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Hi, I'm Pastor Jeff Durbin with End Abortion Now. You can get more at endabortionnow .com. I'm gonna start this by giving you my greatest thanks for all that you have done over the years by standing with us prayerfully and financially.

Because you have participated with us in this ministry, countless thousands of lives have been saved. We've been able to, at End Abortion Now, raise up churches globally to go out and to save lives at the abortion mills.

We've been able to do this because of your giving absolutely for free, with no cost, to all these churches. About a thousand churches have been raised up who are out saving lives. We've been able to start this movement in Northern Ireland, the Republic of Ireland, and now in Germany.

So I wanted to thank you. These thousands of lives that have been saved have been saved because we've worked together as the church to bring the gospel to where they are actually taking lives. Through your partnership with us in this ministry, we've been able to educate Christians globally as to what the real issues are.

Now, because Christians have gotten involved in this with faithfulness, dozens of bills of abolition have been presented across the country. We're getting so close. Next session, we have more bills of abolition coming in across many states in this union.

And so please be in prayer for that. Countless lives saved and bills of abolition happening across the country. Will you stand with us again in 2025? We need your support more than ever. Not only do we have more churches to raise up to save lives, not only do we have more work to do to educate and equip the Christian church across this nation, and not only do we have all these bills of abolition happening across the country, but we have to face now what I think is the worst of all.

And that is these ballot measures happening across the country. The ballot measures and propositions that would update the constitutions, the state constitutions that would allow abortion from fertilization through nine months.

You heard that right. In many ways, we are about to face the bloodiest and most brutal part of this Holocaust we have seen yet. Go to endabortionnow .com. Go to get your church signed up to get the free training, the free resources to be a part of saving even more lives outside those abortion mills.

And please give at endabortionnow .com. Help us to meet our budget goal. Help us to match these large donations. Get to our budget goal, establish justice, and then close up shop. Never do this again.

We are not trying to create an industry at endabortionnow. We are trying to establish justice and to walk away from this. Help us to meet our goal. We are facing an enemy that has tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars that we have to overcome.

Help us to overcome this injustice. Help us to meet this financial goal. 2025, I think is gonna be in many ways our toughest year yet, but also the year where we are closest. I am confident that God is gonna establish justice very soon in one of these states.

Help us to get there. Endabortionnow .com is where you go. That's where you can give. And I wanna thank you from the bottom of my heart for giving and being a part of this ministry with us.

My name is Kenya. I'm 23 years old and I have two twins, Malik and Jabril. I grew up in California, kind of part of my life story. Brought back out here to Arizona at a young age. Went through high school, then, you know, have my kids, got my four kids, nothing special.

I would say the initial circumstance that really made me want to go to an abortion clinic is I found out that I was pregnant and it sucks because I just found out that the dad's going to prison in a couple months, you know, prior to me finding out that I was pregnant.

So that was one thing that made me want to do something like that because why am I gonna do this for X amount of whatever length of time? I'll do it alone. Not only am I struggling with my two kids, just got fired from my job to having graduated high school.

And then I go to my first appointment and then they're like, there's two of them. So I was like, wow. And I was on birth control with both of them too. So that doesn't always work, obviously, clearly.

And so I ended up going to this abortion clinic and they did a consultation and everything. It was funny because they're the ones who told me that my pregnancy wasn't viable, actually. It was a really sad day for me because then again, they told me that it wasn't really viable.

And they're like, so, and within those same questions, they're like pushing on with this. Do you really want to do this? Or how can we accept payment? And when are we scheduling it for? Not how do you feel about this?

Or do you have questions about what's going on? And then, yeah, so I just, I was there that day. And then I remember I walked outside and there was these pro-life people outside and then they took me back to their little camper van thingy.

And then we did an ultrasound and then that's when I found out I was having twins. So that's what was crazy. I didn't even tell nobody at that point. It's just me who knows that. So I found, it was like a rollercoaster.

I found out a bunch, like the abortion clinic says this might not be a viable pregnancy to finding out that it was twins. So it was a lot. He, my baby daddy, he turned himself into Jill 10 days before I went into preterm labor.

And so I really do blame stress and depression on me going into labor early with twins. Cause I just had a baby about like literally a year ago at that point, almost. After he turned himself into Jill, my son ended up having a seizure.

I had to take him to the hospital. My job at the time terminated me at that point. And then it ended up a couple of days later, I went into preterm labor when I was by myself in the dark. And thank God I called 911 in time because the babies were, both of the babies weren't breathing.

So I feel like if I would have had them at home or just prolong something, something worse would have maybe happened. They had an extended NICU stay. Baby A was in there for 60 days and baby B was in there for 50 days.

Pastor Zach and everyone else at the church, they were there for me asking me again, if I need anything, they would bring the baby's gifts to the hospitals, like little blankets and stuff like that. They were still there for me and my other two children as well as the two twins in the hospital.

They were in contact with another pro-life organization helping me get things, like set up a baby registry for me. I got a lot of stuff for the twins and again, my other two kids. And I don't have very much family support out here.

Their dad is in jail already. So they were there as much as they could be, you know, checking in on me again, giving me like things that I needed from all my kids, offering to come visit me in the hospital because I know how sad and depressed I was at the time and just always being there, open ear, checking in, seeing how my son was doing after this episode.

What did you see that caused the change of heart that specific day?

There was two of them. I mean, even if there was one of them, I was still having doubts, like, is there something that I want to do because it's a permanent decision? I think that gave me a little bit of change of heart, you know, the two, that's crazy.

But because I know I had other kids and not even the fact, it's not even the fact that I had two other kids or any kids at all. It's still something that's alive, you know, and something that I would have, like, you know, I would have murdered basically, you know, it makes me want to cry because I love them so much.

But yeah, it could have, you know, like, they could have been gone right now or they wouldn't be a thing. I just love them so much now. They wouldn't be here if I actually did that. And it's just like, how could I think, why would I want to do that?

And all those things came together in that moment to where I realized, okay, I'm called to do something in this fight against abortion. The abortion mill was located on a hill and I would soon find out that that hill would be called Hell's Hill.

On Hell's Hill, we had a time where a young lady and a young man were going in to abort. It was a very tense situation. We know that when you're on Hell's Hill, you've got to discern things really quickly and there's times to speak and there's times to be quiet because if you keep speaking, you might die.

And today was one of those moments where this young man was with a young lady and as they were going in, he was making threats towards us. And I looked at the people around us and I said, don't say anything else because he will kill us if we keep talking.

And the young man went in, but the young lady heard the words that we spoke to her, the encouragement we spoke to her. So she snuck out and she snuck to her car to hear more of what we had to say. And so when she was out there, we got to talk to her just for a few minutes more and it was enough to change her mind.

So she goes back into the abortion mill and she tells the guy that she's going to keep the child. He's really angry towards us and I look at everybody around us and I tell him, don't say a word to him because we will die today if we say anything to him.

And so they get in their cars, she gets in her car and she drives away. He gets in his car and he's pulling down the parking lot. He's in a rage and he's lost. And he rolls down the window and he screams at me and he says, can you tell me how to get back to the interstate at the top of his lungs?

I tell him to go down to the bottom of the hill, turn right and you'll find the interstate. And so that was on a Friday. Sunday, I get a call and a friend calls me and says, hey, I have a friend that's struggling.

Can I give this guy your number so he can call you? And I said, sure. So on Monday, I get a call from Birmingham, Alabama and I'm talking to this guy that's hurting and I'm trying to understand who he is and what's going on.

As we began to talk, I realized that there's something strange about the conversation. And so I speak back to the young man and I said, hey, you're in Birmingham, you live in Birmingham, but were you in Nashville on Friday?

And he says, yes, I was. I said, were you at an abortion facility? He said, yes, I was. I said, I'm your guy. He goes, what do you mean, you're my guy? How do you know I was there? I said, I'm the guy.

He goes, what do you mean? I said, I'm the guy that you wanted to kill. And there was a silence on the phone and I said, man, before you hang up, can I ask you one question? He goes, yeah. How is that possible that you're at the abortion mill on Friday and you wanted me dead, but you're the one calling me on Monday from Birmingham, Alabama?

And he said, God. I said, yeah, let me tell you about my God. And so I told him about the Lord, shared the gospel with him and he listened. And I asked him, I said, do you have any questions? He says, no.

And it's interesting how it ended, but he said, you know, I appreciate the conversation. I'll never talk to you again. And he hung up. But what an incredible miracle. What's the chances of that guy leaving that abortion mill on Friday, not having my number or knowing who I was, and he called me on Monday.

God's amazing. Had a situation one time where we had a guy and a girl and they were in a car really far away from us, about 50 feet, and we couldn't get their attention. Their heads were down. We could tell that there was a lot of heaviness in their car.

And in that moment, I began to pray and say, Lord, would you give me something that would get their attention and that they would look at me? And so I said that prayer, that simple prayer, and I felt like the Lord gave me something.

I knew I had a box of diapers in my truck and I felt like the Lord wanted me to go get the box of diapers. And so I go get this box of diapers. I'm standing next to a lady named Kathy and she goes, what are you doing?

I said, I felt like the Lord wanted me to get the box of diapers. So I'm standing there with this box of diapers. It has a picture of a beautiful African American child on the box and I'm sitting there holding it.

And I felt like the Lord said, put the box on your head. So I put the box on my head. And Kathy looks at me and says, so you're telling me that the Lord told you to put a box of diapers on your head? And I'm like, yep.

And so we're kind of laughing a little bit. But then all of a sudden the couple, the guy would never look at us, but the young lady looks down, who's been looking down for 20 minutes, looks up and she looks at me holding this box of diapers on my head.

She looks down and then she looks back up and she can't take her eyes off the box of diapers and she begins to cry. She gets out of her car and she walks over to us. That would begin a conversation that would lead to an amazing rescue and we would eventually throw this couple an incredible baby shower up in Clarksville, Tennessee.

Had a woman named Devin. Devin had a heart condition. Only 25 of her heart was working. She became pregnant. She went to a doctor and the doctor told her you have to abort the child or if you try to have a child, you will die.

Your heart will give out. She was devastated by that news, but she planned her abortion appointment at Hell's Hill. That day she drove two hours from Parsons, Tennessee to abort her child. As she was driving in, she was praying to the Lord and she said, Lord, is there a way out?

And the Lord gave her some words and the Lord told her, if you hear these words, there's another way, don't have your abortion. So Devin pulls in that day. I happened to be at the abortion meal at Hell's Hill.

She gets out of her car. She's walking down the sidewalk and I'm praying to the Lord, what words do you want me to say to this woman that's walking into the abortion meal? I literally have one option to say something and I say the words, hey, there's another way.

She looks at me and she's emotional. She's an emotional wreck. She's crying and she comes over and she tells me about the drive in from Parsons. She tells me about the prayer and she looks at me and she says, you know, the doctor says, I will die if I have this child.

Now I looked at her and said, man, what a great way to go. If you're gonna die, why not die for somebody else? Why not die for this child? And so she took my advice and she carried the pregnancy and we began to walk with her.

We threw her a beautiful baby shower. I remember the day when she had her child. She had it in Nashville, Tennessee at Centennial Hospital. I remember being in the room that day with her. I knew the risks that were involved that she could possibly die during the pregnancy.

I remember walking in that room and seeing her family all there and they're wondering who's this guy in the room. Devin never told her family about our relationship and how we came to know each other.

And so Devin went in to give birth and she almost died. She did, but she didn't. And she had this beautiful baby boy named Billy and we rejoiced. And Devin went home to Parsons, Tennessee, but a year later, Devin would die.

Her heart would give out. Her family finally found out about our relationship and how we met. They found out, they just heard the story and they sent me this incredible letter and said, thank you, Devin's legacy now lives on through Billy.

Isn't that amazing?

Hi, I'm Pastor Jeff Durbin with End Abortion Now. You can get more at endabortionnow .com. I wanna start this by giving you my greatest thanks for all that you have done over the years by standing with us prayerfully and financially because you have participated with us in this ministry.

Countless thousands of lives have been saved. We've been able to, at End Abortion Now, raise up churches globally to go out and to save lives at the abortion mills. We've been able to do this because of your giving absolutely for free with no cost to all these churches.

About a thousand churches have been raised up who are out saving lives. We've been able to start this movement in Northern Ireland, the Republic of Ireland, and now in Germany. So I wanted to thank you.

These thousands of lives that have been saved have been saved because we've worked together as the church to bring the gospel to where they are actually taking lives. Through your partnership with us in this ministry, we've been able to educate Christians globally as to what the real issues are.

Now, because Christians have gotten involved in this with faithfulness, dozens of bills of abolition have been presented across the country. We're getting so close. Next session, we have more bills of abolition coming in across many states in this union.

And so please be in prayer for that. Countless lives saved and bills of abolition happening across the country. Will you stand with us again in 2025? We need your support more than ever. Not only do we have more churches to raise up to save lives, not only do we have more work to do to educate and equip the Christian church across this nation, and not only do we have all these bills of abolition happening across the country, but we have to face now what I think is the worst of all, and that is these ballot measures happening across the country.

The ballot measures and propositions that would update the constitutions, the state constitutions that would allow abortion from fertilization through nine months. You heard that right. In many ways, we are about to face the bloodiest and most brutal part of this Holocaust we have seen yet.

Go to endabortionnow .com. Go to get your church signed up to get the free training, the free resources to be a part of saving even more lives outside those abortion mills. And please give at endabortionnow .com.

Help us to meet our budget goal. Help us to match these large donations. Get to our budget goal, establish justice, and then close up shop. Never do this again. We are not trying to create an industry at End Abortion Now.

We are trying to establish justice and to walk away from this. Help us to meet our goal. We are facing an enemy that has tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars that we have to overcome. Help us to overcome this injustice.

Help us to meet this financial goal. 2025, I think, is gonna be, in many ways, our toughest year yet, but also the year where we are closest. I am confident that God is gonna establish justice very soon in one of these states.

Help us to get there. Endabortionnow .com is where you go, that's where you can give, and I wanna thank you from the bottom of my heart for giving and being a part of this ministry with us.

I am very, very lucky. They slept great through the night, great through the day, well eaters. I have no complaints. He loves to be cuddled and held, barely ever cries. I feel like I was blessed, and because I made a really positive and good decision, that God blessed me with a really good baby.

My name is Devine, and then this little guy right here is Oliver, and he is seven months old. Initially, what took me out to the abortion clinic was with my last pregnancy, I was diagnosed with hypermesis gravidarum, and that is just like excessive throwing up and being really, really, really sick while you're pregnant, and it put me out of work, and we were already struggling and trying to recover with our finances, so it was really probably money issues, I would say.

What I remember when I pulled in that day was there were a whole bunch of people standing at the road protesting, and I felt very overwhelmed and uncomfortable because I did already have a daughter, and I also was adopted, so I knew every option and other road that I could possibly take on, and when I saw them, I also felt like a sense of relief when I got there, too.

That day, I was experiencing a lot of over-emotions, and I was overwhelmed, stressed, and I just didn't really know which way to turn, probably also a little numb, I wanna say, just because I didn't fully believe in that decision, having an abortion, so I was conflicted, and when I went there that day, I already knew that I didn't really wanna go through with having the abortion, and so when I got out of my car, I did go into the office, but it told me that you needed to do walk-in appointments only, and when I got there, they told me you needed to call and make an appointment, so they actually had no walk-ins available, and it was about an hour drive from my house, so I would have to go home and find another way to come back, so it felt, in a way, like it wasn't something that I was supposed to do, and then as I was pulling away, they came up to my car window because there was a lot of traffic, and asked me to roll my window down, and I did, and then we had a nice conversation about why I felt the way I did about having an abortion, and where in life and what it was I was struggling with.

They ended up giving me money that day on the spot for groceries, because we were short on rent and stuff because I was already getting sick, and I was only like eight weeks pregnant, and they helped me out that week with groceries, and then they also gave me their phone number and told me that I should call them and get in touch with them, and so it was more me being adopted and just talking about the other routes that I could take that really led me to be like, hey, someone else saved me and showed me a route of love that I know, no matter the struggle, and mine was only with money, that I could still keep my son.

It's hard to imagine if the church wasn't there that day, because I don't know what the outcome would've actually been. I don't know if I would've gone through it with how bad we were struggling, but ultimately, I would've come to the decision, I think, that I would've kept him anyway, but the way my life is going right now with work and family and still living in this state and having full custody of my kids turned out beneficial, because if it would've went any other way, he wouldn't be here, or I wouldn't be blessed with the job opportunities and everything that has come my way since I was able to keep him.

I could not honestly imagine life without Oliver. He is perfect. He resembles a lot of his sister. They both took on the date the 12th of the year, so he didn't want her to be the only star in my life, and then he copied her with the helmet.

He's moving and growing so much, and then I get to see him and work with him every single day, so I couldn't imagine life any other way. He is actually the first boy in my family on my side from my grandparents, so my dad is thrilled.

He now has a fishing buddy, and everybody else just loves him, because everybody's squishy. What I would say to a mom who is leaning towards getting an abortion is to personally wait and to look into resources in your community and your churches that can offer you some help no matter what the issue is, whether it's not being with the father anymore, being young, that you have to tell your parents or your grandparents or your guardian, whether in and out of trouble, alcohol issues, whatever it is, your kids love you from the moment they are made inside of you, and you can feel that love before you even take a test, and everything through them is brand new, and it just reminds you of all the little things in life, whether you didn't have a family growing up, your parents weren't around, I was adopted growing up, my birth parents were in and out of jail, but there's nothing more empowering than overcoming your struggles and making a change, and we can't make a change without actually stopping the wrongs and doing what's right, and what's right is saving lives and making a positive, impactful change amongst them and yourselves.

The argument is women should have a choice because there's 15, just in Phoenix, multiplied by 52 states or cities or whatever, these are children that nobody loves, and they are so messed up when they grow up, how would you like to know that you were born and nobody loved you?

The foster kids that get fostered and adopted and stuff do better, my kids are still pretty messed up, it's just mind-boggling. You love those kids though, right? Oh, God. Aren't they wonderful? They are, but they're still mind-boggled that their mother didn't love them, and I'm not saying, I'm not judging that it's murder or not murder, I think a woman should have a choice.

To murder? To do what she needs to do with her own body, she'll face her God, he can judge her,.

I think it's her right. I really appreciate the way you're engaging this, would you argue that with, say, an issue like rape or slavery? Would I argue what other? Well, I respect the way that you're handling it, you're saying, I'm not arguing if it's murder or not, and they're gonna face God for it, but I think you and I would both stand hand-in-hand opposed to, say, slavery.

We would say, unacceptable, it has to be stopped. But you're not saying that about the innocent children in the womb, you're saying, just let them die and let God deal with it.

No, no, I'm saying let the woman who makes the choice deal with it, it's her, she will be judged for it, right or wrong, from God.

Can I suggest something to you? The same kinds of arguments were being used during the time of the abolition of slavery. The abolitionist Christians were arguing to the culture at large, you cannot destroy our black brothers and sisters like this, you can't kidnap and enslave black people.

According to the Bible, enslaving and kidnapping somebody was actually a capital crime, it was worthy of the death penalty. And there were people, even professing Christians at the time, who were so numb, and they were part of the slave trade, they were actually arguing, look, if you don't want a slave, don't own one.

It's my plantation, it's my property, it's my choice. And they were saying, look, just stay out of it. If I'm wrong, I'll face God for it. But thank God for those abolitionists who were saying, no, this is wicked, it's unjust, it's immoral, it has to be stopped, it has to be criminalized.

And so the same kind of arguments, think about this for a second, because you were just over there, I heard it and it was amazing, because I was like, I've heard that before, I can't believe we're still using it.

She was saying up there, my body, my choice, and I'm thinking to myself, it wasn't very long ago we were saying my plantation, my choice. But then, it was a bunch of white people that drew a circle around themselves and said, you can oppress this class.

Now it's a bunch of people drawing a circle around themselves, saying you can oppress this class.

Okay, but this is not a class of human beings that are born, abortions are within the first, what, eight weeks?

I think it's three months or something? It depends on where you're, that's a good point. It depends on where, which state you're talking about. But like the, did you sign the ballot initiative? To put it on the ballot.

Do you know what that's for? No, I guess not. You know what it says? It says, actually what they're working for is they're working, it's a ballot measure to create a constitutional amendment for abortion, essentially up to birth.

Because what it says is, if you can't survive outside the womb without extraordinary medical measures, in other words, preemies. My babies were preemies. I just spent two months in the hospital with them.

So you know what that's like. If you can't survive without medical measures, then you can be killed.

That's what that measure says. Which I signed because I was signing, but when it goes to actually vote, I actually read about them. Yeah. Women don't really want abortions. They don't wait till, you don't go through this baby growing and moving inside you for eight months and then go, oops, I made a mistake.

Women don't really do that. I know lots of women that are proud of their abortions. They're actually saying, shout your abortion. You know what?

And they'll meet their God. It's still, there's still 15 ,000 unwanted children. These are children. I really respect. This little baby in the womb is not a child.

I honestly respect what you're saying because you truly believe it. You're engaged in foster care and adoption. Thank God for you. You care about children. You clearly have a heart of compassion for children.

You're concerned as I am too. We're both concerned over the failure of our state's adoption system and foster care system. It's a real, it's a real problem. And I will say this, it's an indictment upon the Christian church.

The Christian church used to really run the adoption issue and we were thriving with it. When the state got in control over it, the church backed away. And now we have, I think, in some sense, we've got some responsibility over how bad it is.

Christians who say that they care about life and care about children aren't doing what they're supposed to do.

To care for these children. That's what I said. All these people with square bedrooms. That's exactly right. Protesting's nice, but there's still 15 ,000.

So you and I are hand in hand on this.

And I just think it should be women's choice.

They will meet their God. But the issue though with the child in the womb is it's a human being from fertilization. Let me ask you a question. And I don't want to get too personal here, but I imagine some of the children you've done foster care with have been special needs or have had children?

I have not.

The foster care system was very good. I went through Catholic Social Services. And I had three kids of my own and I was single and everything. And they let you pretty much say what you want because they don't want them sent back.

I said, I was working, I can't really do special needs. I can't do kids with a ton of issues. Almost all my kids went home. They were parents who needed a break. They were loved. They were parents who needed to fix themselves and get their kids back.

But I went to the Christmas parties and saw all the, oh my God, it's just heartbreaking.

And it is heartbreaking, but also those children are valuable, aren't they? They're valuable, but they don't believe it. So are the children in the womb. Hi, I'm Pastor Jeff Durbin with End Abortion Now.

You can get more at endabortionnow .com. I'm gonna start this by giving you my greatest thanks for all that you have done over the years by standing with us prayerfully and financially. Because you have participated with us in this ministry, countless thousands of lives have been saved.

We've been able to, at End Abortion Now, raise up churches globally to go out and to save lives at the abortion mills. We've been able to do this because of your giving absolutely for free with no cost to all these churches.

About a thousand churches have been raised up who are out saving lives. We've been able to start this movement in Northern Ireland, the Republic of Ireland, and now in Germany. So I wanted to thank you.

These thousands of lives that have been saved because we've worked together as the church to bring the gospel to where they are actually taking lives. Through your partnership with us in this ministry, we've been able to educate Christians globally as to what the real issues are.

Now, because Christians have gotten involved in this with faithfulness, dozens of bills of abolition have been presented across the country. We're getting so close. Next session, we have more bills of abolition coming in across many states in this union.

And so please be in prayer for that. Countless lives saved and bills of abolition happening across the country. Will you stand with us again in 2025? We need your support more than ever. Not only do we have more churches to raise up to save lives, not only do we have more work to do to educate and equip the Christian church across this nation, and not only do we have all these bills of abolition happening across the country, but we have to face now what I think is the worst of all.

And that is these ballot measures happening across the country. The ballot measures and propositions that would update the constitutions, the state constitutions that would allow abortion from fertilization through nine months.

You heard that right. In many ways, we are about to face the bloodiest and most brutal part of this Holocaust we have seen yet. Go to endabortionnow .com, go to get your church signed up to get the free training, the free resources to be a part of saving even more lives outside those abortion mills.

And please give at endabortionnow .com. Help us to meet our budget goal. Help us to match these large donations, get to our budget goal, establish justice, and then close up shop. Never do this again.

We are not trying to create an industry at endabortionnow .com. We are trying to establish justice and to walk away from this. Help us to meet our goal. We are facing an enemy that has tens of millions, hundreds of millions of dollars that we have to overcome.

Help us to overcome this injustice. Help us to meet this financial goal. 2025, I think, is gonna be, in many ways, our toughest year yet, but also the year we are closest. I am confident that God is gonna establish justice very soon in one of these states.

Help us to get there. Endabortionnow .com is where you go, that's where you can give, and I wanna thank you from the bottom of my heart for giving and being a part of this ministry with us.

They'll never know it, but these children are born, and they will spend 60 years shattered.

Yeah, and what I think here, I know I agree, I actually sympathize very much with what you're saying, but I think you'd agree, though, that there's a category over here of something we need to fix. There's children in the system, they need to be cared for, they need to be loved.

But the question is, is why? Are they valuable? Okay, then we have another category over here of the same human beings that are in the womb that are just as valuable that are being executed and argued to be executed.

And nobody's fixing it. I don't think we could fix the problem.