Biblical Apologetics Defined

Webcasting around the world from the desert metropolis of Phoenix, Arizona. This is the dividing line. The Apostle Peter commanded Christians to be ready to give a defense for the hope that is within us.

Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is dr. James white director of Alpha Omega ministries and an elder at the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.

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The Lordship of Christ in Colossians 1 and 2

A little bit of a rookie mistake there. That's okay. Get things started here. For by him all things were created both in the heavens on earth visible and Invisible whether thrones or Dominions or rulers or authorities all things have been created through him and for him and he is before all things.

And him all things hold together. He is also head of the body the church and he is the beginning the firstborn from the dead so that he himself Will come to have first place in everything. This text from Paul's epistle to the Colossians describes the relationship that Jesus holds to all Created things.

The Apostle Exhausts the Greek language to attempt to communicate the fact that there is nothing outside of the creative work of Jesus Christ. Listen to what he lists all Things were created now you would think that would be enough but mankind has an amazing ability to find ways around even the plainest statements and so Paul Explains what he means by all things.

He means things in the heavens and on earth. That's pretty much everything he means things visible and invisible. He means things such as thrones or Dominions or rulers or authorities all things Have been created through him and for him.

Sometimes we just catch the first part that everything's created through him. He is the the one who is The direct instrumentality of creation itself, but also for him The creation. God had a purpose in creation and Jesus is central to that and all things created for him.

He is before all things that can be temporal that can be in importance. He is before all things so that nothing precedes him temporally and in him all things consist or hold together all the created universe is Dependent upon him for its consistency for for its existence for holding together He holds all things together.

This is a description of The Creator in its original context. It was a description of the Creator in such a way that the Gnostics the proto Gnostics those early heretics coming into the Lycus River Valley where Colossae is is located.

They could not in any way shape or form agree with what this was saying. They believed in a Jesus who while he was a Major person In their system of thought He was himself a part of The mechanism of creation as one of the eons and We're I just need to break your vote.

We're not taking phone calls for at least first half hour I'm sorry, but have a subject here and we need to address it. So won't be taking phone calls for at least first half hour. They had a Jesus the proto Gnostics who simply Put was a sort of divine being he was a part of those emanations from God that Was was pure and holy and that's why they didn't believe he could really have a physical body.

Because that which is physical and is evil and that which is spiritual is good. But he was not the creator of all things he himself was emanation from God and So the Apostle Paul uses their very language to make sure they could not make this confession of faith.

They could not make this confession of faith. He knows what they believe and he wants to make sure that the believers in Colossae know What the truth is and that they will not be deceived. But that issue aside that's very very important in talking to Jehovah's Witnesses and others but I I'm asking more that you step back from the immediate use of this text in apologetics context in that way and Consider what it means that we Christians actually believe that this is scripture now if you don't happen to believe in The inspiration and authority of scripture than what I'm saying will not have much Impact upon you and in fact most of what I say won't have much impact upon you but if you believe that this is scripture that comes from God a revelation from the God who created us as Communicating beings he himself must therefore be a communicating being to be able to to communicate Those things to us and give us that ability that capacity.

Then think with me for a moment, please what it means To believe this text. What does it mean to actually confess before the world that a man Who for many years worked as a carpenter? Now by the way being a carpenter in that day and time was not a low rank.

We know that there are a lot of there's a lot of city building going on nearby and and So there would have been a lot of demand for carpenters carpenters were actually more middle upper upper class. A lot of people think oh, you know, just you know, some type of poor peasant type person, but no, but he worked with his hands and he attended synagogue and When he walked down the road Animals did not coming come running up to him and make noises and he didn't have a halo and glow.

He was particularly pious. No one had ever seen him. Do anything that would violate God's law? But he lived quietly and we actually are telling the world that this man that lived in the land of Israel.

Not in Athens not in Rome. Not in the great metropolitan areas. We are actually saying that that this man created everything. That everything was created through him and for him that he is before all things.

And in fact in this one all things hold together. Obviously unless the Spirit of God Does a work in someone's heart that is absolutely absurd. It is a radical claim. It is so radical. I want you to think about what it means.

How can anyone have true and accurate knowledge? Outside of this one if he is the one in Whom all things hold together if you reject this one and his revelation then I ask you How can you have true knowledge of the universe that he himself created?

That really becomes the entire point of What Paul says just a few verses later? Notice what he says and he returns this discussion of who Jesus is in Colossians chapter 2. When he's talking about how he wants the believers to have their their hearts Knit together in love attaining all the wealth that comes from the full assurance of understanding resulting in a true knowledge of God's mystery that is Christ himself you want true understanding as a believer you you want to have true understanding.

You want to have the full assurance that comes from understanding having a true knowledge of God's mystery. Well, that mystery is Christ himself in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom. All the treasures of wisdom and knowledge Paul.

Are you sure in? Whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge? I say this so that no one will delude you with persuasive argument for the Apostle Paul to know the The mystery of God. To have true knowledge of God's mystery that is Christ himself is to become impervious to being deluded by people with persuasive arguments.

There is there is something about knowing the centrality of Christ that grounds you it makes you steadfast and immovable. For even though I am absent in body nevertheless I am with you in spirit rejoicing to see your good discipline and the stability of your faith in Christ.

We honor people that have a stable faith in Christ, but why do they have a stable faith in Christ? Paul goes on to say therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord so walking in heaven in him having been firmly Rooted and now being built up in him and established in your faith just as you were instructed and overflowing with gratitude.

See to it that no one takes you captive. How? Through philosophy and empty deception according to tradition of men According to the elementary principles the world rather than according to Christ for in him all the fullness of deity dwells in bodily Form.

Do you see a constant theme here? First of all, it is amazing What the Apostle is saying here we we should be absolutely Surprised To the depth of our being if the world does not find our proclamation to be foolishness.

Because we are telling the world that a carpenter from Nazareth Is not only the creator of all things in him all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge are found and outside Of a true knowledge of him you will never have true knowledge of this universe.

Oh, you may have knowledge this universe, but it will always be disjointed inconsistent and not grounded in reality. That is an amazing statement and we can never back away from it without abandoning our own faith without abandoning our own scriptures but notice the connection that Paul is making between who Jesus was and is and Our interaction with the world see to it.

No one takes you captive through how philosophy and empty deception According to the tradition of men according to the elementary principles of the world rather than according to Christ what Paul is saying is.

If Jesus is who we claim he was then he is the standard in all of human knowledge. You may be familiar with the term epistemology the study of knowledge how we know what we know and You see for so many Christians today philosophy history Science epistemology.

It's all over in that realm. And then Jesus is over here. That is not biblical Christianity. Full orbed biblical Christianity recognizes the absolute lordship of Christ in every Aspect of our lives because Christ is Lord in all of the universe and over everything because he created Everything in him are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

That is an amazing statement. And if you're going to defend the faith, you have to defend The whole faith the biblical faith not a cut-down watered-down simplified minimalized just a few facts faith.

Try to trick somebody into accepting a Skeleton of Christianity and then once you get him in hope you can sort of convince them of the rest of it over time. That is a certain form of apologetics, but it's not a biblical form of apologetics keeping that in mind let's move from Colossians chapter 1.

1 Peter 3:15 and the Lordship of Christ in the Heart

Over to the classicus locus the the the primary text on the subject of apologetics and that is 1st Peter 3 15. 1st Peter 3 15. Listen carefully you you've heard it so many times that the danger is that you turn your mind off when you hear it.

Try to hear it for the first time and I'm going to I'm going to render it and translate it literally and In a different way than your you've maybe memorized it so that maybe you'll hear it again with fresh ears and a fresh heart.

The first word of the verse is Lord, but Sanctify set apart. It's the term hagiadzo to make holy. Sanctify Christ as Lord or sanctify the Lord Christ. Both are possibilities, but you need to see the word Kurios there because this is actually Peter taking from the book of Isaiah chapter 8 where Yahweh Almighty is the one that you should treat as holy and He draws this in and he says sanctify set apart Christ the Messiah as Kurios comes straight of the Old Testament as Yahweh as Yahweh Almighty in your hearts always being ready pras apology on.

Always being ready for a defense. To give a reason defense to every person asking you for a reason for the hope that is within you, but always always with gentleness and respect or fear gentleness and respect keeping a good conscience.

Now, let me ask you a simple question. How do you set the Messiah apart as Kurios in your heart. Here is the Lordship of Christ. Based upon the same theology. We saw in Colossians. He is the Kurios. He is Yahweh.

He is the Lord Almighty. The Messiah is actually the Lord Almighty God incarnate and Therefore you are to treat him as holy. You are to set him apart as holy in your hearts. Now what does that mean how many of us got up this morning and said I desire to treat the Messiah as Kurios set him apart as Kurios in my heart this day.

We should. But of course to be able to do that, we have to know what it is. We're being told to do. Well, you will note that the result of this action is an a readiness. To give an Apologetic response to anyone who asks us about the hope that's within us now notice.

They're asking us that means there has to be something about this action that changes our hearts our lives our behavior our words. So that people Will know to ask if we're acting like the world thinking like the world speaking like the world.

Who's gonna ask us a reason for the hope that's within us. So there's something about this action that results in the demonstration That there is a hope in us that the rest of the world does not have.

I Think part of the answer is found in where this action takes place. It's in our hearts. And that's not some little silly sentimental phrase Coined by Hallmark in our hearts means in the very center of our experience the very center of our being there is to be an enthronement a Setting apart as holy.

Nothing else is to be holy in this place except Christ the Lord. To set him apart to sanctify him in this way is to make all of our priorities Line up with his Lordship. This is the Lordship of Christ.

He is worthy of being the priority the enthroned one the one that determines the shape of all that we do in The very innermost part of our being. That's why We are to grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord.

Jesus Christ. It is a lifelong calling and when We have him Enthroned as Lord in our hearts guiding and directing all of our words our actions our priorities our thinking our Epistemology our philosophy our philosophy becomes Christ centered our worldview is Christ centered.

Our words are Christ centered. Then we understand Paul's words. He is our all-in-all and when he is Then we will always be ready to give a reason defense for the hope that's within us to anyone who asks.

Because you see we will think with clarity with Christ the Creator as the center of our view of the world. That's why we can make a defense. We're not making this up. We have not been left to our own devices.

With Christ as Lord in the heart. The truth will be seen and it will be seen to be consistent. Now keeping that in mind. Very quickly I turned to one of the text and I want to make application. I've been talking about Christians how we should view the world the radical nature of the Christian claim about the centrality of Jesus Christ.

This is the faith. We must be defending. We cannot water this down we cannot minimalize this you cannot pretend that the what you're defending and apologetics is just a minimal set of facts and This well, this is just too much.

Can't defend this. Well, if the Holy Spirit isn't the one by whom you are making defense. Well, that's that would be true and If you have capitulated the way the world thinks then yeah, you couldn't defend any of this stuff.

Let's see. I'm talking about biblical apologetics. I'm talking about the biblical gospel and that biblical gospel is Explained for us by the Apostle Paul in 1st Corinthians chapter 1 the word of the cross.

The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing but to us who are being saved is the power of God. Notice the same message not one message preached to one group in a different way than another group.

Not a minimalized message to one group and a maximalized message another. No it's one message. The word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing and my friends it will always be so if You try to change that message into something that is no longer foolishness to them.

You are no longer preaching the message of the cross. The reason that it is foolishness to one group and the power of God to another group lies within them and their spiritual nature and You have no control over that.

You are not God you are not the Spirit for it is written. I will destroy the wisdom of the why is that a cleverness of the clever? I will set aside. Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age.

Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world. If God has made foolish the wisdom of The world then why do we pursue it if we pursue? Worldly wisdom. I'm not talking about true knowledge, but I'm talking about wisdom knowledge outside of the Lordship of Jesus Christ.

If we pursue The wisdom of the world we are pursuing foolishness. We are wasting our lives and our time for sense in the wisdom of God. The world through its wisdom did not come to know God. God was well pleased the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

Do you hear what the scriptures say? It is God's wisdom that the world's wisdom is not the means by which anyone comes to know God. Man in his insufferable arrogance. Believes he can put God in the dock put God in the position of defending himself and Bring in his own pitiful Standards that God allegedly has to live up to.

And How many Christians are there who not knowing the scriptures not knowing these texts. Have been fooled into seeking to defend God on the standards of man's own foolishness and. The result is frustration.

The result is false profession. The result are heretics. Who have been brought quote-unquote into the church not by the work of the Holy Spirit in their hearts. Because someone was willing to accept something less than full Christian profession from them.

It is the wisdom of God that the world to its wisdom does not come to know God. But God was well pleased through the foolishness of the message preached. The K rougama the gospel to save those who believe.

Not those who demonstrate themselves to have great understanding of the wisdom of the world. Now Paul knows this is not Popular for knows what he says for indeed Jews ask for signs. Greeks search for wisdom.

But we preach Christ crucified to Jews a stumbling block in the Gentiles foolishness. Think about it folks. Paul fully understood what his audience wanted. Paul could have started an emergent church. Paul could have started a seeker friendly church.

He knew what people wanted. He knew what their desires were. The Jews seek for signs. The Greeks they seek wisdom they want Sophia, but Paul says we don't give them what they want. We do not edit the gospel.

According to the desires of our audience. We preach Christ Crucified to Jews. We know this is a stumbling block. We know That a portion of our audience Will find this to be offensive. They will find it to be a stumbling block when we preach to Muslims.

We preach Christ crucified, but it didn't die sir for one thing to seven. Oh, so we shouldn't talk about that. No. No, we proclaim Christ crucified to the Jews and the Muslims a stumbling block the Gentiles.

A Crucified carpenter from Nazareth is Somehow the very means by which I am supposed to have eternal life. The creator of the universe. That's foolishness. Marijuanne more on us moron. That's where we get the term foolishness.

But here is where theology matters. And here is where theology determines apologetics. Because Apologetics is defense the faith. Therefore the faith determines the apologetic. What does Paul say? But to those who are the called to the clay toys the called Both Jews and Greeks Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

One message. Which is not to be changed. One message, which has been entrusted to us as a great possession. One message That God has promised by his spirit to bless the salvation of his people. One message to those that are not called stumbling block.

Scandal on offense foolishness. Moronic. But those who are called the same message unedited undiluted the same message. To Jews and Greeks Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. This explains why there can be two men standing in a crowd hearing a George Whitfield preach.

One is pierced to his heart. His life is changed. He's changed from being a God hater to a God lover. The other walks away unchanged. It's not because the one was better than the other it's the calling of God.

But to those who are the called both Jews and Greeks Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. Now, why? Why Did I start the program off in this way at this point? I have not used Either term to my knowledge Evidentialism or presuppositional ism.

What I have provided to you is a biblical Discussion of the key issues that should determine how we seek to glorify God. In obeying the command to be ready to give a defense for the hope that's within us.

But you see the reason I did this is because There are so many today who have no earthly idea how theology relates to apologetics. Theology matters because theology determines the very form of apologetics that we will use.

And If we believe the radical claims the Christian faith that Jesus Christ is the creator of all things then how can we? Engage in any kind of Seeking a neutral common ground with a rebel sinner against God.

Because either a person is a rebel against God or he has submitted to God those the only kinds of people there are. You're either a God lover or a God hater. There is no neutrality in that area. And yet there are many today who would say we need to find a Neutral ground with the unbeliever and so they're willing to abandon The Lordship of Christ and Say I don't.

You don't have to look at the world as being created by God being created by Christ for his purposes. No, no, no. No, we can we can reason together on the basis of well philosophy and and and and what's common between us and.

And maybe later on hopefully I'll be able to convince you That Jesus is Lord. Is there such a thing in light of Colossians chapter 1? Is there such a thing as moral neutral ground between a believer and unbeliever?

The answer has to be no if All things are created by him and for him. Then any fact that is a fact is a fact because he made it to be a fact. There are no moral that there are no morally neutral grounds.

There's no there's no neutral facts in the world. Every fact is a fact because its creator is Jesus Christ. And to begin by pretending that you can ignore that put yourself in a position of never being able to honestly come the point of asserting The true Deity of Christ.

So you end up having to abandon the unique and central elements of the very Christian message to try to pretend To be something you're not someone who isn't really under the lordship of Christ. To try to quote-unquote reason with them.

But doesn't that demonstrate you really don't believe what Paul said to the Corinthians that it's not worldly wisdom. Worldly wisdom is foolishness. God has made it foolish. God has chosen not to use that path to bring people into knowledge of himself.

He's chosen to use the gospel and the Spirit of God. Making that word to come alive in people's hearts. How can any person who has sanctified Christ as Lord in their hearts? For even a moment reason in such a way to where well, I'll stop doing that for purposes of reasoning with you.

Talking with you and what I'm talking about here is the whole reason why I'm a presuppositional apologist. If you listen to my debate with Dan Barker on the existence of God, I Never allowed Dan Barker to think that he has the right to judge his creator.

I will not grant to the creature The autonomy to judge the existence of his creator. That's as foolish. That's as foolish as Trying to deal with rebellious pots and pans. Who are insistent upon demanding that there be a debate?

Over whether they have a maker pots and pans. Cups and saucers are created things. They're created for a purpose by their maker and To allow the rebel sinner the autonomy to demand that God use his reasoning and his standards is to allow the rebel creature to crawl up upon the throne of the universe and Gather the robes of the judge around himself and say I will now determine what evidence will or will not be allowed in this case of me versus God and What's gonna be the result of that.

Well, it's what we see every single time we see an evidentialist apologist go into a debate with an atheist. Well, I just don't know if I accept that I'm not sure that I accept this over here any Real compelling evidence you bring forward and there is so much of it Will simply be dismissed by the rebel sitting upon the throne Wrapped in the robes the judge that he has no rights to be wearing and Every bit of evidence you bring forward that demonstrates all the existence of God, but that he is a rebel creature is simply dismissed.

That's why I believe to be consistent with the Bible you have to address the starting presuppositions. You can not simply abandon a Christian epistemology for the sake of Trying to convince somebody to listen to what you have to say.

That's the spirits job so to me the difference between Presuppositional ism and evidential ism and evidential ism as I would define it Involves the presentation of evidences with the understanding that the unregenerate sinner has the capacity and the willingness to actually Examine the facts with some kind of fairness.

I Would suggest to you that if you read Romans chapter 1 that is impossible. Because as Paul says in Romans chapter 1 the unregenerate man is suppressing the truth of God. He possesses it. He knows God's there, but he holds it down catechon zone active participle.

He is suppressing the knowledge of God What it's gonna happen if you Give him more evidence. He's gonna suppress that too. I do not see evidential ism as having any meaningful biblical basis in light of what the Bible teaches about The radical nature of Christian epistemology that the only way we can have true knowledge is to begin with our Creator.

The claim we make the G that God is the creator of all things the determiner of all things in the person of Jesus Christ and Then the biblical teaching of the slavery of man to sin these things Force me to follow the Apostles in not capitulating to a worldly way of thought but standing firm on a Christian worldview and The Lordship of Christ and Demonstrating not only the consistency of that worldview, but the absolute impossibility that any other worldview Can have any meaningful consistency in the universe that has Jesus as king?

And I suggest to you that a lesser methodology of apologetics is As a methodology upon methodology of apologetics that does not take seriously the kingship the Lordship of Christ over all areas of life and Simply doesn't trust the Holy Spirit of God to do what the Holy Spirit of God says he's gonna do now.

I Looked at The two or three paragraphs That were provided in a book on apologetics co-authored by Eric and Cantor. I'm presuppositional ism and it's used as a textbook at Liberty and no student who has read that book would have any idea whatsoever.

The presuppositional ism is what I just described it to be over the past 40 minutes and That's a shame, of course, it's not just at Liberty where that would be the case. But you know what? Well, we can decry that and we can try to help those in that situation to learn and to know better.

What the real issues are that does not frustrate me? Because what I've discovered is that when people purposefully seek to miss misrepresent Key elements of God's truth God's not frustrated by that the people who do it will answer for that, but God's not frustrated by that God still leads his people to the truth.

They may come through the back door. They may come through the woods, but they're gonna get there He's going to reveal his truth to them and when they find it having been Led away from it by others. Guess what?

It's all the more precious to them it's all the more precious to them and so To the Liberty students who? Have been told that presuppositional ism is the limited atonement method. I hope that you will continue your studies and That you will allow your studies to cause you to see the whole truth all of the truth.

Because I have absolute confidence that if you will pursue that subject With a heart that seeks first and foremost to honor God and his truth his truth will be more than clear enough to lead you and To guide you and to ground you and to equip you.

877 -753 -3341 is the phone number and Let's take our first phone call and talk with Steve. Hi Steve Doing pretty good.

Psalm 110:1, Psalm 16:2, and Psalm 35:23 in Reply to Anthony Buzzard

Anthony buzzard. In psalm 110 one. He said that nowhere in Adonai is the phrase my lord used video debate with him. He said that wasn't true. There were other places where my lord and other or my Adonai or my Yahweh were used.

I was trying to find some sort of reference and the word my obviously is not in any Concordance since there'd be. You could give an example of a couple couple other examples. I have all my or my Yahweh is used.

Yeah, that's the kind of thing. It's easier to answer in the email because I don't have to sit here. I Recall one if I recall correctly I Had these with me in the in the studio and Just off the top of my head I believe one was in Psalm 32 crossed my mind and Yeah, Psalm 16 to I think might be one here I'm looking here.

But it that's the kind of thing it's a whole lot easier to answer When I can double check the the references. So Yeah, that would be the way to do it yeah, I said to the Lord you are my lord. I have no good besides you.

I'm I'm looking at Yeah, Kurios mu is found there in the Greek Septuagint, let me bring up the Hebrew here. Yeah, yeah I deny is used there and that's Psalm 16 to. I think there's another one in In Psalm 32 as I recall and I had those those lined up unfortunately by the time we got to that point Justin was giving me the hurry sign.

In other words, we've totally lost the audience at this point and So We need to move along to some other subjects and that's one of the problems with doing radio stuff, but yeah drop it. I mean even I'll double-check those but I think I think Psalm 16 to and I think there's one in in the 32nd Psalm, I'll take a look at it.

I'm not aware of any I know of reformed folks who are not presuppositional. It's obviously I would recommend everyone listen to the debate between R .C Sproul and Greg Bonson on that but You know I suppose what the problem is at least the presuppositional ism that I would espouse is Based upon not only the recognition of of the calling of God and the elect but also the deadness of man and sin so it I I suppose someone could Philosophically embrace a form of Presuppositional ism, but I can't see how it would be consistent with their with their position on the biblical teachings regarding the autonomy of man and Lack of a creative decree, so I'm not sure how that would work.

Do you know of one? Well, and and hopefully only because the the scriptural testimony is so consistent and so overwhelming that There's no other way to go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah the the new book that's AV put out With Joel McDermott as the editor the book that was found By it was actually Greg Bonson wrote it and the the manuscript fell down behind a filing cabin And was not found until just a couple years ago.

They just put it out. And Joel McDermott is the editor and it is a great book. I'm listen. It's well worth getting. So if you enjoyed that other book, you might want to track that one down to you know, where the publisher is.

He said a B. I think it's American Vision AV. American Vision is a publisher McDermott is the editor. It's in it's in Amazon. That should be enough to get it for you and I Think it's a positive defense of presuppositional apologetics something like that.

Maybe if somebody if somebody posts that for me in channel, I'll mention it here in a few moments. Thanks, Steve. All right. God bless. Eight seven seven seven five three three three four one. Let's talk with James over in the United Kingdom.

Bible Colleges, Seminary Training, and the Ethiopian Orthodox Canon

Hello, James.

Hey James, how you doing? I'm doing good. I was just wondering being a sort of younger. Okay. Can you think of any?

Good. Yeah. Well, you know I go over there and you know, I've I've lectured at the at the church at The Metropolitan Tabernacle at the school there at the Metropolitan Tabernacle stuff like that but the the best the best way for me to answer that would be to direct you to some of the pastors there in the area that would have much more contact with the schools as to the who the Teachers are and things like that.

I mean London Bible College. Obviously, I'm aware of a number of people from there and things like that. But since since I'm only over there for a short period of time and normally busier in a one-armed paper hanger when I am there I'd want to get you in touch with A couple of the pastors there.

Are you in the London area? Or where are you? Okay I don't think they'd mind my mentioning them on on the air. They may be they may mind being associated me and my calling them friends. But I would recommend you talk to two pastors in the London area and you should be able to track down their information fairly easily.

Roger Brazier is the pastor of the Edmonton Baptist Chapel and They have a website and hence you could contact him directly and then Doug McMaster's at Trinity Road Chapel in Upper Tuding likewise. I was when I was over there this last time I was with with Doug and hopefully Doug and I are gonna be Doing a manuscript trip in February Lord willing to visit some of the Important biblical manuscripts for a project that I want to work on.

So I would direct you to both those gentlemen as far as having a far better insight than I would on that.

Thank you. Also one other thing. I caught a while ago asking about the Book of Enoch. You remember that? I'm sorry. I don't. Okay. Well, I. You were surprised at the Ethiopian Orthodox Church had been there.

Oh, okay. All right. Yes. Uh-huh. And you said they're being consistent. They should include things like the Assumption of Moses.

So. They actually so they actually have 2nd century Gnostic works in their canon. Yeah. Well, that would make sense then I suppose. If you're if you're that far off the beam then I guess that would make sense.

But that's a total totally news to me. Why they would have anything from the 2nd century Gnostic Gospels or how they make heads tails out of that I do not know but that is an interesting piece of information.