Does An Introverted Spouse Need "Me Time"?

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The Podcast Introduction and Marriage Question

Welcome to Bible Bash, where we aim to equip the saints for the works of ministry by answering the questions you're not allowed to ask. We're your hosts, Harrison Kerrig and Pastor Tim Mullett, and today we'll answer the age-old question, does an introverted spouse need me time?

Now, as we start this episode off, Tim, what Bible verse do you have for us?

Yeah, Philippians 2 -4 says that, let each of you look not only to his own interest, but also to the interest of others.

Okay, so we've got a Bible verse there that's essentially talking about selfishness versus selflessness, right? And Paul's commanding the Philippians to be selfless, not selfish, right?

Right, right.

So, I mean, you do have a verse that basically assumes that individuals are going to spend their time thinking about their own interest in terms of just their autopilot. And so it is one of those interesting verses that factors into this discussion to some degree.

Meaning, the verse is not like a condemnation against pursuing self-interest at all in any way, but then it is basically saying that you're going to do that. As you think about just the way you live your life, you get up in the morning, the first things you think to do are typically going to be things that relate to yourself and your desires and your quote-unquote needs.

And so this is just one of those verses which instructs Christians to orient their gaze outward and be like Jesus, take on the form of a servant. So this is obviously not like a verse that is an absolute condemnation against doing anything that you want to do on your own, but it is a verse that's instructive to this kind of conversation to some degree.

So it's not like a, all right, well, Paul said this, so I can never do anything that I ever want ever again. I can only do what other people want to do, right?

I mean, yeah, he does say, let each of you look not only to his own interests. So the only part is, not only part is the significant portion there.

You're going to pursue self-interest.

That would be pretty funny if you had that wrong understanding of it and then you're like, well, hey, but I like hanging out with other people.

Right, right.

I can't hang out with, you know, that's a selfish interest. I can't do that. No, that's obviously not what is meant there. So Tim, why are we talking about this right now? What's the significance of talking about, you know, me time, especially as it relates to your spouse?

Defining “Me Time” and the Therapeutic Self-Care Mindset

That's a lot of, I mean, that's the question. Me time in general is just, it's an idea that people communicate on a regular basis. So with all these terms that are like quasi-therapeutic kind of terms, what ends up happening is that, you know, the idea of me time is something that the standard person might not quite understand what's being communicated with an expression like that.

So you have just a normal idea of doing something on your own by yourself like that many people might construe as me time. And then you have me time in like the therapeutic sense of, you know, narcissistic self-focused time that's a form of therapy for you in that way.

So part of what we have to do is just talk about what we're talking about here. But you're asking why are we doing this? And I mean, this is a question that we received from a newlywed person. And this is really just a question about marriage in general.

You know, most married couples, I think, who are trying to start out marriage as Christians, they have an impulse to say we have to do everything together at the very beginning. So they may not know really how to structure their time in that way.

So like you think about just the way that they approach this subject of marriage. It's like, hey, we're best friends. We're in flesh. We need to do everything together. And then what ends up happening over the course of their years is that they grow accustomed to doing things apart.

And then they can wind up being a couple who basically are living two separate lives in the same house, you know?

Yeah, all the way down to spouses that are sleeping in different beds.

Yeah, sleeping in different beds. So part of this kind of discussion is just a very natural discussion about, well, how do married couples spend their time? What place is there for self-interest within the context of marriage in general?

So part of it is a discussion along those lines. And then there is this psychological me-time element to this discussion also that is being smuggled into just the normal standard dynamics of marriage in general.

So if you think about what me-time is, you know, I tried to we were talking about this online with some folks, and I tried to give the Urban Dictionary definition of me-time.

A very reputable academic source.

Yeah, but what's funny about that is that often these Urban Dictionary definitions, they do get at what people are actually communicating in a better way than your standard dictionaries do. So the Urban Dictionary definition of me-time is quality time that self-absorbed narcissists set aside for themselves.

So then, quote, my problem, said the self-absorbed narcissist at the yoga retreat, is that I'm just too giving. I really need to learn to know how to be a little more selfish, how to set aside a little more time, you know, me-time.

So, I mean, that does get at what you're talking about with the idea of me-time. So I also put online this picture of a lady who's painting or whatever, and it says, signs that you need some solo time.

And then, you know, they had a picture of a frowny face, says irritability, you know, lack of focus, social anxiety, loss of interest in group outings, you know, then overstimulation. That's a funny new word that we're using now.

And then feeling overwhelmed, right? So, like, the idea there with me-time is it really is this therapeutic kind of narcissistic time to where you're just feeling overwhelmed, you're feeling anxious, you're feeling stressed out, and you just need to get away from everyone and just do something on your own that you enjoy just for you.

So in that way, like, for people who are using this in the therapeutic sense, this is primarily a term that's not really just talking about just doing something by yourself. It's talking about, like, you're stressed out and you're anxious, and everyone around you is just, like, overstimulating you and making you anxious, and you need to just get away from them in order to, you know, engage in self-care, right?

So in that way, it has a very specific kind of, you know, quote-unquote therapeutic meaning there. And so a lot of people, they are stressed out, you know? So they may identify themselves as an introvert, and, you know, they may get worn down with social interactions.

They may just want to escape, you know? And so then they're talking about this not in the normal lens of, hey, yeah, I think I'm going to go fishing, right? So, like, hey, I'm just going to go fishing.

I don't think anyone would think anything weird about that. But then if you're talking about, like, my kids are stressing me out, you know, I'm tired of being around my husband, you know, whatever, so I need to get away and, you know, engage in self-care, then something different just happened there in those two kind of stereos.

I mean, when you're saying, hey, I'm going to go fishing, you don't necessarily mean, like, hey, I'm going fishing in response to some other thing that I don't like. You just mean, hey, no, I just plan to go fishing, so I'm just going to go fishing for a little bit.

Right, right, and that's, like, the distinction that needs to be made in this kind of discussion as to what you're even talking about. So when people are talking about me time, like, I need some me time, I need to engage in some self-care, I need some alone time or whatever, they're talking about, like, retreating from, like, stressful situations, like the stress of being around their family, you know, or their friends.

That they're supposed to love and cherish above all others.

Right, so in that way, it's just, like, functionally what's happening is it's, like, an introvert way of saying, I'm sick of being around you and I need to remove myself from your presence so that I can be okay, right, because I'm just totally stressed out by being around you.

So that's a very different thing than just, you know, periodically saying, hey, yeah, I'm going to go fishing.

Right.

So I don't think most people think, like, hey, I'm going to go fishing means I'm tired of being around you, wife, right?

I mean, I could definitely see situations where that was the reasoning behind it, but then, yeah, not every time someone goes fishing, it's because they're trying to escape their wife.

Right, yeah, now, if you're constantly fishing, someone might suspect that. That's what's going on, right?

Right, right.

Like, oh, you're going fishing again. How often do you need to fish, you know?

Surely you've caught every fish now.

Yeah, so I think the issue there is with me time, like the idea of this me time, people can be using it as an escape, and there's a difference between just doing something you want to do because you want to do it, and there's a difference between that and basically just engaging in this therapeutic escape time where you're escaping from these people that you're supposed to love more than you love yourself.

And so there's some sort of discussion to be had there, and these, like, hey, I need to get away from you all because you're just too much for me. I'm emotionally frazzled, and that may be understandable.

So, I mean, if your kids are crazy, and the Bible says a contentious wife is better to be on the corner of a rooftop than in a home with a contentious woman, or if you're that husband who's always going fishing because you're married to a contentious wife and your kids are out of control and crazy, like, everyone can understand what's happening there as if, I mean, you can understand that that's a reasonable response to being married to a battle axe and having kids who are just, like, not managed at all, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily a godly response, if that makes sense.

And so in the same way, like, if your kids are all stressing you out, you don't like your husband, you don't really want to be around him, he's too much, you know, you've got conflict going on in your marriage and you're doing this, I need to get away from everyone, you know, you need to watch the kids, I'm so stressed out, you take care of them, I need to go do my me time.

Everyone may understand what's going on there, but that doesn't mean it's necessarily...

Like, from a human perspective.

Right, right, but that doesn't mean it's godly, and then, you know, if you're going to put it like that, then I'm just going to look at you and say, hey, whatever's happening, that isn't a need, you don't need to get away, you know.

In fact, you may need to clean up the mess you made.

Yeah, you actually need to stay and start figuring out how to fix this stuff.

Yeah, yeah, so a lot of this is just related to the term need. You know, does the introverted spouse need, you know, to get away from people in order to be okay? And I would say they don't need to, no, they'll be all right.

You know, in fact, they probably need to learn how to fix all these destructive things that are going on that make it so oppressive to be around people in that way.

Introversion, Extroversion, and Temperament

You know, so it seems like a lot of this conversation really revolves around the whole introvert versus extrovert kind of conversation. So, you know, does adding that into things change your response at all, or what are your thoughts on an introvert?

I mean, normally it's going to be an introvert who's saying, hey, I need my me time, you know, because extroverts are very much about being around other people. So, you know, introverts saying, hey, I need my me time, that's just the way I am, I get drained when I'm around other people and I've just got to, like after a while, I've just got to get away, maybe even for long periods of time before I ever go around others again.

You know, does that justify things, or is that like, you know, or is that like, no, that's not an excuse.

Yeah, I mean, so you have different, I do think you have different temperaments there like related to introvert and extrovert, and I typically try to put them in quotes just like I do with all these psychological terms in general, you know, personality kind of terms that I, because I just, I think they're taking on a lot of baggage and they're doing a lot of things that people don't necessarily suspect that they're doing.

So I definitely, you know, if I were to describe myself with one of those labels, I would be an introvert all day long. I mean, I don't, I, you know, if I'm around people nonstop all day long, I start to get drained pretty quick and I get to a point where it's like, man, I need to, I think to myself, man, I need some time to myself.

I'm drained, I'm exhausted, you know. So, I mean, I understand all those temptations. I understand what's being communicated. You know, I'm probably like a lot more introverted than most people actually are.

I'm probably more on the extreme end of introversion, like on the spectrum of things, like meaning, you know, I could be around, I could be by myself for days and days and days, you know, and like just in my flesh, I could be around myself and not even care, you know, like I would be fine because like there's a lot going on like in my brain that is sufficiently interesting to me, you know.

So, and then people, you know, like just interacting with people can be just a lot of work. It's like, it's difficult to communicate at times and difficult to just figure out how to relate with other people.

You know, my older brother, he's very extroverted. Like, so, you know, we're polar opposites. We're extremes in this way. Like where he just thrives on being around people. I mean, he, you know, one of the funny things about this just related to natural temperaments is that, you know, I, just to give you an idea, like when I'm by myself, I'm listening to things.

I'm trying to learn, you know, I have things in my ear nonstop trying to learn and he calls people nonstop, you know. Like he takes his free time to call people. I take my free time to learn, you know, like that's, I mean, I'm not saying he doesn't spend his free time to learn.

I'm just trying to say that, like, I would get stressed out. Like if I were to call people all day long and talk to people all day long, I mean, that's like, that literally feels exhausting to me. You know, like, and so, I mean, I understand all these temptations and I, I mean, I remember when I was a young, when I was about to get married, I was engaged.

I went and I spoke with me and my wife, Elizabeth. We were, I would always ask, you know, relatives and godly people like advice about these kinds of things. And, you know, one of my aunts and my uncles, I came to them and I, I basically said, you know, like, I, I'm an, you know, I'm a very introverted kind of person and I just get kind of worn down being around people all day long.

You know, how do you deal with that kind of thing in the context of marriage? That's what I asked him about. So how do you deal with that? Because, you know, there's certain, like I feel like when I'm around people all day long, I get to a point where I just want to be by myself.

I just want to be alone. I just don't want to have to do it, do it anymore. You know, and I mean, it was, I mean, the look of like horror and disgust that came over their face, like it, it truly does stick with me to this day.

You know, like they, they, they, they couldn't hide it. You know, they like, and I'm a person who can handle a lot of blunt kind of communication and they know that about me, but I mean, they could not hide the look of horror and disgust that came on their face.

And, you know, I mean, they basically just kind of looked at me and just said, you know, tell me, like people need to grow up, you know, they need to quit like leaning on these labels. Like I'm an introvert, therefore I need to, it's okay for me to, you know, not want to be around anyone.

You know, you need to grow up. You need to quit being so selfish, you know, like marriage is a one flesh relationship. And yeah, you just, you need to get over yourself and quit thinking about all these things that you need and you, you know, you don't need and everything else.

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Was it like, was it like the, was it like one of those RC Sproul?

Yeah.

What's the matter with you people?

It was definitely that. I mean, it was definitely that. And they were, they're polite and they're kind. And, but I mean, they had that look on their face. Like I said, the dumbest thing that anyone's ever said in the history of the world.

And I appreciated that. I mean, their look of looks of horror and disgust, they really do stick with me to this day.

Every time I'm, every time I'm tempted to selfishly retreat and be by myself for long periods of time.

In order to be okay.

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They're like a slave master's whip on my back, you know, that keeps me going and keeps me safe. But I mean, the thing is, like as a person who's just really introverted, I've never approached marriage like that because they, you know, snap some sense into me.

Right.

Like they, like they didn't, like if I would have given myself permission to approach marriage like that, then yeah, I mean, I can imagine I come home from work and, and it's like, Hey guys, I can need some me time.

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I need everyone to get in a hard eight, eight hours.

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