Open Discussion with Matt Slick, 3/20/2024

Getting this thing going.

Hopefully you guys can hear you check this out here.

Let's see.

There we go.

That should be working.

Why isn't it working?

Nothing's working.

There we go.

Wow, that was unexpected.

Any rates.

So I finally got this thing working and Wednesday night when I'm

kind of hoping that might happen is As I work the rest of this a little bit of a late start I had a

problem getting something going here for this thing and took me five or ten minutes longer than my thought.

So that's why I'm a little bit late getting started.

So.

What what this is I hope will be.

Maybe I don't know.

We'll see if it's gonna be.

You can hear me good.

I Have to get the calendar thing going so I get to work on that as well and get it up in a couple places.

He posted on Clubhouse Let me work on one thing at a time.

Like I was telling people I got stuck trying to fix something for this and it just took a long time.

Something wasn't working, right?

I just Scrap it and go someplace else and and create something.

So now what I'm doing is going into the Calendar right now.

I'm gonna put the information in for the calendar and Then I'll get the other stuff going.

So if you guys want to come in here You can.

The.

That's the stream yard link.

So this is what I'm gonna do.

Let's see.

This happens, but let's see.

Um, I'm Hoping some anti -calvinists come in.

Because so there's been a lot of people who have just been snotting on it lately and causing I think

causing problems.

And so.

Hey Charlie, how you doing man?

Hey doing well, okay.

All right, am I very late.

No, no I was late getting started so I Had a little bit of a tech thing.

I had to get going.

And I had a file that wouldn't work right and to get it.

Anyway, here I am.

Okay.

We'll see a people join.

What's that?

I said we'll see how many people join and have a good time.

We'll see.

All righty.

That's true.

Okay, so there you go and you watch go to

Jenna have this stuff done well before but.

That's all right.

Things don't always work out like you planned.

That's for sure.

And we'll see if anybody.

There we go.

We'll see if anybody Joins.

All right.

There's let's say Salinas.

Welcome.

How are you doing?

Alright, good afternoon.

Being ourselves.

I could understand you.

Sorry. Sorry.

Can you hear me now?

Yes.

Yes, I do.

I'm doing great.

How about yourself?

Oh.

Hanging in there just you know, whatever right now at the moment.

Hey, man, I said a quick question.

Sure.

I'm sure you've seen the interview with the American Gospel.

Thing goes the interview according to the concerning the gift of the spirit, right?

I think it was Justin Peters and I forgot the other guy's name.

No, I haven't seen it.

Do you see it?

No, because it'll probably make me mad, okay.

But anyway, there are some things that I was Interesting.

But I like I like, you know that the fact that there are both respectful both both sides

are being respectful to each other and They were able to call themselves brothers, you know, regardless regardless of

their of their position.

Or their position in terms of the gifts of the spirit or not, you know what they believe.

But I do I do have a question did you Did you know about these the anti

-semitism of Martin Luther, what are your thoughts on that?

Yeah, he made some mistakes.

That's for sure.

He blamed the Jews for a lot of stuff.

Yeah, he blew it.

Yeah.

But would you consider him as a.

How I say I?

Guess what?

I'm trying to go at it's good.

Justin Peter was saying that you know that Sid Roth.

I'm sure you you you heard Sarah before Sid Roth.

Sid Roth, okay.

Yeah, so, you know how he.

You know, he brings up guests and whatnot and they have some crazy visions or you know.

You just don't know if they're all true or not.

But anyways, Justin Peters made the claim that you know that.

That for him Sid Roth is not a brother in Christ.

He's a charlatan.

Etc, etc, etc.

So then Michael Brown came back and say well, what do you think about?

The.

What about Martin Luther?

You know, he said he had seen or Martin Luther also said that he has seen some dreams of God.

Or visions of God that you know, he commanded do things that were not right and I'm guessing the anti

-semitism stuff.

So anyway, so it's a double standard, right?

So, you know, would you call him a false prophet or false teacher?

So that's where Justin Peters kind of kind of back, you know, he kind of just.

Can I see where he was a.

They didn't want to come on Luther a false teacher, which I understand, right?

But I think that if we're gonna call somebody a false teacher like, you know this case said Roth then

We met you know, we have to measure the same way.

How are you gonna mention a person?

Well, so.

Without knowing some details because I think a lot of times Details are really important when discussing something

like this.

So and so said this or said that and.

That's what I'm curious about is to know.

What might have been said in the context?

So I know that Luther was an anti -semite.

It doesn't make him a non -christian.

Okay.

By the way, Matt is it is covered.

What is this car sir?

I just jumped in the stream yard.

Are you are you going over some studies or nope?

Just open discussion to see what happens.

That's it.

I was hoping some anti -calvinists would come in here because that's kind of what generated it

is.

I've noticed I think because of Layton flowers and some others that they're becoming rabid anti -calvinists and

I don't want you know, they don't have to be Calvinist, but the idea of causing division in the body of Christ.

That's what's concerning me and it really is and so I wanted to see if I could Just deal with

some questions.

But I'm gonna test this headset thing here really fast really so that you guys can If you say something to me

go ahead and say something so I can hear it in here.

Yeah, can you hear me now?

Okay.

Yes.

How about the regular?

You got that.

I guess you don't have me, huh?

Well, we don't have you now.

I can see Charlie and Matt, but I just can't hear Matt.

Yeah, Matt.

What?

What milk.

I hear you good, but not mad.

I think he's on mute.

I'm not sure.

There we go.

It's supposed to be working.

Try this.

Yeah, I'm on the instant instant what the camera.

But this is supposed to work because I can hear you.

So I was a little curious because it's a new microphone.

I'm trying to get something that's gonna be better because when I've got his old so I'm just gonna Work on it a little bit.

That's all but let's see what happens here.

Headphones and.

Yeah, it's supposed to be working.

Okay, let's see if I can send this out in the higher def of the camera and let me try this one more

time with with this.

Looks like you're muted again, Matt.

Yeah, it muted you.

Yeah, you're still muted here.

Okay, just let me have the troubleshoot later, okay, you got a rumble link for me.

It should be just going on rumble.

Oh, okay.

I'll go look.

I think the normal way.

Yeah, I believe.

Got the link for the live radio show.

Well, look I said, I'm new at this.

Or trying this thing right here to see and it's not really giving me.

Well I'm still practicing.

So it might be a few glitches here.

Let me get you back on the speaker.

There we go.

All right, so Rumble link.

Let me see if it comes up.

I don't think it's going to.

The link I've got.

Yeah, it has to be a different one.

Yeah, I get a message.

It says please wait for your video to finish processing.

Well, it says or not on rumble.

Yeah well.

So.

That's what happened.

We try and do everything yourself.

Anyway, I don't think people gonna show up today.

I don't know what's going on people who wanted to have a search discussion on something.

I don't think it's gonna happen.

But that's okay.

We'll see.

All right.

It doesn't it doesn't.

I got plenty to do that's that's for sure.

Oh Man, look at this.

I did this.

And I can't figure out where my channels are that I sent it to in rumble.

I'm looking at in rumble right now.

Really?

Yeah says my Channels and

nothing's working.

Yeah.

But it says I'm live on rumble.

Yeah, I know it says here too but then when I get there, it's a big red banner across the bottom of the.

The.

Video box says please wait till your video finishes.

Processing says it's now at 50 %.

Was 49 a minute ago, but hey someone in the

in the Chat from YouTube John 14 6 looks like he had

lunch with the one that's Pentecostals today.

I'm not saying because I don't speak in tongues and I'm also not saved as I was baptized in with Jesus.

What.

Well, that's typical of those guys.

It's confusing.

Okay, the tongues thing we can address but it says I'm also not saved because I wasn't.

Oh that wasn't okay.

I'm okay.

Gotcha.

Yeah, it's just they're a cult.

Yeah, they're a cult.

So yeah.

Mm -hmm.

Okay.

All right.

Me.

I cannot figure out where the content is or these I sent it.

I'm looking.

It's alright.

My channels and I haven't created channels yet.

It doesn't make any sense.

Yeah.

Well this processing message I'm getting it's up to 51 %.

So maybe it's processing your earlier show from from night.

I have no idea.

Yeah.

It did.

Well I see people to join.

We'll see.

Yeah.

Library.

Yeah, mass look live 320.

It's just showing that and.

Okay, I don't know I don't know why or what so.

Well, you know better than to ask me if I know what's going on.

Anytime it sounds like I know what I'm talking about.

That's a mistake.

Well, I thought I had to figure it out.

That's Too much in my plate, I guess good Duke do everything.

Oh, well, it's what it is.

We'll see if anybody comes in.

I put it up on the forums forums calm org a calm forums.

To see if any I put it in yesterday.

I put it I talked today I think was today also put the links in we got it going on Facebook.

We've got it going on YouTube and So the links are there it's

also in the calendar on karma to put all that stuff up and I'm late Like I said because I had a problem with

getting something to work, right?

But here we are so I'm thinking that the open theists.

They're not gonna be able to come in and and and hold a cogent discussion.

Like with that Warren McGrew last night, you know, I just asked him a simple question.

He couldn't answer it.

What I've noticed I've noticed is that a lot of times.

They I don't know if it's arrogance pride stubbornness.

I don't know what it is.

But you ask a question and you say I'll say look I didn't see it.

Could you just please restate it?

I wrote it already.

It's over here.

It's over there and they'll never just just show it.

Well, why not?

They get angry well, I don't understand why they get so angry and Rebellious about

you know, sorry, I'm doing 18 things at once.

I didn't see everything.

So that's what happens a lot and I think it's a deficiency in them mark Our

Pentecostals truly say because they don't believe in once they've always say Are they saved because they don't believe in

it.

So mark tell you what once you rewrite that question.

What's happening pastor Kevin?

No, I'm not sure I eat or a Rita.

I don't go through this.

I've been a lot of conmigo.

It was this But it was a Iraqi.

Yes, ponio.

No was muy bueno.

Are you?

Are you going to answer questions in the chat?

Or would you like to put put up the stream yard in link for people to come in and ask you?

I have a stream yard on.

I think I put it in here already.

Didn't I?

Yeah, it's right there.

Oh anybody wants to come in they can.

There it is again.

Yeah.

Yeah Yeah, I've seen Pentecostals.

I've seen many cultists that I've run into that might be accidentally saved because they're just

not they're ignorant of some of the.

The.

Cultic doctrine in the group.

They've been raised in it or just not never questioned it.

It's the first time they've Made a commitment toward which what they thought was Christianity.

So accidentally They might be saved because of that reason.

But if they're in there and they're hardcore denying things and refusing to accept

Essential biblical doctrine then then they wouldn't be saved.

But it's a hard call to make and and in the final outcome that the call is only made

truly by the Holy Spirit because he judges their heart and He knows what their attitude is

inwardly.

All we can see is how they act.

And if they act in rebellion to Sound Christian doctrine then that kind of fruit

gives us an indication As to their condition with God.

That's right.

I.

Mean I was I was in the Catholic Church and got saved.

Are the people saved in the Catholic Church.

Yeah is Catholicism sound no.

But.

Nevertheless the Lord saved me and In my case, I found my way

out of the church.

I have no people that have accepted the Lord and there's Christian in Their life's walk as I am

who decided to try to stay and do something about it with their loved ones and and witness to Them.

It doesn't seem they stay there very long but some have decided to stay in that church just to to

be a witness and An example and to try to draw people out but You

know, yeah, there's people on lots of cults that I'm sure are saved but

not because They're committed to the cultic doctrines of that group.

That's for sure.

That's right.

Okay, I got it all done.

I got the rumble link in there.

Oh.

All right so I did find it and So there you go.

Hey, I see it.

Yep, what I did was I just went to rumble and I just typed in open discussion with Matt slick and it came up.

That's how I got it.

So, there you go.

All right now I can focus.

Okay.

So as Eastern Orthodox a cult depends on how we define cult but Eastern Orthodoxy is not Christian because it also

Denies a true gospel and teaches a workspace salvation that you have to participate in the

energies of God Which is the grace of God and that it works through you and in you over a long

period of time to make you more Like Christ theosis by then you by which you eventually become

justified Through all this cooperative work that you do with God over long periods a period of time.

So that is a false gospel.

It's not Christian.

They also promote adoration worship of Mary.

They say they don't worship Mary, but they do and one of the fact that reminds me one of the where is that?

Yes, so I have a document and Yeah, here it

is, all right, so I just started working on it where I thought

okay, what is.

There we go.

What is the definition of worship biblically and.

So what I'm doing is I'm going through every instance of the word worship in the Old Testament.

And just learning what it says and how the Bible talks about worship as it

relates to.

What to God, okay, so the last I'm at Psalm 81 and

I'm not going to tell you all my stuff.

They're kind of still researching it.

But what I'm looking for.

Okay, this one says worship, you know.

Not have any foreign God and all I do is just go to the next word that worship occurs

in.

There and I'm in salt now it goes to Psalm 86.

So what I'm gonna do.

The energies are the grace of God not divinity.

I don't think but it might be in their view.

So what I'm going to do is Summarize what what the Bible says worship is so

for example worship the Lord with reverence.

Worship the Lord in holy array.

Sing praises to him.

So this is the aspects of worship.

So here's a question.

Are they?

Are they being reverent to Mary are they.

Well, are they having holy clothing when they address Mary?

I mean, this is just some of the questions.

Are they singing praises to Mary the and doing all these things the same with God?

Then that would be evidence that they are worshiping in this idolatry.

So that's what I'm working on.

Not a big deal.

That's what we're gonna also if you guys want to get into rubble or some you can chat type in there.

As well, and if not, no big deal.

We'll probably give it another 15 -20 minutes if people don't show up.

I'll set it down.

Nothing lost.

So there you go.

Okay.

Yeah at night six.

Let's see.

Jesus is the everlasting Father.

Let's go to Isaiah 9 6 like let me share my screen here a little bit I'll do is

There we go, I'll do this and I'll show you something in the text.

Okay, Oh Isaiah 9 6.

That they fail.

Okay.

So.

There we go.

All right, so you can see Isaiah.

Well Isaiah come on.

Nine six.

All right.

And they'll say see he's he's the father and that's what they'll do.

They'll just say he's the father.

Okay now I said I'll pay attention for a child will be born with us to us a son will be given

to us and the Government will rest on his shoulders his name.

His name.

Now when you say someone's name a name represents in Jewish theology.

It represents the character of somebody like Methuselah means when he dies it will come.

Nathan from the thon means to give Matthew gift of God.

Isaac means laughter.

So you have things like this.

So his name and notice it says singular his name will be called Wonderful counselor

mighty God eternal peace.

Prince eternal father Prince of peace.

So what they'll do is they will say he's see he is the eternal father.

What they're doing is ignoring what the text actually says his name will be called so I say, okay, so he's the eternal

father.

Okay, good.

Where's he called?

Wonderful counselor.

Where's he called?

Mighty God, where's he called Prince of Peace?

Where's Jesus called these things in the New Testament and From I understand he's not

okay.

So if he's not then what's going on with it, why is it that he's called these things?

Watch this.

Let's see, for example.

Yeah, there's no Prince of Peace.

No mighty God in the New Testament.

Mighty God everlasting father Prince of Peace.

Go back here Wonderful counselor and then we know I know that's not there.

So I asked him, okay.

So he's the father because his name is called the father, right?

Yes.

So it doesn't say he is the father, but he's perceived as the father at the end of that.

Where's he called wonderful counselor mighty God or Prince of Peace?

Well, he's not called this because it's these four things are the one name.

What's going on.

And they don't have any answer because they're not thinking like that they're not thinking what's going on with the text, okay.

All right, so there's that.

Anybody else have a comment or question I do that phrase eternal father in

Isaiah.

Yeah also means origin source

He's the source of eternity he's the

Actually that it's used in the same fashion of The adversary the father of

lies He's the origin or source of all lies.

Well, this is eternal father.

The word father there is Abbi.

We get Abba from.

Yeah father of eternity.

The Jews will Interpret it to me or translate it for me which

gives it a.

Better a.

Clearer crisper understanding in our English language in our way of thinking.

Yeah, he's the origin or source of eternity.

Just as Satan is the origin or source of lies the father of lies he's called and

this father of eternity will give you the The idea that that he is

the source of eternity.

So that titles is is wrapped up in this phrase.

Yeah.

So the one is Pentecostals ignore a lot of stuff.

They only look for what they want to find.

But the one that Pentecost one this Pentecostal is not Christian.

All right, and neither is eternal orthodoxy.

All right, anybody else got any comments or questions?

Anybody.

Oh.

You mentioned works righteousness and ether and orthodox.

Do you know, you know, you have to actually work after you die to make your way through

toll booths in order to.

Yeah, talk about works righteousness man.

You can't even get a rest after you pass away from this earth in that system.

That's right that there's a false religion for you.

Yep.

Because you go to a little depth in Pelagianism.

Pelagius Pelagianism is the teaching that the human nature is not fallen that

Adam sin is not reckoned to our account.

But that the human being is when born Conceived is without sin without fallenness

as Pelagian is and it's a false doctrine.

That's a Pelagian isms.

Okay.

All right.

So that's what that is.

Okay.

Man we've got ten people watching in rumble and

29 watching.

Let's see.

How's it work?

On karma videos.

On YouTube 21 and only seven on karma Facebook.

So it's all right.

So I'm hope like I said hoping the Antis would come in but you know what I've noticed with the anti -calvinists is

They're they're good at hiding behind nicknames and They're not good at

actually having a real discussion where they can be seen.

That's different.

They don't want to do that and I find that a little bit disingenuous.

That they don't want to be seen now I can understand if someone wants to maintain privacy, especially the ladies I get

that but it happens across the board all the time.

Wherever I do this.

Whenever I do this do this off and on for a few years now.

Having a polite challenge.

Come on out and we'll talk and I've noticed that it very often.

They just like.

Yes.

Yeah, there's a couple of articles you have.

Yeah.

Yep, and semi Pelagian ism.

I Just heard a noise I'm the only one in the house.

Of course we do have a 20 -pound cat that moves around.

So won't worry about it.

Always say by works or faith by faith not by works.

Okay, Chai.

So, all right.

My faith alone in Christ alone.

That's how we're saved.

All right.

Let's see.

What else anything else?

Wonder how I can get that in now, let's see if No, it's not

okay I'd still have Clubhouse will close it right now, okay.

Good.

I will go to tell Clubhouse well, this was an experiment all it

was and Last week we had a good discussion the guy one guy showed up in a good discussion and

It was last week.

I also offered on the calm forums for people to have a live discussion and they didn't do it and

Same thing for tonight and they didn't do it so

You know.

Either they're either afraid or they can't whatever reason but what happens like this all the time I

find that to be a problem.

So mark part do part per Don is asking a question.

Oh You already did didn't you?

That was 15 minutes ago.

Okay.

Oh Let's go to comments.

Let's see.

All right.

Yeah, I don't see any other New stuff, all right.

Our super my super infra lapsarian, you know, I don't know I I kind of go

back and forth and sometimes I say no neither and then sometimes I say infra I lean towards in for

up anything that God looks into the all of creation

and all of things that will exist in order to arrange his decrees, but

There's I think there's logical problems with that so I Don't know if I'm either one actually

so because.

Because if he's gonna look into the created order, okay, if you only exist if he's the one who's ordained that it exists.

So, how can you look into what he's already ordained?

He's ordained from eternity past.

So that's why the problem with in front supra issues.

All right, it's talking about logical decrees though.

So I can't help but wonder since God knows all things eternally simultaneously Exhaustively that there could be an order

of decrees in that Logical necessity I can see and this is where I get into this discussion on that

kind of stuff.

But anyway, okay, I got one comment Word

comment in the in there.

Yeah, I put that in there.

Okay.

To keep at it.

Once a person goes on to others will follow.

Yeah, I'll give it under five minutes.

If nobody shows up that would happen.

I'll just end it because I got a lot of cleanup to do a lot of work to do.

I got articles I'm working on and I might go on in an hour or two.

I might go on Discord and start talking there.

We'll see at least there.

I can get in all these great conversations.

In fact, you know what?

I just thought of something.

I have an idea.

I've never done this before.

So I'm wondering if I could share.

The.

I bet you I could what I could do if I wanted to.

I could go into discord and go into a room and

Share what's happening in that room and you can see what happens.

I often get accosted And stuff but I'm looking through different rooms to

see if I want to try this or not.

Mm -hmm.

So I'm glancing and it's all it would take of me just Sharing the screen

and there's nothing really happening.

Christian chat.

Let me try this.

Hold on a sec.

Hold on.

Okay, so

Can you hear yes I muted

myself.

I'm gonna share the screen.

I'm on mute.

So this is a Christian chat.

You see right there.

I'm moving the mouse.

This is a room called God ain't ain't real.

Great trans debate.

Amen.

How you doing, buddy.

Good.

I'm actually doing a video thing and I had this thought of putting a

This board in the video thing and that's what I'm doing the first time I've ever tried it so People are watching this stuff.

So they're gonna hear and maybe see too.

Yeah Yeah, so everywhere.

Yeah, we're talking about different well, basically

differences between Islamic Christianity and why you know, basically.

You know.

He brought up some issues about the translations of the versions and I was explaining to him how real Christians

Don't pay religious honor to images.

So, you know, he understands that we're not pagans, you know, like in Christianity.

They think that because a lot of so -called Christians are a

large majority.

We think that because the majority of people who claim they are Christians do that.

Do what?

Okay, so are you low are you a Muslim.

Yes.

All right.

So let me tell you that within Christianity like Islam. There are divisions and.

And so Eastern Orthodoxy Bows to images Roman Catholics bow to

images and both of those religions are false Christianity, they're not true Christians because they do those

kinds of things among other things which are against the Bible.

Okay.

Yeah, so what we do is we go with the scripture what the scripture says and.

And a lot of these churches because they're so old.

They have traditions that just got in and just became more important than the Bible itself.

All right.

You could say that.

But the devil wants to work inside of Catholicism inside of Eastern Orthodoxy and

inside of Islam.

Okay.

In your opinion in your opinion, yeah, what if I could show you that

Islam is false.

I'm sorry, what?

Okay, does it not say let me go here.

So if we're to go to surah.

4.

157.

Then I'll ask you something.

All right, I'll read it Says and this is from Usuf Ali.

No, I don't have a link but I can post the.

I can post it in the text.

Post it.

Okay, good.

So right there in the text or a 4157 they that said in both we killed Christ Jesus son of Mary the

Apostle of Allah.

But they killed him not nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, right?

Yes, okay.

And is that a proper translation?

Is it the case that it was made to appear to them that Jesus was crucified.

Yes.

All right the tops the top seer I've read say that it was Allah who did that would you agree?

Okay, I guess I can I can look for him but do you agree that it was Allah who made it look like someone.

No, no.

Who didn't you know who did it then?

We do we believe as Muslims is that the devil or the devil

the devil.

So if there was someone.

There was someone who was going to snitch.

Basically.

Excuse my English who is going to tell where Jesus

Was at that time and God made that person.

I'll explain that to you.

God made that person appear to be Jesus as a punishment.

So you're saying then that in this surah or a yacht that Allah

made someone look like Jesus, but it wasn't wasn't.

Jesus made him look like him.

God so this person was trying to tell where Jesus was because people wanted

to crucify him.

Obviously, you know that.

So the person who found his location and was going to tell where he was

God made that person look like Jesus as punishment to that person.

Okay, so so I found that person and thought he was Jesus.

Okay.

My question is real simple.

It was it Allah who made that person look like Jesus.

Yes, and it made him look like Jesus to be crucified.

Okay, then Allah is a deceiver.

Because according to the Quran Jesus was not crucified but Allah made someone look like you him to be

crucified.

So Allah by his direct hand Deceived people to make him think that Jesus was crucified when he really was not.

Your God made it look like Jesus was crucified.

But he was not crucified may look like Jesus, but it wasn't Jesus to get crucified when he was not crucified.

So your God by his own direct hand deceived people.

So your God is a deceiver.

Yeah.

Does it matter they're good people or not.

So what the point is.

The point is that your God Deceived people.

Your God deceived them.

That's the point.

Your God is a deceiver.

He deceived him.

He made something to look true.

That was actually false.

That's called deception.

Is this the God you want to follow?

Okay, so you want to follow a deceiver?

Okay.

How do you know he's not lying to you?

How do you know he's?

What's that?

According to your definition.

He is.

I.

Believe he's simply punishing people who wanted to kill a prop.

So but he the point is because.

Because in every in every story in the Quran where a prophet was

harmed or Someone attempted to harm a prophet these people

were instead punished.

I got that your God Deceived people that's the point not he

punished them.

He did this like that's not it.

It's he deceived people.

That's the point.

He deceived he lied to them.

He made it made something that was not true appear to be true.

So your God is a deceiver.

That's the point.

Your God is a deceiver.

So, how do you know he's not lying to you right now about Islam since he's

a deceiver.

So you admit your God to save people right.

Look so he just saved people who already went over this.

Okay, he made something appear to be true.

That was false.

That's a deception.

So you're all offered a deception that means your God is a deceiver.

Okay, so that's what it is another question for you know

another question for you.

Where's a man seed formed in his body.

Yeah in the Quran.

Proving that Incorrect.

It has not proven it correct, but it hasn't proven that it is incorrect.

Therefore it remains a mystery until someone can prove it wrong.

Well Let's look at what it says in surah 86 5 through

7.

All right.

Surah 86.

Now I'll put the text in.

Okay 86 hold on 5 hyphen 7.

Maybe Lisa will beat me to it.

Put it in there.

And notice what it says here, all right.

There it is in the text.

Okay.

Sir, 86 5 through 7.

Now notice what it says.

Let man but think from what he is created.

He's created from a gushing fluid a drop emitted.

Okay.

Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.

So What she

created from a gushing fluid as one translation says or a drop

emitted.

A Drop is a small liquid part of a larger liquid body.

So this is talking about the sex act and it's saying.

That.

The man seed comes from his.

Chest.

Because it's between the backbone and the ribs.

What's between the backbone and the ribs.

That's called the chest.

So so that's that's important.

Because It says in surah 4 82

It says this This is surah Let's put it in

here for 82.

They.

Do they not consider the Quran with care.

Had it been from other than Allah they would have found therein much discrepancy.

Well, let's see all of the deceiver and Seed comes from a

man's chest.

Obviously.

Those are problems and according to the Quran if there's problems in it, it's not from

Allah.

Okay, so

I'll just show that Islam is false.

You can do the same with the Bible.

Well one at a time, please.

So.

What a time.

Yeah, and so.

And we'll get to him in a second who says that okay cook you get your get it ready.

Okay, just get it ready.

It your thing.

You want to say about the Bible?

Okay.

I'll call you a second.

So Low low low low and slow.

I just showed you things in the Quran that according to the when the Quran says.

If there's a problem in it.

Then.

It's not from Allah okay, and So it has problems.

So there's.

The Quran has now been proven to be false by what the Quran says.

Okay, okay.

Okay.

So who's the other guy?

Who's the guy who said that spoke up and said it's in the same thing in the Bible.

Doctor and.

They copied from from this guy not only this but others as well.

I'd love to see the documentation on that.

Yeah, have you got it?

Yeah, let me see.

Let me serious.

Senator info at calm org.

I'd love to see that.

Sure.

Okay, yeah put in there

but I wanted to ask you something which I'm struggling with.

Well, I would ask the other guy though.

The guy who said that.

The same thing with the Bible.

I want to see if he could back it up.

That's all I think they will get to you.

Okay.

All right.

Where's the who was the guy who said that?

Was K dot?

Okay, that's it.

Okay kid up.

So You got anything you want to offer.

I can't understand you.

My hearing's not very good.

What?

Yes sperm does not come from men's chest, okay.

So.

Okay, so So

Okay, you're breathing into the mic look pretty heavily.

Okay, so you assume that science is true, right?

You can test it.

Can you test the how the universe was formed.

No, I can't touch that.

Okay, so then the science scientists are making a an educated guess about things right?

It's not a fact.

So here's the thing.

Specifically talking about Humans came to be in on the universe because there's much less

speculation.

So, I mean we understand that I believe are the genetic impossibility.

No, it's not.

You might want to look up an article called the mitochondrial Eve, okay, and it talks about the

common DNA mitochondrial.

The DNA that is traced back to a single woman.

Okay mitochondrial Eve.

Just look it up.

I mean it's.

I read it years.

No you oh I guess you can't type something in and look up mitochondrial Eve, okay.

Okay, so.

Okay, so there's that.

And you said something about what the human ancestors.

No, I don't need to send it to you so.

No evidence for your beliefs.

You just said science proves this or that you haven't said anything.

Okay, what.

Have some left someone look it up mitochondrial.

Is this what evolution taught you how to be rude.

Okay, so.

Yeah, hold on what I think.

Okay there look mitochondrial Eve.

I just found it on Wikipedia.

What's it mitochondrial Eve theory?

No, a mitochondrial Eve is not the first female of the species.

The myth of Eve.

Molecular biology.

Human origin scientists.

Scientists think they found my mitochondrial Eve's first.

Whatever.

It's just right there.

There's all kinds of stuff.

Yeah so read.

Okay, okay, all right good.

So so let me ask you.

So, let me ask you you said the Bible's wrong about what

I can't understand this guy.

Is he is he clear to you guys?

No, you saw.

Blow.

You need to get closer to your mic.

The.

You're assuming you're making assumptions and you're having problems with your assumptions.

Okay, so you assume that all things it's called uniformitarianism.

You're assuming that the genetics act the same way now as it always has been.

This is an assumption.

You know, let me finish.

Yeah.

Biblically speaking Adam and Eve were created with perfect genetics.

So they could have children that could interbreed and it wasn't till later.

When the interbreeding was too much that God said no no more of that so it's not a problem.

Okay.

You anything else?

What.

Yeah, it's in the book of 2nd Moronicles look are you gonna ask me

are you gonna ask me to prove every single thing.

I say every time I just.

I asked you.

I asked you.

Right.

I asked you.

I Asked you a question.

Are you gonna answer the question?

Are you going to ask me to prove every little detail?

I say with documentation.

That's my question.

No, no, but so the answer is no.

So the answer is no.

Yes.

Well, just just answer simply.

What's the answer?

The answer is no.

Okay good.

Can you be quiet for a second, let me finish talking

what is with you why are you so rude?

Yeah, dude, I'm just asking you a simple question and you just keep rambling.

The Bible teaches us that God made Adam and Eve very good.

It was good.

It doesn't say the word perfect doesn't say genetics.

But the answer that we give as Christians is that God made Adam and Eve very good.

Is that because God had made them without any flaws without anything and we know that that there's genetic entropy.

We know that the genome is decaying that there's problems and errors that are creeping in that wasn't the

case at the beginning so we as a Christians we would just say then they could then interbreed

for Generations and then after a while they stopped doing that.

That's the answer.

Okay now you mentioned hominid

ancestors, right.

Did you.

Okay, what is.

Okay, I can't understand this guy.

It's so bad the connection so bad or it's so I can't understand half the words he's saying.

Yeah, it's unclear.

Yeah.

See he wants to talk about.

You know, he wants to just assume evolution is true.

I can guarantee you.

He's never studied the other side.

He's never studied the counter evidence to evolution or hunt human ancestors.

He's never done it once.

Okay, have you ever studied or read any books that work against the theory

of illusion.

Okay, I didn't ask if you listen I said have you read.

No.

Yeah, so the answer is what what's the answer.

Okay, get rid of this.

Just just the guy just just go on.

I'm really asking a reading here from Chad.

If it is as importantly mitochondrial Eve was not the first human

First human woman nor was she the only woman living at her time.

She lives the mobile population of humans.

But by chance her mitochondrial DNA lineage is the one that has

survived to all living humans.

Today, this is the major criticism which I'm seeing from the atheist camp in

regard of that argument.

How would you answer to that?

Chad GTP is only as good as the programmers who tell you what kind of information to find.

This is a problem with the AI stuff and it's a well -known problem.

If you go to Science News releases of 2010 of I believe it's August.

This is what it says, August 17 2010.

From it says mitochondrial Eve mother of all humans live 200 ,000 years ago summary the most robust

statistical examination to date of our species.

Genetic links to mitochondrial Eve the maternal ancestor of all living humans.

Confirms that she lived about 200 ,000 years ago.

The study was based on a side -by -side comparison of 10 human genetic models that each aim to

determine when evil Lived using a very different set of assumptions about the way humans rich

migrated expanded as predatory across the earth.

Okay, so there's an article that says it so look here's the

thing.

I Go find out if you want to say that evolution is true.

You better find out if evolution is true.

You better read the counter evidence and to see you better find out are these human ancestors really human

ancestors?

What about the dating methodology?

What about energy form energy but information formation and transference in genetic models you guys

should study this stuff.

But what I see people doing is oh, we'll just read whatever they say and whatever evolution to say.

We'll just believe it and they never check it.

There have been fakes there have been frauds there's have been lots of discrepancies inside the human ancestor

line.

I've got a lot of them.

Listed here and when someone said you know, you got a jet.

Chad GTP says it's a problem.

Okay I find an article that said it's not a problem.

So which is true the one you want to be true.

Find out the evidence find out what's going on.

Okay.

Find out research.

So here's a question.

How many of you have read any and what's the title of them any anti

evolution books.

Anybody I have actually.

I have actually written a book.

It has a thousand four hundred pages and it's Refuting evolution and

making a case for intelligent design.

Oh good.

Okay.

Yeah.

It is.

When you ran for talker.

Okay, yeah, I mean confused.

I mean, I'm sorry, but I had no patience to keep listening.

So you do reject the truth of our shared naturalistic atheistic

Reality one at a time.

Yeah, please.

So the thing is that What Chad GTP gave me is precise.

Counter that the 80s are making.

I'm on your side.

I just want to prove my responses.

That's why.

Let him finish

Let him finish.

You go ahead.

Okay, so so what I am saying is I'm trying I want to improve.

My response is to that argument that they are bringing claiming that mitochondrial Eve

wasn't the first Human but what what what they claim is that she was

one of other Women precisely.

This is what?

Answered me to.

That is what they want to answer.

Okay, I get you.

One of the things I'm concerned about.

I read an article recently about chat GTP and the AI and they're giving they're finding

out and approving it.

They're giving skewed answers to things and.

So, you know, it's like okay that doesn't mean just miss everything it says.

But it does mean that okay, is there evidence out there that it's not presenting it is some

analysis of political questions.

What are some things that Biden did wrong it with what it was exactly the sentence and it wouldn't produce anything.

But when he asked exact same question negatively about Trump.

It gave all kinds of stuff and they ran some tests with some other areas like this, too.

And found out that conservative views were dismissed and liberal views were promoted.

So there's and Google with Gemini has been

found to be guilty of this but Google saying no, it's not the case.

It's all it's all just the way the questions are asked.

But it's not because they're finding it across the board with the exact same thing or don't let different people get different results radically.

So that is a problem.

I'm using Heavily and what I can say is that what you're saying is true

that it Proposes and favors naturalistic explanations in

regards to origins.

But if you ask Chet TTP, give me an answer from an apologist's standpoint.

But don't say it then he will give you valuable answers, which you can use as an

apologist.

Okay.

Yeah, I'm trying to use it too, and I can't trust it Implicitly so I look up

things and go.

Okay.

What about this?

What about that.

And I know my theology really well.

So I'll ask.

I've asked it questions on some things.

It does pretty well, but sometimes it's like not quite but.

So anyway, that was a thing is that there's evidence.

I know I'm familiar with both the evidence for and against a mitochondrial Eve.

So familiar that there are arguments on both sides, but the point I'm trying to make to people is they're not studying.

They're just they're just saying I just believe whatever evolutionists tell me why because it's easier because they

want to.

And they're not believing in God because the responsibility that.

Actually are which explain organismal complexity in the architecture.

No.

Yeah, that is what my book is about and Basically the answer to that

question is that Life is much more complex than most people think and you

have a gene centric.

It is based on genetic information, but mostly on epigenetic information and I

have collected 223 epigenetic codes and languages which work

in an interdependent fashion together and You need in many cases one

epigenetic code working in an interdependent way interdependently with

another epigenetic language and It works in a synergistic manner together.

And if you remove one language it cannot do anything the other language cannot do anything.

With that other language you need both languages operating and working together.

And if you don't have that no deal and we are talking about

223 epigenetic codes.

We are talking about hundreds of signaling pathways.

We are talking about so many Interdependent things that need

to work together that you cannot have that in an evolutionary Stepwise fashion

why I give you an example.

You need the gene regulatory network to express genes and you need that from the beginning of life

if you have a fully formed genetic Information a set of genes, but you

do not have the program to express that information at the right moment at the right time.

No deal you have no use for the genetic information.

So you need both you need the genetic information and gene regulatory code.

And.

Said which the park orchestrates the expression of that information and you need

that right from the beginning of life.

That's awesome.

I'd love to see that documentation.

Yeah, I can't give you the link to my book.

Sure sure.

Are you familiar with it?

Go ahead.

I mean, it's a big book.

It has 52 different Mechanisms which are employed in

life to orchestrate organismal complex 22 and and there

are also the main tenet of evolution, which is universal common ancestry.

There are 47 reasons and mechanisms which

provide evidence that Universal common ancestry isn't actually true.

And one thing is remarkable that Signs mainstream science admits that there are seven

different lineages of viruses and that already falsifies

universal common ancestry.

You need life and Viruses operating together from the beginning.

Well, what about you cannot have?

About endogenous retroviruses.

Well, they are needed also our placenta needs and.

Viruses.

They are necessary.

They have various specific functions.

Yes, you know.

Yes.

But they're saying they're saying the ERVs are viruses that were not human that became

Integrated into our genome and then provide certain areas of benefit.

Which is why humanity can be what it is as complex as human structures and they say that they're in the same genetic

Areas among different species.

What would you say about that?

Well, I have an entire chapter in regards of Claim that we and Apes

have a common ancestor.

That is not for several reasons.

For several reasons.

One is for example that the human brain is differently wired than

the brain of apes.

A second reason is that we have we can speak and that depends on nine Individual

interdependent and irreducibly complex systems and parts of the

brain which Apes don't have and they are also Interdependent.

So you need the entire system of these nine different distinct systems working

evaporating together.

Well, two or three years ago, I had a debate on modern -day debate between me John

Maddox and And Erica and.

Cy guard, okay.

Production I brought up in the 15 minutes of my introduction.

I wrote that argument why I don't believe that Humans have common

ancestor with apes and she in her entire stream.

Anything of course not I said because she can't do it, of course not they can't.

Yeah, I'm definitely interested in your book.

I'd like to see it seriously.

Pages.

It goes into the biochemistry to the details.

I show all the mechanisms that are employed in constructing complex organisms.

I list the codes.

I list the signaling Pathways I say.

I list the 52 reasons Why we don't share universal common

ancestor.

I go to these topics.

Good for you.

Yeah, this guy says really educated on this house.

That's like, right.

That is very good.

There's another guy I know who studied ERVs endogenous retroviruses.

He's written a book and.

One of the things I want to do.

I wanted to learn the basics of DNA up through.

Up to the level of explaining understanding how the coding information works and is distributed.

So it's one of the projects I want to work on a lot.

Well, I know that we have about two to three percent Folding

DNA which codes for proteins.

But the other the other section the other 98 with the encode

project.

We don't yet still know how how much of that Previously called junk DNA

is actually jumping right on the exact number.

They came up with about Saying that about 80 % is actually functional.

It has a function.

It's increasing.

The percentage is increasing. Yes.

Yeah, so what we know is that it has function and Most is used in the

gene regulatory network like micro RNAs.

It regulates the expression of genes.

So this means that like that argument that we have some

Retroviruses that share the same Place where they are inserted in in apes

and in humans that therefore we have a common ancestor.

That is disqualified and refused precisely by the fact that the common designer he can't

have put the same retrovises in the same place.

Because they have function because they do something at that right.

That's right.

Wow.

Sorry, I know I don't know as much as you do, but I know enough to know man.

You're nailing the right issues.

Good stuff.

So I'm looking in the note, I don't see where the Book is.

I see the recent and science link.

Well, I send you a link.

Well, that is about.

The Islam guy about right.

A.

From the Greek medic, but I'll send you a link to my book.

Okay?

The name of the book is beyond illusion.

The origin of species by design.

Is it on

Kindle.

Yes.

Okay.

I'm gonna look at it right now.

Okay, good good good man, I needed that.

Our hundred years of study.

Okay, I got it.

I'm ordering it.

I'm buying it right now.

There just got it.

Yeah, it's on Kindle.

I do everything on Kindle and I have I'm gonna open my Kindle thing up here.

No, you'll take 30 seconds.

I'll tell you how many books I've got on Kindle.

I used to have Thousands of books.

Just paper books.

I mean and they're boxes and boxes and boxes.

I still have boxes of books and people have given me over the years.

I Became kind of useless because they're just lining walls.

Well, what am I gonna do with them?

You know, so if I do everything on Kindle then I can do a search inside of books just like

that and Plus I can put all of them on my phone.

So it's for me.

It's just a lot easier.

Okay, it's Kindle's opening here.

Yeah, good stuff, okay.

Yeah.

Well, if I've already got it in Kindle that's fine, I mean I appreciate it.

PDF.

Yeah, oh of course of course.

Now what you go to church, right.

Currently Irish.

Actually.

Do you believe.

Why the question.

Do you believe in the Trinity?

Oh, yes.

Yes, okay.

You should email me at info at karma org because we should keep in contact because.

Yeah, we should.

Okay.

Okay.

I.

Have about ten titles published on Amazon also

about the historicity of Christ.

Crowd of three and I have a big book out.

Really?

Well good.

Do you think the Shredder turns real or authentic?

Absolutely,

okay.

Yeah, there's some interesting stuff.

I.

Made the video two hours about the authenticity of the shroud.

It's on my channel.

Okay, I can send you the link.

Yeah, I got.

Sure.

Yeah.

About an hour and you don't got 500 ,000 views.

And then I made a version which has two hours of information also about the Sudarium of

Oviedo and Yeah, I think it is.

The science is very very solid.

Today at 40 years of studying the the scientific evidence of the

shroud and Sudarium of Oviedo We can say with the high certainty that this isn't

forgery from the Middle Ages.

Really forger could make a photo negative with 3d information Encoded

in that image.

Yeah, that's the thing.

That's exactly the thing that caused me to pause to say how do they get the 3d relationship in there?

If it was fake, how do you do?

And besides that you have so many other different lines.

Like the Sudarium of Oviedo, it has also brought a B then and

there is pollen on both the cloths on the Sudarium of Oviedo.

From from Turin Shroud Turin, which we know it comes from the region of Jerusalem.

Then there is also Calcium which we know is in the in

the Area from Jerusalem as well, then the image itself it is

0 .2 micrometers thick this is very very thin and

Today, nobody is able to reproduce The shroud nobody interest.

Oh, how could that be fake?

Interesting.

I'm gonna check this out.

Good stuff.

Yeah, I mean my book on the shroud has 540 pages.

Wow.

This.

Awesome good.

Okay, we'll check it out.

Hey, we got Fred Beale in.

And you know the Sudarium of Oviedo has been radiocarbonated to the 8th century

and it has a confirmed historical track to the 6th century and

We know that it is the face cloth which covered Jesus which is mentioned in the Gospels.

Yeah, I'll check it out.

There's there's a lot there and by the way, so I have 577 books in

Kindle.

No, and a lot of Harrison.

And.

Then I have.

I don't know how many PDFs, but anyway get a lot.

Anyway, they appreciate the information.

That's good stuff.

Yeah, I emailed you, all right good,

all right, okay.

Hey friend.

How are you?

Oh, excuse me.

Hey, I'm doing well.

So we talk about.

No, I'm just hanging out.

All right, it's hanging out.

Okay I'm trying a Wednesday night thing here.

And then I thought I get this idea of including Discord so I have the discord

running and Let's see.

Where is it?

Yeah, see there's discord so and this guy right here Rami,

he's a good guy he always he's always got my back when I go online and.

And.

Talking discord.

So he's a good guy.

I.

Download a discord one so I can figure it out.

Yeah, it takes a bit to get used to it's not exactly user -friendly but once you get the basics then it's easy to get around.

Anybody in the discord.

Well, this one's in the politics.

Christian chat.

It's in politics.

I wonder.

No wonder I couldn't find you.

But is that your group or it's just a random group of your world?

No, I have my own groups Elsewhere, but I rarely go in there and the reason is is because if I

go in there everybody comes in if I leave then everybody's in there.

I don't know how it works.

It's not moderated.

And so I've people have told me that they've gone into the rooms just shown porn shown stuff.

You know, so I I go into these rooms and then I'm done.

It's up to them to moderate.

So yeah

Contrary and hey, look at that.

So basal any of you guys in Christian chat have any comments or questions.

No.

Good stuff.

Okay.

What what's your question?

So I was talking with a reporter from their clear and he told me that we were In the street.

Basically, he told me that Synergists are not Christian they don't believe the

gospel.

Just okay.

If they mean satirical synergism, I would agree because monergism is the biblical position that

Faith alone not our faith and our works Contribute to salvation but

faith alone is what saves us.

Synergism is the idea that faith and our works working together save you.

That's a false gospel.

Yeah, that is a false gospel book.

Like we're talking about faith alone the Protestants who are Synergists who believe that they freely

accept the gift from God and it's on the basis of faith and

You know, it's by Christ alone.

They confess faith alone increase alone impressed alone.

They're just you know, like our million Protestants.

They're not like he's your orthodox or Roman Catholics.

Right here say he's saying even like the you know, all the Protestants that are not

Monarchists don't believe in the gospel, you know.

Well, it's he always the defined term.

I almost said to you.

What do you mean by that?

But I didn't.

But when we're talking to somebody if If someone's like some Calvinist will say and I

disagree with him for this they'll say that an Armenian will say well I chose to believe and Therefore

I'm saved and then some Calvin's will say well, that's that's you taking credit and therefore it's synergism.

Therefore you're not a Christian and I don't go that far I just say that the Armenians just aren't well -versed and

well Polished in their understanding and articulation of it.

Not that you are aren't saved because of that.

That's right.

Yeah.

Like if you believe that

It's synergistic then you're believing and you know a different gospel and then like

What they say much usually they're like Protestant Armenians.

They're gonna say that It's all Christ who did the work and they just

believe in Christ, you know.

Yeah, and Yeah, we have to understand what they mean and what the definitions are like that.

So here's a question Jimmy says did the Apostle James and the Jewish Christians keep the old and new covenants during the 40 years

before the direction of the temple.

I Don't know don't know what they did.

I'm not a historian.

Couldn't tell you what they did or didn't so that's beyond my purview.

Question for Matt.

Do you still say you're a five -point?

Homonlegal pedo -baptist non -cessational covenantal Calvinist.

Yes, I do.

Liberty troll so good.

So you can't see this Ronnie, but it's being broadcast on

Rumble Facebook and YouTube so I'm getting.

And what I've done is I've shared this.

Okay, so I'm inside a stream yard which is feeding out to all those different ones

and then I went and got a Discord open and I'm sharing the screen with discord

Into here so that people are watching and see discord the way I would see it and they can hear you

guys talk as well.

Yeah, I like a comment on the the question about the Apostles and the.

You're the.

The ceremonial system prior to the prior to 70.

Well, it's because I'm like I said last time I'm preaching through Hebrews right now and it's it seems like

from the book of Hebrews that That they weren't practicing the Jewish ceremonial system

anymore because that's really what the author is is a Writing the the the epistle to the Hebrews

for that.

He's writing to.

Rebuke the.

Those Jewish converts who were saying Let's go back to these shadows, you know, we

we can have Christ but let's also we also need a Prophet and that's chapter one.

Or or you know, we we can have Christ but we also need the ceremonial law of Moses

right.

Or we also need the priesthood.

And the authors say no.

There's nothing to go back to.

Christ has fulfilled it.

All.

Christ is the Prophet.

Christ is the King.

Christ is The fulfillment of Moses.

He is the fulfillment of the priesthood.

He's the fulfillment of everything.

There's nothing that you can go back to because Christ has already completed it.

So I don't think there's anything in the scriptures off top of my head that makes me think that they were still going to

temple and and doing all these.

Doing this ceremonial system prior to 70 AD.

And actually everything that scriptures team seems to teach that they were teaching against them

the Jewish Christians keep the old new covenants.

There was a lot of it and I'm with you there's a lot of ignorance Among the Christians right away, so

they may have been keeping Old Testament stuff when they didn't need to.

But they didn't need to if they did so that's what the writer was doing.

The writer was telling the Hebrews that had become Christians to knock it off and quit

living like Hebrews.

Because it wasn't necessary.

Yeah, that's right, so I'm sure there were a lot of Jewish Christians who weren't doing it and some

who still were.

But yeah, yep, was it?

The early group needed some correction.

Yep.

Yeah.

Well, you know old harbit have I said hard to talk hard to to change.

So Fred, were you a pastor at?

Well, I'm not a pastor yet, but.

Just a small local Reformed Church here where I live,

okay, that's right.

I'm tired.

Okay, well I think what I'm gonna do.

Is.

Get going.

All right.

Cuz yeah, so it's look a slow night, but not but kind of and that nothing's really happening a whole

bunch.

ADJ who's here?

What's he about?

No

Catholic doctrine is not Christian though.

Yes, but their sateriology is false.

To listen.

Okay.

Official.

Official.

Roman Catholic theology teaches a false gospel.

Well, I'm sorry, I can't understand what you're saying.

What you said.

How so.

Oh.

How.

So because in paragraph 2068 it says you had attained salvation through faith baptism and the

observance of the Commandments.

In paragraph 2036 it says that it's necessary to keep the precepts of the natural law necessary for

salvation.

In paragraph 2070 it says that an express revelation of the the precepts of the

the precepts natural law are the Ten Commandments, so That means you have to keep the Ten Commandments to be saved.

So Roman Catholicism teaches you have to do good works in order to be saved.

Well, the Catholics like anathematize the gospel of Trent, you know, they specifically anathematize like

faith alone.

It is you for you to decide if you know the Word of God and you should be able to discern the Word of God because 1st Corinthians 2 15 says and

that the Spiritual men can make spiritual judgments.

So if someone were to deny for example that Jesus Christ is God in flesh deny the resurrection deny the Trinity.

You can't call them a Christian.

You have must say if you continue like this when you die, you're gonna go to hell.

That's that's the that's it.

And so this is why Paul got in and started correcting all these errors.

He's warning you don't say and we're to do the same thing.

Roman Catholicism teaches a false gospel.

I do think you know.

They believe in faith and we believe in faithful.

That's what it says about there and you know.

It

tells us just to be let us both growing together until the

harvest.

At that time I will tell the harvesters first collect the weeds and tied him into a bundle to be done.

Then I will gather the way you bring him into my mom.

Like we understand that he's the one who sorts them out like he's gonna sort it.

Everyone.

Just just because just because you're basically saying is because is because.

What a time.

Between me as a Protestant Christian and Catholics that is for example the

Shroud of Turing.

And I have group on Facebook and I have many many Catholics.

What do I do?

I make videos on my channel where I clearly preach The

the gospel of salvation by faith and I put it there in the group and I

do not confront the Catholics in regards of these issues.

I tried to find points of convergence where we do not Disagree with each other and

then bring this information and not having debates with confrontation.

Because I have experienced that many times.

Okay, but Okay,

I have absolutely confused.

The gospel is The death bill resurrection of Jesus Christ were justified by faith alone in Christ alone.

Do you affirm that?

Yeah Okay.

Yes, it is.

When I read a fictions to you know building block for you to be honest I.

What?

Evens chapter 2.

You're building blocker.

Are you the chief cornerstone?

Am I a building block or a cornerstone?

Cornerstone the chief cornerstone.

Bring Jesus.

So yes, those are the only two options I have.

Did you know the Bible says in 1st Corinthians 11 19 there must be factions among each other.

Those who are approved may become evident among you.

Don't let me ask you.

Yeah, if someone denies the.

She's.

Going to sit the same title together.

Yeah.

Let me ask you something DJ.

Do you have heard?

ADK.

Do you affirm that were justified by faith alone in Christ alone?

Yeah, so if someone were to deny that would you call him a Christian?

If someone explicitly if they explicitly deny it would you call him a Christian.

Explicitly so you're making a judgment.

Okay, and you're causing division.

Yes, no, you can't treat him as a brother not a brother in the face.

No, no not a brother in the faith.

No, no, no you listen you can be nice to them they're not brothers in the faith.

Then your faith is fault if you're gonna say that someone who denies the gospel is a

brother in Christ.

Okay, what why don't you do some serious.

Okay, why don't you stop with the arrogant foolishness and mockery once you listen to the Word of God for a second.

You are the one who's supposed to be able to tell what the gospel is and now what you're doing is I tell you.

You know, if someone denies this would you call him a brother in Christ?

You say no, I think you make a division stem and you say you still treat him as a brother and I was just being more.

Let me finish and.

Then I said and you could not call him a brother in Christ.

You can't call someone a brother in Christ if they're denying the gospel, right.

Well, I don't care if you

have an issue with that apparently.

Apparently you don't understand with the gospel.

Apparently.

You don't.

Same table.

Yeah, so so Matt would actually say that if someone believes the gospel.

They are.

Saved even if they're like calling themselves a Roman Catholic or you know.

Like in the Catholic Church, but then if they actually believe and they're saved by grace through faith, they're still

safe.

So he doesn't deny that Catholics can't be saved.

It's just official.

Catholic doctrine is wrong and we should disagree with it.

Like that's why we have the record.

No, I don't believe you understand what the gospel really is because you're not discerning.

Okay.

Okay, Brian go.

I don't care but you're not discerning about what the truth really is and you're supposed to be able to divide and Discern between

truth and error.

If someone comes to you and says Jesus did not rise from the dead He can't be a true Christian.

I mean they affirm that and that's their position not ignorance.

We're talking.

That's their position.

They can't be called a Christian if they add works to salvation.

They cannot be called a Christian if you say I'm going to stop.

What?

You're way too hostile.

Well, you know what the Bible said.

It was.

It's about bringing all nations together.

Okay when you're talking about that Jesus didn't go around condemning people.

He made repentance for the sinner.

Now if people are repenting sinners and their hearts and mind is in the right place.

That's what I'm.

I'm so sick to death of this stupid discord debate bro Christianity, but it's been stemming over the

last decade.

It's actually turning me on the whole thing.

Like Eastern Orthodox channels and twice that he's like silly like, you know discord bro channels with Christianity.

It's pathetic and all it does is highlights to the outside world and I've come from the outside.

Well, it's Christians aren't very good at being Christians.

And the one thing that Jesus prays for we don't even really care about.

We don't care about the body people and.

Well, hold on.

Hold on.

You're preaching a lot of stuff.

I'm gonna do.

I'm gonna respond to you.

Hold on.

Hold on.

So We are supposed to be discerning.

The spiritual man can discern all things.

He makes spiritual judgments.

That's what we're supposed to do.

It says that the elder for example in Titus chapter 1 and first Timothy 3 according to God's Word is

supposed to be able to teach sound doctrine and.

Refute.

Can you let me finish please.

Yeah, let me respond because you were so rude you keep interrupting and you

call me hostile.

Okay, so the time telling you where the scriptures say what elders are supposed to do.

When I'm trying to raise a point you interrupt me and you let me finish the point.

The elders is the elders are supposed to be

able to teach sound doctrine and refute error.

The point I'm making is that there's a there is a differentiation

between what's truth and error and the leaders in the church are supposed to know that and be

able to make those.

Divisions, do you understand that?

I'm an ex -pastor.

I'm an ordained minister.

I was.

Look okay.

Let me look look.

I'll tell you what look.

You're not.

I did not say.

Okay, a DG DG DG, what's the gospel.

To put the gospel is how are you just how are we justified?

I didn't say I was an elder.

Man.

Somebody waste me ten minutes of your time.

Eight minutes is your fault.

So I think this is interesting.

Okay, this guy.

Don't look dude, you're not even answering the question.

You're not even hearing what I'm saying.

You asked me if I'm an alibi.

Can you let me talk without interrupting?

Okay, and you please let me finish without being

Interrupted is that okay with you?

Strangely hypocritical.

Like what he's talking about, you know being innocent like he's being actively abusing you.

Go away go away change your diapers someplace else.

No, it's not.

He's acting like a child.

And all of that, you know by grace alone.

But I don't think that's what we're gonna get from this guy Sapphire who's you know, trying to talk

to you right now.

Yeah.

So, you know, I get I get where ADJ is coming from a.

Principle sense because.

You know, we have a view it's not the same as a lot of Westerns types with the

There's there's a real legalistic view of salvation in a lot of a lot of mindsets a lot of

philosophies push this legalistic view of you know, we committed an

infraction a judicial infraction against God with our sin and Because of that

we owe him some sort of Atonement that we can't of

ourselves produce because we are famed by that very same sin.

So we need in the place of our own works we need some sort of

Substitution, right?

However in the orthodox view, you know, we've used sin slightly different.

We see it as rather than it being a legal affront We see it as an illness

that we suffer from and that source of that illness is no different.

Than the source in these Western philosophies, it's the it's the disobedience of man.

It's the sin of that ultimately.

Let her finish.

The.

Just actually real fast to answer your question more directly about what the gospel is.

John 3 16 tells us it says.

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son That whoever believes in him should not perish

But have everlasting life.

For God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him

might be saved.

So.

Salvation is completely and utterly the work of Christ and the mechanism by which he

achieved that was His life death and resurrection not just the crucifixion but the

entirety of the whole the incarnation.

He was born of a virgin.

We know this life The the crucifixion itself, but the fasting that

lights up that led up to it the three days.

We know this we know.

Is there a point though?

You're trying to get to

Sapphire.

What is it?

What is the gospel?

Seth separate.

No, what can you tell me in one sentence what the gospel is?

Yes.

Okay.

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son.

But whoever believed in him, okay.

All right.

Okay, that's not the gospel, but it's nice the gospels.

Sapphire the gospel is the death burial of resurrection.

That's first Corinthians 15 1 through 4.

Oh, I didn't hear you.

Oh, so it's my apologies.

I'm 360.

That's what I heard.

So.

I.

Am I'm being honest.

I thought you're rambling to.

Okay, well hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on.

Look, can you tell me okay.

Sapphire.

Are we justified before God by faith alone in Christ alone?

Absolutely, and you're not Eastern Orthodox.

I.

Know that's not what.

Hold on.

Hold on.

Can I.

Yeah, you're wrong.

Is this right?

Even I appreciate I appreciate your light.

I'm just like really annoyed.

You could let people talk without over talking there.

Yes, that's why you're if Matt is talking.

Listen, he listens to go for many men.

Sure.

You can respond when he's done.

You're literally interrupting me while I'm asking you to stop interrupting.

Just silence your mind until he's done.

It was like a cordial conversations.

Man it's like it's incredible.

I'm asking you a specific question and every time I ask you something.

Sapphire.

You have to go on with a dissertation and you go on and on.

I mean, we're just asking something simple and I asked you are we justified before

God by faith alone in Christ alone?

Now no works nothing.

It's just by faith alone in Christ.

Oh, do you agree with that or not?

I.

What Eastern Orthodoxy teaches is that justifications a lifelong process.

Be familiar with that.

Yes, ma 'am and again.

You can go back to your question if it's a lifelong process, how is it instantaneous.

Well again Matt.

The.

Calvinists the people that believe in predestination and all this stuff they believe in the same sort of thing with second

patient.

Sanctification is a lifelong process.

Okay, I'll talk about justification in Eastern Orthodoxy.

Referred again.

It's a word word concept.

Also, so it doesn't mean the same thing in my group as it is in your group.

So we have we have we can we can define working definitions.

If you want to ask me for clarification, that's what I believe that I can tell you.

But you can't tell me what I believe because of your word concept calcium.

Oh you hear Eastern Orthodox?

So then you project what you think I do.

Tell you what?

Keep hold on.

Go ahead.

Ask a question.

That means you don't believe in evolution.

Not necessarily depends on what kind of evolution micros permissible not macro.

Can we get back to the justification tough thing.

Yeah, so.

Sapphire.

I've been researching Eastern Orthodoxy for a while now.

Years.

I have a document.

That's 86 pages.

It doesn't mean I got everything right?

I've talked to a lot of Eastern Orthodox people.

I've got documentation from Eastern Orthodox sources for example Justification.

This is from orthodox bridge calm.

This term deals with how a person comes into and maintains a right relationship with God.

Ultimately, this is made possible by the cross of Christ by which he made expiation for our sins granting us forgiveness and bringing

us to a right relationship with God.

Justification is accomplished at baptism and maintained through a life of obedience to God and

confessions of sins.

Could you agree with that.

Yep.

Sapphire do you agree with that?

Yeah, okay.

Then you.

The confusion I'm having is I said you believe in justifications by faith alone in Christ

alone.

Where this says it's maintained through obedience.

That's not faith alone.

So the faithful are not obedient.

So you think faith is a bunch of works.

Faith is inherently obedience.

No.

Obedience starts with the letter O.

Faith starts with the letter F.

They're in different parts of the dictionary.

They have different definitions.

Okay.

So they the faith the faithful are obedient though, correct.

You normatively speaking but Paul the Apostle says we maintain that a man is

justified by faith apart from the works of the law Romans 3 20.

So, how can you be agree that is justified apart from the works of the law when it says that you have to be

justified?

By obedience.

You are.

Okay.

So how are you both justified by works and not justified by works?

You're making an arbitrary.

You're making an arbitrary distinction between the two based on your interpretation of the text.

No, I'm going with what you're saying.

I'm asking you.

Okay.

I'm reading the text that you read Romans and then you interpreted it in such a way where it is in

conflict with this.

Concept of obedience.

I like quoted it.

And so let me ask you.

Yes, they are now.

I got a question for you.

I got a question for you.

So, do you know what justification is.

Please stop so Sapphire.

Are you do you want.

Can you define what justification is?

Can you?

Yeah.

Justification is how again like like it said what what you read is how we are made right with God.

And it was ultimately accomplished like that like what you quoted from the word that source.

Okay, Christ's work on the cross.

So is faith.

Faith which is an intellectual thing.

Is that the same thing as doing a hundred Hail Marys?

This is where you and I would also disagree like faith is not Inherently just an intellectual thing.

It's also a real Experiential thing.

So it's your actual life.

It's not just Intellectual pursuit or practice.

It's not about Gnosis, right?

There was a whole set that Paul talks about those who falsely Falsely called knowledge, right?

So it's not a purely intellectual pursuit.

There's also the lived experience the lived life of Christians.

Well, I believe that I believe.

Hold on.

Stop.

Great.

What do you silence him?

Who is it?

I'm just trying to understand what you're good.

Yeah, just look.

So.

Faith alone is what God grants to us in this thing.

God grants that we have faith Philippians 129.

To you it has been granted to believe.

The faith is in Jesus.

John 6 29.

This is the work of God that you believe in human ascent.

So here's my question is the faith that God himself grants to us.

That's in Jesus.

Is that faith in of itself sufficient to justify us before God?

Yeah.

Then if it is that means when you have faith, you're justified, right?

Yes, then you are justified before God by nothing you've done no works, right.

Yes, good.

So you have that's the perfect quintessential example actually because You're just going

based on Purely the Bible right.

But you take this old scripture, right?

I don't but I will grant that There is no other Mention of that beef

being previously associated with Christ ministry.

So his confession of faith is at the moment of Debbie right before death.

He confesses faith in Christ he he is baptized in that moment.

But by a faith and again, that's something that it's also held as a tradition.

That.

Perspective fits into our theology.

So, you know, ultimately there is that justification by faith but again, you know, I think the major

distinction and problem here is again, mostly I'm just like a word concept fallacy and part of like

how the philosophy is applied where the emphasis is so like you have this more like.

It's pretty cringe to gain.

You're just you're just you're going on and on and get on again, okay.

So we're talking about justification so you said we're justified when we

have faith.

Right.

Is that correct?

Yes.

Okay.

Are we just by means are all of our sins forgiven at that point?

When we believe.

So, okay, so repentance.

Repentance comes first.

Repentance must come first before faith.

No before it comes then repentance then and then you're forgiven so you repent and then

you're forgiven.

Okay, and so why does.

Unrepentant sin is what it's still there.

So.

Doesn't decent Orthodox teach that you're justified at your baptism.

Yes.

Okay, so justification.

The the timing in which we do our baptism is completely different and again We also have a practice of

confession that leads into the baptism.

So there's an entire process here that isn't necessarily consistent with every single Protestant,

you know Church, so so we do formal

repentance that takes place.

And there's also the The probationary period where you join the church like you're not just

immediately.

Just that's not baptism.

Okay.

Yeah, so at baptism you're justified, right?

Yes, but you're already justified when you had faith before baptism, right?

Yeah, which is again so.

So then They

are still given the full burial rights as

Orthodox Christian because Their death is viewed as a form of baptism.

So ultimately can there is that like.

I'm not asking simple questions.

I don't need a dissertation every time.

I'm just asking simple stuff.

I'm trying to get to a point.

You said we're bad to justify when we get baptized.

You said we're justified when we believe so therefore you're justified twice.

So what's your issue with.

Like the.

Multiplicity you justified throughout your life.

I'm just asking.

I just asked.

Are you saying yeah, but justified twice.

Okay, and that's not like a hard two times.

There's like you're again.

Okay, just read from the source.

So it's a lifelong process.

Okay, so justification is a lifelong process.

Yeah, are you justified right now?

Yeah Yesterday today.

Tomorrow.

So if you were to die right now, where would you go?

Believer.

Participating in the church.

I mean I'm doing what I'm supposed to do Frank.

Oh, yeah, you say no words.

Okay, like you do what do you do?

If not believe like what it what is your how does your faith manifest.

Because again like.

When you read the text in your interpretation you invite contradiction a hard contradiction between

your understanding of justification through faith alone and.

What is explicitly written in James 2.

So in James 2?

Verse 14 it says what is what good is it my brothers if someone says he has faith, but does not

have works.

Can that faith save him if a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food?

And one of you says to them go in peace and be warm and filled without giving them the things needed for the body.

What good is that?

So also faith itself if it does not have works is dead.

So you have to you have to reconcile this this hard rock that you have drawn arbitrarily.

Let me correct you works, let me correct you on your heretical view of James chapter 2.

Well what you said I listen to me you said I drew an arbitrary line.

What you did was you skipped the verses and you skipped the stuff that was in there in order to make it fit what you wanted.

You just you just grace the Word of God.

You did not do what the Word of God said.

Listen to me.

Hold on.

I.

Listened to you and I know I know James 2 14 through 24.

Very well.

And I was listening waiting and you skip stuff and then you went down and you put stuff together.

You took things out of their context and you drove something together.

That does not belong together to make it say what you wanted to say and you skip the issue of verse 18.

Which says I'll show you my faith.

You show me your faith.

And he says James 2 19 the devil or the demons believe also.

That's the kind of faith.

He's talking about.

It's not real faith.

You skip that whole thing.

You skipped it and that's wrong for you to do.

Now I've asked you specific questions and stuff and and you're giving me contradictions.

So you tell me that you're justified at one point then you're justified again later.

Which means then that you've lost your salvation in between.

Is that correct that between these two different justifications?