So here's the idea, is that in today's modern evangelicalism, this good news, that Christ died for our sins, is under attack. It's been under attack in the mainstream of evangelicalism for a long time, but if you've listened to Fighting for the Faith for any length of time, then you know that I kind of work from a theory, and here's the theory that I work from, is that there's the emerging church, less emergent church, although there's differences, okay, the emerging emergent church kind of represents the new postmodern way of understanding Christianity from a postmodern context, and there have been guys, young leaders, who have received book deals and invitations to speak at major conferences and have had videos made, you know, guys like Tony Jones, Doug Padgett, Rob Bell, and others, these young up -and -comers, and what has happened is that guys who were part of the emergent church 1 .0, I would point you to Rob Bell, Tony Jones, and Brian McLaren, and Doug Padgett as being examples of that, what happened is is that they were no longer able to put on the false front that they were evangelicals, and their liberal, really liberal attacks against sound Christian doctrine became so apparent that it became impossible for anyone to deny that that is what was going on and that is what they were doing.