershed issue. We'll get into that in a few minutes, what a watershed issue is and why this is that.

But what has, one of the things, I mean, look, Alistair Begg for over 40 years, solid ministry. He just got done preaching through Romans 1, was very clear against homosexuality. I don't know of anything else that I've ever heard negative of Alistair Begg.

Now, granted, everyone's going to have something and, you know, so it's not that there's nothing, but I haven't heard of any major scandal. This happened back in September. It just popped up now where everyone's addressing it.

Maybe it just didn't get enough airtime. People didn't know about it. That's, you know, that's extremely possible. So I don't know why that happened, but there's a couple of things to think about with this.

I listened to Alistair's message on Sunday, and I actually kept going back and forth because I listened to it a couple of times. And the first time through, one of the things that did get me to think is, you know, it seemed, and I'm still not a hundred percent sure whether Alistair Begg knew this grandmother, because at one point he's talking as if this is someone like in his congregation.

They sent this letter and he said he waited on it for a while, like a week or something before responding. Now, but later in that message, he mentions that a person he's never met before. So I'm not sure who's the person he never met before.

Was that the grandmother or the grandson? That I wasn't sure. But one thing I'm going to caveat this is he did say, and I think there's some people who I've been watching a lot of people's responses to this.

There's some people who I think twisted what he had said, but he said in maybe to, in another situation, I would have different advice. And so I'm sitting, taking a step back and trying to be fair and saying, okay, maybe he knows this grandmother.

Maybe he knows the family. He knows some history there. And there's something he's saying for this family, he would give advice he would never give to anyone else. Now, I know people were trying to twist that to say, oh, this is shows that he's just, you know, having a situational ethics or trying to twist things to, to, you know, um, be nuanced things.

I think what he was just saying is, you know, there's not always one piece of advice to give to everybody. I mean, there's something that you may give advice to one person different than another, because you know, the situation's better.

And so for example, I'll give a, for instance, uh, there was someone I knew that struggled with pornography, but wanted to evangelize outside an area where there were topless women. Well, you know what, maybe for some people, you know, sharing the gospel outside of a strip place is not a problem, but for someone who has, who currently is, is sitting there and saying they currently have a problem with pornography.

No, you definitely shouldn't be evangelizing outside of there, right? Because there's a temptation you're already struggling with. So, so a situation can have different advice just for the record. Uh, I already said that.

I don't think it was good advice to give. I it's not advice I would give. Um, and so the, the thing though is, is there could be a case where there's things he knows within his church that he's not going to share to the public that he's not, there's no reason he needs to, but there may be something he knows that is entirely possible, right?

I will state that I don't have all the information. Why? Because I don't even know who the grandmother is, right? I mean, I don't know all the players. Uh, I would find, I, I, I will say, I can't think of a reason to say that someone should do this, go to a, a, a trans wedding or same sex wedding, uh, and buy a gift.

I think there's other ways you can do it. Look, I did it with, with my cousin. They knew I explained why I wasn't going to go. I was said, I'd be happy to get together, take you guys out for dinner, talk.

See, there's plenty of other ways I can share the gospel then at a wedding. And there's plenty of other ways I can show love and support. My cousin and I have a perfectly good relationship today. We, we, because I didn't go to the wedding, she didn't cut me off.

She didn't say, that's it. I'm not talking to you. In fact, it's what she expected. But the fact that I would, after that, I actually worked harder to keep communication lines open. We have a good relationship.

Even when I would do shows in the past. And I would talk about homosexuality because I knew she watches the shows. She watches what I do. And I would say, Hey, next week, I'm going to be talking about, you know, homosexuality.

If you want to offer your opinions, I'm happy to hear it. I would tell her ahead of time. Right. So that she's not caught off guard. And so there's a sort of what you said, Anthony, when you believe in God's sovereignty, you believe that.

And I think Justin Peters did a, he did two episodes as well. He did an episode with Dan Phillips to discuss some of this. Now I will say Drew's not here, but as Drew and I talked about it, Drew really wanted to focus in with one thing with Alistair's sermon.

And that was more of a hermeneutical issue. His sermon was a sermon looking for a text and the text didn't fit. It was a horrible job of hermeneutics. He basically took the parable of the prodigal sons to try to say that we need to show grace.

Now, do we need to show grace? Yes. We need to show love to all people. Not a problem. Many ways of doing that. But the text that he used, it was very clear at the end that he wanted to make, he wanted to preach on Sunday about all of the social media activities.

James White made the point that Alistair probably doesn't even watch the social media. He's probably not on it. It's what people are telling him was happening. So he's responding to that. And so there was a point in the response that it seems James White pointed out that like, he may, he's not answering the real issues, but you don't know if he's actually read the issues or just is responding to what he's hearing from the people who are relaying it back.

Why the Alistair Begg Controversy Became a Watershed Issue

Okay. So I am trying to give as much grace as I can in areas where we can give grace. And that was his whole point, right? Is grace. Now, one thing I would say is, if this is, you know, a lot of people are saying, and I saw on my wall, and I'll talk about where I saw it, but a lot of people are questioning his salvation.

So, so I'm going to say that there's, there's two extremes here. Is what he did wrong? Yeah. I don't think it was good advice. Are there people that are, I think there's Christians that have become so critical.

I, you know, I, I think part of it is like, okay, so Anthony, you and I have talked about this in the past. Why is it that like, all of a sudden Christians are believing so many conspiracy theories like flat earth.

Okay. Let me, let me, let me just, we're headed out to the open air theology conference. I am shocked to find out how many Christians are believing in Bigfoot. Bigfoot is an evolutionary thought. You want to believe in Bigfoot, just remember it comes out of evolution, but, but why is that?

Well, I think a big reason why so many Christians are starting to buy into flat earth, and there was no moon landing and all this stuff is because, well, during COVID everything else that you thought was a conspiracy turned out to be true.

And so they're starting to go like, well, what else was true? What else is the government lying about? Well, the reality is if you really want to buy into that stuff, just for the record, notice how much the government actually got away with, with COVID.

Yeah. Nothing because the things that they were trying to cancel us for, for saying masks don't work. Vaccines won't don't work all this. Yeah. That ends up being a case where they couldn't keep it under wraps because the evidence came out.

So flat earth. Yeah. The government's not keeping it from you. Moon landing. The government's not key. Like someone would spill the beans. I had, I had someone, Anthony, who is very much someone I know very much in favor of the vaccines thought that, you know, said to me, I'm not going to judge you, but I can't believe you're not going to get the vaccine.

So someone who said they didn't want to be around me because I, you know, cause I wasn't vaccinated and was nervous. And just a few weeks ago turned to me and said, you know what? You were right the whole time.

It's like, I should have been listening to you. Right. But there's this, there, I think that within Christianity, we have swung so critically that there's, there's an extremist on both sides. You have Alistair Begg so concerned about grace that he's giving bad advice.

And then the flip side where people are so quick to throw him under the bus to claim he's not saved. I mean, I had more than a half dozen people that just quoted Matthew 7, 21 to 23. And what are they saying there?

The claim is that he's claiming to be a Christian and doing all these works for God, but not a believer. And, and so just based on this advice now, if, if, is he an Andy Stanley is Alistair Begg and Andy Stanley?

Well, not yet, at least. I mean, I don't think he ever will be, but for the people who are just there, they're comparing him to Andy Stanley. You know, when Andy Stanley first made some bad statements, people went, huh.

Okay. Mark, mark this person, watch this person. So, so when you have squirrel chatter, which is one of the podcasts on the Christian podcast community, uh, who says, and we had other podcasters that said the same thing that Alistair Begg was just in their mind marked from a, you know, a favorable recommended resource to, you know, listen with consideration, listen with some, you know, with a little bit of warning.

Okay. In other words, they're, they're more, that's not mark and avoid. They're just saying, mark them, you know, watch to see where the trajectory is going. Now, if we see, we see a lot more of this, if this continues this behavior, yeah, maybe it gets to a point you mark and avoid.

Right. Um, and so I think that calling him unsaved, um, is, is a bit too far now, Anthony, I know you, you had some things you wanted to, I was going there for a bit, but I will give you a chance to speak up while I read the comments.

Responding to the Alistair Begg Sermon and the Call for Grace

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