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You want me to announce it or you want to go? Well, well, how about if I give it a shot?

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Hey everybody it is November 11 or November 8th 2018 we're listening to apologetics live.

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This is the seventh one. I guess apologies live zero zero seven. So that's good we get a lot more going and Welcome.

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So if you got questions you got comments you want to talk about something give us a you know jump in the room here and also

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I'm going to put the link up for the I'm gonna do it myself the

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Video Then I can watch it and see if anybody is is texting and various whatever we talk about commenting.

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Yeah So how you been man? Not too bad. Yeah, just been busy

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Plugging away with work and all that, but I just had today off and yesterday off.

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So I just Kind of chilling out relaxing Good Yeah, but looking forward to tonight and like I said,

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I already gave the link over to The Roman Catholic page.

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I don't know if other people gonna show up, but we'll see we do have right now

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Tanya On right now with us. She's muted, but I did

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Tanya or Tanya. Well, it's it's to in Hey, oh, she's gone.

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Yes left. Oh Somebody did not like that.

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But anyway, so I'm going through the apologize life Facebook group page where all the questions are at and There is one question from Nancy Jackson that that did call

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I did right She says okay folks. Here's my question. Women are not to serve as pastors or elders and And to teach men in church and the husband as spiritual authority over the wife then

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What are women allowed to do? Besides besides teach other women and children.

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How does this affect teaching the lost including men about salvation? well, they can make sandwiches for the guys and Yeah, I Love doing that I get myself.

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Yeah, I know. No, I just say it's trouble taking myself a whole No, they could do anything and everything in the church except for being teaching authority over men, that's what it is

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There's lots of things in the church that people do men as well there's Music there's janitorial.

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There's cooking. There's cleaning their setup. There's takedown. There's visitations there's

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I Helping out with deaconate kind of thing in that giving out canned foods

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There's all kinds of stuff that can be done for just a teaching authority. Exactly in my church, you know, we have female deacons, you know deaconesses

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Which I I don't have a problem with at all. I think that that'd be fine. They can serve in that manner I usually just narrow it down to the point where it's like I Feel like women

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Within the church, it should not be able to teach behind the pulpit. That's for sure. Or maybe that's

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Yeah, I know there's also yeah, so I mean that when you narrow it down that way it kind of opens up More opportunities,

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I think for women to see and seek but you know women can still preach the gospel They can still teach and you know, they can still

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Be in classrooms and and be able to share their you know their knowledge It's you know, it's yeah, we back in seminary.

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We had a week I mentioned survey now and then we had a week where it was open. All the classes were opened up to the public and I supposed to go get this one woman who's gonna speak.

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I forgot I was embarrassed but She came and they flew her in from someplace to teach a class during seminary

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For on the topic of what can women do in the church? And I thought this would be great I need to go to this what an awesome topic the place was packed and I was the only male in the entire class and that was a real problem, so Let's see to look doctors are grace match looks presence is weak and his speech contemptible.

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Yes. He is in good company I don't know who that is No, it's a tulip

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No, he said it was a tulip doctrines of grace, okay, that's slick's presence is

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Weak and I don't know what he's referring to anyway, so, um okay, so yeah, and it was really it really bothered me a lot that the it was

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There weren't any other men in the church and this was you know classes for people being pastors, of course you want to go there

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So I think some of the guys did not like the idea of a woman teaching them I have no problem with that. You know, they can teach they have lots of stuff to teach us

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They just can't be in teaching authority of men in the church and a seminary without the church That's all

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So, right All right. Yeah with us tonight. We actually have

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Chris K dub Williams, which he was there the other the other week when we had the vocab alone with us and Chris actually showed up along with his friend brother

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Jay and after dealing with Chris and Being having

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Chris around I've really taken a liking with his ministry that he's been involved with he's been doing the the black keeper is like it's in fact, he recently just had a debate

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Matt with with one particular black keeper is light and who's

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That would be Chris right here the guy who's in our

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Hang out where's debated him good. Yeah, Chris debated. Just one black keeper is a light guy and so the funny thing was in Chris put a highlight video of it and the guy the black keeper is a light actually

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Chris how did he how did he word it? He said something like The the words of Paul are inspired, but they're they're not

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God -breathed. Is that what he said? I can't remember what it was. Go ahead. He was he was trying to make the argument,

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I guess that Paul's Post letters are inspired but they're but they're they're lies

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Essentially is what he said and so they're inspired and their lives. Yeah, that's My next question and then he proceeded to tell me, you know, that's why white people are deceiving me and so I was like How would he know if white people are deceiving him because he'd be deceived he wouldn't know he's being deceived

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So, how would he know? Yeah, there's many questions You know based, you know, we were having a debate on justification

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But you know, I was arguing we're saved by faith apart from works Romans 328, which he said is false and so yeah, so he said

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Paul was a liar, but he's still a good brother and Well, actually was Paul black

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That's a good question to ask because he probably would say yeah, but he said Paul was a liar

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Peter was a liar and Luke was a liar What do you know that they're liars, how does he know this?

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well Yeah, that's a good question. Well his Because of his misunderstanding of the

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Old Testament and so any anything new Can't be true from you know from his perspective, you know, you can't you can't add to what has already been said.

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Well, I Guess Christ's got to be a liar, too. I mean Yeah, wow

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It's funny cuz he actually was saying something to the fact of Paul was not an apostle Right, even though his letters all said that he was but he was he was saying

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You find another apostle who claimed Paul to be an apostle And Peter said that Paul's writings were inspired

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Exactly. That's what that's what Chris brought it. Yeah He said well it was a silly argument and that I think

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I showed how he said he didn't say it was scripture He called it a letter Yeah Well, that's that's good because that's exactly what it is so he's agreeing with the

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Apostle Paul and Peter that it's a letter and he said it was inspired So I would ask him what inspiration means it means it's without error.

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That's what it comes from God So if it's inspired, but it's lies then God inspired lies. So he's accusing God of sin

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Yeah, that's I mean I did ask him, you know, how can you have inspired infallible lies?

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If if you admit that it's inspired and it's you know, the author is ultimately God not

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Paul essentially yeah, you would be accusing God of of You know inspiring lies preserving lies.

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I mean, there's there's a whole bunch of can of worms that comes from that What's the just remember in inspiration they can record lies?

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So, you know the Satan lied other people lied and deception so it'll record them That's different than saying

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Paul the Apostle was teaching lies, which I'd like to know is like, okay So he's inspired of God to teach

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Lies right not recording a lie as in someone else said it but he said but God is now inspiring him to do this that's

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Yeah This is what you got to do this apologetic technique, dude I mean Chris you gotta do this you gotta say take your right hand and put it in front of your face

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Yeah, I should have tried that one Because this guy was well he since then, you know going to say that I put words in his mouth

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And all his cult followings are accusing me of actually saying I was saying Paul lied

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So he has quite a bit of a cult following So much heresy so little time yeah very much yeah much

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Matt so while he while Chris is here. Do you have any questions for him about? About any of the

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Black Hebrews light stuff or I mean Man I mean look at that Brody there.

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Yeah, I shave the night me too of a little I know we have you met yet.

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Yeah, I was in the last weeks With the Black Hebrews light and we met when you came to Texas and debated

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We're smiling it's smallly and They'll hunty. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah, I was in the audience for that. Sorry, man. I remember Memorable face, so it's all right

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You know, it was traumatizing there Which which debate were you at?

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I was at the Delahunty debate, okay, and went

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I Thought it went. Uh, I thought it went. I thought it went great. I mean, I mean he has no argument for solipsism.

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Oh to me so You don't wanna he doesn't want to go down that route, but he doesn't have any answer for it

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Well, what's you gonna do? All right, that's right Okay, there we go turn my phone off to get a charge better Yeah, I haven't done any debates for a while because my wife's been not feeling well, so She actually is certain to just this past week starting to Seem a little bit better than doing stuff.

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But anyway, that's a whole other topic. But but yeah So maybe we'll be getting back into stuff. I've got to put the house up for sale in March So I'll probably a commission for another six months to maybe even a year who knows before I get back into doing debates and stuff

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So, I don't know whatever but where do you live? I live in a Texas I'm in the Dallas area.

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Oh Dallas area. Okay. I used to live in Wichita Falls when I was a kid. Oh Yeah during 1964 man, it was a gnarly

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In through there. Oh, man, it ripped things up and I remember seeing it to other bedroom window.

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Yikes It's bad news It's dangerous Say it's dangerous over there.

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I just Living in Texas So Ready comment.

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I mean I got nothing about the VH. Okay. Okay, you know any questions about that?

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I can go back to the apologetics live Facebook group and see if there's any other questions

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Or Chris if you have any questions for Matt, that'd be In the chat room.

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One of the guys is asked about partialism. I wanted it explain and stuff So I could talk about that really quickly partialism deals with the the doctrine of the

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Trinity or the nature of God in saying that the Father the Son the Holy Spirit are three parts and That each one is not fully and completely divine and God But that the three in totality

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By each other parts some summed up Are what God is and that's a heresy

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So that they it's like saying that That when they're okay

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This way when each part is with the other part all other two parts then

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God is complete and God is totally what he is. So partialism would negate the

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Seity and indivisibility of God by saying that there's parts that come together to become

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God and The true living God that's that's heretical bad news Okay Another question that I come across here in the apologetics live thing

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Would you object to a female military chaplain That's a tough one

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In generically speaking If I were in the military and as a female chaplain,

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I would probably not recognize Ecclesiastically her position but they usually have rank of an officer and up so You have to recognize their authority in that context.

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So it'd be a tight line to walk but I Would have problems with it and dealing with it that you know bit by bit would be interesting, right?

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Yeah, you know I've served in the Navy and we never had a female chaplain that I did come across but But it's funny because some of the chaplains that I've that I've had under me

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While I was in the Navy, it was pretty funny Yeah, but you know one some, you know, there's one or two that I had that were just really good examples

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But I remember there's one guy that was a chaplain of my first ship and he was one of those kind of weird guys

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Who who just like, you know? Just really didn't

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Live like a chaplain. He didn't have a very good example I mean he'd hang out with the other sailors smoking cigarettes with them and you know

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Swearing and all that kind of stuff. And I was like, man, what the you're a chaplain Yeah, I Thought about going into the military as a chaplain

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I had my bachelor's at the time and I was thinking about doing that and entertained it for a while, but never did

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But I would have I would have gone in as I think they started a lieutenant I'm not sure how it works, but which branch

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But never did I knew that there'd be a lot of problems because I'm so biblically minded That the compromises were not something

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I'd be able to do. So I decided not to I think that's what it was But anyway for those who can you know, they do that they serve their people.

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So that's good Yeah, I'm surprised no one has showed up yet.

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What the heck is going on around here? That's all right Yeah, we'll go What the heck

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I Myself it should be right on apologetics live .com

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Actually that forwards to a page on karma Link is there the participation link is there should be there.

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Yeah, I refreshed it It says yeah participant link and it's Highlightable you can click on it.

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Okay, join so surprised

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Get in there bring their questions Yeah, I'll do that so, you know you guys have heard about the shooting right in,

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California, I Heard something about there was a shooting down there

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I just saw a headline out of it. I didn't really read the details, but Was it a school shooting or what?

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Was it the bar? Wilson bar and this guy killed 12 people and 12 people

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Over 300 people have Been killed in shootings so the left is going to use this as Another reason to get rid of guns altogether.

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Oh, yeah, and but what gets me is They keep asking the question and are too stupid to know the answer

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They ask the question. Why do these things happen? and they don't realize that Secularism does not provide a guard over the heart but Christianity does

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They took God out of schools God out of the workplace God out of politics

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God out of our entertainment God almost out of churches and It's certainly out of society and when you have godlessness

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There what happens is that void is filled by relativism

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Immorality various sins and forms of sins and so Wicked things happen and then the what the the left does

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Try and pass more laws in order to stop the problem that they themselves are contributing to And this is really to me.

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It's it's real simple. What they need to do is Get religion

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Christianity back into our country Of course, they will never want to do that. But that's what needs to happen

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Anyway, it's just I was looking at I was really engrossed with it for a little bit once That's why I was a little bit late getting in here tonight is, you know, just another shooting

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Oh, and of course in California and not that I'll be careful. I would say this but You know here in Idaho you can carry guns anywhere and except for federal buildings

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And so I carry everywhere I go And one of the things you don't hear about in Idaho is mass shootings

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It gets really happen, I mean somebody could take you know, plot shots from places there's plenty of places in Boise and things like that but You know, it's when we know this when guns are removed from an area and bad guys have got guns

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That's what's going to happen, you know Anyway, it's just something you know, a lot of people are thinking about it a lot of people are dealing with it.

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It's it's unfortunate You know Yeah, so some look at he says biblical

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Christianity says in Australia it hardly happens it was mass shootings and I Guess that's true

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So what did the same thing happen here in America if all guns were confiscated I Don't believe so personally, but People do crimes and country running other guys are from marine.

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I think yeah, he was you know, he's a former Marine. I Enjoyed the discussion with Ryan on the atonement.

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Oh on the radio today. Yeah Andrew Graham, okay.

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Anyway, so what do you guys want blab? Okay, so there's more questions or issues on the Facebook page.

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I Am looking here and there is one here where someone Chris Hudson asked earlier a few days ago

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I have a question in regards of the kind of positions in the church when I was sharing the gospel yesterday there was a guy who

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I interacted with who said that he was right with God since he

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He was the president of his church I'm not sure What religious group he was part of so I was wondering if anyone in here would know

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So just because you're a president of a church doesn't mean that you're you're right with God The only president

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I know of a so -called churches the Mormon Church the president is the prophet Right, yeah,

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I was gonna say I've never heard of a president of a church. I know there's pastors and assistant pastors and elders and and such but Yeah, yeah

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Yeah, I don't know. It's whacked. It's a weird. Yeah It's a strange phrasing

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Let's see, what else is there So what do you guys think of this? You know something is I'm gonna have to do something on tag here pretty soon.

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I was hoping that were they atheists would come in and Discuss tag the transcendental argument for God's existence

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They've been saying that it's been refuted But it has not been refuted and I keep on the atheists

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It's not been refuted and I invite them and I still am inviting them to come in here and have a discussion on the issue and see if they can defend their position, but they don't do that that reminds me when

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I was down in May and Phoenix area Vocab Malone, I think was vocab who took me.

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I think it was vocab. I don't know if he was even in the room because sir a professor who is an atheist who was

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He had a weekly meeting in his house They discussed all kinds of things I had all kinds of people come in and talk and we went there and it was it was great but a great discussion

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And Remember something about that with the tag came up and one of the guys was a philosopher there said tag had been refuted and I said really how and He couldn't articulate how it had been refuted because It hasn't been refuted

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But I was hoping some atheists would come in and want to discuss that but I guess they're not going to Point to slow night tonight isn't it a little bit?

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Yeah Yeah Yeah, I mean they've been saying that for four years now,

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I mean ever since you had your conversation with Alex Malpass I don't know how long ago that was got two years ago two and a half years and You you know, there was a lot of going back and forth

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There was a lot of misunderstanding and there's a lot of talking past each other during that that conversation

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And so I think because of that they all think oh see Alex, you know

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He schooled you and then all that kind of stuff But I think there was a lot of miscommunication once after talking for like two hours

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You guys finally did I understand what he was getting at? yeah, you finally understood what was happening and then you know, then it kind of went on from there, but But it never really went anywhere beyond that because you know, we had a in the show, right?

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So it's kind of frustrating that you guys didn't really get together again But ever since then though they said oh, but Alex, you know, he he defeated you and I was like, no he didn't there was no

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There wasn't any any Counter argument, you know, you didn't give him a chance right or he didn't really get a chance to encounter, right?

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it's the view the way he put it that he says Matt what you're saying is this and It was either

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God or not. God. So it create is a necessary precondition for intelligibility So it's either a or not a so it's not a so therefore it's not a

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Or no. No, it was you have a or not a so just do this way G or not

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G God or not God and So the not not God means it's

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God That was that was the argument. So he says that makes it what you called.

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He called it trivial So you have you have go back to a because that's how it was it was a or not a

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So you have two things a or not a but when it's not not a the not a position is negated

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Therefore a is left over and he says and that's just Repeating itself. He says so that's not a valid argument

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That's how he says supposedly refuted tag Seriously and the atheists say it's been refuted really

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And if I remember correctly when I talked to Alex I asked him Tags, you know, it said the argument still it's not been refuted.

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He goes. No, it hasn't the argument He did he says it was the issue of how it was worded in that slow.

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Yes If I remember I thought it maybe I'm not remembering it correctly, but I remember him

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I thought I remember him saying that no, it's not been refuted. I remember asking him. Let's not be refuted

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You know from your perspective and I think he him been hard a little bit and acknowledge that it hadn't but So, I don't know.

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I keep waiting for these guys to to approve there's that That you can have transcendental absolutes logical absolutes without God show me how you know and No one's done it yet.

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So You know, you only have two options God and not God to account for the laws of logic

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Universal transcendent laws of logic the not God position doesn't work. What's left over is the God position, right?

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That's it, you know, and that's it and they say no the not not God By default means it's

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God. I'm going exactly That's correct. What's the problem? They say no, that's makes it trivial and it's it's a false.

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Whatever it is. It doesn't work How does it not work? And so I could never get that out of them, you know

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Kato's you you dealt with a lot of atheists, too Didn't you I mean you have some videos that deal with with talking to him, don't you?

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Yeah, I've done quite a few conversations with atheists as well It's always a enjoyable

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Dealing with people dealing with dealing with someone who you know has no objective. No no foundation for any any objective thing they're gonna say or morality and yet they

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Gonna tell you God doesn't exist or he's immoral you ought to do something.

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Yeah, right My mates, right Yeah, yeah

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Yeah Yeah, I've come across so many different atheists to that that just will not stand will take a stand on anything

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They don't have any foundation. They don't want to make any claims. That's their best their secret is Is that if they think any kind of claim then then they have to defend it?

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Well, but that's that's how they get around it is they don't make any claims whatsoever

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They want to make sure that you make it the claim about God. So it's it's rather Good.

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That was his mo To never really make an assertion, but I got him to have to defend an assertion in our debate in Dallas and so right

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Because of the deal the hunty dodge Yeah, we call that the deal honey dodge when he said

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One of our first encounters he said There's a third option. I said, well, what is it? And he says

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I don't know what it is It's right the way I was saying things God or the universe of the is the creator of the laws of logic and He said well, it could be a third option.

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I go. Well, then what is it? But he couldn't provide one but the logic of what he was saying.

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I understand and I think there's some point in it, but He still wouldn't provide the issue

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And so it's because of that conversation that I actually said I'm gonna go to a false dichotomy

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Destructive syllogism format on this and stuff. So actually what happens is when

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I talk to atheists They help me perfect my arguments even better. Just like melt melt pass.

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It's helped me think through this issue even more and I'm gonna be writing something on it a little bit later on my brain wakes up a little

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I got too many things going on all the time, but That's the the great thing about apologetics is that when we force ourselves into a position where we can actually converse with other people such as atheists or Muslims or Mormons or What have you?

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That's what gets us kind of Hopefully our brain kind of clicking and and just and and pushes us to actually want to To do more research and be able to answer it in a more efficient and more biblical way

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Yeah, yeah, so we got in our group here we got David David showed up here.

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So you are Available or well, I presented you inside your if you have any questions for Matt or Chris But for now,

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I know you guys can start calling me. Um, j -dub, I think Since Chris here, he's known as Since Chris is known as K dub

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I thought maybe I could be I could be as cool as him and I could be known as j -dub No, yeah, no heretics have claimed

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K dub yet. So that's why it's alright You know been a good look

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David do you have anything to say or are you uh, kind of in and out? He muted.

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Yeah, he's muted even though he's should be I'm trying to unmute.

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Oh wait. Yeah, he's he's okay Away from the keyboard for the moment.

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Okay, so he's he'll be back So And he's

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Catholic Yeah, David David David is part of the the council. He's cool. Okay How's the council thing going?

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you know what we eventually, I would like to get the into a podcast form and To be able to actually be on the

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Christian podcast community at some point I just have to probably, you know, talk to Andrew and just kind of work out the kinks and Yeah, but I mean other than that though, you know, we're still hanging out on discord a lot of the times and I never find anybody.

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I stopped going. Yeah, it's it's There's we've moved around So you probably won't find us

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In the whatever group that we were in before Yeah, I guess no Unfortunately, yeah, it's it's kind of been wonky over there.

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But it It's working. I mean, we're still Able to communicate with one another but we haven't really had a lot of discussions

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So much I did join is one group that dealt with a atheist

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And Matt yester was in there last week and oh man, he just schooled him

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He's like he just totally just blew him up. It was great. It was really good stuff

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So what's going on Matt? Oh, there's David I got a whole bunch just hanging out

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What you reading lately? Nothing I'm writing.

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That's not mad slick. Yeah, that's no I've been writing though Doing an outline writing modifications for the second novel.

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That's what I do my spare time now Okay, and then I go like like a web kind of brainstorm deal and then

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Go in after that For a novel. I have to write a detailed outline with with locations days hours

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Who does what keep track of multiple characters write personality outlines of the characters?

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I would love to see your outlines. I bet they're crazy detail. They get detailed and Last night till about 1020 because the second novel

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I was writing. I started realizing that That it's getting too complicated and I was talking to my wife about how many characters

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I have and how they have to enter Interact interact and so I was telling

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Sure about this event man, I went wait a minute I had one less character in there than I did than I do in this one.

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And so You know saying okay. So anyway, that's what I'm doing and detailed outline

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Detailed and I got some fun stuff. I'm doing too with it. Like I'm getting the names mean things okay, and numbers mean things and Yeah, and various stuff means things so symbols and stuff like that in there.

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I like that That's kind of cool stuff. Do you uh, do you like to include your eschatological views in your books like as far as Novel, okay.

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So Alright this one did the first one the influence that was just designed the idea

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I got years and years ago Ten fifteen years ago and then I just sat for a while I decided to write it but it's a novel is the biggest warning a biggest track evangelism track you've ever seen

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It's like I don't know 130 ,000 words And it's in a suspense novel between demons and angels and people and there's attempted murder there's possession and there's all kinds of stuff and terror demons and prayer and war and fighting redemption and So I dealt with the wise

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You know, why is it evil in the world? Why is there to fall in the second novel?

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I'm going to be dealing with the heresies in the Christian Church Where I have a particular

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This will be for fun. I could say a little bit here Liberty Independent Evangelical Seminary Liberty Independent Evangelical Seminary Lies and I'm gonna use that as a backdrop of a preacher and stuff like that out of that to teach the positive confession word of faith

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Stuff he's gonna be making claims and things like this and that's where I was stuck last night is integrating that into the manifestation of the angels the demons and some of their carriers

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I'm gonna it's What you're gonna juggle a lot of stuff when you write a novel. I'll tell you I have a two -part question if you don't mind

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One is is the time frame of the of the novel like present -day?

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No. No. What is it? Oh it is Okay. Okay. I think said no and Secondly, what what resources do you use?

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to inspire you on your view of demonology and angelology experience and Scripture and they just wild imagination

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Okay, I used to be involved in the occult and so I've had experiences about what darkness is

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I remember its feel I remember it least and so And then what

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I'll do is you've seen movies and stuff where they have Demons sure and so what

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I did in the first novels I described them You know like translucent skin with a tear in the chest and looking into it and you see a moving smoke

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Inside the carcass the rotting carcass of this demon and it's you know It's jaw comes out forward and I'll describe it like that and the forked tongue it whips out saliva at that's what the main guy and it

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It moves in an arc and it falls down through the floor and goes back down into the abyss where this creature came from describing its face and what moves and things like that and One time

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I was talking in the first novel. I looked my one of my favorite stories about it There's a scene where Kathy the wife of the main character

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Through a series of circumstances is terrified in her father's house He's in the hospital and she's there and she's going to the house with a knife

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Because she's something's wrong and there's a terror demon had been sent to torture her, you know

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And so a friend of mine was reading this She was She said

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Her house alone in the dark Sitting in a chair with a single light on and she was reading this stuff.

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I get really detailed, you know that the character walks down the hall and she can't see the demon that's there and she walks right through it and She feels the chill, you know, and it whispers into her into her ear, you know murder rape and and she's getting you know all this stuff and so So My friend

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Diane she passed away. She said that she was reading this particular scene next to a bookshelf

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She's reading this totally engrossed and a book just fell whack Right by her.

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She said she jumped out of this chair. It's basically screaming So into it that's what happened.

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All right. So anyway, we've done the more light topics, but I'm working the second novel in the same vein And I'm introducing a

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Black character and there's going to be an issue of prejudices from both the white and the black guy and but he's going to become a a hero figure

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I Don't know why I want to do that, but I that's because of the first novel Happened the first novel.

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I gotta put this in here this one. And so that's what it kind of took it It's what people say when you write these things the characters

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You have to argue with them sometimes I Invented you shut up. Sit down. I'm not sitting down and You know put words in their mouth and they go no,

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I'm not doing that and it's kind of weird You know because you know how the character is that a character wouldn't say it that way

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You wouldn't do it that way and you kind of get a chuckle out of it because you're arguing with yourself and so I don't that's healthy or not, but So that's what happened with the second novel is the first The first novel had this issue in it real brief and I borrowed that and that's because And some stuff and that's why it's it's taking me a little bit extra work to work at all.

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Okay, I'm wasting everybody's time Sorry, I would love to play Dungeons and Dragons with you. Yeah, I never have

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So what kind of experiences have you had with like angelic beings From experience.

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I'm curious on that. I haven't had any that I know of Angel experiences, but I have most definitely had demonic ones.

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Okay. No, but if you want I could describe stuff, but Mike's my experiences

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You guys want what you want to talk about something else if you want to tell you what happened But whatever up to you guys because it'll take five minutes.

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We do have RC Apologies that came in For it yeah, if you want to speak sure

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I did I did have like the question concern like Something that I don't know why this is like something that's becoming a thing

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But it kind of bothered me and part of what inspired me at this point and working on a documentary about this partially but There was this a group that I heard about Called the red pill religion group

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And What I gathered from it is that the way they go about And most of these are people who claim to be

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Christians, even though they mostly Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox They say the proper way to respond to atheism today

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Like, you know with the Richard Dawkins Sam Harris and all these other kinds of stuff to people that are inspired by that kind of generation is to While being

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Christian if you're truly, you know gonna be a follower of Christ Insult these people cuss them out

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Use profanities mock them insult them pretty much Described as doing what

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Richard Dawkins said at the Reason Rally once by saying mock them ridicule them in public Even to the point of saying don't do business with them and all that kind of stuff if they're atheists in your house kick them out and just you know, don't ever let them back in unless they

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Do it, you know follow back to the faith or something like that I mean this kind of idea

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What do you think of people that are saying that we should be like insulting antagonizing to people and show no grace whatsoever?

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Um, I think there's actually some biblical precedence for that in the book of second Moronicles But I set you up That's right, yeah second

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Moronicles, yes, it's a big book too, but I mean, where do they get this, you know, let no unwholesome word proceed for your mouth

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You know But what that means a second John I need to get into that group and starts, you know cracking some heads, you know

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And start saying guys you got to stop this because second for example second John you don't ask him in your house because they don't understand the culture

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When there would be a village say there's a hundred people in that village and you know Five miles down the road three miles on the roads another village a hundred people and you know, there's sporadic villages and they're agrarian well the villagers became very very

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Dependent upon one another and they might have their problems and arguments but you know, they were very much a community and Reputation was very important.

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Now, you know, it'd be a variable variation on this. Let me Drop it some memory, you know the thing where it says

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Where Jesus gives the account of the man who has a visitor coming to late at night. So the man goes and he

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Knocks on his neighbor's door and says give me I forget what it is It's like a big loaf of bread bread, that's right bread to give to his friend, you know and because of his persistence the man gives it but There's a variation and this is a long time ago.

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I could look it up because I got the book behind me It's gonna find the exact reference. I could look it up. It take me a few minutes but at any rate there's a textual variant or some play on words about the word a persistence with in Greek with the word shame and It was really interesting because I'd never heard this before but You go to that village and there's a visitor goes to that village

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He goes knocks on someone's door and in that village if he's treated badly

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That he's going to go to someplace else and talk about that village the reputation

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Was extremely important not like it is here because you don't like me. So what

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I got friends 20 miles away I got friends eight miles over that way. I got friends. That's not how it was there

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You had to live in their community and your reputation of the community had Economic value because if you were considered to be rude and not hospitable people would avoid you

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You didn't want that in that kind of a society. So reputation was extremely important All right.

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So in the context of second John when someone would come to your home what normally would happen is

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You're a traveler. You need a place to stay. You're the reputation of that village is at stake.

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So you better invite him in and Provide everything he needs for his journey so you would feed him clothed and bathe him whatever was necessary because you were a

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You're essentially approving of what he was doing by helping him that much and what second

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John is saying is don't even let him in The house when they're talking Antichrist stuff You don't want to show them the kind of help that will encourage them or support them in their evil thing

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That's what the context is That's what it is a long way to get around. I didn't remember a lot of stuff

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But yeah, that's what the problem is. They don't understand that Right. Yeah, they get there's a on their

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YouTube channel. They always give out the link to their discord that's open that I think that's the only thing but uh,

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I Think they've been trying to be open about getting other guests. So I don't know. I mean if you want to try to Comment or try to get in way of contact with them that I mean that if you want to if you say you want to trick

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Would they cut me out? Uh, I guess it would depend because I mean I was in there in the discord for a bit

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I'll all I mentioned was that there's you know justifications by faith alone and Sola scriptura and I was met with all kinds of things.

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I was called a harasser. I'm According to them I'm accused of being a demonically possessed stalker and the guy because of what because I you know, and Critiquing these guys on like, you know their stance of being ecumenical like they've allowed

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Muslims to They're mainly just trying to be an all -theist thing and they'll be willing to defend Islam even though they're supposedly

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Christians on there And I pulled all this stuff. Oh, yeah I called them out on all their stuff and they accusing me of like being a stalker

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Harasser claiming that they're gonna get a restraining order against me even though they don't know where the heck I live or what my real name is so it's

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I Guess it depends really Yeah, so they don't they do not have all their paws in the litter box

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Yeah, they'd like me they'd kick me out of there in a few minutes when I call them on the carpet So you are not acting like Christ He called people whitewashed sepulchers of your father the devil, but he did of the religious leaders

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And he was making spiritual judgments upon them But he what you know, the Bible says let no unwholesome word proceed for your mouth

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So they're to follow that unless they want to justify themselves being like Christ and an equal to him and their and the ability to judge

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You know, that would be really interesting to see if they could pull that off Though closest I've heard was like they go to Matthew 7 6

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I believe we were just like talking about do not cast pearls before swine's like swine is the same equivalent of saying you mother

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Effer apparently according to them, which I don't know where they get that But that's where they go to try to justify saying well

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He called people swine and dogs that means we have the right to call him whatever we want Well, you did call people some pretty tough stuff

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Swine was an unclean animal dogs was considered unclean Scavengers, so it was an insulting thing to call them to all of that Yeah Then it was what are you gonna do?

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That's what it was But would you say that's like on the same level as trying to just be derogatory and insulting to the point of like, you know

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Using the slang that they use No, because in the context when Christ was doing that he's

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God in flesh making judgments upon people He has that ability to know and identify what they are

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But these guys they don't have that ability Now what they would have to do is go with Scripture in order to justify anything

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But they're not gonna be able to do that because the scriptures don't support your position in that area. It'd be an interesting discussion

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I probably would not last very long in there because they would quickly find out that I'm as You know,

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I'd be labeled like you except probably worse. Yeah, so anyway

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So much heresy so little time, you know, yeah That's right,

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I need to start my own cult Matt sometimes buddy. No, really.

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I should start my own cult. But the thing is it'd be full of orthodoxy So it's kind of pointless, you know

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Join the Matt slick cult really to cult. Yeah, what's he teach the Trinity salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone

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Really? How's it a cult? Well, um He teaches us how to slap ourselves outside the head that's a ritual

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He says people don't have all the positive litter box But put that in one of your books first, let's let's try in fiction first before we apply it in real life.

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Just try to yeah So Yeah, it's you know, it'd be nice to be a cult leader.

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Maybe get stuff You know, but I'd be like no don't give me that I'll let me help you think

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I would not be a good cult leader That's the thing Anyway else have any questions

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What would be your Pope name Would be your first name

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Matt, I mean John John slick

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Richard slick dick slick My dad's name was

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Richard my brother's name is Richard. So there you go. But yeah open.

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Nope Yeah, oh man, you know even the thought

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Just the thought of seriously, you know entertain different things in your mind sometimes but the thought of teaching a false doctrine on purpose to try and get what

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I want is so Repulsive scary to me

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That I I mean the judgment of God would be like an axe Waiting to fall.

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Do you believe that some some of those leaders do it ignorantly? Or do you yeah, they do it

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Okay We see here the question necessitates that kind of an answer. Do you believe some do it ignorantly?

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Okay If you said all do it ignorantly the answer would be no, so let me ask you a question if you jump high enough

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Can you touch the moon? If you jump high enough

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Simple logic question. Yeah, that's right. He has his paws in the logic litter box good

53:53

Alright, so now what we can talk about you and Kittler Kittler whatever happened where you and flowers supposed to do something else.

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I Think flowers he's not pursued me anymore since our last discussion. I think he

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I don't know maybe had enough. I don't know But he couldn't answer the difficult questions and the last

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The last few minutes. I thought really Cornered him, you know the compatibilism a free will issue that Jesus exemplified

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I heard that they really were discussing that the next day or two or three trying to come up with answers and I haven't heard him

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But if someone wanted to show me what they said I could deal with it, but I thought it was really good

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I didn't know anyway, so he's not Chris. He's pursued me. Hey, what are we gonna debate? We're gonna get it not anymore. So I don't know

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Hmm Yeah, I thought it was interesting. I forget what what he said in regards to you asking about propitiation and He really didn't know.

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He really didn't know what propitiation was. I was I was really shocked at that, you know,

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I Mean soteriology 101 and you know, right?

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Yeah, and Colossus 214 the time we've met before Stumped him to for those who don't know what that verse, you know

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Having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees which was hostile to us He took it out of the way having nailed it to the cross.

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So Jesus canceled the sin that at the cross Well, if you cancel it, you can't go to hell for a sin that that's canceled. Who do you cancel it for everybody or not?

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everybody what do you do with that and He did not do well in that response either

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So he wanted to do the free will thing and he didn't in my opinion did not do well in the free will thing either you know, but I Was thinking of something today because Usually how the argument is, you know brought out is free wills the ability to do good or evil

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You know but if my question kind of would be for for Layton or anyone else if God restrains you is is he taking away your free will

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You know if if you know like a Bimelech, you know in Genesis 21, I believe you know, he's

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Bimelech says, you know, it's God that you know, pretty much says, you know, maybe not sin, you know, and so How would

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I'm just curious how they would even see that because if free will is true. It almost seemed like God could not

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Do that He could not know Problem they can't you're right.

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They cannot answer these kinds of questions But here's here's another one think about this inspiration now what

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I could do I could unearth a file and I could read to you guys some statistics and stuff out of the file.

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Let me see if I've got it real handy here Yeah, is the

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Bible inspired and let me show you something I'm gonna read some things I'm gonna do it quickly I'm not gonna waste you guys time, but the

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Bible is inspired now if it's inspired It means every detail comes from God, but yet it's through the free will choices of individual people

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So, how does that work? Well check this out Give you some statistics and some stuff here.

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Okay, let's get to it. I've got a file open it's a thing I did at a conference in Okay, here we go the genealogy of Jesus in Matthew the number

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Okay, everything is divisible by 72 or excuse me by 7. Okay, the number of words the number of nouns

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The word the how many times it occurs the different forms of the word the the number of Greek words before the deportation the number of words

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Of those of those 49 words before the deportation the words that begin with a vowel of those the words that begin with a consonant also by there's 21 these all these numbers are divisible by 7 there's

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Of those 49 words the number of the letters is 266. That's how many letters there are Well, that's 38 by times 7 of those 266 letters the number of vowels is 140 20 by times 7 of those 266 letters a number of consonants is 126 or 18 times 7 of those 49 words number of words that occur more than once is 35 5 times 7 of those those words a number of words

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That occur once is 14 2 times 7 and it goes on like this the number that are nouns the number of words which are not nouns a number of nouns that are proper names a number of male

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Names a number of times that the male names occur. The one city's Babylon is mentioned. It's it's Gematria is 7 divisible by 7 so It's by everything's by 7 by divisible by 7 all these patterns you can't do this by sitting down on a piece of paper with a calculator and expels spreadsheet and try and figure this out and Write out a genealogy with a total number of words is 72

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The number of nouns is 56 which is 8 times 7 the number of Greek words The is divisible by 7 all these a bit, but this is why 7 okay

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Now what I'm trying to show is this is just not something a human being could just think up It can't happen.

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You could write a paragraph with 72 words. That's not a problem but then you have to have the nouns in that paragraph be divisible by 7 and the word thought that occurs has a total divisible by 7

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The total number of letters have to be divisible by 7 the words that start with a vowel divisible by 7 the words that start with a

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Consonant divisible by 7 the number of syllables divisible by 7 you can see after a while It's gonna be basically impossible, and I tried it.

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I actually tried doing this a few weeks ago, and I got stuck within I think 10 minutes.

01:00:04

It was done. I could not make it work The mathematics behind this is just incredible all right now

01:00:11

I'm trying to prove that these very words in the genealogy are inspired and are in order specifically

01:00:19

Now how do you have that in pure libertarian free will? There has to be an influence of God upon the free will that moves the person to write exactly

01:00:32

What is necessary in order for this to make sense and be what it is? But the people of their own selves could not do it.

01:00:40

It was not possible it had to be God's influence on them But how does he do that in pure libertarianism?

01:00:47

This is another confirmation of compatibilism God's determination with man's freedom

01:00:53

God can determine that they write these things because there's no other way it could be done This proves another way of compatibilism, which

01:01:01

I want to talk to him did for that at a time stuff Anyway, you see what I'm saying? Says Matt to himself now.

01:01:09

No one's listening. I heard you don't care Ramble, oh, that's right. There's no I heard a snoring

01:01:18

But you see what I'm saying, I'm actually reading the genealogy right now, so Good.

01:01:24

Yeah And get this Matthew's account of the birth of Jesus. This is

01:01:30

I'm assuming this is the Greek right like obviously Yeah, right Yeah, and Matthew 1 18 through 25 check this out the birth of Jesus the number of words is 161 which is 23 times 7 so Again each one of these the number of the total is divisible by 7

01:01:52

So the number of words the number of letters See the 161 words occur and 105 forms

01:02:03

Which is 15 times 7 of the 105 forms the number of verbs is 35

01:02:09

Which is divisible by 7 the gematria the gematria is aren't you guys know, but ABC 1 2 3

01:02:15

We have two letters two sets of characters for numbers and letters in Greek. They only have one set for both

01:02:21

So when you write a letter, you're also writing a number So every time you write a word in Greek You also have a numeric value like the word for fish in Greek is ichthys and its value mathematically is 1224 and yesu

01:02:35

Christos Jesus Christ is added up to 888 So it's called a gematria.

01:02:41

Anyway, so The gematria the value of those words is

01:02:47

Divisible by 7 exactly the gematria of the value of all the letters is also divisible by 7 6

01:02:54

Greek words are found Nowhere in that genealogy nowhere else in the Bible and their gematria divisible by 7 the total letters

01:03:03

The total letters of those six words Visible by 7 the number of proper names is by 7 the number of these letters

01:03:12

In those seven names Emmanuel occurs nowhere else in the New Testament It's gematria divisible by 7 but speaking to Joseph the number of words the angel uses is divisible by 7 the gematria of those words

01:03:23

Is divisible by 7 This is not an accident, this is the inspired

01:03:29

Word of God There's no way they could do that on their own. It had to be directed by God that are free will

01:03:39

So that they did what God ordained for them to do Libertarianism Here's the this the proper theological terminology to describe

01:03:54

Libertarianism it sucks canal water What do you guys know does not work how do you explain this they're just good guessers

01:04:04

I I'm pretty sure that's just the

01:04:11

Understanding of how Inspiration works in terms of Wow verbal plenary

01:04:24

Well, then they would have to say if it's if it's a dictation, okay, yeah

01:04:30

Then that violates a free will sure. They're just okay if it's an inspiration through their free will then there's no

01:04:38

Yeah, that's right if it's dynamic there's no there's no use for God like there's no in terms of It you could chalk it up to the person's experience.

01:04:49

Like there's no real they're just writing what they think if it's if it's purely dynamic Yeah Holy Spirit at that point.

01:04:57

Yeah, exactly, right But you if that's the case, you can't account for these mathematical things inside the letters.

01:05:03

Yeah Verbal plenary inspiration seems to be the way to go because you have yeah, you have a personal style

01:05:16

Visual writer you have the you know All of his little quirks all of his little ways of all of his sayings and yeah for ways to express things

01:05:26

Yet you have the Spirit of God Almost just like it's

01:05:33

I love the way Timothy puts it. It's it's it's as if it's just breathed out, right? Like it's yep starts with God through the author and you can kind of see that in your mind, you know, like, right?

01:05:44

There's this there's this beautiful interplay of Compatibility that happens there where you know, you're it

01:05:52

Everything that the Holy Spirit intends to put on paper is Breathed out through the human author. Amen And how do you have that if it's pure libertarianism because in libertarianism what libertarianism is is actually anti compatibilism

01:06:11

Compatibilism is the biblical position Because it means God's sovereign even over our free wills and can direct our free wills and yet not violate our free wills

01:06:20

There's some issues that I could talk about sometimes. How would you test that too? Like you it it would just be scripture pretty much.

01:06:26

No, I'm saying like if you wanted to hold to a purely libertarian author Inspiration because at that point it's like well, he guessed really well

01:06:37

Yeah They would have to come up with something to say.

01:06:44

Well, there's a Right, like why why do we trust a prophet? Why cuz we're inspired

01:06:50

But what does that mean if it's not that's exactly the right question sort of Tangible inspiration on the person themselves

01:07:01

From God it would because it would just result in You know the bunch of guessing

01:07:07

I guess I'm with you Hey, you know how they would account for that. That'd be good good discussion.

01:07:13

How do you test it? Right? Hey David, I need to yeah interfere and just become a tech techie right now

01:07:23

Yeah, the people in the other the YouTube group are seeing only your image.

01:07:29

Wow So and people are saying I want to see mass beautiful face. I'm like Well, you know,

01:07:39

I the only thing I think of is is your name on the bottom, right Do you have a white highlighted box around your your name?

01:07:48

No, no Yeah, I see it. He does. Let me click on Chris oh my oh there is that's right.

01:07:56

Yeah scary. It just caught me off guard Let's see if that helps that changes it. I'm clicking on it.

01:08:01

Maybe okay, and maybe there you go So Chris is on right now. Okay.

01:08:06

Yeah, I think Matt Right, right, okay. Okay. Let's get a pretty girl on there.

01:08:12

Why did it look at us? We look like we're all by a pack of dogs click on Click on seeking

01:08:25

Nebraska is a beautiful piece of meat Yeah So anyways,

01:08:44

I was just wanted to see you fix that. Okay guys, I'm sorry Go ahead and continue on with your little happy little discussion here

01:08:53

Yeah, I was having this I think I was having this discussion with John yes with John the other day

01:09:01

Who I think you've met before John Johnson ironic Pelagian. Oh great. Yeah, and we had this we rehashed an old

01:09:10

Discussion about inspiration and it it went in the same vein he

01:09:16

I Had to explain the the terms and like what does it mean that the Bible is inspired?

01:09:22

What is what is that verse in Timothy mean? and Through his explanation we landed on that.

01:09:30

He holds to somewhat of a dynamic theory and and That's because he wants to so tightly hold you

01:09:42

God pretty much staying out of the affairs of Man in terms of choice but at the same time holds very much to a

01:09:54

Doctrine of Providence, so I don't I don't know how those two are. I wish he was in here

01:10:00

I don't know how you can I I would be interested on how a libertarian free will expositor

01:10:13

Justify or harmonizes Providence and I guess what

01:10:20

Contra Causa little Retro free choice. Yeah, it'd be interesting. Yeah But I guess

01:10:29

Is it like with our Like what if what if do we get the chance to say

01:10:35

God you can't do that I Mean just the thought of saying that to God I but like you would have to come up with some sort of I Don't know like maybe he limits himself in Molinism somehow, you know by choosing that World to actuate

01:11:01

I guess is it's like an action of limiting I don't know how how you can be providential in the affairs of man yet right

01:11:11

Because it ultimately it just sounds like deism to me, you know here. Let me create all this stuff and good luck to you guys

01:11:18

Yeah, I agree. It's problematic in the in the afterlife Yeah, get somebody in like that.

01:11:25

We can have a discussion with them and see what happens. I think it's worth doing. Yeah so No No, okay, that was fun now what

01:11:44

Man, I'm gonna try to get him in here. I really want to hear his justification of dynamic theory again.

01:11:50

Perfect Whatever you got going on on the video just don't don't mess with it because it's now it's working now.

01:11:59

Yeah Yeah, I did I Yeah went exploring a little bit so in all the controls,

01:12:08

I don't know all right so I invited a bunch of atheists on discord and All they gave me was a link to their discussion group.

01:12:19

I was like, no, no, I don't want to be on there Hey, I go under discussion groups. I'll go in there and have some Discussions.

01:12:26

Yeah, it's on discord. So maybe I'll give you a link They're gonna actually have a discussion

01:12:33

Yeah, no kidding Yeah, they call themselves the atheist hotline

01:12:41

Yeah, I thought it's pretty funny yeah, I gotta go to atheist hotline for help So one nine hundred number

01:12:54

That's what I need I need a 900 number so that people can talk to me hi, are you mad slick? Why don't you tell me something like the static

01:13:00

Union? Give them theology turn card number first, please.

01:13:05

Yeah credit card number first and then I could talk sexually to him. I have the static Community caught on me.

01:13:12

I'm awesome. Yeah They go hey, this is bad.

01:13:18

Yeah, I know weird So we got seeking that came in seeking the

01:13:28

My vision is so terrible. I can't even read that You know seeking a narrow way anyway, she

01:13:35

She hopped in. I don't know. She's willing to speak up or ask a question, but Go ahead.

01:13:41

I'm you Mike if you want to seeking and see what? Hello I'm not a revelation expert.

01:14:05

So by any means, so I don't know if I can help but Caught your radio show a couple of days ago or might have been yesterday.

01:14:14

I don't remember but you're talking about how the Evil people were going to be taken first.

01:14:22

That's what the Bible says Revelation 14 starting at verse 14

01:14:32

And it's talking about reaping the earth's harvest and the way it reads it sounds like the

01:14:41

Saints are harvested first because the first angel uses their seat their sickle and Then the second one when the second angel uses the sickle it talks about God's wrath being poured down poured down on them

01:15:02

Angel let's see look at a white cloud Okay David another angel came out of the temple crying out

01:15:08

With a loud voice to miss out on the cloud put in your sickle and reap But the hour to reap has come because the harvest of the earth is ripe put in your sickle to reap and reap verse 16 and he who sat on the cloud swung a sickle over the earth and the earth was reaped and another angel came out of the temple, which is in heaven and He also had a sharp sickle and another angel the one who has power over fire came out from the altar and called with a loud voice to him who had the sharp sickle saying put in your

01:15:43

Sharp sickle and gather the clusters from the vine of the earth because her grapes are ripe so the angel swung his sickle to the

01:15:51

The earth and gathered the cluster from the vine of the earth and threw them into the great wine press which was the wrath of God and The wine press was trodden outside the city and blood came out of the wine press up to the horses bridles for a distance of 200 miles

01:16:07

Actually, it looks like it's kind of consistent with what I was saying earlier in That they are gathered to Armageddon.

01:16:15

That's what it looks like out of 19 and 20 Because out of there the blood it says they're gathered

01:16:22

But Sharp signal gathered a cluster from the vine of the earth because that's the wicked and so it says

01:16:31

Verse 15 Put in your sickle reap for the hour because a harvest is ripe then he who sat in the cloud

01:16:40

So in a circle of the earth and earth was reaped another angel came out, but but what is the reaping?

01:16:46

If I were doing a study on this to teach it I would have to write I would make what I do is I take the verses

01:16:53

I put them in an outline form on word and You know 15 16 17 18 and then

01:17:00

I analyze and I indent and I put comments questions and issues under each thing I really get into it and one of the things

01:17:06

I would ask Which you know try and find the answer is Who or what is reaped?

01:17:13

You know because one of the things I've learned about eschatology is don't make any assumptions It kind of seems as though the implication might be the rapture but doesn't mean that it is it could be

01:17:25

But not necessarily then it says the harvest of the earth. So what I would do is say what's the harvest of the earth?

01:17:34

And so I would look at that because the word harvest is used and that would force me to go look at the word harvest

01:17:41

In eschatological contexts and see how it's learned how it's used and I would expect it This is what

01:17:47

I do. I do this just like I'm telling you I'll do this and I'll learn as I go Thank God.

01:17:52

I don't know. I'm gonna find I'm gonna find something But then he's so I'm trying to figure it out as I go here and I'm not sure just tell you then he who sat in the clouds swung a sickle over the earth and Earth was reaped

01:18:05

And another angel came out temples in heaven Sharp sickle and another one power fire came out sharp sickle closer the fuck now.

01:18:14

Here's a question Does the word reaping and harvesting occur in this second set?

01:18:21

This is another angel sharp sickle and Grapes are ripe

01:18:29

Gathered but doesn't say harvested or reaped so That would make me look at the both the harvesting and the reaping

01:18:42

Eschatologically to see if it only occurs in reference to the Christians You see what

01:18:48

I'm saying I do So long story short, I don't know what it means. I Don't know but it's interesting

01:18:56

But I'm actually curious to know how the word harvest would be used So what I'll do what

01:19:01

I would normally do is just go to Matthew type in harvest for a search find the first word harvest and Then what

01:19:12

I do is really simple. I find the Greek word two three two six I have it all set up here and then

01:19:24

Whoops. Come on. Come on you slimeball Six it occurs through interesting

01:19:37

That's interesting. Wow, the word harvest occurs 13 times Why am

01:19:43

I saying that's interesting as anybody know? We don't know how your brain works

01:19:54

So I will tell you why I'll tell you why okay Years ago when

01:20:02

I did research I started studying numerology Now the Gematria, okay.

01:20:08

Let me review Gematria is We have in English ABC one two three two different sets of characters

01:20:17

From alpha and numeric in Greek. They don't have that have one set in Hebrew.

01:20:23

They don't have it. They have it one set Yeah, so both Hebrew and Greek the same letters are used for writing words as well as numbers

01:20:32

So every word in the entire Bible in Hebrew and Greek has mathematical values and equivalents now

01:20:40

I Don't know how to verify this because I'm not good enough at Hebrew to be able to do this But I'd read in some books.

01:20:46

So I got lots of books see my books up there folks Look, see how many books I got see all that. There's that's just some of them.

01:20:52

Okay And I got some books up there that talk about this kind of stuff and Years ago

01:21:00

I'd read that whenever in the Old Testament There were pericopes about Satan And it gave two or three instances a pericope is a section of Scripture talking about say

01:21:12

Satan The Gematria values total is always divisible by 13

01:21:18

So 13 is the number of sin

01:21:26

So I think it's fascinating to me There's 13 occurrences of the word harvest in the

01:21:34

Bible. I would have thought 14 or 12 because 14 is 2 times 7 now.

01:21:40

I'm kind of given my you know Some stuff that I've searched over the years.

01:21:45

They've kind of caused me to think things like this so three's number the Trinity fives number of grace six is the number of man and That's because man was made on the sixth day

01:21:57

What's the name of the answer? What's the well the Gematria of the Antichrist is six six six six six now notice easy to be a man and the

01:22:07

Trinity You know, I'll go with I'll tell you guys some stuff. Okay, here we go. I'm getting into it I may have to type some stuff in I wonder if I could do it this way.

01:22:18

I'll tell you what I'll share my screen and I'll type some stuff in All right

01:22:27

You guys want to do this a little interesting You also got like three other people are joined in.

01:22:32

So, okay. Never mind Yeah, never mind because I could teach about this kind of thing and show you some mathematical relationships that are really there

01:22:39

But if people got that, why don't we just make it a night? Yeah We need to because it anytime you get into a big topic like this can't do it.

01:22:48

Just okay, right, you know So it it's you know, I'm saying let's do it. We'll do a show on that.

01:22:54

That'd be great. Okay Let's do it really get into it. Yeah. All right. It'll be good. That's a good idea. I'll be great

01:22:59

I wasn't paying it. I kind of get lost at my thinking process and one thing connect another so it's all

01:23:05

It's all seeking the narrow path fault. It's her fault. Not mine She just triggered it.

01:23:10

Okay. I think we have a Roman Catholic. It's gonna come in here. We got the holy Most most holy something something something of the family.

01:23:19

Anyway, she just asked you a question Why is Matt afraid to accept my?

01:23:27

One and one on one debate challenge, so Most only

01:23:32

I just went ahead and unmuted you or um, or got you in the show here So go ahead and speak up and ask

01:23:38

Matt Hello, I guess you're afraid to debate me right now,

01:23:48

I guess so. Yeah, he's not afraid to say yeah Hello, he did leave a phone number and an email address

01:23:56

Brother okay. Well, then I'm gonna boot him out. Who is this guy? I don't know. Who is he speak up and debate what?

01:24:04

It's on the sideshot there. It says why is Matt afraid to accept my one -on -one debate challenge?

01:24:11

Well, first of all who says I'm afraid so he's Begging the questions assuming

01:24:16

I think I'm trying to prove and ready to bait now. Who is this guy and debate on what?

01:24:23

So He's here. I don't speak up. The floor is yours man. Hello.

01:24:34

Do you think he's a muted? He might be muted Okay, he's no, he's not muted.

01:24:41

No, he just left. Okay. Well, thank you very much your well Yeah, it was fun.

01:24:47

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's next guy. We have J J go ahead and you're in the broadcast here

01:24:53

I'm want to go ahead and have you in so Go ahead and feel free to unmute your mic and prepare the battle

01:25:06

Okay, okay. Okay J. Well, I mean if you have any questions for Matt, that'd be great But if not, yeah, you can just hang out and listen if you want, but we also have a

01:25:15

YouTube Yeah, we get this is the politics live so you can

01:25:22

Okay, whatever you need to Okay, so My question is about the

01:25:30

Divine Council and I want to know what would your opinion be about that?

01:25:37

Does your Bible acknowledge? Many gods or does it deny many guys?

01:25:44

It's got the most high or is he? you know, or is he you know, like Or just only one

01:25:52

God meaning that you know strictly what I guess Theologians of the old times and believers in old times,

01:25:59

I guess you know in the fifth century sixth century above, you know, pretty much described to a monotheistic religion, which people most likely know as Belief in one

01:26:11

God and no other guys. So So referencing specifically for everyone that wants to know

01:26:17

Psalms 82 Another ones You give me a lot of stuff here.

01:26:23

So let me let me let me address monotheism first, okay All right, so I'm gonna read some scriptures

01:26:30

Isaiah 43 10 you are my witnesses declares Yahweh and my servant whom

01:26:36

I have chosen so that you may know and believe and Understand that I am he before me.

01:26:42

There was no God formed. There will be none after me I even I am Yahweh and there is no

01:26:48

Savior besides me. That's Isaiah 43 10 Now I'm gonna go to Isaiah 44 6 thus says

01:26:55

Yahweh the king of Israel and his Redeemer the Lord the Yahweh of hosts. I am the first I am the last and there is no

01:27:02

God beside me He says there's no God besides me This is

01:27:08

Isaiah 44 8 do not tremble and do not be afraid Have I not long since announced it to you and declared it.

01:27:15

You're my witnesses. Is there any God besides me or is there any other rock?

01:27:21

I know of none That's what God says. He doesn't even know of any others. There's none

01:27:26

Let's go to Isaiah 45 5 I am Yahweh and there is no other but besides me.

01:27:32

There is no God So when we go to Psalm 82 verse 6 what we're seeing here in Psalm 82 in particular is an imprecatory

01:27:40

Psalm And we can go to that we can read it's very short Psalm and all I could do is read it and you can check it out and understand what's going on there and It's counsel to God's things is nothing more

01:27:53

Than a cleverly disguised paganism trying to infiltrate into the church Now this is what

01:27:59

Psalm 82 says God takes his stand in his own congregation. He judges in the midst of the rulers

01:28:05

Now the Hebrew word here is Elohim Well, wait a minute the word Elohim automatically means

01:28:10

God, right? No It doesn't because it can mean all kind of thing just like the word agape a lot of people think the word agape means divine

01:28:17

Love it does not because in Luke 11 43, I believe it is Jesus says you agape your high seats talking to the

01:28:24

Pharisees Words move me what they mean in context and that's the point. And so what we have here is an imprecatory

01:28:32

Song a psalm against the unrighteous judges. That's its historical context. God takes his stand in his own congregation he judges in the midst of the rulers as the

01:28:45

NASB says the ESB Come on ESB Says in the midst of the gods he holds judgment so What we could see is that God recognizes, you know,

01:29:01

I'll go I'll do this Galatians 4 8 however at that time

01:29:08

When you did not know God you were slaves to those Which by nature are no gods

01:29:16

So the Bible recognizes other gods existence But they're not really gods, but they calls them

01:29:24

God, but they're not they don't have any existence However at that time when you did not know God you were slaves to those

01:29:30

Which by nature are no gods. They had other gods that they served Maybe a council of the gods.

01:29:37

Maybe it was Zeus. Maybe it was whatever but it says which by nature are no gods So in one part what's happening is in the idea of gods

01:29:46

Yeah, there was a plethora of gods a pantheon of gods in various cultures and things like that, but they didn't have any ontological

01:29:53

Actuality and so what would happen is that God would sometimes speak among all the gods I'm the greatest because of all those gods

01:30:00

He's not saying that they actually exist because we know it's a New Testament revelation Galatians 4 8. They do not exist

01:30:07

They don't Back to Psalm 82 God takes a stand in his own congregation. He judges in the midst of the rulers

01:30:13

How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked? This can't be gods in any way shape or form because he's talking about the people there who are judging unjustly

01:30:24

He's talking about the individuals. He's not talking about some gods the ethereal thing because Galatians 4 8 says there aren't any verse 3 of 80

01:30:32

Psalm 82 vindicate the weak and the fatherless Do justice to the afflicted and the destitute rescue the weak and the needy deliver them out of the hand of the wicked

01:30:39

He's talking about the unrighteous judges on earth and how they should be doing

01:30:45

What he's saying that they should be doing vindicate the weak, etc They do not know nor do they understand they walk about in darkness

01:30:51

All the foundations of the earth are shaken I said you are gods and all of you are son of the

01:30:57

Most High nevertheless You will die like men and fall like any one of the princes arise

01:31:03

Oh God judge the earth for it is you who possesses all the nations. So that's the whole psalm

01:31:09

Psalm 82 So nevertheless you will die like men and fall like any one of the princes now Wait a minute. It's our gods out there some council of the gods.

01:31:16

How can they die like men? Men are biological gods or not. How they die like men they can't

01:31:22

So it is you know to say that Psalm 82 in any way supports this counsel to God's Idiocy is ridiculous.

01:31:29

First of all, Isaiah 43 10 44 6 44 8 Isaiah 45 5 refuted along with Galatians 4 8

01:31:36

Clearly refutes it and the context of Psalm 82 is not about some council any place anywhere out

01:31:42

There is talking about the unrighteous judges as is clearly contextually warranted Okay Whoa, whoa, wait, you disagree you mean there are actually other gods out there?

01:32:03

No, I said he would not oh it would not Okay. Sorry misunderstood. My apologies, man.

01:32:08

I was gonna jump all over that like a monkey in a cupcake That's an image

01:32:18

You speak up I'm having trouble hearing you Little bit better.

01:32:24

Yeah, go ahead. Okay. All right, so All right, so I guess

01:32:30

I've been misled a little bit because yes what of course Because I know in the

01:32:37

Old Testament how it doesn't necessarily like Well, I'm talking about more so in Deuteronomy more so because I've seen it

01:32:48

Breaking down was pretty much off of Deuteronomy most likely and that's what they allude to around that So, um if like and then

01:32:57

I've also heard like but what verses you see what they're doing You can understand something.

01:33:03

Here's a principle. There's a short principle and it's a really important one When groups

01:33:11

So to speak I say this group is doing this But when people spend more time in the Old Testament to prove doctrine in the

01:33:17

New Testament, that's a problem Because the thing is the Old Testament is certainly inspired and it's very valuable

01:33:24

But it is the New Testament that interprets the Old Testament It's never the Old Testament that interprets the New Testament That's right

01:33:30

New Testament writers will quote the Old Testament and say this is what is meant by the prophet blah blah blah blah blah and they'll

01:33:35

Tell you what it means so when Someone is in the Old Testament a lot Well, the

01:33:41

Deuteronomy says and then do these verses and then the Council of the gods the psalm and blah blah blah That's how can we know about this?

01:33:47

Well Go to Saul go to Galatians 4 8. There's only one God and those other ones by nature are not true

01:33:53

God. So What do you want to do now? You know and they don't want to submit themselves with a New Testament because they have an agenda

01:34:00

The agenda is not scripture and revelation the agenda is a concept they want the scriptures to fit that's

01:34:06

Typically is what happens when those people are in the Old Testament more than the New Testament in order to establish doctrines

01:34:13

Not always but that's a pretty typical. Okay, go ahead. That was my point okay, yeah, and so Okay, there's an example here

01:34:25

What's up RC, but anyway, so Let's see, there's an example

01:34:34

Do to be 7 -1 You said you said

01:34:41

Deuteronomy 7 -1 or did you say I was taking a different verse that wasn't Deuteronomy 7 -1 It was another one.

01:34:47

Sorry. Go ahead. All right 17 -1, I think Okay, hold on for a sec

01:34:53

That's not it either. Dang it. Oh That's something different anyway, I got a lot of verses in my head

01:34:59

I miss them mix them up sometimes accidentally You're flipping Matt Hey, I'm I'll be 62

01:35:08

I'm up there Jay are you thinking about the the passage in Matthew where Jesus addresses the

01:35:16

Pharisees and calls them gods? It's in Matthew and it's also in John 10

01:35:22

Yeah That's easy What's what's unique about that scripture is is that Like he is likening himself to The Pharisees that he's talking to so that's what interests me interest me because obviously they thought it was blasphemy you know what

01:35:50

I mean, but like Talk about John 10 30 to 34. Yeah. Okay.

01:35:56

Let me let me offer an explanation of what's going on there. Okay? All right now the

01:36:03

Jews pick up stones again to stone him that's verse 31 So where's the first mention or is the prior mention of them wanting to kill him?

01:36:12

John 8 58 and following He just said to them truly truly I say to you before Abraham was born.

01:36:18

I am Therefore they pick up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

01:36:25

That was John 8 59 Now what we do is we go to John 10 30 I and the father are one the

01:36:31

Jews pick up stones again to stone him So from John 8 59 to John 10 31, there's but in between those verses

01:36:41

There's no mention of stoning rocks or anything. This is it So what is happening is when he says

01:36:47

I and the father are one they want to kill him What do they want to kill him for he's gonna ask him Jesus says

01:36:53

I've shown you many good works from the father for which of these are you stoning me? The Jews answered for a good work would you not stone you but blasphemy because you being a man make yourself out to be

01:37:03

God now What I'll often do with this pericope is

01:37:08

I'll say what was it that Jesus said and show me the verse I'll say what was it that Jesus said that caused the

01:37:15

Pharisees to think he was claiming to be God It's really an interesting question. It's a little bit of a side note for those people listening

01:37:22

Because you're talking to Jehovah's Witnesses. You're talking to Christadelphians. You're talking to others who deny the deity of Christ Aryan variants and This really becomes a good apologetic because if they don't understand where it was that Jesus said what he said

01:37:35

To make the Pharisees think he's claiming to be God Then the people don't understand the text and I can tell you where the verses are

01:37:42

John 8 58 John 10 30 Because he's claiming to be the I am and the identity with the father.

01:37:48

I the father are one. Okay, he's claiming this It could be a reference out of out of Deuteronomy 6 4 hero

01:37:56

Israel The Lord God is one and it probably some puns and some things about going on but at the time, but nevertheless

01:38:04

They want to kill him because he's claiming to make himself out to be God Right now, so the

01:38:10

Pharisees did not believe he was God. So I asked the J dubs Do you agree with the Pharisees?

01:38:15

He's not God now. We have another discussion In it. Nevertheless, Jesus answered them. Has it not been written in your law?

01:38:23

I Said you are God's notice. He says your law Doesn't say the law

01:38:30

Doesn't say God's law. He says your law He's talking to the Pharisees these

01:38:36

Jews Who are hypocritical and they want to kill Jesus? They're denying who he is and they of course are unrighteous just like Psalm 82 judges are

01:38:46

They're not doing what's right by God's standard they know what

01:38:52

Psalm 82 is they know that Psalm 82 is an imprecatory psalm an imprecatory psalm an

01:39:00

Implication is a statement where you wish harm. Excuse me where you wish harm on somebody to implicate

01:39:06

I wish you would just break both your legs tomorrow when you go out skiing, you know, I hate your guts.

01:39:11

It's an imprecation So it's called an imprecatory psalm and there's several

01:39:17

Imprecatory psalms or basically the psalm says God get him So they know

01:39:23

Psalm 82 is an imprecatory psalm because it says I said ye are gods or you are gods

01:39:28

He's quoting Psalm 82 6 now What he's being really slick here and what's happening is he's quoting an imprecatory psalm where God is mocking so to speak and condemning the unrighteous judges and He's quoting it in reference to them when he says your law

01:39:51

He's applying it to them And then he says if he called them gods talking about God called them gods to whom the

01:39:59

Word of God came And the scripture can't be broken. It's always true Do you say of him?

01:40:06

Whom the Father sanctified and sent to the world you are blasphemy because I said, I'm the Son of God It is very well packed in there.

01:40:14

He's asking a huge set of questions here Says you call it saying that I'm blaspheming

01:40:20

Notice what he says Did you say of him that's that's the Jews saying of Jesus whom the

01:40:27

Father sanctified and sent into the world So you say of Jesus you Jews say of Jesus that Jesus is blaspheming

01:40:34

Because then Jesus says about himself. I am this because I'm the Son of God now in John 5 18

01:40:44

God says Jesus was calling God his own father making himself equal to God He said he's a son of God, but there's terminology in the

01:40:53

Old Testament sons of God because sons of the gods could be angels and So he's

01:40:58

He what he is doing is referencing something that they can't just sit there easily and give a yes -no to Because he says because what he's doing here back to verse 34 your gods

01:41:12

He's quoting an imprecatory psalm about unrighteous judges, and they know that aren't any other gods That's clear and he's applying it to the

01:41:18

Jesus is applying it here to the present situation that alone should piss them off Then he reasons but God's calling them gods because that's the word in Hebrew Elohim because as unrighteous rulers because they had that place in the power of God Which he's implying is that their position as they're leading others astray, but the scriptures can't be broken

01:41:38

He called him gods and I'm the same the Son of God and you're complaining about me.

01:41:43

Why is that a problem with you? You see how clever Christ was with that. What are they gonna do?

01:41:50

They're gonna start saying well We get to argue scripture now because that's what he's doing He's bringing up the Word of God and now they got to argue with the

01:41:56

Word of God before were to justify their actions Make sense Yeah, okay

01:42:07

Going back to Deuteronomy Deuteronomy is 32 verse 8.

01:42:12

That's one. That's the original one. I was talking about. Okay And when the

01:42:18

Most High Gave the nations their inheritance and he separated the sons of man He said the boundaries of the people's according to the number of the sons of Israel.

01:42:25

Okay Yeah, or or you could say well and another version would also say sons of God So like my only question is and this is not like a gotcha question or nothing like that at all

01:42:38

It's like well, who do you think the sons of God are that that's all I just want to know that Or who is that represents angels

01:42:47

So I would have to do a word study on it and see Okay Seriously I would it says in Hebrews many

01:42:56

Israel I'm looking at the interlinear folks.

01:43:01

So I don't think I'm reading the Hebrew. I'm gonna learn it read it again though, but um So the sons of Yeah, it's right now

01:43:14

I can still read Hebrew. How about that? So that's what it says sons of Israel in there But some manuscripts my note says compare

01:43:22

Dead Sea Scrolls up to agent Masoretic text sons of Israel So I'd have to do a study on it to see what's going on and see what the sub to agent says because I'd have to do that in Masoretic text and then compare them.

01:43:33

But any rate the units it says sons of God What is meant by it because the term?

01:43:40

So I go back to Genesis Then ctrl F. Oh, I'll do it.

01:43:45

I'll do it this way. This Bible program is awesome so I'm gonna do is type in sons of God and It occurs 53 times

01:43:56

The sons of God saw the daughters of men were beautiful. They took them in for wives It appears that the sons of God there are fallen angels

01:44:02

The Nephilim when the sons of God came into the daughters of men jet Genesis. Well, that's interesting

01:44:10

How about that, I love the Bible it is awesome So I that was Genesis 6 2 and 6 4 the next time the term sons of God occurs isn't until Job 1 6 now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the

01:44:26

Lord and Satan what came among them now does that mean that there was all the angels bad and good?

01:44:32

I had to check it out Or is it only the reference of the bad that those are the questions you'd have to ask The next reference is to one of Job The sons of God came to present themselves before the

01:44:43

Lord Okay and Job 38 7 and all the sons of God shouted for joy that would seem to be the angelic realm on the good side and then at the son of God and The next sons of God is

01:44:55

Matthew 5 9 Let's throw the peacemakers for these shall be called sons of God and the next sons

01:45:05

Of God almost done. Oh, there we go Luke 20 36 they cannot die anymore because they're like angels and our sons of God being sons of the resurrection and I'm going to take this opportunity to teach you guys something

01:45:22

As far as studying goes There's another one for all who are being led by the Spirit of God. These are sons of God Anxious for long long in creation in which eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God What I'm doing is looking for the sons of God Galatians 3 26.

01:45:39

We all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus and I think that's the last plural sons of God yeah, that's it

01:45:51

So what I would do is take the terms if I were to answer the your question in Deuteronomy 32 8

01:45:57

I would go and do a study on the phrase sons of God and see how God uses it in the entire

01:46:03

Bible and There's 20 or so Where it's plural sons of God not just son of God and we can see that it seems to be of angels

01:46:14

Seems to be a fallen angels. It seems to be of people and it seems to be of Christians Okay.

01:46:21

Now we've got to be we got to be careful. We don't want to commit what's called illegitimate totality transfer And what that means is that a word has a variety of meanings

01:46:30

It's a semantic domain has a variety of meanings and we don't want to take the meaning in one context and transfer it to another context

01:46:39

It's called illegitimate totality transfer And so we don't want to say that in Deuteronomy 32 8 that the term sons of God means

01:46:49

Christians Because it wouldn't make sense there So we have to look at it its own context

01:46:54

But we can see how God uses it as I just did a really quick Cursory study you find out that the term sons of God occurs

01:47:02

So many times in the Bible has different reference meanings and so may or may not help us when it come to this passage to see if there's any

01:47:10

Contextualization over the overall usage that would shed light on this. In other words. It's a big study, you know

01:47:17

Can I say something real quick? Okay By the way, thank you for clearing it up.

01:47:24

I really appreciate that It's I don't when I listen to people talk about different biblical scriptures

01:47:31

I like to ask people like, you know for multiple Viewpoints before I ever come to like a decision on good what

01:47:38

I believe so, you know So this is nothing to attack or anything, but I wanted to make a few points one of them is

01:47:48

Basically, I feel like I got caught up on the semantics of what besides me me

01:47:54

So the way I see it, I'm a semantic person I love definitions I love to figure out things and to understand stand it in a way where you know, like, okay if we look at this

01:48:05

Definition, how could we look at this context and you know and draw a conclusion from this, right?

01:48:10

So To at first would it seem to be for me when it says no other guys beside me

01:48:18

That meant that you know, nobody on my level, you know, that's how I kind of You know interpreted it, but well, how about this

01:48:28

Isaiah 47 8 I am and there is no one besides me Yeah, Isaiah 47 10.

01:48:34

I am and there was no one besides me. Yeah, that's and that's what I said I think that that definitely denies all

01:48:42

Possibilities of any other God exists, right? Oh when he says I don't even know of any others that should clarify it

01:48:49

I don't even know of any others Okay, got you see and that's and that's that's a very wise now my denier my personal one when

01:48:57

I was talking to somebody He didn't really have a response but I if we can jump into second

01:49:03

Kings 5 really quickly It's the story of Naaman who had leprosy it begins at 8 and and I think it ends around 13 and I'll just read the the key verse real quick because I don't want to read the whole thing

01:49:23

But it is second Kings 5 and it starts at 8 It's 15 it's 15 it says then

01:49:37

Naaman and all his attendants went back to the man of God He stood before him and said now

01:49:43

I know there that there is no God and all the world Except Israel, so please accept a gift from your servant so that's him confessing after being healed from leprosy and having a little bit of a disagreement with Elisha or whatever of The Prophet of God and when he had that disagreement and then someone

01:50:04

I think Counseled him or advised him to go ahead and do it. And so that was my other denier

01:50:09

But thanks for showing me 4310 and you clarified anything and if you want to continue to you know expand on that You're welcome to but I really appreciate it.

01:50:18

I'll look into that too, by the way All right. Sounds good, man. We got them the

01:50:27

Catholic back to get if he wants to speak the Catholic Peter diamond or whatever the other diamond brother thing is

01:50:37

Most holy Family monastery. I've heard I keep getting told that I need to debate this guy by Some furry

01:50:45

Catholics if you can believe that Anyway, you're on you're on man.

01:50:52

Yep. You're on or is yours You can speak. Hello Which one's the

01:50:59

Catholic? He goes by most holy family monastery.

01:51:04

So Yeah Floor is yours to speak now or never Speak now forever.

01:51:11

Hold your silence in peace in five four three two

01:51:18

Hey, yeah, I knew it. I knew what maybe I didn't want to do a quick shout out if that's right

01:51:26

To a Tyler Vela of the free thinker podcast. He he does a lot of research in that In that area specifically on terms like sons of God Just a fantastic scholar.

01:51:39

I he's a great friend Presbyterian which is you know forgivable, but The guy is automatically right on But yeah, anyway great great scholar scholar

01:51:59

I don't know if you know who that is Jay, but he runs a podcast called the free thinker podcast and talks extensively about stuff like that, so We'll get into definitions and word meanings and everything and just good stuff.

01:52:11

So, okay. Okay. Thank you. Yeah Absolutely. Yeah Yeah, um, so man don't

01:52:22

Man do a mom man do a mom. I think it's man do a mom, right? Yes, man do a mom floor is yours

01:52:32

Yeah, this is I I don't know asking for a friend

01:52:39

Um, so if you are if you've met married your husband in the church or a spouse let's say and You know all of a sudden over the years things have grown very toxic

01:52:53

Things the relationship has grown very toxic and You know, you try to take it through the church and do counseling through the church

01:53:03

But this is somebody who you know browbeats you if you don't attend church, but maybe you watch it online

01:53:10

I'm getting confused So I'm really paying attention and focusing so that's why

01:53:15

I'm getting confused so it's not you it's somebody else, you know Okay, you guys okay

01:53:23

That's all right. So he's browbeating you and the kids Well The children would be punished sometimes if they don't go

01:53:35

So your husband your husband goes to church. He does Okay, we did use we used to together with his job then it became impossible for him, which

01:53:45

I understood And then I would try to go but at this point the where we are and I'm not coming at a per as a perfect person is

01:53:55

That he is he attends a church if he speaks about God it's great and it's on point but his actions and his behavior and how he interacts with us is very

01:54:13

Different from the biblical teachings and you know what I you know

01:54:18

Understand a husband and wife should interact as and so my question is is at this point

01:54:24

It's been 15 years and it's been so negative. It's causing problems for our family.

01:54:29

It becomes daily day toxicity Negativity false accusations

01:54:37

From him and it's just not healthy, but I you know, he hasn't cheated on me

01:54:42

So I know that divorce is not one of my options I would like to support him, but this is just too negative and It compromises everything as a witness of God So what kind of church you going to Oh a

01:55:01

Calvary Chapel love the elders you talk to the elders about this Um, I it not the elders.

01:55:07

We've gone through counseling there, but he refused So you've not talked to the elders.

01:55:13

I Didn't know we had elders at this one. We're in a Okay. Okay.

01:55:18

It's a church. I attend Calvary Chapel. Normally they have elders, but sometimes they don't So if they don't have elders you need to go to the pastor and the pastor had us meet with marriage counseling

01:55:28

Okay, so you're going to the elders then and who's the marriage counseling? She's in the church.

01:55:35

She's yeah Same church. Yes through the same church. She's got her degree

01:55:41

But what serve as marriage and family counseling, but she chooses to dedicate her

01:55:50

Profession through the church, so it's done. That's all the only way she does counseling the church

01:55:55

All right, would your husband be willing to have a Skype meeting with you and him and me?

01:56:01

It's a huge fan of yours. Actually, I mean not that I am as well, you know, but he is or is not

01:56:08

Not he's a huge fan I am as well, but I'm sure well that just shows you that you're both really intelligent.

01:56:14

That's that's Right Exactly, that's all that's all that means that's kind of obvious.

01:56:22

Listen, I listen to Matt Slick. I'm smart see Let me tell you something

01:56:28

I do marriage counseling, I guess you know that right I do and I've counseled 35 couples over the years

01:56:37

And that couch right there normally what happens you don't live near me, so you can't do it but normally what happens is is they come over and then we talk and The shortest time

01:56:51

I've ever spent talking to anybody's been three hours And we talk because I need to hear see and go through stuff now 35 couples 31 of them.

01:57:02

It's been the man who's been the main problem Mm -hmm, and it there's a problem in in biblical manhood

01:57:10

When I counsel people I tell them that If they've gotten to me

01:57:16

It's because things are bad because I know what it is. I know how to fix any marriage if you believe the

01:57:23

Bible And you trust in Christ you tell me to be Christian. It's gonna work It's gonna work

01:57:30

Because that's the promise God has given to those who are covenantally faithful one to another and Then what

01:57:38

I do is I teach theology and I teach the woman's place and the man's place And they have to know their place and the men often misunderstand what their place is right, and so They need to be

01:57:52

Servants greater than their wives are that's hard to do But because they're the head they don't understand what that headship really means but at any rate if he's willing to I've been willing to you know, talk we get in the

01:58:06

Skype thing and We just go at it for a while You'd have to both be on camera, okay where I could see you both at the same time

01:58:18

Okay, you know why? Because I I would assume it you our reactions and our facial expressions will also give away some of You know

01:58:29

Honest you can maybe see it things like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and then I can mock people later when

01:58:36

I Know I don't do that.

01:58:43

I'm just teasing you My wife in fact what I tell people is they'll say would you talk or anybody else?

01:58:49

And my wife will say how'd it go? And I say it went well and she might say well, who's the main problem? I'll say usually it's the guy and what was the issue?

01:58:57

Uh, he was a little domineering and did you give him stuff? Yeah That's about it. I don't

01:59:02

I don't give details and I don't mind hearing from a Christian woman's perspective either She doesn't know anything.

01:59:08

She married me. You can't trust Come on she married me you can't trust her judgment.

01:59:15

So that's just off the table on automatically Apparently your wife is not in the house right now.

01:59:22

She's downstairs. So I'm safe. Okay Okay, I just want to publicly say online that I don't condone that statement.

01:59:28

So my wife doesn't hear it You are gonna get me in trouble man What's my wife and I were having an argument

01:59:36

I love my wife she is beautiful and Precious and smarter than me

01:59:44

Very much. Is she standing with a hand on her hip that kind of thing giving you the look You're trained pretty well, she's great

02:00:00

Anyway, go ahead Yeah, no, I think that I think that would be great thank you, you know

02:00:07

I had a couple other detail -based questions on this, but if you're going to meet with us Well, I don't want to taint your opinion one way or the other because it's just me here right now so How old you are?

02:00:20

I'm 42. How old is he? He's 37 15 years.

02:00:27

How many kids you got? I have one from a previous relationship before I found God. Yes and then

02:00:35

We have one a 14 year old together Okay All right, and he's willing to talk.

02:00:42

Let me know. Yeah Just email me at Matt slick at gmail .com

02:00:48

and hopefully I'll see it. I mean I've got in there Crazy and the thing up top you want a million dollars because we open all of those, right?

02:00:57

I probably yeah I always yeah, that's why my screen flickers Yeah, just type in something heretical and then you know something will snap.

02:01:06

Oh, yeah, there you go Kind of secreted a little bit of Some stuff there get into my brain, you know, my spiritual

02:01:22

Tourette's is gonna kick in Oh Okay, well, thank you and as holy did he come back on I really want to hear what he's got to say

02:01:30

But he did but I booted him out Hop in and say hey, this is what's going on.

02:01:41

I want to hear it. You know, it's right. We're never gonna hear it, right? I say it like it is

02:01:52

Period Yes. Yeah Sometimes they both usually get it

02:01:59

But usually usually it's the guy and Yeah, it is.

02:02:05

Yeah. I mean I I've had people sit in that couch and guys have said stuff. I'm like I've said Are you stupid?

02:02:12

Are you really that stupid say that about your wife right there? I mean, I've said that We're gonna go we're gonna duke it out right now, right, you know, but anyway

02:02:22

If you put that up on YouTube, I'll watch it What like one guy his wife is was overweight

02:02:31

I like you said this is I've counseled him several times I knew them and and she was definitely she could have lost 80 100 pounds and he was complaining about her weight

02:02:42

She was actually pretty You know, she lost weight. She'd have been gorgeous. And so, you know, he said he he's complaining a look at her

02:02:50

She's right there. She goes look at her. She's so big. She's so fat. It's just unattractive and And you know,

02:02:56

I said, well, she's had your kids to that does something to her body, you know And yeah, but she this yeah, but I go look at you.

02:03:02

You look like a Neanderthal. You have a big brows, I Watch you up here the stairs.

02:03:08

You drug your knuckles I mean I Love it appreciate everything that you've had to share and I will email you

02:03:35

Thank you guys, but I'm sure others are waiting and I don't want to monopolize everything. So, all right

02:03:41

We're gonna be wrapping up shortly. But yeah, we just got a couple more people in here guild.

02:03:46

I think it is I Go ahead unmute your mic. I think it's killed Can I take a break and use the restroom here?

02:03:55

I'm oh sure One minute, sorry, I'll be right back Puppets dance

02:04:09

Before you do tonight, I wanted to drop a link in for seeking she was speaking earlier about reaping

02:04:18

And so forth. I don't know if she's got her chat window open, but I posted a link in there that Might be something she'd be interested in looking at I believe she's on a phone.

02:04:30

So you want to probably be external hangout chat, so Not the internal one like we have right now that I didn't

02:04:41

I didn't know yeah I didn't know the phone didn't have the chat window You know Okay, okay.

02:04:48

Okay. Well she's here but did she see the link or I'm assuming so yep got the link. Thanks one.

02:04:54

There you go Fantastic. Okay, just don't pay attention to me then. I don't know anything

02:05:01

Technology works. Yeah Does so while we're waiting for Matt, maybe we'll just I don't know sing a song or something

02:05:16

Anybody got a favorite him. Yeah What was that again

02:05:23

Charlie, okay, I would certainly be booted if I saying anything. Yeah. Yeah All right, okay guild if you can unmute your mic and ask ask away if you can and I don't know

02:05:45

I see her. She's cut her audio Yeah, we see your see your video we don't see or hear you

02:05:56

Guilt, can you can you say anything? Hello? Can you wait? I'm scared right now.

02:06:02

Yeah Okay, it's she moved. She's she's definitely

02:06:09

Hello She has to unmute herself, right? Yeah, I think so how to do that You know there if you see your own window there a guild the little microphone with a slash through it click on that microphone and that's one way

02:06:25

I think the other way is to put your mouse at the top of the window and you can see the

02:06:32

Figures that things up there at icons and one of them. I have a mute Which is red see

02:06:41

Okay, so if you click it off it looks like you you might not have your microphone set up on your windows either

02:06:51

Possible or you can just type in your question Yeah on the right -hand side.

02:07:01

This should be a little text box for you to Oh guilds gold Seven videos from PhD Catholic apologists who know the biter better than any of us are so guild

02:07:11

Are you Catholic just nod your head if you are you Catholic? Yeah Hear me, you know, yeah

02:07:28

Move on Because seven PhDs doesn't mean anything, you know something

02:07:38

Let's see got this book I Got so many books all over the place.

02:07:45

I Have a book of 50 priests

02:07:52

Who left Catholicism? and became Protestants So, you know,

02:07:58

I mean seven PhDs who say this or that well about my 50 priests who left Catholicism I got

02:08:03

I've got the book someplace. I just have too many books. I don't know where it is so It really doesn't mean much

02:08:13

I guess you can't hear anybody else got a comment or question you want to say or ask Apparently guild is giving us

02:08:21

YouTube links that she wants us to view Well, this is a talk show kind of discussion.

02:08:27

So this is where you actually come on discuss things with Matt and ask questions and We're not here to watch videos

02:08:37

Interested in what you think the Catholic Church Knows better of the

02:08:44

Bible than say another Protestant Yeah And let's get it

02:08:56

Steve Ray, are you born again a Catholic response? She asked who has the authority to interpret the

02:09:02

Word of God Christians So what here's a

02:09:07

Common thing that Catholics will say and then what they do they don't understand that they are They're begging the question or assuming that authority is necessary in order to interpret

02:09:17

Scripture So that's why they ask who has the authority as though authority is necessary to interpret Scripture. So I'm going to put in a verse and I'm gonna see if we can interpret it now.

02:09:30

We're Protestants so that they would say we don't have The authority. Oh, here we go.

02:09:37

This is the verse. I'm gonna put it in the text. I'll show you. Oh, hold on a sec Here we go

02:09:43

There we go There it is

02:09:48

John 1135 Jesus wept the shortest verse in English and the Bible Now this is in the context of Lazarus had died and he went to the tomb and he wept

02:10:01

I'm gonna interpret this and see if you guys agree with my interpretation What I think it means when it says

02:10:07

Jesus wept is I I'm an interpret to mean that He had tears.

02:10:14

He's crying and he wept. That's that's my interpretation. What do you guys think? Am I right or wrong? I'm Boy that's a tough one

02:10:27

So gilled am I right is that what I do Do I need the authority of the

02:10:33

Catholic Church to interpret that Don't I read the authority to interpret that I don't need to do the authority to interpret the next verse either

02:10:45

That's what this verse says So the Jews were saying see how much he loved him.

02:10:50

See did you sing it see what Jesus loved Lazarus? I didn't need authority to interpret that no money needed in 30 when people say you'd have authority to interpret the scripture

02:11:00

They forfeited their own right to look at the Word of God and read it for themselves

02:11:07

Furthermore look at this watch this Authority shmore to be here we go

02:11:19

This is Romans 14 1 through 5 It's what it says

02:11:26

Now accept the one who's weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions

02:11:31

Opinion, wait a minute. Wait a minute Opinion like I'm Presbyterian. I believe in infant baptism, but not for the purpose of salvation.

02:11:38

I believe in covenantal baptism I don't think anybody else in here affirms that as my opinion their opinion differs from mine.

02:11:44

It's not an essential doctrine of the faith One person has faith that he may eat all things But he who is weak eats vegetables only the one who eats

02:11:52

Is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one Who eats for God has accepted him?

02:11:59

Who were you to judge the servant of another to his own master? He stands or falls and he will stick Lord is able to make him stand verse 5

02:12:06

One person regards one day above another another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind

02:12:15

If the authority the Roman Catholic Church is necessary in order to interpret scripture Why does Paul the Apostle say that each person must be fully convinced in his own mind?

02:12:22

because that would imply then that they have the authority to read the Word of God on their own and come up with different opinions and That's okay.

02:12:28

Paul the Apostle says So when people tell me, you know, you've got to have the authority to build interpret the

02:12:37

Word of God authority shmority You don't have to have that authority.

02:12:42

Does the Roman Catholic Church have the authority of God? No Jesus summoned his twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits to cast them out to heal every kind of disease and every kind of sickness

02:12:56

Matthew 10 1 verse 10 No, it's with verses that's 10 1

02:13:03

So the authority that they had the Roman Catholic Church claims that it has the authority from the Apostles And so the authority from the

02:13:11

Apostles is to be able to Cast out demons and to heal Alright now

02:13:19

I did an article on this recently. I'm gonna I don't have it all memorized yet Does the

02:13:24

Roman Catholic Church have the authority of Christ? That's the article on karm, and I'll put the link up here You can see it now check this out because what it says is

02:13:38

In Luke 5 24 to 25 but so that you may know the Son of God Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins

02:13:45

He said to the paralytic I say to you get up and pick up your stretcher and go home So in order for Jesus authority to be vindicated by Jesus own words

02:13:53

He made a command and the of healing and the guy was healed

02:14:00

Then Jesus Matthew 10 1 I already read he gave the authority to the other unclean spirits to the disciples and verse 8 heal the sick raise the dead cleanse the lepers cast out demons freely you receive freely give now

02:14:16

Jesus raised the dead on command he said Touched the coffin and he said young man.

02:14:22

I say to you arise Peter raised the dead on command Tabitha arise Acts 9 40 through 41

02:14:28

Peter healed on command in Acts 9 34 Peter said to Ananias Jesus heals you get up and make your bed

02:14:34

He immediately did it Paul healed on command at Lystra a man was sitting blah blah blah

02:14:39

Stand up right on your feet and he leaped up and began to walk now the authority that Christ had was on command to be able to exercise healings and various things in Matthew 10 1

02:14:51

Jesus gave the authority to the disciples and he gave it in verse 8 of Matthew 10 in order to go out there and heal the

02:14:57

Sick raised dead to the lepers the whole bit Peter and Paul did this on command Peter They were

02:15:03

Roman Catholics would say had the apostolic authority then let's see though the Roman Church Exemplify the same apostolic authority

02:15:12

Let's see now. So I don't know if you can talk. Okay, let's see the Roman Catholics Exemplify the same authority that they say they have that's given from Christ down to the

02:15:23

Apostles We see how that authority is exemplified and carried out by Jesus and the Apostles and the

02:15:28

Roman Catholic Church doesn't do it Now the Roman Catholic Church says well we have healings on command and even if it did

02:15:38

Matthew 7 22 and 23 Many will say to me on that day Lord Lord Do we not prophesy in your name cast out demons perform many miracles?

02:15:45

I never knew you get away from me you workers of evil You see the Roman Catholic Church has got a problem

02:15:51

Because it wants to say it has the authority, but the authority is not testable It's just a claim, but you don't need authority to interpret

02:15:58

Scripture, but yet it says you do What so you have to go to the Roman Catholic Church with its authority to tell you the truth now before I'm done one last thing how many verses has the

02:16:10

Roman Catholic Church officially interpreted in 2 ,000 years the most

02:16:15

I've ever heard is 15 Yeah, we don't hear you.

02:16:25

You'll do good turn up your sound I'm not even sure. Yeah, she has a microphone.

02:16:31

Maybe she just doesn't have a microphone. That's why the microphone is unmuted But I think it's muted on her computer.

02:16:38

Yeah, we're not hearing her Skilled if you're using Windows the bottom right -hand side of your

02:16:44

Windows screen is Called the tray you'll see the date or the time and to the left of that.

02:16:52

You will see a speaker Right mouse click on that speaker go to open sound settings right mouse click on the speaker to bottom right and then it'll say choose your output device and hopefully

02:17:09

Input it's the microphone. She needs the microphone. So it's input device. Yeah input not output.

02:17:14

That's right Device not output. You're right. Yeah on input.

02:17:20

It says choose your input device And then make that if you're on a laptop use your laptop microphone

02:17:28

Yep, welcome to tech tonight with Matt slick Incidentally one of my favorite things to do period is to build a computer from boxes packages and everything all the way up It's a right.

02:17:45

I know it's fun What's that, uh, you would love my computer.

02:17:52

Oh, I'm very much Okay, we're gonna do this

02:18:01

Here I have an X an MSI x2 99 carbon gaming a

02:18:07

C with a 1080 Ti graphics card 64 gigabytes

02:18:14

Will try to Z DDR 5 yo, oh

02:18:19

DDR 4 or yeah at 3200. I have

02:18:26

Awesome. It's like a 60 more video card, isn't it? Yeah Yeah, and Corsair hydropump for the

02:18:41

CPU cooler. Oh, I have an 8700 X CPU Hey, yours is you've got a faster machine than I do

02:18:52

I have a nice heaven and my motherboards. My mobo is three years old But I got 32 gigs of DDR 3 in it, but it works, yeah

02:19:03

I have to 27 inch 4k monitors with a 32 Up there as well.

02:19:09

You're rocking 4k. What do you what do you what's your graphics card? It's a 280 buck graphic card of 580

02:19:17

AMD because it has to have free sync on it And you're rocking 4k.

02:19:22

Wow I'm doing 4k right now. That's right because I spent all day on this computer

02:19:28

So and I have a half a I get a 500 gig SSD in fact here check this out.

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Look at this Look at this 500 gig

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SSD. That's what I got 500 gig SSD 500 gig

02:19:50

SSD 500 gig SSD and one in the computer and I got hard drives everywhere

02:19:59

You know two terabytes. No, if you're constantly uploading stuff, I I highly recommend getting m .2

02:20:05

storage It is insanely fast. It's so fast. I got a terabyte of it

02:20:11

Wait, wait, wait m .2. Yeah It's so fast. It's lightning fast

02:20:18

Like It's like it's like 15 times SSD. It's crazy. What?

02:20:23

Yeah, it's so fast. I Put all my games and stuff on there. It's it's lightning Writing and research, you know, and even then oh and I use my speech recognition program and even then it's not fast enough for me

02:20:36

I want that's why I got this. I'm gonna be building myself a new system So I'm gonna be moving this stuff over into a new system.

02:20:43

I get Huh, oh, yeah man,

02:20:48

I Can tell already you and I if we had all the parts. Oh, yes

02:20:53

Yeah, I'm gonna build this baby up put some, you know, put this thing. Oh, it'd be like delightful

02:20:59

I mean, I love doing it. I would do it motherboard and rub it on my chest Do I need to get the fire hose out?

02:21:13

Yeah, yeah, I love it. I'm out of touch with a lot of the new stuff though But because you know, but I used to be a computer tech at Hewlett -Packard

02:21:22

Anyway, okay. Okay, we're done 18 away 0 .2 storage.

02:21:28

Yeah Check this link out. You should not have told me this

02:21:37

It's so fast Oh Is it RAM no, it's

02:21:42

SSD. Mm -hmm. But is it for it's gonna remember for a non -viable

02:21:51

Yeah Ability on it. Oh It's just so fast.

02:21:57

I mean no because like an SSD can you know, you got so many rewrites before it's no good anymore Oh, no, it's all flash.

02:22:03

You can do it. You can do it as many times. There's no disk. Oh, so it's flash Yeah, got you.

02:22:09

Oh, I see what you're talking about For the RAM configuration because that's a sim.

02:22:15

Oh Wait a minute. That's a weird what kind of sim ending dude. I need a motherboard that fits that now 3400 megabytes per second writes 1 ,500 megabytes per second just ridiculous speed

02:22:33

That's faster than I think I Should say well, it's not that fast then is it

02:22:42

I'm actively distracting this. I'm sorry Any other man? So we hate this this can serve as RAM It says

02:22:53

SSD Okay, we'll have to talk another time. Okay Okay, oh yeah, yeah, so I want to get an aquarium for you

02:23:04

We need to get another mobo first, that's that's definitely that's step one need to get you out of that dd3 ddr3 well, you got four now and I want to do up and But you know,

02:23:14

I just needed to research and for high graphics I don't play games except for chess and things like that doesn't take it.

02:23:20

There's nothing in there So I just need complete research But if I can get something that's so fast, I might do some game entertainment because these monitors can handle that Yeah All right, all right, you know, we've been going at it now for two and a half hours we're not able to seem to I mean

02:23:42

Yo, let me we appreciate you coming in here and all that but it makes it much better for you to actually speak so we can actually converse with you back and forth and have a dialogue and Unfortunately, we're just not able to your links.

02:23:57

We'll check out and Anyway, we'll go ahead Okay apparently

02:24:06

Amanda mom has 30 more Amanda mom has like 34 more questions You know what

02:24:15

I've been looking a little bit as video stuff I can I know I've heard so many Catholics Twist the

02:24:21

Word of God and twist and and just put lies into their stuff I know I could refute every single one of these guys

02:24:29

Unless it's not with the Trinity You take the authority to interpret the

02:24:35

Word of God away from the Catholic Church They're screwed. Yeah, exactly. So they're gonna fight tooth and nail for that, right?

02:24:45

It's Salvation's in the church. It's an our authority. We'll tell you what it means.

02:24:50

We're gonna come to I hate that That's what the cults do It's just not possible for me ever

02:24:58

Because I say can I also say that I swear they have like a script because the last question just rose

02:25:04

Where do you think the Bible came from? I swear they they use the same thing all the time

02:25:09

I think I know you gave you the Bible even if you did which

02:25:14

I don't concede Even if you did my next question is then why don't you obey it? Yeah, how many works you got they got to do as a

02:25:25

Roman Catholic? You know paragraph 2068 in the Catholic Catechism clearly says it says That you you attain salvation through faith baptism and keeping the

02:25:35

Commandments. I could talk all night on that faith Baptism and keeping the

02:25:40

Commandments you keeping the commandment. No. Well, then you can't be saved. Oh, you're gonna try

02:25:46

That's not keeping them keeping them not trying keeping them and what the Catholic Church says you got to do for salvation is blasphemous

02:25:56

Blasphemous, it's just it's it is the biggest gate of damnation of any religion on the planet

02:26:05

Because it's the biggest religion on the planet and it's going to play a part with the

02:26:11

Antichrist in the end times Yeah, I do not like Catholicism.

02:26:17

Maybe one day. I'll do a thing here I'll share my screen and I'll go over material and I'll teach on Catholicism and I will show you how utterly

02:26:25

Bankrupt it really is how corrupt it is But it teaches about Mary this blasphemies about Mary how

02:26:33

Pope Pius XI Oh, I could read you what Pope Pius XI said guys

02:26:38

I don't know if I've done this in years. It is so blasphemous what he said. It's just ridiculous.

02:26:44

I could do that Easily I do not like Catholicism because I do not like the

02:26:50

Pharisaical attitude the Sadducee Attitude that they have of being the ones who are in control

02:26:56

Being like the unrighteous judges of Israel that the Pharisees in the time of Christ Leading the people who want to trust and hope in them leading them to damnation because they lie to them believing their own lies they

02:27:09

Spread those lies down to the people This the darn catholics are going to rot in hell because of the lies of the roman catholic church that apostate whore of babylon

02:27:21

I hate roman catholicism. I hate the doctrine. I hate what it does.

02:27:27

I hate how it blasphemes god I hate how it presents the masses a re -sacrifice over and over again

02:27:33

How it makes you submit to the authority of the roman catholic church how it puts? Burdens and burdens upon you you can't even keep and says you must go to the priest to be forgiven over and over and over And over and over again your salvation is tied up in that harlot

02:27:46

You have to go to that harlot to get your fill to get your feed of grace that comes to you because grace to them

02:27:53

Is a substance that's infused into you and the more you get through the sacerdotal system the more righteous you are before god

02:27:59

So your salvation depends on the authority the roman catholic church that authority is a blasphemous thing from the roman catholic church, it's

02:28:08

It's demonic because it means that they are the ones who could tell you what god's word means

02:28:13

You can't even go to it yourself Even though paul said each person must be fully convinced in his own mind that refutes flat out

02:28:21

What the roman catholic church says about coming to it and its authority? What paul's saying is you can read the word of god on your own and get it.

02:28:26

You don't need any sneaking authority I've studied so much of the cults So much of mormonism so much of jehovah's witnesses so much of islam over the years.

02:28:36

I see the same thing in roman catholicism You got to go to that group that restored gospel in this case the original gospel

02:28:42

You have to go to their authority their prophet their priest their king their pope their whatever in order to be saved in order to Have it given to you by their wisdom and their knowledge their authority all the while leading you to the gates

02:28:56

Of hell so that you can drop into the abyss and rot with the enemy of the gospel forever

02:29:03

That's what the roman catholic church is about That's what the roman catholic church does and in the end time when the antichrist comes it's going to work with the antichrist in order to Foment more deception.

02:29:14

In fact, a lot of people don't know this. It's already courting islam Trying to say that islam in fact,

02:29:20

I got a quote They say that islam serves the same god as the christians. This is what the roman catholic church says how?

02:29:27

Stupid how stupid could you be? for anybody to say that idiocy blasphemy filth lies

02:29:37

That's the roman catholic church is to me I mean read listen to these catholic priests talk about stuff

02:29:44

I could rip them to shreds because they don't stand on truth. They don't stand on god's word They stand on misinterpretation the half truth logic fallacies and the authority of the roman catholic church

02:29:54

There are just as much deceivers as the enemy of the gospel is because he's working through them

02:30:03

Can I get a mic drop I Think about the catholic church and it needs to repent

02:30:11

It needs to repent and stop teaching its heresies it does

02:30:18

You know, I mean i'll talk to catholics, but you know when I talk to them i'm gonna ask them questions You know, it's just ridiculous.

02:30:25

I know plenty of catholic priests that know the whole lot better than you Really? How much do

02:30:31

I know? Do you know how much I know in the bible? How many verses have they got memorized?

02:30:38

You know how long I've been studying the bible guild You know how long you know plenty of catholic priests would know it better if that's true.

02:30:46

Do you does it mean that they're right? Because all I got to do is go to the word of god We maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law

02:30:55

Romans 3 28 or I can go to romans 4 5 to the one who does not work but believes his faith is credited as righteousness

02:31:01

Oh, then go to james 2 James 2 24 Dirty word you ready context.

02:31:12

Let's read the context Well call the catholic priest out for what he really is a servant of the evil one and he needs to repent holding up a monstrance after his sorcery

02:31:24

Saying that he does a certain thing with the wafer and a certain thing at a certain time and it changes

02:31:29

From the wafer into the actual body blood of christ It actually changes when he does this certain ritual it's called sorcery

02:31:37

Then they put it in a monstrance and it's the body and blood of christ and they worship it This is paganism and then they bow before mary and they worship mary

02:31:50

Here hold on a sec guys What's this i'm telling you catholicism makes me mad

02:32:00

Just like mormonism does This is what it says, this is the catholic catechism paragraph 841

02:32:09

This is what the official roman catholic theology is. This is official in the roman catholic church The church's relationship with the muslim the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the creator

02:32:20

In the first place amongst whom are the muslims These profess to hold the faith of abraham and together with us

02:32:29

They adore the one merciful god mankind's judge on the last day. You know what?

02:32:34

That's a true statement It is true. The muslims and the catholics do worship the same god

02:32:43

Not the one I worship The one I worship teaches salvation by grace alone through faith alone in christ alone paragraph

02:32:51

One four four excuse me surah 4 171 in the in the quran denies that jesus christ was even crucified

02:32:57

It denies a doctrine of the trinity. It denies that jesus christ is god in flesh That's what islam does in the quran and look what this idiot stupid statement says

02:33:08

The first place amongst us are the muslims these profess to hold the faith of abraham together with us

02:33:14

They adore the one merciful god. They adore the one merciful god They adore the trinitarian god with the incarnation of christ.

02:33:21

Well, they do not And yet they get this wrong in the catechism

02:33:27

What is wrong with them See, I would take a priest and say is this true? Come on, mr.

02:33:33

Priest. Is this true? Do you and the muslims share the faith in the same?

02:33:39

one merciful god Because in islam allah is not merciful And it's called inshallah that means if allah wills

02:33:48

And you could be perfect in your law keeping according to the quran and inshallah if allah wills he'll send you to hell

02:33:56

He's arbitrary He's not merciful. He's untrustworthy this blasphemy of the roman catholic church

02:34:06

Guild if you are in it and you believe roman catholicism, you are in a state of damnation and you need to repent

02:34:13

You need to come to faith in jesus christ and jesus christ alone That's whose salvation is in it's not in the authority of some group some person some anything other than jesus

02:34:25

He has the authority but it's not in some church authority some church structure some church Anything that some stupid group goes around saying we have the authority of god.

02:34:35

We are the ones Hey folks, we have the authority. You don't have the authority to interpret god's word You can't tell us what john 11 35 means jesus wept you can't do that We had to tell you what it is.

02:34:47

How many verses you've interpreted 11 in the entire 2 000 years So they've not interpreted infallibly 99 .997

02:34:55

percent of the bible and they get one verse every 200 years and then they change their stuff and then they say that mary can

02:35:01

Be worshipped and I have the documentation on my shelf right back there. Mary's worshipped And mary is the one that you have to go to in these stupid apparitions of mary

02:35:16

Catholicism is a bankrupt piece of crap. It's a false religion and it leads people to damnation

02:35:22

And every protestant should be standing against it. It's vile teaching. It's false teachings

02:35:28

Every christian should be against that whore of babylon. It may or may not be the actual whore revelation, but it certainly is a worthwhile contender

02:35:39

I'm going to do this a little bit more since you guys are letting me go this kind of stuff makes me mad I'm going to read some apparitions that the roman catholic church says really is mary

02:35:48

This is what it says really is mary the roman catholic church has officially said this is really mary 1531 guadalupe, mexico

02:35:58

Appearing to juan diego. This is what the apparition says Know for sure my dearest little one and youngest son that I am the perfect the perfect And ever virgin mary, that's what the bible says.

02:36:12

She lost her virginity. He kept her virgin until jesus was born matthew 125, but hey

02:36:18

Who cares about scripture? This is another apparition from guadalupe in 1531

02:36:23

I am truly your merciful mother yours and all the people who live united in this land and all the people

02:36:29

Other people of different ancestries my lovers who love me those who seek me those who trust in me here

02:36:37

I will hear their weeping their complaints heal all those their sorrows hardships and sufferings

02:36:42

So now the apparition is saying all those who come to me who seek me who trust in me

02:36:47

The holy spirit bears witness of jesus christ The father bears witness of jesus the prophets bear witness of jesus the scriptures bear witness of jesus.

02:36:53

Jesus bears witness of himself What does this apparition do come to me? Those who seek me those who trust in me.

02:37:01

That's not the spirit of christ another apparition Appearance in guadalupe 1531.

02:37:07

Am I not her? Excuse me? Am I not here I who am your mother? Are you not under my shadow and protection?

02:37:14

Am I not the source of your joy? Are you not in the hollow of my mantle in the crossings of my arms?

02:37:20

Do you need anything more? The implication of the rhetorical question is no you don't need anything more than mary

02:37:26

You don't need anything more than being in her shadow her protection She's a source of your joy in the hollow of her mantle in the crossing of her arms

02:37:35

You don't even need jesus because you got mary blasphemous pig doctrine This is 1917 fathom of portugal may 13th incidentally

02:37:47

Are you willing to offer yourselves to god to bear all the sufferings? He wants to send you as an act of reparation for the sins by which he's offended and for the conversion of sinners

02:37:56

Now, wait a minute. The apparition is now saying that these three children here What they have to do is suffer to make the sins that god's offended by make them better That's blasphemy

02:38:10

That is blasphemy That is blasphemy Jesus blood is what cleanses of our sins

02:38:19

Nothing we can do can contribute to the work of christ Nothing we can do the best we've got are filthy rags before god isaiah 64 6

02:38:28

And here this false apparition which the roman catholic church can't even tell the false apparition and why can't it?

02:38:34

Because it has its own authority and it puts its authority over the word of god and it reads its tradition equal to authority

02:38:40

And it has a tradition So it tells you what is equal to scripture and it has to falsely interpret the scripture of god in order to make its blasphemous

02:38:48

Teachings be consistent with its blasphemies in his churches on a weekly daily basis

02:38:54

This is what it says. Jesus wants to make make me known and loved He wishes to establish the devotion to my immaculate heart throughout the world

02:39:03

I promise salvation to whoever embraces it these souls will be dear to god like flowers put by me to adorn

02:39:10

This throne so wait a minute. So this apparition in fatima portugal 1917 Jesus wants to use you these children to make me known and loved really

02:39:21

Jesus has come to me and I will give you rest at 11 27 28. That's what he says.

02:39:27

He didn't say to go to anybody else Salvation is found in christ not in mary Because she this apparition this false demonic apparition

02:39:35

Says he jesus wishes to establish the devotion to my immaculate heart. Are you freaking kidding me?

02:39:42

The immaculate heart of mary devotion to it what there's this heart i'm gonna have devotion to it.

02:39:47

Are you kidding me? I promise salvation whoever embraces it.

02:39:53

What's the it? The devotion to an immaculate heart of mary the apparition promises salvation.

02:39:59

What does the devil do? He lies? He lies this is lies

02:40:08

And how do I know it's lies because the scriptures don't teach this

02:40:15

The scriptures don't teach this the scriptures speak against it

02:40:21

There's one mediator between man and god the man christ. Jesus first. Timothy 2 5

02:40:27

Jesus says come to me all who have you laid and I will give you rest with you 11 28 Here's the third apparition

02:40:35

The third apparition of mary in fatima july 13th Sacrifice yourself for sinners and say often to jesus, especially whenever you make sacrifice

02:40:46

Oh jesus It is for the love of thee for the conversion of sinners and in reparation for the sins committed against the immaculate heart of mary

02:40:55

Now they have to make reparations for sins committed against mary Anybody who's filled with the spirit of god would recognize the demon speaking here

02:41:13

And how do they recognize the demon speaking it because they know what the truth is The truth is jesus.

02:41:19

Jesus says come to me. Jesus says he's the way he's the truth. He's the life

02:41:24

He's the bread. He's the door. Jesus is the way never do you find anybody a prophet god the father?

02:41:33

mary The holy spirit scriptures the apostles you never find anybody pointing anybody anywhere except to jesus

02:41:41

These false apparitions which are demonic manifestations, they're demons fallen angels

02:41:49

That are pretending to be mary now in order for that to happen. There has to be a door opened A door must be opened in order for the occult to get through Doors have to be opened.

02:42:01

I know I used to be involved in the occult. I can teach on it You have to have a door opened in order for demonic forces to be able to get in this happens in portugal heavily catholic area heavily catholic which is heavily superstitious heavily you wear medallions you wear um,

02:42:24

Those those cloth rags i'm so angry. I can't remember um Someone will type it in You wear those things you go to the priest you pray to mary you serve mary.

02:42:35

These are all Combinations of opening up a door occult door because it's necromancy

02:42:42

Contacting the dead praying for the dead having the dead intercede for you Having the false teachings of which righteousness go in having go to the authority of a priesthood that worships objects like the monstrance

02:42:56

And it re -sacrifices christ. I know that's a representation. No, it's a re -sacrifice because they say it's propitiatory and they do it all the time

02:43:05

This is called opening up demonic doors And this is exactly what's happened in portugal and it's exactly what happened in guadalupe.

02:43:13

Mexico because of their paganism their uh, Their animism their various forms that were already in the land and what roman catholicism does is not seek regeneration in the heart

02:43:24

It seeks indoctrination of the mind not regeneration of the heart where it points to christ who then saves you it teaches salvation

02:43:32

Is to be obtained through participation in their sacramental system that they have the authority to give to you

02:43:39

And what that means is it's salvation by ritual It's salvation by doing it's salvation by incantation

02:43:47

The exact same thing that was already present with the people groups there And so they are ripe and ready to walk right into the occult system of the roman catholic church

02:43:58

And in so doing what's happening is the occult doors are simply open We have these demonic manifestations and the roman catholic church says hey, it's really her the roman catholic church has no authority

02:44:10

What so stinking ever it does not represent christ. It does not represent the truth

02:44:15

It represents demonic forces and demonic teaching in its false doctrines And I bet you

02:44:22

I personally believe this is my opinion. I believe that in the vatican are demons walking the halls whispering into the ears of their servants the priests and the bishops

02:44:33

Teaching them what to say and in putting upon them and within them demonic doctrines in order to deceive millions of more now

02:44:44

We need to have more men who get upset like this who know the truth of god's word who stand on the word of god

02:44:49

And like luther i'll say It's the word of god I stand on I can do no other as the roman catholic church sought to kill him

02:44:58

To murder him like it did so many others Because he stood on the word of god because he would not agree with what they said that the word of god meant

02:45:06

But they don't have any authority. They can't even discern truth from error when it comes to their mariolatry

02:45:13

Little by little the mariolatry Through the centuries has grown and grown and grown

02:45:20

So that now She's worshiped and i've got the documentation And she's deified

02:45:28

She's deified because she can hear all prayers of all people in all languages that are thought that are spoken

02:45:36

Simultaneously all over the planet and she can answer them That's mary

02:45:45

Where did they get that not god's inspired word

02:45:51

They did not get it from god's word They got it from their sacred tradition

02:45:58

What is sacred tradition? Sacred tradition is that tradition that they say is sacred

02:46:05

What tradition where the tradition come from does pope bob say to pope frank in the vatican?

02:46:10

Hey, do you hear the one about mary walking down the road and then it becomes codified later on in 200 years? Because everyone starts believing it where'd it come from?

02:46:17

How do they know? Oh the church has the authority How do you know it has the authority has the authority to interpret tradition?

02:46:23

Tradition and scripture are equal. Why do they say tradition and scripture are equal because They are elevating themselves tradition to the level of god.

02:46:33

They are the unrighteous judges of psalm 82 You see look inspired word of god inspired

02:46:41

Tradition of man not inspired roman catholic church's authority. Hey, it is inspired who has that tradition

02:46:48

We do who tells you what their tradition means we do who tells you what the word of god means we do

02:46:55

That's how can we know mary appears and you can pray to her and she can hear everything That's why they call her the all holy one the one who's second to eve that you can entrust your cares to mary

02:47:10

Devotion to mary have mary pray for you. Mary is worshiped A no better way than to look to mary entrusting ourselves to mary in prayer

02:47:18

Mary sits at the right hand of god. Mary is second only to jesus mary taken into heaven No one goes to christ but through mary mary's the advocate the helper the mediatrix the mother of the members of christ

02:47:29

She's preserved from original sin. Mary is the queen over all things Mary brings us the gifts of eternal life

02:47:35

Mary the advocate the mediatrix mary helped make atonement for our sins mary crushed the head of the serpent

02:47:44

Mary delivers souls from death. Mary brings the gifts of eternal salvation. Mary's preparing a home for you. Mary.

02:47:49

Here's your prayers the idolatry of the roman catholic church is so perverse and pervasive

02:48:01

That those people who are inculcated to teach by repetition Who are inculcated into the marian cult inside of the roman catholic church

02:48:11

Have been given over to the judgment of god upon them They're believing the lie and then according to roman chapter 1 verse 31

02:48:20

They promote it and encourage it to others and that's what the roman catholic church is doing It's a servant of the evil one and they need to repent

02:48:30

All right, I can go on but you guys got to go that's what

02:48:36

I think about Thanks, man All right, uh

02:48:50

Yeah, we'll go ahead and call it good there Yeah Just so you know

02:48:59

This is what happened when charlie spine Charlie in the room here

02:49:06

In 1980 when we first met I only met him one week earlier He read to me the quote from joseph smith where he boasted he did more than even jesus to keep a church together

02:49:16

And it made me so mad that I started studying Partly the anger

02:49:21

I have against the lies of the devil That bring people to damnation

02:49:27

Partly that anger that hatred for that lie Motivates me to study And to expose the lies of the enemy

02:49:35

And then when I die All I want to do is bow my face before my lord That's it

02:49:42

And just say lord jesus you receive all the glory and the praise Period that's all

02:49:50

All right, but now i'm done Amen and amen.

02:49:57

All right. Uh, yeah, you have control so you can go ahead and shut it down anytime you want there matt Okay, all right

02:50:06

Give us the uh, the true gospel of uh, grace alone and faith alone. Okay. Yeah You know,

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I should have done that but you're right. Let me do that. This is Heard the lie. Let's hear the truth The truth oh the truth is wonderful The truth is a blessing the truth is in the garden when adam and eve sinned

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And they hid themselves and the pre -incarnate christ Killed an animal animal skins shed blood and covered them

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They did nothing but hide nothing but their sin and god acted upon them The euangelia the protoangelium the first mention of that gospel right there that first enacting

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That message and that type has been repeated throughout the old testament till the time and i'll skip the types and representations

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But we get to the new testament And we find this person jesus christ god in flesh

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Who Kept the law perfectly first peter 2 22 God in flesh john 1 1 verse 14 colossians 2 9.

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He is the one who did all of everything that we need And he took our sin in his body on the cross first peter 2 24

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He fulfilled the law that we can't do He took care of the sin that we could never take care of he

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He's the one Who took our place isaiah 53 4 through 6 He let us

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Whip him And beat him falsely accused him Make him carry that cross

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Go to the place of golgotha And with his back ripped open

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He spread his arms. They nailed his wrists to the wood and lifted him up And his bones dropped

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I mean they The joints popped the bones were out of joint Blood down his back his face

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His body and he stayed there We know about the law

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We can't keep that law. Don't lie. Don't cheat. Don't steal love god perfectly love your neighbor perfectly

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That's a standard of the law drew number 27 26 got to keep it perfectly We know we can't and yet he did and we understand this intellectually, but what we often forget

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Is that that man jesus christ god in flesh? What he allowed us

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To do to him to injure him

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To let us mankind Lie to him

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Lie about him falsely accuse him And then make him go to the place where we should have

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And he stayed there So that he could redeem the ones like us

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And he died with our sin in his body And three days later that body with holes in it rose from the dead retaining the wounds of his crucifixion retaining the wounds of his torture his agony and then

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He forgave And he gave of himself freely

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So that all who simply trust in what jesus did Not what they can do

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Not what I can do not what you can do Not what baptism does not what church authority does not what church membership does not what keeping commandments does

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But what jesus did alone on that cross? Is complete and sufficient and the only thing we can do is trust in what he did by faith because that's all we've got left

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Because everything we believe and do and touch everything about us is touched by sin. Even our belief isn't perfect enough

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But yet he grants that we believe philippians 1 29 works that faith in us john 6 20 29 and faith has its power because of Who it's in?

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And so if you put your faith in your power, excuse me, you put your faith in christ alone. It has great power And faith has that ability because it connects with god through the blood of christ to save us from our sins

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To have the righteousness of god reckoned to our account philippians 3 9 So that we can be made before god

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Salvation is to be saved from the righteous judgment of god. Salvation is to be saved from god Salvation is to be saved from going to hell

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And the only way that can be done Is to trust in what christ has done and for you to add or for anybody to add anything they do to supplement

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What god has done on the cross is to say that what he did is not sufficient Because he said it is finished

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On the cross and everything he did as necessary for salvation was finished there And all we got to do

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Is all we can do Is drop before that cross on our knees in the dirt

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Drop our hands down Raise them up into the air with our heads facing down And ask jesus to forgive us

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It's completely up to his mercy and his grace Not our works Not our ability

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The gospel is simple Trust in the lord. Jesus christ alone for your salvation Because he alone is the savior.

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He alone can save And you can't add anything And to do so in any way is to accuse him of being insufficient

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It's saying he didn't do enough and you got to do the rest And that means you're not trusting in him but him and yourself and you

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Are not good enough Trust in christ alone Ask jesus to forgive you of your sins

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Ask him Don't have to go to a priest go to jesus Don't have to go to the sacraments go to jesus.

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Don't have to go to Church go to jesus and ask jesus to forgive you of your sins

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Ask jesus trust in him. He won't point you to anybody else Or any place else he'll point you himself that's where salvation is in christ in christ alone.

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Amen Amen, amen. Thank you very much

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I'm long -winded tonight, aren't I? Yeah, you're on fire Why is the enemy does that to me

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All right I guess i'm going to step out. So all right guys, i'm going to close it in five seconds