From Claire de Lune to Jonathan Merritt to Rome’s Dogmas About Mary

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Well, greeting folks, I'm not really sure if I'm here. It's a Monday and Evidently, there is a great deal of censorship coming down From Big Tech, which of course is all leftist communists these days and Yeah, but yeah, no, it's it's not gonna help anything but that's the fact and I Was just reading

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YouTube banned Stefan Molyneux hosts the largest philosophy channel on the platform

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He's also it's just they're just calling it the suspension Comes amidst coordinated purge of dissident voices on several big tech platforms reddit

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YouTube And that's what makes our situation strange I Was informed this morning actually

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Samuel say was the first one to mention it in on Twitter that if you link to The statement on social justice and the gospel say it's a man the gospel of social justice

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And anything on that Page and I believe Samuel has some articles on that page.

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Maybe that's how he found out of I don't know I didn't ask him about but anyways That Twitter will throw up a warning screen on your browser that this is dangerous and Might be trying to get you right your

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Information and all the rest of this kind of stuff and your passwords and everything else I've always wondered about Tom Askell personally.

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I've always thought he'd look like a Cyber hacker type guy and this may this may be the final proof.

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We needed anyway But some folks on Twitter are saying and I looked it up myself

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If you if you go to Google and search for it

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About the third one down is a Japanese page

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Some people thought it was Chinese and thought it was in Mandarin It's actually according to Google is Japanese, but it can't translate for some reason.

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Somebody said it translates out to aluminum parts Which Are very important things

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I'm sure but have nothing to do with the statement on social justice in the gospel So maybe what has happened here is there's been some kind of a mess up with You know a technical mess up that's been picked up by the bots and and that's what's going on It would it would seem to me that if Twitter wanted to get rid of any links to That statement this probably wouldn't be the way they would do it.

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I think there's much more effective ways to do it. So let's see Let's let's see if there's a response first of all and then

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When people who don't have any vested interest from where the other is saying, yeah, you know

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I try to look it up and I ended up landing on this page that you know was in foreign characters and that at least raises the possibility that it's actually just a technical snafu and that It'll get fixed over time

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Briefly you would think But when it's happening the very same day as all this other stuff happens it does make you wonder and obviously right now is the time that a lot of people just want to pull the trigger and just start getting ready people right and left because no one's gonna who did

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Everyone's attention is so Distracted 47 ,000 different directions

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And everyone's sitting around going Can I still use

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Whitening tooth polish even if I have to wear a mask,

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I Just I just don't know what to do anymore That's that's where we are

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That's where we are I Didn't I didn't ask if I could say this but I don't think you'll mind.

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I was up in Flagstaff last week and We did the program from up there on Thursday, I believe and In case you're wondering

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Flagstaff averages about 7 ,000 feet where I say is about 7 ,200 feet So it's one of the only places you can go and get altitude training

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Even though all my rides to Colorado and Utah have been canceled. I'm still gonna try to do some stuff anyway

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So I was up there that's when I get some books read and and It's also the week of my 38th wedding anniversary 38

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I realize You know

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We got two more years until Anyone's really gonna care again. That's just You know 35 sort of cool you know, but After 30, it's only the 10s that really count after well

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I just figure after 50 every year accounts for some things but but But yeah, especially, you know, but 36 37 38 39 is just sort of like Yeah, okay

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You know what? What are you gonna do? 40s 40s big. I remember my parents 40th

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And then of course 50. I mean, wow, there you go but so my wife came up and we

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Did I tell you that she Ran walked from the bottom to the top of the mountain

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Yeah, yeah, she she did we did it in two parts because we went up to a certain part and Then I had to go back down.

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I was running with her and we went back down and then I did the bike and She drove back up to where we turned around and so she did the whole thing and I would just loop her

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I'd go up a little ways and come back down. It was fun Beautiful weather and like I said gets up to over 9 ,000 feet.

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So you you get some good altitude. Anyways, so you came up and I don't know how to tell the story though.

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So I didn't tell you this story I'll be brief and then we'll get to important stuff.

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Sorry But on Monday night Josh Walker who is at a church up there in Flagstaff Who was a student of mine at one point in the long long distance distant past Josh and I went out because Kelly hadn't come up yet and I Set up my 8 -inch me

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Which has really good optics on it and we're at over 8 ,000 feet in a totally dark area about 12 miles

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North West sort of Flagstaff which is supposed to be a dark sky city anyways, but you can still see a lot of light kind of likes of Flagstaff but Set up out there a place.

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I've set up a number of times before I've done it I've taken a lot of pictures up there and I've been trying to get a picture of Alberio and And I've told the story that Jason Lyle's when

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I got me into doing astronomy and the way he did it is he showed me Andromeda and Jupiter and Saturn and all that stuff and all that stuff was wonderful But one of the last things he showed us was

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Alberio and when I saw Alberio And we talked about Alberio When he was on just a few weeks ago

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I Was hooked and so I've always wanted to get a decent picture of Alberio my own

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There are pictures of Alberio on the internet. So what I want one that I took that my eyes saw that my camera took that I did the work to get and So I've been working to try to do that.

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The only way you can't do it in Phoenix. You can't do it in Phoenix I'm sorry too much dust too much light.

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I mean Once you see what it looks like out there at 8 ,000 feet on a clear night

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With no moon, obviously have to have that And then compare what you've got in my backyard.

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It's like soup It's like looking through soup It's sad you can you can you can't you can see 10 % of what's up there

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It's horrible. So anyway, we got out there we got set up and I'll bury arises and Out there you can't really tell whether you got good pictures or not because all

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I can see is what's on the screen you got to get back and process them and stuff like that and and so I have up I Think the best one that I got and So this is this is there's there's

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Alberio and that's that is my work there kids Alberio is possibly a full binary

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Jason Indicated that his study was indicates. It's an optical Even though the two stars are in the very same area.

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They may not be gravitationally bound And it's not actually two stars is four, but you can't see the other two

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But it's just the most beautiful gold blue binary at least visibly binary star

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In the sky as far as I can tell and that's just that's exactly what

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I wanted right there I mean that is spot -on Perfect. I mean look at that You can you can see the blue is so much smaller

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Than than the much larger gold colored star, but you can the contrast is just stunning and That is my camera.

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That's a Sony a 6300 attached to a mead 8 -inch

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Um What's the name of the elf The names it's a

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Russian name or something Forgotten exact. Sorry about that. I Haven't used the phrase in a few months, but it's a specific kind of comma free telescope.

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It's really nice and Of course, what it has to be able to do is track and so it's it's track. It was tracking perfectly beautiful night

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Got that picture very very happy Excited so and so you can go ahead and take that down.

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So the next night the next night Kelly's up and so I was going to get some shots of the

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Milky Way This is a different way of this is different that I'm using my camera with different lenses and it's

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I'm not I'm not even setting Up the telescope. This is much broader stuff So we get out there and and I put the tripod up It's just a little it's not not nothing like the one for the telescope and all of a sudden my wife and I look up and this bull is

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Walking down the road through the forest pretty much straight for us. Now.

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We knew that there was a That there was a bunch of cattle sort of across this field

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But we're sort of looking at each other and she's got she's I'm gonna go back to the car

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So she's she's standing back by the car and the bulls are stopped stares at us and then he

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Turns toward where all the other cows are and as he's walking he's making the strangest noises

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I've ever heard just this Stuff and I'm just like and once he stopped to drop down getting took like a dirt bath or something and Then finally disappeared.

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Well, it took him so long to do that that it was getting pretty dark by this point and So I'm like, okay.

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All right, he's we heard him off with his friends over there still making these real loud noises and then

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I heard something and I had one of these I love these super bright

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Phoenix FENIX Phoenix Flashlights are these Cree bulbs. They're you know, love that kind of gadgety thing

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And so I I hit it and I'm sort of doing this number and I stop Because there is a pair of eyes

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Staring at me from not too far away. I mean when I say not too far away 50 yards, maybe hard to tell in the dark and They are not close together

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They're fairly wide apart from one another and I Coyote wouldn't have that large of a head.

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I think it was a wolf. What do you think it was? He has a cow. No. Mm -hmm

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I don't know I Was I had with me not that night

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I had the night before and I forgot to bring it out an infrared scope That I would have been able to tell exactly what it was

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But this thing's checking me out and Kelly's like, okay,

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I'm getting in the car now So and I know she ain't ever coming back out not no not tonight not here.

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No, that's that's not gonna happen No, it's gonna happen. So I'm standing out there next to this thing and I get the feeling it's getting closer and So I'm like, okay

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I gotta pick up this tripod and then I've got to turn around and put my back toward this thing To get back to the car.

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I don't like this So I I tell the wife I said I'm taking a shot because I'm armed and So I didn't try to shoot it.

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I tried to shoot near it figuring between the sound the flash and something going nearby

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Whatever it is is going to go someplace else. I hope and So I and man out there in the forest it just echoes all over all over the place it really does and So I hit the flashlight again.

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It's moved Basically to its left and has moved away a little bit fairly quickly.

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That's why I don't think it was a cow And I saw it looking at me and then gone never saw it again

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So I get back to the car and I I get in and Kelly's like I'm not going out there again

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And we're like, well, it's getting nice and dark now And then Kelly goes.

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Well, this does have a moonroof, right? I think oh, yeah, so it's got a

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Effect and so we spent I don't know how long out there in pitch black in my little

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Subaru Forester And I would put the camera up on the roof and use the roof to Steady it and was taking pictures through the moon through the moon roof we actually sort of got up on the seats a little bit and Looking around every once in a while.

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I'd I do a little scan with the flashlight looking for look we're looking for eyes and But the funny the fun, you know, it was really got fun.

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We started satellite hunting You honestly you could not go more than two minutes maybe three max until you saw a satellite

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I Mean not only is it just that pitch black and the sky was so beautiful, but there we have a space junk problem

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They're launching. I showed you I showed you the video. I think we even played the video of the the 58

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Starlink Satellites and they're launching 54 more next week. I don't know how many satellites are already buzzing around this

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Planet, but it's getting a little insane We're gonna have to develop some kind of trash pickup service

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You charge all the nations on the earth that want satellite service and and and then you send that sucker up and you pick up all the garbage

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Because it's it's getting crazy up there, but it was beautiful. It was it was it was it and That's what we did for our 12th wedding anniversary.

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We had gone up to New River and Parked car and had ridden our bikes up five mile hill to What's the name of the rest stop up there?

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sunset point and Then back in that's what we did for our 12th wedding anniversary so for our 38th wedding anniversary, we

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Shot at something in the dark and hunted satellites That's I got one word for you and it is one word.

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It's not two words. It's one word city slicker What I got one word for you, it's not two words one word city slicker city slicker, okay

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All right. That's that's that's what I just heard Well, hey if you if you

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If you did go out there and let that thing sit there staring at you that close by while you're doing other stuff

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Well, okay fine you you do that. I'll do the eulogy if they can find enough body parts left

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But I This is a spot.

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I've gone to six six seven times now and first time I've had any wildlife issues whatsoever

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That I know of yeah, yeah, no I've I've had I've had I have a lesser

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Infrared to that I've used out there and I I didn't see I haven't seen anything before so man I wish I had had it though because I would have been able to tell immediately exactly what it what it was

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I don't know.

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It didn't seem overly afraid of humans, but The the shot I can't see a cow moving that fast

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No, no, there's this one. No. No, there's this one pair of eyes. There's one pair of eyes. So everybody's

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Posting now stuff about the Seho industry Say ho

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Kogyo aluminum reversible turbo nozzle bicycle storage yodo storage

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And that's what comes up when you search for Our website the statement website not great

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That's that's that's wonderful So I'm hoping that's what it is But with everything else going on to who really really knows

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I I don't know. All right, let's completely change topic here

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Now let me make sure this is plugged in you're gonna say what on earth are you doing there is

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There is a purpose for this. You don't have to show this. This is all just audio But I want to play something for you

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That someone posted on on Facebook and I looked it up and I was fascinated by it and I just made some connections

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But see if you recognize this at all So most of you probably do recognize

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Claude Debussy's Claire de Lune One of the most beautiful Compositions ever and you may be going it sounds a little strange.

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This is a piano roll And Sounds a little loud in my ear.

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I'm not sure if anybody can hear me or not, but this is a piano roll recording of Debussy himself playing

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Claire de Lune But this was before you had actual audio recording it's it's really something

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I don't know exactly how it worked but it's Recording it as a piano roll I've been told there is one recording of him actually playing it.

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That's what we would consider standard audio recording. I'm not sure but what's fascinating to me is

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Here's the guy who wrote it and I Okay, I I've listened obviously to many many many

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Performances of Claire de Lune and some are Deathly slow and then some are super slow and then

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Speed up a lot and then go super slow and and obviously there's room for Interpretation of musical things, but I've often wondered what would

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Beethoven how would Beethoven have played? Some of Beethoven's own music

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How about handle What what about how how useful would that be if you are seeking to reproduce the actual intentions of The person who wrote the music in the first place now you you can make a good argument

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I suppose you don't have to do that That one of the beauties of music is it allows for all sorts of personal expression, but You would especially think that it would be nice to know that at the start

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Know what the author? What the author was thinking what the author was hearing and then if you want to leave that and and Variations on a theme and stuff like that.

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Sure. Fine. Wonderful, but especially with historical stuff And as I was listening this

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I was thinking about A couple things. I one of the first thoughts across her mind was

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I've said very often that when we look at early Mormon history and the teachings of the early

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Mormon leaders We have something called the Journal of Discourses 26 volumes long and I've often used the illustration that What if we had something like the

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Journal of Discourses for the Apostles? What if we had 26 volumes of their sermons?

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Contemporaneous with the authors of Scripture Don't you think that would be one of the primary?

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Sources we would go to to interpret what they wrote would be their own sermons

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We don't have anything like that and Every claim to apostolic tradition that tries to fulfill that has proven to be unreliable but The reality is that when when it comes to Scripture We still have

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The original author with us You don't have that with the music

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That's as this is the serve as close as you can get with something like that and in a fairly recent time frame

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You know just over a hundred years ago This was

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I think said 1913 so just over a hundred years ago, but When it comes to Scripture There are many people who would say that Scripture is like a piece of music that we can play any way we want to I Do any of you remember none none of you remember

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All you old folkies fogies in the in in the audience Remember the

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Glenn Miller story? I Love that that movie as another Jimmy Stewart classic and Remember how he struggled to get moonlight serenade, right and there is this one time where he saw it being performed and it was all jazzy and this woman's singing it and he's just like That is doesn't he wrote it and it's like and that's just not

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It's not what I was looking for. It's not it's not not my sound I'm not sure if he wrote it, but he was you trying to use it as a

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Maybe in the movie. He wrote it. I'm not sure that he wrote it in real life. But anyway the idea was that He stumbled on the right sound

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Because of a fortuitous accident the guy busted his lip and he had to rewrite how and that's where the

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Glenn Miller sound came From and there was a very distinctive Glenn Miller orchestra sound

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But the whole point is that you can take moonlight serenade and you can play it like Claire de

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Lune, you can play it very slowly and and melodically and Beautifully or you can turn it into ragtime

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I Suppose somebody could turn it into a rock number. I suppose, you know You can do whatever you want.

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And that's how a lot of people view scripture. Is that I Mean it's and it fits with how people are viewing the

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Constitution today, for example It's just this whatever you feel like type of a situation and Up until recent times you you couldn't do that and say well,

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I'm honoring the the composers intentions You know in recent times you can

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You can go back to who wrote it. How did they perform it that gives you the baseline idea of what they intended? But when it comes to scripture

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We have an absolutely unique situation. We have an absolutely unique reality Because no,

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I can't ask the Apostle Paul Exactly how he would have punctuated

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Some of I mean there are exegetical Questions that exist in some of Paul's letters where the punctuation determines

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Whether you have a series of questions, whether you have a series of statements Is this an an objector that Paul's responding to is there sarcasm involved?

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There are lots of places like that. Are we left?

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Just not knowing are we left wishing that we had a recording a piano roll of handle so as to figure out some phrasing or Speed questions in the

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Messiah or whatever else it might be. Are we just don't have that ability? Do we just simply have to say well, you know, there's some things we'll just never know when it comes to scripture or Is there not?

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Because of the Extensive nature of scripture The time frame over which it is written the breadth and Scope of its address

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Is there not something very different about scripture than any of these simply humanly created works of music or art or whatever else it might be and I think once you understand

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What Peter understood when he said that men spoke from God as they were carried along by the

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Holy Spirit That allows men to be men that allows men to speak But it allows

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God to be the creator. It allows God to carry them along. It allows them to speak from God It allows you to see the kind of supernatural consistency.

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That's not the surface level The surface level simplistic type of thinking that that a lot of us have seen and become very disgusted with it's a it's a consistency at a much deeper level a much much deeper level and I think that's what we have in scripture if we maintain our highest view of scripture our highest understanding of which everything in our society today militates against our

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Continuing to have that level of confidence. It really really does That this should be something that we are aware is a spiritual battle and we should be praying daily that the

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Lord would protect us in this area because This is once you lose confidence that there is a clear revelation from God Then Christianity is just one of a million million million voices

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That can never say anything with any kind of meaningful force

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Can't offer any questions at all. I can't offer any answers to the questions at all.

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I was thinking about that in light of a

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Video that was posted yesterday By Jonathan Merritt and If you're asking why

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I even follow Jonathan Merritt, sometimes I ask myself that question as well It is one of the most frustrating experiences

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There are a couple of LGBTQ folks and I would put him in that camp

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That I follow on Twitter just Partially for research purposes and just partially to remind myself

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Each and every day that If we as Consistent Orthodox Bible -believing

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Christians Live solely in an echo chamber

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We will be so completely shocked when somebody kicks the door in on the echo chamber at the cacophony that comes in that we won't know how to respond and I Repeat to my fellow believers

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If you believe what I was saying earlier about the consistency of Scripture You're in the minority if you believe in the penal substitutionary atonement of Jesus Christ from the cross of Calvary You're in the minority if you believe in the actual physical bodily resurrection of Jesus from the dead

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You're in the minority When it comes to the world today and even what calls itself

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Christianity sadly so Be aware of the fact that you are in the minority so that when the majority comes along and slaps you upside the head

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You're not surprised. You know, I said ago. I thought we all believe that no, no didn't but anyway

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Jonathan Merritt Posted This on His Twitter feed and then he ever since then has been going crazy with all the responses to it, but let's

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Let's listen to what Jonathan Merritt posted. Good morning

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Church as We approach the last week celebrating pride May you remember that the sign over the door to God's kingdom declares?

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whosoever will may come That means whether you're rich or poor

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You're welcome here Whether you are black brown or white you are welcome here

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Whether you are male or female You're welcome here Whether you are gay or straight

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Cisgender or transgender you are welcome here Your seat at God's table is not up for discussion or debate

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It is ever and always yours You are welcome.

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You are accepted and you are held By the God who made you and loves you just as you are and not as somebody else says you should be

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Let's worship together So that sounds What you just listened to is the voice of Of what is called progressive

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Christianity It is specifically designed to attract

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The culture as it exists today You heard nothing about a cross. You heard nothing about repentance.

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You heard nothing about atonement. You heard nothing about forgiveness You heard nothing about any of these things. What you heard is you are awesome and And God's just lucky to have you as you are and it doesn't matter he has no moral law he has no revelation of His holiness that there's all that stuff from Isaiah 6 and the holiness of God You don't have to worry about any of that stuff.

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God is all about you God is all about you. That's that's what

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Jonathan Merritt is saying so With that in mind, let me let me stop and start it.

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It's only one minute So it's let me just comment on it as it as it comes across here

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Good morning church as we approach the last week celebrating pride

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Celebrating pride. I I never thought that it would be a thing for Christians to celebrate one of the seven deadly sins

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But there you go celebrating pride pride in holding and identify identifying yourself in a way that scripture identifies as Toeva an abomination before God even if you take the most

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Biblically possible perspective and say that there are Christians who are

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Put in a position by in in God's Sovereignty, they struggle with same -sex attraction as a regenerate believer

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That just as there are Christians who struggle with other aspects of sin post regenerationally

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That this is their burden to bear Those individuals if they have a repentant heart are

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Never saying to God's Word I Identify on the basis of this sin

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I identify on the basis of these attractions and you need to modify

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What worship is what inclusion is what the membership of the church is you need to modify everything in light of me?

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So the whole concept of pride is An assertion that this is a good thing.

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This is how God made me. It's a positive thing This is the exact Rejection of the attitude that comes with broken repentance

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Because from this side this sides understanding there is nothing to repent of God made me this way

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There's no there's no repentance here. There's there there can be no standards of sexual purity

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That are derived from Scripture from that old book Instead now we have pride.

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Did you just did you see the Chicago pride parades yesterday the completely non?

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socially distanced pride parades yesterday in Chicago This is our this is our society, this is the

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Sodom and Gomorrah to which we have been called to minister and Just as the men of Sodom and Gomorrah Attempted a silence lot in his family that will eventually happen with us as well

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Just so you're aware May you remember that the sign over the door to God's kingdom declares

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Whosoever will may come The sign over God's kingdom says

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Jesus Christ is Lord the sign over God's kingdom says God created all things and Therefore gets to define what all things are the creatures don't get to do that the sign over the kingdom of God When it does say whosoever will may come says must come in repentance and faith in submission to the lordship of Jesus Christ in submission to His law and what he says is good to take the text that says whosoever will may come and Take it out of its context and say well what that means is

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Whoever you are and whatever you love whatever your idols are

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You can bring those idols with you into the kingdom and the kingdom will be happy to have them

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That's what we got at Revoice That's we got the Revoice conference.

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That was that's what it was all about and So that is a horrific twisting of scripture a

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Horrific twisting of scripture. It's a false invitation That means whether you're rich or poor

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You're welcome here Whether you are black brown or white you are welcome here

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Whether you are male or female You're welcome here. I Was waiting for the rest of the categories.

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I'll be honest with you. I'm glad I got it You got to give credit where credit's due at least you didn't get at that point a

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Fundamental denial that God has the right of defining who's male and who's female But that didn't last very long

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Whether you are gay or straight Cisgender or transgender you are welcome here

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Yeah, so there you go. You put it you put the you can say the male and female But you can't sit in our society and stay consistent with it

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So here whatever this church is in New York, I think

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Here God's decree Male and female

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God's creative action. You don't have to worry about that You can walk through these doors

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Continuing in a high -handed fashion to reject God's creative decree in your life

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And you're welcome here. We will not challenge you We will not challenge you that that is what is is being so in the church

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When we speak to a transgendered person Are we saying there is no place for them in the kingdom of God?

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What we are saying is there is no place for a person who identifies who thinks that their identification is derived from such a rebellious attitude

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Such a person has not repented and therefore there is no place in the kingdom of God for the unrepentant You cannot read the

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New Testament And think there is a place for the unrepentant in the kingdom of God and Don't don't start playing the game of perfect repentance versus imperfect repentance

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Don't even start going there That that's a that's a way to try to get around the reality that faith and repentance go hand in hand so If you want to say well, you know

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What are you just simply saying that you don't even reach out these people? No, not at all. You reach out with the same message that Jesus reached out with and it was a message of his lordship

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God's sovereignty man's sin and man's responsibility of repentance toward God faith in the one that he has sent and the perfection of what he provides redemptively on the cross

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Which you'll notice it's only a one -minute video. Yeah, but you'll notice

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You're talking about the very kingdom of Christ you're talking about his church

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You're not gonna get a word about the gospel not getting a word about anything at all

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Your seat at God's table is not up for discussion What's that supposed to mean it sounds like what he's saying is

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Don't let anyone Tell you about the actual message of the gospel

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That calls you to repentance and faith submission to the will of God in your life that calls you to the mortification of sin that calls you to To a to submission to God as your creator the one who made you male and female don't listen to any of that It's all yours

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It's all yours, I mean, how do you differentiate any of this from just a rank universalism

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I I don't I don't know how don't know how you would or debate it is ever and always yours

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You are welcome. You are accepted and you are held By the

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God who made you and loves you just as you are. There you go. Not as some

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Who loves you just as you are? This is this is a fundamental clear

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Unquestionable rejection of the centrality of repentance of the necessity of regeneration of the necessity of having a new heart

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Does theology matter I can guarantee you Jonathan Merritt detests the reformed

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Doctrine of God's sovereignty and the reformed understanding of man's nature. I can guarantee you he detests it

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He has said so but here it's clear dead in sin

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Rebel sinner Suppressing the knowledge of God. No, no, no

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You're fine. Just as you are You you you might be a a transgendered homosexual

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But that's cool. No worries. Come on in There'll be nothing will be said to you whatsoever

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About God's righteous law and about who you really are and no, no, no, no

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No, don't no. No, that's that that What you win them with is what you win them to What you win them with is what you win them to and That means you don't you don't have to put up artificial barriers

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Like a lot of people do You don't have to put up artificial barriers

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But you have to be consistent the The approach that you have at the beginning

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Can't be something that you're apologizing for five steps down the road I think it's where a lot of people really just don't know how to get the conversation started.

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It can't be here Because if you once you accept this this type of promotion

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You can never speak of the holiness of God. You can never speak of his law You can never speak of our duties as creatures before God Because you got them through the door with the promise that whatever we do we will never challenge your sovereignty

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You are the most important thing in the world and even God thinks that The fact is you are dust

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You flourish for a little while and then you fade away and you are dust

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God's the only one that doesn't change Sorry But that seems to be what people want they want we live in such an infantile society today

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Childish thinking is the norm now so you can't ever offend a child and The child has to always be the most important person in the room all attention must be on that child

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We've all seen it We've all seen it we've all seen how this works

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But now it's all adults that are doing the same thing. That's what you've got here.

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But he out says you should be Let's worship together. Let's worship who let's worship whom?

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What what what does worship require the scripture says that without holiness you'll never see

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God worship of God requires acceptance of who he is a knowledge of his own self -revelation

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You invite people in like this and they're simply gonna be worshiping themselves. They've got an idol They bring their idol with them and they worship that idol.

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That's not Christian worship That's not Christian worship, so you know, you've got the the cool black and white thing going on, you know, and Well he

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Obviously got a lot of pushback from that Thankfully, I'm glad he he got a lot of pushback from that as as he should have.

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I mean, he will not engage me I'm pretty certain he sees what I have to say.

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He hasn't he hasn't blocked me He says he uses the mute button a lot, which that's fine

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But I've seen him respond to stuff. So I think he sees it, but he won't He has no interest whatsoever in in taking me on at all but here's a

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Here's a tweet from this morning and he says I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God's love neither death nor life

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Neither angels nor demons and the fears nor for today nor worries about tomorrow Not even fundamentalists on Twitter can separate us from God's love the

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Bible. Happy pride. You're loved To which I responded notice how apostasy twists

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Scripture Glorious text Romans 8 speaks of the law court of heaven the glory of atonement and justification

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But JM's version has removed these troubling aspects so that love of self and sin can remain

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I don't tend to be overly flowery in my rebuttals of An apostate because that's what he is

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Now, you know, I don't know a whole lot about his life. I know that his daddy was president Southern Baptist Convention at one point so my assumption is

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Probably baptized 2 .74 times because that's the average number I last saw for a

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Southern Baptist So you get baptized little kid you get baptized a teenager and you get baptized as an adult

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Maybe the adult one is the third one that maybe maybe not we'll see that's where it's 2 .75 instead of full three

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But his leftward trajectory has been very obvious for a very lengthy period of time and When someone who was raised within a very conservative

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Southern Baptist Context When they had left they they tend to leave scorched earth behind them so you may have seen articles recently that he wrote where he just ripped into His Southern Baptist heritage very very personally

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Going after people that that he knows and that He is basically just trying to hurt is is basically what what you've got going on there

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So trying to bring up I thought I had I thought I had one other of his

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Yes, yes here it is I know it's wonder why I did it that way Wanted to show this one to Ravon Tarsa had so I guess he's at Good Shepherd, New York and Ravon Tarsa had said sexuality does not define identity and His response you define yourself in your bio as wife and mom

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Why is it only okay for straight people to embrace the pieces of their identities that derive from relationship and marriage?

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Your golden rule is tarnishing so It seems to me that he's really becoming more of an apologist for homosexuality all the time

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I I'm not sure if his book has come out a book has been expected where he was gonna probably just announce it

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He is a homosexual. That's what everyone's been saying for decade at least But Notice you define yourself in bio as wife and mom

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I did respond to this I guess I didn't keep the response, but I responded to this. I said that's because God defines what wives and moms are it's a part of his creative decree and He says those things are good

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He established marriage between a man and a woman and nobody was confused by what Jesus said

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When he said a man a woman the question is why is Jonathan Merritt confused? About Jesus what

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Jesus said when he said man and woman as he did in Matthew chapter 19, but I'll admit

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I've never fully comprehended why apostates

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Maintain religiosity I've never understood that I I much rather I understand these guys

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That over the past number years, you know, there's been these famous apostasies people leave in the faith and they were singers or whatever and then fairly quickly, it's just way off into Again, the the gay pride marching thing.

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That's how you show you're I'm with the world. I hate Christianity is I'm gonna I'm gonna promote what

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I know is completely opposite to what I used to believe and so I can understand when someone just throws it all away and says forget it enough

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But I I've never fully understood why people try to hold on to some level religiosity But they do and they will use you know, your golden rule is tarnishing.

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No, it's not No, it's not at least not for anybody who thinks as As adults are supposed to think in categories, but I realize that is

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That may be identified by the Supreme Court very soon as something we cannot ever do again

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It's it's getting it's getting bad and ugly out there folks it really does really is Let me just mention this one since it's there

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You heard yesterday vote 5 to 4 Chief Justice John G Roberts jr. Voting with the courts for member

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I'm gonna use the term leftist wing But not adopting his reasoning the Chief Justice said respect for precedent compelled him to vote with the majority.

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This was the Louisiana abortion thing where Shockingly shockingly.

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It was just such a terrible law It said that if you're going to murder babies in the womb that you have to have admitting privileges in a hospital because sometimes that goes really really wrong and So you need to be able to get a woman into a hospital

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Lest she die. Oh We can't have that. No, that's a restriction on abortion and I don't know about any of the rest of you but most of the most damaging

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Jurists on the Supreme Court Were those that were put there by Republicans thinking there was something other than what they really are

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I know I'm well aware of that John G Roberts People assumed

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Some kind of conservative voice and clearly not clearly not

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So everybody was running around going man. We're gonna be able to get rid of Roe v. Wade In a in the wrong way of doing things.

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Well, no, no, you're not Sorry even with four more years Which would be four years of what we've been seeing over the past few weeks.

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I Think that's probably what's gonna end up determining it. Honestly, but even four more years

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You're still gonna end up with with that Okay, um real quickly here

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I Don't know if I can't zoom into that.

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Oh, yes, I can. All right So, can you? We don't what was this about?

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I can't oh That's that didn't do much

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But nobody can see that I don't know where this meme came from, but I'm going yay and Rich is going yay

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And it looks like we just scored something But none of us remembers what it was

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And And this is recent this is within the past couple months and So reformed

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James White memes for 16 a 19s was putting up a caption contest and I guess little Ellie may

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Put this one up when the audience finally understands your explanation of CB GM Thank you very much

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Actually, there was a paper just recently released critiquing CB GM that I really See that I won one too what

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I won one of those two. Oh Yeah, I didn't remember what yours was. Oh, oh you should oh my goodness a new taco time.

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Oh, that's right new taco time That's right. So there are three winners. Okay. All right. Yeah, okay All right

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Okay, I Don't know if any of you saw this I'm not playing the video And if I was an intelligent person,

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I would not even talk about this, but I'm Since nobody else wants to talk about it.

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And since a number of my black brothers have talked about it I'll talk about it, too.

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I don't know if you saw this video, but The video starts which makes me wonder about it with this guy coming up behind this

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Manager or employee or something at a department store the story that's now been told is that the black man asked about the size of a jacket or something and I walked off and the employee who's masked there on the ground

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Got on his phone and according to The black guy

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Said it wasn't anybody just some n -word Now what's amazing is if you listen to the video and you listen to the audio

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The black guy is screaming the n -word at the white guy while he's beaten on him but he comes up behind him the guy's leaning up against like a clothes rack type thing and he's on his phone and He sucker punches him from the back

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So he's on the ground before he doesn't even you get hit like that You have no earthy idea what in the world is going on or why or anything else?

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So I'm looking at this. This is a freeze frame Well, the first things that I heard was that the guy who was beaten

01:00:18

Was trying to decide as to whether he was going to file charges. Now if you've watched this

01:00:27

Then you know This guy walked up behind him Sucker punches him and then continues to just simply wail on him and he's trying to decide

01:00:41

Whether he wants to file charges You know why he's trying to decide who wants to file charges

01:00:47

Because right now in our society There is tremendous racial inequity and And it's going the opposite way of what's being said he's being told he's guilty

01:01:03

He has white guilt He's the bad guy He's the evil one

01:01:10

Stand there on his cell phone. How dare you be staying on your cell phone? And of course he denies he ever said any of those things the guy he was talking to on the phone

01:01:20

Says he'd never say anything like that Etc, etc And so he's actually and so I guess he has now decided to go ahead

01:01:32

Because I got this from a story on discern that that Felony assault charges are pending against this guy

01:01:44

For for what he did, you know anything else off the picture

01:01:52

The man's pants are around his thighs and you remember

01:01:59

How the world came unglued three or four years ago When I posted a picture a video of a young black boy

01:02:09

Walking across the street with his pants around his thighs flipping off the cops

01:02:15

How dare you you racist you horrible person

01:02:22

That's what kids like that grow up to be like He still got his pants around his thighs now

01:02:28

Let me just stop and say something and I am not going to apologize this I do not respect that. I Will never respect that It is

01:02:38

Disrespectful to everyone around you to moon them. You may think you've got the sexiest booty in the world.

01:02:45

I don't care It is abject Disrespect for everyone around you to do that and The fact that it's accepted within a group does not make it any less disrespectful

01:03:06

So that is that it I don't even know how anybody argues that How does anyone argue that and yet if you dare say it?

01:03:16

Oh, you're a racist I've just decided if the first thing out of your mouth is you're a racist

01:03:22

I just recognize you are not yet adult enough to have a meaningful conversation You're just not you are not thinking

01:03:33

Reasonably, you're not using your your brain You're just not and the violence that this man shows that he engages in that we have been watching.

01:03:43

It's been all over the place Did you see that the video from New York City?

01:03:51

Did you see that video of New York City where there are? black kids Running around shooting at each other with guns and Here comes a cop car and it just rolls on through because they've been told stand down Yeah, you turn tomorrow and then and then the the one from Minneapolis outside of a bar night for last is

01:04:24

And People are in their cars going. Oh my goodness. What do we do? but they're just And there's there's they've they've gotten rid of their cops

01:04:36

And I have to admit how would you like to be a social worker in Minneapolis right now

01:04:44

That just had your job description completely changed To where you get called you get the 9 -1 -1 calls now

01:04:51

Did you see the meme now that's out with the two cops standing next to the tree and they're both kind of laughing and the

01:04:57

Caption at the bottom is two cops watching a 280 pound insane naked guy trying to be talked out by a social worker

01:05:04

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah It's that's That's that's what we're looking at.

01:05:09

That's what we're looking at But I'm gonna tell you I'm just telling you right here right now.

01:05:17

I can't tell you how many times I have heard black brothers. Did you see that a pastor in Houston, oh man

01:05:26

There are a lot of sound -minded black pastors black leaders black men who have been faithful to their wives and raise their children and What do they say pull your pants up They say it.

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I Can't say it, but I have and I don't care Pull your pants up.

01:05:53

They know it's connected to everything else. It's not just as well. It's just one thing This is a style thing.

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No, it's not It's a part of an entire worldview of abject disrespect toward everybody

01:06:07

Including their parents the people in their communities and they're gonna beat the snot out of people

01:06:16

How obvious does it have to be? It's so clear But you can't talk about anything, oh you can't no, no, we can't we can't talk about that.

01:06:31

All right What time is it? Oh, I've already gone past now. That's fine one last thing oh

01:06:39

Wait, there's more. Yes, I know So I never did get this fella on And I'm gonna try to I'm gonna try to find

01:06:58

This real quick, I apologize I was we talked about doing it we talked about having the

01:07:07

Protestant guy on and It just it just never happened, I don't know why it just it just didn't let me see if it's in my history here

01:07:19

I Don't know why my history doesn't

01:07:24

Transfer over very well, or maybe I may not have watched it on here. Yeah, I probably took it

01:07:33

Seven things Seven things

01:07:41

Catholic exorcists want you to know no No, it's not what

01:07:47

I was looking for seven Catholic things There you go.

01:07:52

That's why it's not coming up seven Catholic things

01:07:59

There it is some capturing Christianity streamed one day ago So this is remember

01:08:08

I forget how long ago it was Sorry so this is

01:08:17

Matt frad is the Catholic Talking to the fellow from capturing

01:08:25

Christianity and Like I said, we've never gotten around to actually having

01:08:33

Either these guys on we need to we need to do that, but it was sent to me. And so I grabbed it and I just want to respond it today

01:08:43

Just one thing that the first thing they talked about. This is sort of a ecumenical

01:08:52

Is she squishy thing to be proven with him and one of the

01:08:58

Comments I was gonna make about the original and I may have made now I think about about the original

01:09:04

Dialogue was that the Roman Catholic representative? Seems to really want to Place his statements in In such a part of the spectrum as to minimize differences

01:09:26

While not just becoming completely ishy -squishy Hindus style ecumenism, we're all just Worshiping Vishnu or something.

01:09:35

But in other words, he's trying to minimize some of the sharp edges

01:09:41

That would have been I think more clearly seen back in my day When I first started engaging

01:09:48

Catholic answers in 1990 In in debate, so it is interesting to look back over 30 years ago at the debates that I was having with Jerry Matta ticks and Patrick Madrid and and Trying to have with Scott Hahn, but never did

01:10:08

Robertson Janice and others Jimmy Akin and Tim Staples and the whole crew

01:10:15

Three decades ago and Then listen to what is how it's handled now.

01:10:22

It's it's a little different To say the least and it does make me wonder

01:10:29

How those debates would have been different in the age of the

01:10:35

Internet? Because realize I'm not even sure I had a pager when

01:10:40

I did the first page let alone a cell phone or You know

01:10:46

YouTube changes a lot and it's gonna be interesting when we don't have access to YouTube anymore

01:10:54

You know some platforms will help us to have something for a while but It's it's there's gonna be even more changes coming in in the future.

01:11:05

No toys about it. But anyway, it does make me wonder How things would have been different?

01:11:12

What? What would have been brought up that wasn't brought up and What would not be brought up today that was brought up then that's

01:11:22

Especially with the Pope right now That that's the big thing in dealing with Roman Catholic apologetics right now is what do you do with your

01:11:29

Pope? That's that's really really interesting, but okay, so let's just the first thing they talked about was making the sign of the cross

01:11:40

And Again, the the fundamentalist says this is just you know, this is just terrible horrible.

01:11:47

I don't think it's any big deal. It's Obviously for people who who have been raised in it

01:11:55

To where it was something that they did that never had a true connection to the gospel

01:12:02

I cannot tell you how many times I have talked to New believers who came out of Roman Catholicism and They said the same thing to me over and over again.

01:12:14

I never heard the gospel. I Never heard about how to have peace with God I never heard

01:12:22

I Just it just wasn't there It was about what we do and it was about doing the religious symbols and it was

01:12:30

I can understand for someone like that that Crossing yourself just as a reminder of something that's dead and empty

01:12:40

I get that I Have to be careful though in a pastoral sense

01:12:47

Because there are people who were raised in sound churches But were never converted to where true

01:12:59

Gospel behavior to them is reprehensible Because they did it but they didn't have the heart of the matter so Some people might say well, you know, you should be willing to get rid of those things to try to minister those no, no you have to look at the heart and on The issue of crossing yourself.

01:13:24

It's it's not a hill to die on it's Not A big thing the second point though Important that's why

01:13:34

I wanted to interact with it when we had time on the program today. So let's let's listen to what Oh Wait a minute.

01:13:39

I'm sorry let's listen to what the The second point of discussion was the second thing.

01:13:46

I think Protestants shouldn't be afraid of doing obviously Catholics have a big Devotion to the

01:13:52

Blessed Virgin Mary obviously Catholics believe things about Mary that Protestants don't That she was immaculately conceived that she was a perpetual virgin that she's the mother of God that she ascended into Assumed and that she was assumed into heaven.

01:14:04

Yeah ascended Oops, yeah, I guess because that that that's the whole point

01:14:11

Well, the bodily assumption is a direct parallel to the ascension of Jesus and that's that's one of its bits And of course totally unknown the early church.

01:14:17

So that's that's not go there for the moment I Just realized that guy's wearing a

01:14:22

Bob Ross t -shirt Bob Ross shirt. That's interesting. You can see it on his shoulder there anyhow

01:14:29

Yeah, I see it see Bob Ross over there. You thought that was a pretty thought that was a happy little tree It's not a happy little tree.

01:14:35

It's it's Bob Ross So he's wearing a Bob Ross. There's a number of Bob Ross's hiding there.

01:14:40

So that's that's interesting Anyway, but did you catch what was said that that that we don't believe that Mary is

01:14:48

Theotokos well, he may Honestly think that's the case and if that's if that's so then he just doesn't know a lot about Orthodox non -roman

01:15:02

Catholic beliefs I Have met many a Protestant Who would have given him that that understanding who would have said?

01:15:10

Oh, I don't believe that Mary's mother of God and This is where again church history and a meaningful grasp of theology is extremely important This is especially true when looking at what

01:15:23

Rome teaches as dogma not as merely doctrine Not as something.

01:15:29

Oh, we wish you believe this read the decrees Pronouncing the immaculate conception and the bodily assumption

01:15:40

You're you're talking less than 200 years for for both of them. So they are very recent read the decrees

01:15:46

The decrees do not say we think it'd be better if you believe this the decrees

01:15:52

Anathematized put under the curse of God anyone who would even think to disagree with the dogma that has been revealed by the

01:16:02

Holy Roman Church and The reality is that the term

01:16:11

Theotokos Was a Christological term when it first appears in history

01:16:19

That is the focus was upon Who was Jesus? When Jesus was born of the

01:16:26

Virgin Mary Was he Theotokos or only

01:16:32

Christotokos now I've mentioned a number of times before there's a great deal of argumentation amongst church historians

01:16:46

About one of the primary individuals involved in this controversy fell by the name of Nestorius A lot of modern historians would say that Nestorius probably was not an historian

01:16:57

In the later definition of Nestorian that was developed over time But just to simplify it as much as possible

01:17:09

Theotokos, which is translated mother of God But literally means God -bearer is simply the assertion that Jesus was truly

01:17:16

God at the time of his birth. He is not adopted At a point later in time adoptionism and early heresy of the church and it's also a means of affirming what's called the hypostatic union and I just realized

01:17:31

I forgot to grab that I I'll see if I can find it real quickly when we're done with this but the the hypostatic union the fact that in the one person of Christ you have two natures and those two natures are united but not intermixed

01:17:49

So you don't have Eutychianism Where you take out a part of one nature replace it with the other you don't have

01:17:56

Nestorianism where they're torn apart And I'm sorry Apollinarianism and you know

01:18:03

This was the Apollinarian Nestorian and then Eutychianism mixture of The two where you have 50 % man 50 %

01:18:12

God you have a demigod demiman however you want to describe the hypostatic union Balancing the divine truths we find in Scripture Calling Mary Theotokos Guards this

01:18:28

It's not about Mary. It doesn't exalt Mary doesn't make Mary some intercessor that all comes later that and and I fully understand why a

01:18:40

Former Roman Catholic Now a believer in Jesus Christ and trusting in his grace

01:18:47

Doesn't want to use that terminology Because it's just constant within Rome Mary referred to as the mother of God as the object of prayer as the object of hyperdulia

01:19:02

Now they're gonna bring this up and the Protestant guy doesn't push back but The whole distinction made within Roman Catholicism we don't worship

01:19:14

Mary We give her hyperdulia How many people have any idea what in the world that's supposed to mean

01:19:25

The reality is go back and nothing has changed in the past 30 years when

01:19:30

I've done debates on the subject of Mary the issue of Dulia and Latria has been rather fully discussed

01:19:37

In fact, it was fully discussed by John Calvin at the time of the Reformation and has been pretty much every generation since then

01:19:44

I've been to our generation where no one really things seems to care about anymore But the

01:19:50

Distinction that Rome uses in saying we're not worshiping Mary because we're not giving her Latria.

01:19:55

We're giving her hyperdulia Oh It's available on Kindle And and it's also available in PC study

01:20:16

Bible. I Think PC. I'm not sure if that's even still around the PC study. I thought PC study

01:20:21

Bible had this at one point I don't remember anyway My little book

01:20:26

Mary another Redeemer 1999 I think it was Yeah, 98 actually

01:20:33

Oh Dedicated to Rick Walson. Look at that 1998 there are so many things that I could read here

01:20:46

But I I guess I'll just reread the the beginning because I've told the story many times for a

01:20:55

Small booklet tucked in the fold of a chair in the corner caught my eye It was sticking out just enough or I may not have even seen it intrigued

01:21:01

I pulled it out the blue and white cover bore the title devotions in honor of our mother of perpetual health

01:21:07

I scanned through a few of the prayers in one of them. I spotted the words my eternal salvation So I backed up and started from the beginning now, by the way this

01:21:15

I didn't tell the background I was a hospital chaplain. I walk into the chap the little chapel that we had and I saw this book stuck into the into one of the chairs in the chapel and that's why

01:21:28

I still got it today I could go into the room and get it. I know where it is and So I backed up and started from the beginning.

01:21:35

Here's what it said Oh mother of perpetual help thou art the dispenser of all the goods which God grants to us miserable sinners And for this reason he has made thee so powerful so rich and so bountiful thou mayest help us in our misery

01:21:45

Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee come then to my help dearest mother for I recommend

01:21:51

Myself to thee in thy hands. I place my eternal salvation and to thee do I entrust my soul

01:21:57

Count me among thy most devoted servants Take me under thy protection and it is enough for me for if thou protect me dear mother

01:22:04

I fear nothing Not for my sins because that will obtain for me the pardon of them Nor from the devil's because thou art more powerful than all hell together nor even from Jesus my judge himself

01:22:14

Because by one prayer from thee he will be appeased But one thing I fear that in the hour of temptation

01:22:19

I may neglect to call on thee and thus perish miserably Obtained for me then the pardon of my sins love for Jesus final perseverance and the grace always to have recourse to thee

01:22:28

Oh mother of perpetual help. Let me just continue reading this at first I could not believe what

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I just read so I ran back to the last few lines Was this prayer really saying that the petitioner did not fear his or her sins the devil's nor Jesus?

01:22:45

That's what it said. I shook my head in disbelief a Few years later. I found myself on a radio station in Boston, Massachusetts Doing a radio discussion with a former

01:22:54

Protestant turned Roman Catholic named Jerry Maddox. The topic was Mary and the Saints. Mr Maddox and I were scheduled to do two public debates at Boston College over the course of the next week

01:23:03

Which of course we did But that day we were live on the air taking calls on the subject of prayers to Mary and the

01:23:09

Saints as I packed up For the trip. I found a little blue and white booklet and decided to bring it along Now I reached into my bag and brought it out.

01:23:16

Surely quoting this prayer would bring a strong reaction from mr. Maddox Surely he denies such a prayer is proper and at the people who had written it were simply going overboard in their piety the talk -show hosts gasped

01:23:28

Involuntarily as I read the final lines and as I put down the book it book booklet I looked across it to my opponent waiting for the expected reaction.

01:23:37

The host likewise turned to mr. Maddox He was quiet for a moment and then he spoke mr.

01:23:43

White. He began I can only hope that someday you too will pray that prayer. I think it's on sermon audio, isn't it?

01:23:52

Are you looking so it's you're thinking? PC study Bible. No. Oh, no.

01:23:58

No, I'm sorry the the thing with Jerry on W EZE Oh, I I don't know that we ever got it.

01:24:04

Oh we did How could I have quoted it? We did. Yeah, it might be. Yeah But PC study

01:24:11

Bible, by the way, apparently has become Bible soft Oh and Bible soft has six of your titles including that one.

01:24:18

Oh, cool. So, all right. Well need to know that Hadn't gotten a communication about that, but that's cool

01:24:24

Bible soft. All right, so has Mary another Redeemer and it is on Kindle I think Yes.

01:24:29

Okay. All right. So, all right, so the

01:24:37

Claim that Mary is not worshipped. I don't have it in here right now.

01:24:43

At least I don't think I do No All I all I ask you to do

01:24:50

Go pick up a copy of a book called the glories of Mary The glories of Mary It's by a doctor of the church.

01:25:01

I quoted how many if you get this, it's

01:25:07

Page it starts in Chapter 7 is a discussion of the issue of Latria, Dullia All the rest of that stuff and then

01:25:20

I start quoting from st. Alphonsus Liguori Liguori's the glories of Mary Liguori was designated a doctor of the church a title given to those who provided a special type of guidance to the church and have

01:25:36

Shown special insight into God's truth. His book has gone through 800 editions in many languages that was 20 years ago.

01:25:44

I don't know how many it's now Obviously this book contains radical teachings a church would have an obligation

01:25:51

Not only to avoid canonizing him as a saint and calling the doctor of the church But to warn the faithful again about the dangers lurking within his writings

01:25:58

Obviously, no such warning will be found In fact, it becomes clear as we read the following material that this kind of piety is in reality the source of the later dogmatic definitions concerning Mary and it is it is so Not only is there no meaningful distinction between Latria and Dullia Biblically speaking

01:26:20

Latria and Dullia are Latin terms, but they are derived from biblical categories

01:26:25

The the Hebrew term Ahav can be translated as both worship or serve So Dullia is normally service

01:26:33

Latria is worship But the two concepts are Deeply related and I just again refer you to what

01:26:42

Calvin said On that particular issue. He did an excellent job. So this issue of Mary Most Protestants have no earthly idea

01:26:53

What Roman Catholicism officially teaches about Mary? What Roman Catholicism teaches about Mary is

01:27:03

Dangerous You don't have to believe those things in order to begin to contemplate her greatness

01:27:11

Right, and I think sometimes there might be a fear on the part of Protestants that if I start talking about Mary with any sort of Kind of degree of wonder that then maybe this will sound too

01:27:23

Catholic And so I want to avoid doing that because I don't want to be accused of sounding Catholic But I think one thing that Protestants can do is they can call

01:27:31

Mary blessed Mary because in Luke chapter 1 verse 48 Mary says all

01:27:36

Generations will call me blessed and since you dear viewer are part of a generation that is encompassed by the all generations you could call her blessed and You shouldn't be afraid to think about The wonder that is

01:27:52

Mary st. Augustine, you know in the 400s Said He whom talking about Christ.

01:28:00

I'm sure this came from the Manicheans You know just bring in some other Some other theories while we're at it.

01:28:07

Second person of the Blessed Trinity he whom the heavens cannot contain in Fact that's what

01:28:13

Solomon said, you know, who am I to build a temple when even the highest heavens cannot contain him? So Augustine says he whom the heavens cannot contain the womb of one woman bore

01:28:23

She ruled our ruler She gave milk to our bread.

01:28:28

She carried him in whom we are So just to reflect on the fact that there was a

01:28:34

Jewish woman who breastfed God Who gave flesh to God because this is something

01:28:40

God chose That's a really powerful thing and something worth contemplating on even if you're not ready to accept

01:28:46

What else the Catholic Church teaches about Mary now remember? But the Catholic Church does not give you the freedom to continue disbelieving these things

01:28:55

Okay, this sounds like it's because see Augustine and many other early writers

01:29:00

Wrote about the wonder of the Incarnation and the wonder of the Incarnation is tremendous

01:29:06

But the one of the Incarnation is focused upon who Jesus was Not with the result that you would turn to Mary to save your soul at your death okay,

01:29:17

I mean I Don't want I do want to find the

01:29:30

Discussion of Mary as a hope but but Mary is described by Liguri and And Popes have have quoted from Liguri repeatedly since he wrote

01:29:41

John Paul the second was John Paul the second's personal papal motto was totus tuum totally yours

01:29:49

Address to Mary not to God so When Mary is described as the head.

01:29:59

I'm sorry as the neck that turns the head of God So that all grace flows through her as the neck

01:30:08

From the head through the neck out to others all grace those flows through Mary There's many more we've done programs in the past if I just started reading we'd be here at the rest of the afternoon

01:30:22

I don't want to do that, but This idea that you know Just just what he's trying to do is just you just start thinking about this and see the idea the idea for the

01:30:31

Roman Catholic Apologist is I'm proud. He's probably talking to people who are very low church

01:30:38

They don't have any meaningful appreciation of the supper May only be

01:30:45

May only be celebrated once a quarter in their churches Don't really have any appreciation of baptism don't have any knowledge of The Additions that Rome has made to the sacraments

01:31:03

Aside from what Jesus actually gave to his church have added and expanded these things and most

01:31:08

Protestants today have no meaningful knowledge whatsoever Roman Catholic soteriology

01:31:15

What the meaning of altar Christos means what what confession to a priest means what allegedly happens in?

01:31:23

Transubstantiation and the mass as a propitiatory, but non bloody Sacrifice of Jesus a representation of the one sacrifice of Christ, etc

01:31:33

This is just not stuff that's preached on any longer defined in any meaningful fashion now those of us who go to confessional churches

01:31:39

We should know about this kind of stuff because our confessions are written in such a fashion

01:31:45

That we deny these things if you if you're a reformed Baptist and you read the chapter on the

01:31:51

Lord's Supper You can't help but learn something about what Rome teaches in its denials of what

01:31:59

Rome teaches over against the truth of what scripture teaches So it seems to me

01:32:05

That our Roman Catholic friend here is just trying to say, you know stick your toes on in it's just fine because no one knows

01:32:13

There's alligators down. They're just gonna chomp the suckers right off once you dive in With everything else that Rome demands that you actually believe based upon her dogmatic teaching that she and she alone has the authority to interpret scripture because scripture is a subset of sacred tradition and She is the infallible

01:32:33

Church has that authority now, that's a real tough argument to make right now With the

01:32:39

Pope that you currently have It's a real tough argument, but that's the argument has been made for a long long time

01:32:45

And that's still the Roman Catholic argument. It just has to be nuanced big -time right now with with Frankie the the dude

01:32:54

Yeah, so I on the subject of Mary I think you're right that Protestants and Catholics have a lot of different views on this

01:33:01

There's there's a lot of things that Protestants don't necessarily Commit themselves to by being a

01:33:07

Protestant but with when it comes to calling Mary blessed, I think that that is

01:33:13

Appropriate. I think that you can do that. It's even as you said, it's mentioned in Luke 148. So a

01:33:18

Protestant just remember Rome has taken every single verse about Mary that can even be stretched to be made to apply to Mary and built entire

01:33:30

Skyscrapers of dogmatic theology upon verses that never intended to communicate anything that so Mary is blessed

01:33:39

But Rome has taken that blessed and made her immaculately conceived and sinless both before Her birth as well as throughout her life

01:33:54

So she then can be bodily assumed in heaven and act as a co -mediatrix and co -redemptrix

01:34:00

Yeah, I know those weren't dogmatized yet But they have been taught as doctrine not as dogma doctrine is a lower level hasn't come up to here yet but that fifth

01:34:11

Marian dog dogma Millions of Roman Catholics believe it Popes have taught it for over 150 years

01:34:19

That she's co -mediatrix co -redemptrix with Jesus Christ So The idea is we'll just go ahead and start talking about Mary as blessed

01:34:28

Mary. There's so there's a there's a freight train Waiting on the other side of that door a freight train and It's coming at you.

01:34:38

That's that's the whole issue. I can absolutely do that I think that we just have to be careful to attribute properties to her that you believe she has

01:34:47

So if you're a Protestant and you believe that she was what's the term that she had virginity

01:34:52

Yeah, perpetual virgin perpetual virginity if you think she had that property then there's no

01:34:58

Nothing wrong with saying she had this property. She had perpetual virginity if you believe that So to me which is a dogma that anathematizes you and separates you from the one true church if you reject it

01:35:10

Just just so that we I know this dogma thing isn't really popular amongst a lot of people today

01:35:16

But you can't read Roman Catholic history and not recognize. That's exactly what has been taught with clarity

01:35:23

With clarity and realize the perpetual virginity of Mary is a fundamental denial of the

01:35:29

Incarnation You go how? Jesus didn't just beam out of Mary Look look back we had a discussion of this when

01:35:38

I read the proteo evangelium of James I mean we did story time with uncle Jimmy for a while I read the whole proteo evangelium of James and that's where this came from the concept of perpetual virginity

01:35:47

Mary came from Gnosticism It came from heretical sources does not come from Scripture does not come from the

01:35:54

Apostles, but it's now been made dogma That's what happens when you deny solo scripture. I that that's that's the whole issue right there is

01:36:04

That Mary maintained her virginal her physical virginal reality

01:36:09

Even through the birth of Jesus that means Jesus beamed out You can't have a baby and have virginal

01:36:18

Have everything intact not possible not physically possible. So a miracle took place and Jesus beams out

01:36:25

So much. I mean that fits with the Gnosticism because Jesus doesn't have a physical body in the first place

01:36:30

Gnosticism, that's fine. But that's where it came from Honest historians recognize that's where it came from and Yeah, it's a dogma.

01:36:40

Why do you believe it's dogma cuz Rome says so cuz Rome sola ecclesia the ultimate authority of the church denial of sola scriptura

01:36:48

Yeah, I I think it really just comes down to like what do you think is true about Mary?

01:36:54

And then you can say that that's true about Mary and like what's controversial about that. I don't really see. Yeah Really trying to make these as non controversial as possible

01:37:05

Ah Just just read the actual papal pronouncements

01:37:15

Read them Read the anathemas attached to them from the Pope It's it's just like I just try and make these

01:37:28

Okay Sorry, you know If you believe nothing about Mary you do yeah, if you don't think she's blessed

01:37:35

Yeah, if you don't if you like let's say you don't think she was a man You think she was a big sinner, which I don't if you think that she you know

01:37:42

Wasn't assumed into heaven if you don't think she's perpetually a virgin What even if you disagree with everything the church teaches the

01:37:47

Catholic Church teachers? You do believe that the second person of the Blessed Trinity took flesh in her womb

01:37:52

So if somebody were to say historians have discovered the very place where Christ became incarnate

01:38:00

Well, we already know what that is. It's the womb of the Theotokos It's the womb of Mary and that's really cool

01:38:06

And so do and and I think I think it's okay to to recognize that to be like That is a fundamental

01:38:13

Christian belief. That is not basis for anything I just read to you that is not a basis to deny the plain biblical teaching and Go watch the videos of debate

01:38:24

Jerry Matic's on this multiple times Robert St. Janice a number of other people on the fact that the

01:38:30

Bible teaches Jesus had brothers and sisters They were not just creepy cousins that were just traveled around with his mom

01:38:37

Which is one of the theories that people have come up with the reality is That Rome has taken the this area and has built entire mountains of theology on passages that never ever ever the the angels greeting

01:38:54

Blessed are you Blessed are you amongst women? Oh That blessed means this and this means this and we can build that into that and everything else it becomes what you read in the glories of Mary and It started by denial of Solus Krypter Yeah, Mary was in a very unique position that no one else was in Yeah, no one else will probably ever be in again

01:39:21

And it's oh, yeah, the Incarnation is a pretty unique event, but the biblical emphasis upon the

01:39:26

Incarnation is never upon the passive instrument But upon the one who entered into flesh it'll recognize that and I think sometimes that I totally

01:39:35

I think not totally but I do understand the hesitation Protestants have when they look at Catholics and I've got these candles lit before Mary and it looks to them what they would consider worship

01:39:45

And I don't it's so afraid that we are. Yeah idolatry that we're worshiping Mary But Catholics don't worship

01:39:52

Mary Catholic Church has never taught that Mary is divine. Mary is a human being. She is less than an atom

01:39:58

She's nothing compared to he who is you know, all of her virtue she receives from God So God had no need of Mary nor does he now?

01:40:10

But he chose to have need of her in a sort of relative sense, which is pretty pretty remarkable. So just so so again,

01:40:16

I I could make that sound really silly just by just starting to read

01:40:25

Okay, just um just happen to open up I'll just read one section just just popped open the book and let's just and Then he adds that when the mother goes to seek a favor for us from Jesus Christ whom the

01:40:39

Saint calls the golden altar of Mercy at which sinners obtain pardon her son esteems her prayers

01:40:44

So greatly and is so desirous to satisfy her that when she prays it seems as if she rather Commanded than prayed and was rather a queen than a handmaid at the command of Mary all obey even

01:40:57

God Saint Bernadine fears not to utter this sentence meaning indeed to say that God grants the prayers of Mary as if they were commands

01:41:05

Yes, Mary is omnipotent Repeats Richard of st Lawrence for the

01:41:11

Queen by every law enjoys the same privileges as the King and as he adds the power of the

01:41:17

Son and that of the mother is the same a Mother is made omnipotent by an omnipotent

01:41:23

Son and thus says st. Antonina and Antoninus God has placed the whole church not only under the patronage but even under the dominion of Mary doctor of the church 800 editions st.

01:41:41

This guy is not a doctor of anything Who do you believe Who has influenced the very development of dogma itself?

01:41:51

Why did why did now st. John Paul? Believe That Mary was co -redemptrix use that very terminology himself

01:42:03

It comes from this very Same stuff very same stuff. All right, I've gone long.

01:42:09

I'm sorry I I apologize but I something tells me there's a whole lot more in this so I'm gonna be taking a look at it and I know we've got to finish up the

01:42:17

Wilson stuff and and And stuff like that. I started burned out on it for a while. Be honest with you everything

01:42:24

Could do the two together Okay, I'm really confused now Yeah, I'm sure we could find something

01:42:35

And accuse everybody of it why not but look the reality is that there has been so much going on and there continues to be so much going on right now in our world that requires some level of of commentary

01:42:55

That it's it's it's hard to You're watching stuff and just going really what on earth

01:43:07

Is is going on in our world and every day you scope what what how how much crazier can it get?

01:43:13

I mean seriously taking Well, I'm gonna go there what?

01:43:20

Have you heard the new one of what's coming for July? so the I guess in Florida they're complaining about Dumping narcotics into the the water system flushing them down the toilet now.

01:43:33

They're warning of drug -addicted alligators So July that's not new. Oh, it's not.

01:43:38

Oh, no. I've heard about that for a long I just saw that first time today. So July I'm going to be drug -addicted out alligators along with the murder so now 2020 is just 2020 it really really is

01:43:53

Like I said on the last program they're turning into a verb now, let's not let's not go full 2020, you know

01:43:59

It it is Nope Didn't see this one coming didn't see this coming.

01:44:04

We went a little long today, but appreciate your listening We will be back Lord willing tomorrow and I'll get to the one thing that I forgot to do

01:44:13

In fact, I need to make sure to put that into my list To be done. There was one item

01:44:18

I skipped But we will get to it tomorrow and who knows maybe open the phones.