Why Christians are Shifting Their View of MLK

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Thank you. Yes, it's been difficult a little bit the last few months for my family But that definitely gives us some hope and so we're appreciate should have that Just a few comments before I start this is gonna be a long one,

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I think because I I want to get into Really MLK social and political views more than anything else his legacy why

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I'm gonna make an argument for why I don't think we should revere him the way that it seems like typically in the last few decades, he's been revered even in conservative circles and And I've done this kind of thing before in a way

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I've exposed some of the things that MLK Did moral failings bad theology that kind of thing?

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I'm not gonna do that as much I really want to get into the substance of his views I think that's where the battle is right now to be honest

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And I think the narrative is shifting both on the left and on the right, but more so I think on the right

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I think that we are at the precipice of starting to go the other way on MLK And actually bringing back some of these critiques of MLK that existed 40 50 years ago

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That were put to death after the MLK holiday Became mainstream and was passed and all of that, but there were senators

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I mean there are people who objected Jesse Helms was one of them and He had good reason for it. And you know, some of it was ties to communism and communists and things like this

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I'm not gonna get into so much those things. There's a whole Cottage industry on connecting people to Marxists right good like Glenn Beck's chalkboard, and I'm not gonna do that I'm not saying it's not worthwhile to make connections, but I really want to get into the meat of this

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So that's what we're gonna do a few questions though and comments here. Oh Jessica 1993 says

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Virgil Walker just did a short piece on this on the g3 channel He also did a deep dive on there just thinking pot that's fantastic podcast, by the way and I want to say to Virgil Walker's credit despite whatever disagreements he has with me and Whatever disagreements

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I might have with him about the way he's handled the Christian nationalist stuff I I did see that piece and I thought that It I would probably go further on some things what you're gonna hear in this podcast

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But I thought it was good I thought it's it takes courage just so you know It does take courage to some extent at least especially especially if you are in a in a black community

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Or Or you come from an area that's black to criticize them. Okay.

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It's just not really done It's just not done. And so I Say credit where credit is due

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And I feel bad. I'm sorry Andrew Andrew for $10 asked two questions And I don't know if my answers are gonna be that great, but he said you've mentioned in several videos that crew went woke

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Do you know if ratio Christie also went that way if not, I'd rather support them Not to the extent crew did that's for sure and I I don't believe so to be honest

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My understanding is they've actually taken measures against social justice and wokeness now I don't know the full extent of those measures.

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I think people like Neil Shen be and I Can't remember the name of the organization now.

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There's an organization that it is on the tip of my tongue Maybe it'll come to me later. But Maybe it's the

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Center for biblical unity. I think that's it I think that that's been their approach more if I'm not mistaken

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They may some some of them don't quote me on it may have used the Thaddeus Williams book as well I consider all that stuff and I'm not trying to say all of its bad or anything

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And I I'm not looking at this like black and white I I would say it is an inadequate critique though that you're gonna find from from those

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Organizations or people for the most part It doesn't it doesn't really go far enough and it's really coming from a more liberal mindset

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That's where the critiques coming from. So but to their credit there They they have done something about it as far as I know and and again

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I'm probably gonna get I'm probably gonna get some emails from people in ratio Christy saying we're against wokeness. How dare you?

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I just know this because people have sent me stuff all kinds of stuff. I will say this too, though I know of crew staff who have gone to ratio

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Christy and they love it and they think this is so much better than crew and at least there's room for me to exist here and I don't feel like I'm constrained all the time and They're at least taking a whack at the woke stuff into that.

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I say good job So if you're gonna support one, I would support ratio Christy over crude hands down Also another question for $10 from Andrew did you ever do a video on the entire

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Jay Gresham machen saga? I'm not sure what that is His life, I don't know if there's a controversy

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I'm unaware of I only have a cursory understanding of the whole thing But Stonehouse's biography is too long.

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I have not read Stonehouse's biography of machen I've actually never read a biography of machen.

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I've read articles about me and I've read a lot of primary source stuff Obviously is what Christianity and liberalism.

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I really like his speech before Congress on public education And I know

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I've read some of the critiques from more social justice angles on his Apparent at least at some point in his life.

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I think was earlier in his life support for racial segregation and education So I don't really know

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All right. Well, okay. All right one more thing because someone did pay Earl Starbuck for $2 Asked about denying the divinity of Christ world.

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We'll talk about that a little bit today. Yeah, so MLK Did do that. We're not gonna get in detail on that But most of that comes from his seminary papers and and we're not gonna get into the plagiarism stuff either

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I've also covered that even I have a dream speech part of that is plagiarized As far as we know the the

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Christology stuff though the more I Hesitate to say Orthodox, but the more

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Orthodox leaning Christians who like him Okay, we'll try to defend him and say well that was his earlier life and clearly

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You know based on little statements like I've come back to the faith of my father's and things like this They'll say well, well, he he's was

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Orthodox by the end of his life just like us and I think that's a bunch of baloney to be honest

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It's just it's making an assumption and I'm gonna show you some things from later in his life that lead me to believe he never

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Changed his views on Christ Okay, we are going to yeah, people are putting all kinds of things in the chat about MLK.

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All right Let's focus now I Want to talk about Martin Luther King jr.

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And you might ask, you know, why talk about this the day after MLK Day? there's a specific reason for it and the reason for it is because I wanted to see what people were saying and I can't preemptively know what they're going to say.

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So I Want to talk about the MLK of the right of the left of evangelicalism

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He's a little bit like Abraham Lincoln He's a symbol that is used by many groups they want to attach their

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Themselves to MLK to justify whatever cause that they're involved in. In fact, I saw not too long ago.

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You had the Anti -kovat doctors the frontline doctors and they were quoting

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MLK all over the place and You know, what does that have to do with with their issue? Well, if you can hit your your wagon to MLK Then it justifies it morally because he's become really kind of a proto

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Christ figure. He's become Almost the father of the country. He's more time is devoted to him as far as discussion and teaching and Honoring him than George Washington I mean it even people who don't know any history in public because they've gone through the public education system

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They know about MLK, right and they only know though a version of MLK and so there's different versions floating around and I want to talk about this because I think this is why

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We told we're gonna talk about this. Anyway, I mean if there weren't Versions of MLK being used to justify political things then would we even be talking about this?

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Probably not So the political rights MLK is where I want to start and you saw yesterday Ron DeSantis Who got third or no second?

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I guess it He was kind of close to Nikki Haley, but he did edge out a second in the

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Iowa caucus very distant behind Trump but He posted before the caucus or maybe the day of the time is always right to do what is right.

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Dr Martin Luther King jr And I think this is the way that MLK is often used by people and I'm not saying

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Ron DeSantis doesn't know about MLK I'm sure he knows some things but but people who don't know about MLK or know very little it's like well

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He's just a good guy. Right every he just stood for the right thing. So do what's right? And so there's this sort of general

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MLK that that's out there that really any side can use but the right likes to use MLK Mike Pence today.

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We honor. Dr. Martin Luther King jr. An American whose faith and courage moved our nation to a more perfect Union Dr.

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King inspired a movement that changed the course of American history and his example inspires us still today

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And you see a lot of this merging of MLK you saw this in the 1776 Commission even from the

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Trump administration was supposed to contradict or compete with the 1619 project this merging of MLK with founding documents and it's like the founders a line that goes from the founders to Abraham Lincoln to MLK, right and And it's a sacred line.

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And of course, I I don't buy this at all. I think that That line if it exists at all the the connections aren't

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Connections over creating a more perfect Union or equality or you know, the kinds of things that are often assumed about it.

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It's it's more It's more of a whatever connection is there is because that you know

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They happen to live in the United States and they did political things. It's pretty general You know

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Abraham Lincoln you could say you could say there's connection between MLK and Abraham Lincoln I guess in a way they both believed in a very

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Intrusive federal government state action and and even the meddling in social institutions and those kinds of things

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But but Lincoln's views on race are completely different than MLK and if he wanted to ship the slaves back to Africa, right?

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So there there's this mythos that exists out there and the left used to be the ones that touted this stuff

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But now the right is touting it more there. They're merging, you know MLK with the founders like it's kind of there

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There he was carrying on their dream Christopher Rufo Said if I were let's say

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Secretary of Education I would launch a civil rights investigation to every Ivy League universities discriminatory

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Dei and admissions policies then work with legislators to block all federal funding until they remedy the situation

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To attack MLK is Shortsighted we measure our greatest statesmen by their accomplishments within the tragic conditions of history and human nature

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Whether it's the founders or dr. King a certain degree of idealization is necessary for creating a coherent national narrative

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The correct reaction to the left's noxious ideology is not to say we need racialism for the right

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It's to say we recognize the realities of race but aspire to a higher standard the full expression of natural rights the subordinates

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Racial faction to the best of our nation. We're gonna get into some of these things today, but I want to say this You can see it.

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You can notice a slight shift even in Christopher Rufo. He has to acknowledge now Well, you know, I know there's problems with MLK, but look we shouldn't attack him guys.

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I know there's some problems We shouldn't attack him. Why shouldn't we attack him? Well, you know he's got some moral flaws, but What he was striving for and this is generally where conservatives go what he was striving for in the

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I have a dream speech is this colorblind society and in the colorblind society that there's no room for any group to Try to exert their own preference or dominance or supremacy or any of that.

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We we don't even see it and so This is then also again merged with it's the full expression of natural rights

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It's it's a liberal approach all this is a liberal approach by the way that these natural rights that the founders believed in MLK was then applying somehow and this contradicts the

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DEI stuff and and I think you know, you know, I I will say that I think that there is some merit to Pointing out at times.

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I think it's way overdone way overdone and and probably to our own detriment but there is merit to at times pointing out that What MLK was doing and what he stood for at least?

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Broadly speaking publicly because there's yeah, there's different MLK's was in contradiction to the

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DEI policies of today at least on the surface The legend of MLK, right which

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I don't buy this at all. By the way I think that MLK would have been for the DEI stuff today But but I think at least the legend of MLK, which were kind of led to believe is the full

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MLK Really it boils down to the letter from the Birmingham Jail and the

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I have a dream speech That's all most people know that MLK would

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Probably not care for the DEI policies at least in principle you would think right so I get why people do that I've I've even made that point before I looked back and I think was like three or four years ago

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I had made a you know, it was a portion of MLK's I have a dream speech and interspersed were social justice warriors in Christianity saying things

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That concert they seem to contradict it for example MLK talks about Really his pride in the

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United States, you know, he's not down on the pilgrims now in other places. He is kind of but maybe not the pilgrims specifically, but he he's

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He's down on white people throughout history and what they've done and he sounds like a you know A social justice warrior from today, but at least to that speech.

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He's he's saying very unifying themes and And so then I contradict that I juxtapose it with things that social justice activists are saying and and I think there's some merit there

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But again when you do that too much what you do is you end up reinforcing MLK as a standard. He's the moral standard

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He's the standard by which the nation is going to be judged. I wish the country I should say is gonna be judged so Given the amount of slides

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I have I need to get going here. But but there is a political right MLK He's used as a symbol by the right Prager you

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Put out a video a few years ago, but they reposted it so I figured out they reposted it I'll put it out there.

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He said Jason Riley in this particular Craver Prager you video and there's this part of the transcript King has had no real successor if black

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Americans were still faced with legitimate threats to civil rights such as legal discrimination or voter Disenfranchisement, it's likely that leaders of Kings caliber would have emerged to carry on the fight

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Instead what we have today are pretenders who have turned the civil rights movement into an industry if not a racket

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King and other black leaders at the time spoke openly about the need for more responsible behavior

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The pretenders to Kings legacy mostly ignored this advice preferring instead to keep the onus on whites activists who long ago abandoned

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King's colorblind standard which was the basis for the landmark civil rights laws enacted in the 1960s tell young black

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Americans today that they are Victims first and foremost black activists and white progressive stress racism because it serves their own interest not because it actually improves the station of blacks so This is a

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I would say the fairly standard Political conservative. It's really a neo -conservative Kind of view of MLK and that MLK's work was accomplished.

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That's what you see in this like his work was done Black people can vote now. We don't have voter disenfranchisement.

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We don't have the legal discrimination that once existed We don't have separate drinking fountains anywhere So his work is done and now there's nothing left to do and so everyone who's

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Trying to carry on his legacy using his name. They're really frauds they're just trying to build off of the momentum of What he did but there's nothing left to be done

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The job has been finished and that is really the difference between like 1776 Commission and 1619 project

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There's one of the reasons we need the 1607 project which is coming out next month Premiering at Calloway Gardens in Second week of February Abbeville Institute's hosting that so if anyone wants to sign up for that I'll be there.

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I'll be introducing the documentary. There's a book with it. But anyway That's that's the the difference between those two things is not that big because The 1619 project is saying there was a promise in America and we've not achieved it and the 1776

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Commission is saying there's a promise at the beginning of America at a foundational level that has been achieved

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And so MLK he we achieved it. So we have the equality and there's no need for anything else, right?

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No, they'll in it. It's just a misunderstanding of how the left works how progressives work How MLK had he still been alive and what he was doing towards the end of his life would have even worked

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Okay, so we have we have the Civil Rights Act Acts I should say but we we there's always more because look at the economic disparities that exist

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I don't keep talking about this all the time the disparities that exist and the need for all kinds of redistribution and Affirmative action programs and all that kind of thing.

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So it's just ignorant of who MLK actually was You had yesterday.

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There's two I think good examples of Evangelicalism so you have I would say evangelical left

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Daniel Darling evangelical right John Root And by the way, John Root went back and and he

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I saw before the podcast. He had deleted this particular tweet And it was already in my slideshow though.

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So this is this is the view I guess he had yesterday morning, but he got some pushback and he deleted the tweet.

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I think he's a good man I really do I mean like I've said things I disagree with too, but I think that he

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He fine -tuned it now and he said look I'm talking about the I have a dream speech MLK So but but regardless Daniel Darling said

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Martin Luther King jr. Rightly called on America to live up to her founding ideals. There you have it He used the language of human dignity drawn from Christianity.

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He saw the humanity even of those who opposed him All right, so that's sort of evangelical left and you have evangelical, right?

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You can't possibly celebrate MLK jr. Today while supporting DLM incorporated in DEI at the same time

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He would be opposed to both which I don't think he would be at all In fact, I think the the road that runs through MLK, that's where it eventually leads but But there's some truth in Like I said at the beginning there's there's sort of some some glimmers.

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There's some pieces in both of these things and It's not the full pie

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They're they're slices and that's part of the problem with the way that MLK is appropriated today

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Gospel coalition put out a piece. I would say this is evangelical left and it said I'll just read you it's a prayer

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So it's a prayer about I guess MLK Let me just read for you the relevant section

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Lord Jesus pondering John's vision of your gathered beloved loud praising every nation bride bride Ignites our longings for the day of your return

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It's also a great way to remember the work of two Martin Luther's one from Germany and one from Alabama What's the basis upon which this imperfect countless multitude will enjoy all the perfections of eternity only the gospel of grace that Martin Luther?

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Rediscovered okay, and then it goes it goes forward and it says Martin Luther King jr Helped us understand that the purpose and power of your grace

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Isn't just to get us into heaven, but also Get heaven into us

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So so this is sort of the utopian mindset here that you have

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MLK coming almost like a prophetic character He comes and he's going to show the way forward for Christians to get heaven into us

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Right, it sounds kind of profound I guess to certain people. I don't know. I don't know if it's that profound but It it's salvation the gospel.

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It's not just getting us to heaven. There's also getting heaven into us This is immunizing of the eschaton It's it's to it starts off with this vision that John has every tongue tribe a nation and that's what

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MLK did He was giving us that vision of all of these things together It's gonna happen on this earth when in reality, we know that's not true

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John's vision Now I take a futurist view of Revelation But John's vision is something that that is to occur and even if you don't take a futurist view of Revelation You're still gonna have to wind up with this is in heaven

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John's vision is in heaven. It's not on earth and And so there and there are certain things

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I mean that we pray that I will be done on earth as it is in heaven and of course the left takes that now To justify every social program they have if they can somehow tie it to a heaven reality.

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There's no hunger in heaven, right? so let's do you know anti -poverty programs that with the view in mind that we're going to be successful in an ultimate sense when we're not and so It's they'll misappropriate that verse for their own agendas and Try to make it about you know, some utopian scheme and I see the gospel coalition kind of in that same vein they're trying to Find these heavenly realities and you know,

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I think it might have been Stephen Wolf I want to give credit where credit's due had pointed out that look they never do this on marriage

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They never say well, there's no marriage in heaven. Let's not have any marriage here. You know, they there's certain distinctions between these worlds

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But that's TGC you had the American Spectator ran a piece by Paul Kengor Grove City College That's a think they're evangelical if I'm not mistaken evangelical

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University the Martin Luther King jr that liberals hate of course Mark Levin reposted this and it talks about King Kim Davis if people remember

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Kim Davis who went to jail because she refused to issue marriage licenses to same -sex couples and She justified what she did partially based on what

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MLK did. She was a Democrat And Martin Luther King said I would agree with st.

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Augustine that an unjust law is no law at all Now what is the difference between the two? how does one determine when a law is just or unjust a just law is a man -made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God and unjust laws a code that is out of Harmony with the moral law to put it in the terms of st

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Thomas Aquinas and unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal law. And so This is also part of the king of the right the king of the right quotes

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Augustine because he quoted Augustine and his letters to the Birmingham Jail a letter from bring Birmingham Jail and in that particular work

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He he appeals to this this understanding of human worth and Parallels that to social equality that these things are really one in the same and so any kind of social inequality

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Must be against human worth and because it's against human worth then you apply

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Augustine's Understanding of what a just and unjust law is and in this case, it must be unjust that that's the argument there and of course,

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I would agree with Augustine I think all Christians would and I think MLK knew what he was appealing to at a time when the country was much more

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Christian than it is now You know people say the same about Abraham Lincoln, right Abraham Lincoln There's good evidence to suggest he was probably an atheist but whether he was or not whether he wasn't atheist most of that's based on Herndon his

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Lawyer who worked with him Whether he was or he wasn't though. He was certainly not a pious man

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There's really no evidence to indicate he was a Christian but what did he keep using in his particular speeches biblical themes because he was at a time when that carry legitimacy and I think

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MLK probably did something similar as well. I mean he's there's some philosophical stuff here

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But you know, we want to zone in on the Augustine, but we want to ignore his appeals to secular philosophers like Hegel or Marx or you know others so So this is

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Paul Kengor yesterday, this is all you know fresh off the the printing press this all just happened Christianity today surprisingly

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Surprisingly posted what I thought was actually a pretty decent article on MLK I was surprised but this gets into why

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I think the narrative is changing They talk about on the 95th anniversary of Kings birth that we need to approach

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King with with humility We need to realize that his story is not our own and his understanding of Christian faith was probably different from ours

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He was a man of both deep flawed and profound insights He was not the only civil rights hero or even the best one

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But he was deeply engaged with the Christian message of justice and reconciliation and there's much we have yet to learn from his life

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So this is Christianity today acknowledging. You know what? He wasn't exactly Orthodox theologically and That he had flaws.

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He wasn't actually the best civil rights leader I'm a little surprised but maybe I shouldn't be and I would say this is evangelical left.

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Why are they doing this? I predicted a few years ago. The me too stuff was going to come to haunt MLK Eventually if the me too movement continued they would have to there's no getting around it.

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They would have to acknowledge MLK and And perhaps that's part of what's happening here, but I think that the shift on the right was

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Was even more what was bigger to me? I should actually just preface it with before I get to the right

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I noticed Trevin wax and Kate shell nut so Trevin wax from the gospel coalition

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Kate shell nut for from Christianity today both reposted this This article from Christianity today, and if you look at their previous

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Twitter Activity, this is not all of it, but there this is some of it on MLK.

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They are glowing about MLK I mean they love MLK He is he is the standard.

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I mean, he's these I won't read you all of them you can go back and look at it yourself, but I Consider this a shift.

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This is a shift on the evangelical left that you know, we're gonna acknowledge that he's not the best Maybe we're gonna say that he maybe he's not as much of our guy as he was

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You see on the evangelical right which is I would consider and I mean right by I'm not saying they're like the based right or the dissident right or the

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Yeah, I don't know the There are more classical liberals I would say but but they're on the right as far as you know

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They're they're Orthodox in their theology for the most part I think I think yeah, I have to say for the most part because of Owen Strawn mostly but and his

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Trinitarian ideas, but But but they're not on the woke side of things will say at least when it comes to you know

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The radical woke stuff. So so g3 Josh by someone strand those guys They they also said things in the past like Josh by said

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MLK's dream will be fulfilled one day before God's throne I mean, it's the same thing. You just saw in the gospel coalition's piece.

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He's saying the same thing No, Jim Crow laws racism terrorism or segregation and praise the lamb, you know, but what's the vision before God's throne?

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I mean, it's it's every tribe tongue nation all of that Well, what does he do? He repost the article from Virgil Walker, which was a great article about MLK And you know, basically the real

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MLK is not a good guy He's bad theology. He's got a false gospel Owen Strawn same thing back in 2014, you know, he's grateful for MLK and And his

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Pete a man who peaceably bent the world to the racial ethics of Scripture May we work towards the same end and then he repost

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Virgil Walker's thing yesterday that This article critical of MLK so you have a shift going on Charlie Kirk I would say, you know evangelical on on the right and as well as the political, right and You know for years praising

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MLK on his Twitter We need more MLK unless Jesse Jackson Which is funny to me because the reason

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Jesse Jackson is where he is is because of his association with MLK if you think about It that's why just just go on Google and type in Jesse Jackson MLK do an image search and see you know

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He was with him all the time MLK was a hero non -violence leads to redemption and the creation of a beloved community

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MLK. I mean, he's just quoting MLK It's his interesting one from 2019 where he goes after Joe Biden.

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It's it's this really I just thought this was such a stretch He's praising segregationist because he called

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John Stennis who opposed the Civil Rights Act and fought against MLK Day as a holiday man of character And courage, so you can't do that.

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Apparently if you oppose the MLK Day, you can't be a man of character and courage, right? And then what happens yesterday

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Charlie Kirk who was MLK a myth has been created and has grown totally out of control

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Right, but Charlie was the one watering the plant of that myth, right? I mean, so were a lot of people right?

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While he was alive most people disliked him yet today He is the most honored worship even the deified person in the 20th century today

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We are going to tell the truth and explain how the myth was born. Happy Monday Guys, that is an about face

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Don't don't Don't miss this That was a complete about face from Charlie Kirk.

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It was an about face from Owen Strand It was an about face from Josh Bice was an about face from Kate Shelman They're changing what they're saying about MLK.

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And by the way, I noticed yesterday There's less MLK stuff going around Which is interesting for an election year

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I remember the first episode I ever did on MLK was because all the Southern Baptist seminaries in 2019 had gotten together

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Where or they had made? They had given interviews I guess to Baptist press I think it was and they had all said how much

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King meant how he was a Baptist and he was solid in this and that and we're gonna celebrate him

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And it was this whole big shindig for MLK At it was every Southern Baptist seminary as I remember you don't see that I think crew posted something about it.

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Someone told me you know, there's a few ministries. It's not it's not like it was I don't know what that means exactly.

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I don't know if that's because On the left if it's because of the me too stuff. I don't know if on the right It's just because of the the heretical stuff, but I'm gonna talk about something

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Deeper today that or or or different today His actual views his policy views his social views and I think that on the right that is having an impact as well

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I think people are realizing he is not the person that they were led to believe or they thought now before we get there

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I do want to take some questions If there's anyone who is listening right now who's in the chat.

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I know there's two people streaming from patreon right now I'm just gonna you can put your microphone off and I'll come to you but otherwise

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I Am going to go to the just the comments and there's a lot of them I'm not gonna be able to get to all of them

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John you are You are brave to take on one of the sacred cows the last 50 years.

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Yeah. Well, you know it I'm becoming it doesn't take as much bravery because of the shift not to play it, you know downplay it

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I mean RFK jr. Just like two or three days ago Defended his father's surveillance of MLK, you know authorizing the surveillance of MLK by the

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FBI and he is being raked over coal so yes, obviously MLK is like he is the

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I Would say the top figure in all of American history to respect and to honor in the minds of our elites right now

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There's no doubt about that. But but I think it's becoming especially on conservative circles Less taboo to give some critiques my critique though.

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You're right Mike. I could treat maybe a little more hard -hitting Curious George says from what

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I've seen in the MLK worship is in conservative circles comes primarily from boomers Most younger people are either waking up to the reality of who he was or are indifferent

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I think that's probably true to some extent. It's the people who were Old enough or young enough when they didn't they lived through When they were kids some of this but it was like when when this process was kind of Becoming when

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MLK was in the process of becoming a legend when this when the cement was hardening around his legend

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They were coming of age and so that could be part of it I mean some people also you got to understand that there are people who lived in areas where there was racial real racial division and conflict and They do not look at those times fondly and many of them look at those times with guilt now

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There's obviously depending on where you lived and stuff a lot of my family in Mississippi They don't have any of that, you know, I talked to the older ones and I mean they got along great with their black neighbors

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It wasn't something that affected them as much but there were people especially in more urban areas whether in the northern cities or in the south who who did experience some things and you know, they don't look fondly on those times and So MLK has become a symbol of those times going away

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Now I think the results the cure has been worse than the disease in a way you can just look around you today

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I mean, where are the education standards? Where are that? Where are the crime? Where's the out of wedlock births where you know?

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All the metrics you would use to judge a civilization are in the tank compared they were to where they were in the 60s

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You know people on welfare, you know, whatever standard you want to use it's it's worse and You know white flight did not make it any better It's just so so anyway,

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I think you're right though. I think that might be part of the reason so Well, my brother actually has his microphone off I wasn't expecting this but I'm gonna let him come on the podcast here for a minute

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And then I'll get back to the slideshow here Hey No, there's a in East Tennessee we got snow like we got so much snow that everything shut down for like a week

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Wow Well, we got it right now, but it's not it's probably like an inch.

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I don't know what's going on with your speaker But there's some feedback and it's pretty bad. So yeah move your mic or something.

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I don't know Okay All right. Yeah, go ahead. You got your true script on stuff.

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Yeah, I'm working on working on stuff today No, I was just gonna say that so I worked for about five years in like an inner -city school district

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So MLK Day I mean there were events around MLK Day and every school that you walked into like the school

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I worked out for several years you would walk in and like there would be a giant MLK staring down at you from the ceiling and every single classroom had a portrait of him

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It was really clear like this because there's no there's no Jesus There's no, you know, there's no other

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American like prominent American figure You know being placed throughout the schools and this was like in Tennessee.

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This isn't as common but like an inner -city school districts That's really really really typical and when

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I noticed like going through and also going through like teaching history Because because this is sort of the civil rights like MLK Day, I guess

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I'm okay I guess this is birthday. I guess we're celebrating his birthday, but the MLK holiday that schools get off is

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The civil rights holiday like that's that's the like thematically. That's sort of what it represents and You know, so you'll like there'll be discussions of Malcolm X and other figures that are prominent would just always stick out to me it was

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Because you also hear like W. E. B. Du Bois some of these major figures, but Booker T. Washington I don't think

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I've ever had like a single student or Talk to any educator who has like read his book or knows almost anything about him, but if you go pre

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MLK When it comes to I don't know if you I guess you'd say like black issues

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Booker T. Washington was like the authority. He was considered that you know, his book was a bestseller It's you know,

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I think everybody should read it. It's excellent but MLK is sort of the replacement because When he when he came along and then when the holiday was instituted in 1983, it totally just it's like he doesn't exist

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It's really weird, but I don't know. That's just I was thinking as you don't do that. Yeah. Yeah So, I mean people who don't know you work in the public school system and have for a few years in both,

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New York And Tennessee, so you're seeing what actual kids on the ground are learning through the government education system

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And so you're verifying what I was saying that MLK is pretty much like a religious figure almost

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Very much. I would compare him to Mandela. So like in South Africa, it's very similar Mandela I mean

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Mandela is everywhere. There's portraits of him. He's a Christ like figure He's he's treated like and then oftentimes like when you hear

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I mean even like Glenn Beck when he talks about, you know He'll say Gandhi MLK Jesus It's always like in that that's the those are like the four

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Christ figures which you know three of those are 20th century figures and then The other one lived 2 ,000 years ago and continues to live.

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So It's like it's it's so it's so blatantly clear that it's like it's a neo religion

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It's a it's it's so religious in the way that like the reverence and like the way he's spoken about.

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I mean, I if I there was one office I would walk into when I worked in in the inner city and like the principal had in his study like a like a picture on the wall with MLK in heaven and like these kids like looking up at him like crying these tears and it said like he changed the course of history when heaven

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Received I'm like this is like Jesus. This is you've replaced Jesus with MLK. I mean, it's it's a

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It's it's a it's a thoroughly religious like reading of him a thoroughly religious

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You know outlook. Yeah, it's an establishment of religion, isn't it?

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No it's weird how the people who like really hate the lost cause mythology, they'll call it or even some of the like American exceptionalism and and some of the like stories of some of them may be apocryphal of George Washington and so forth

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Will readily accept this kind of thing like they have no problem Lionizing someone like MLK So yeah, it just goes to show you though.

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Obviously there's hypocrisy, but there's an agenda to Forward I think a certain view of egalitarianism and uses

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MLK to do that. He's the personification of it I think you read I have not read it.

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I've heard some podcasts that talk about it but the book race war in high school, which talks about kind of the implementation of Civil rights laws in I think it's a high school in Long Island if I'm not mistaken or New York.

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Yeah Brooklyn is an absolute nightmare an absolute disaster and I know we're dealing with the effects of that if you want to say a brief word on that go for it, and then we'll

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I mean, it'll it'll open your I You know, I was

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I guess I listened to somebody read it but I don't Martyr made

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I can't remember his name, but that podcast series he did a series on Like sort of civil rights era riots and I learned a lot of stuff from his series that I didn't know or I sort of loosely knew but Post when

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MLK died, I guess that would be like historically speaking most for whatever reason I think it's just because we move on to the summer of 2020 will probably be like this, too

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It might be kind of like memory hold but the summer of 68 was And then over the next

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I can't remember which year the New York the Newark riots were but like we grew up I grew up close to We both grew up close to Newark, New Jersey, and it's an extremely depressed place.

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It's very Like you can just feel the heaviness in the air. It's it's you know, it's poor but it's also just it's very

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Just very dingy. It's very things are falling apart and you know people you try to avoid it if you can

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It's just not a place you really want to be What I didn't know is that in like following Martin Luther King's death.

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There was a riot there. That was so It went on for a very long time. They had to bring the military in And there were there were snipers on the roof.

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It was basically a it was basically a war. There was a there was a you know a

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Internal insurrection, I guess going on in that city and those Similar events went on all throughout the country following MLK's Death so he's kind of used and like he's dead

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So it's hard to like blame him for what happened after that But the reaction to his death wasn't oh, we're gonna keep on, you know doing exactly what he did.

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We're good. It was Incredible it was basically insurrections and and violence that went on for several years and 1968 was was unreal

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I mean it was that's one of the reasons why so many people moved out of urban areas into suburban areas So race were at high school.

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I can't remember. I think it's Washington. I want to say Washington or Arlington High School It's in Brooklyn, but it's a very

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It's a very interesting like zoomed in sort of this is what it was like on the ground level during that time period

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And you just get the sense that okay This when these when these when the whole movement like played out

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It was disastrous for almost everybody involved Because it was forced because it was a forced thing.

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I mean, I at least that's what I think I think that's why it was such a disaster But you don't get any of that.

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Most people are completely unaware of The incidents following his death and what that like even the the policies that he was like pushing so hard How did these actually play out?

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Were they good for society? Were they bad for society? You know, yeah, so so I just posted it if people want to read it

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They could check it out race war in high school. I have not read all of it, but it is free on Archive .com

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or org All right. Yeah. Well, thanks Dave. You want to plug anything true script? Yeah, I mean

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I'm working on something right now about the flood So I'm gonna try to have that up this afternoon.

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Was it global or was it local? Oh, that's uh, What's the guy's name? Someone just Gavin Ortlund Gavin Ortlund.

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Yeah, he just posted something about it It's just a local event. And yeah, I was like, oh

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Boy yeah, I said this morning like one thing that as I'm looking into Just because for whatever reason post 2020 there hasn't been a lot of discussion about origins, which is weird because when

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I was in college, which is a day, you know, almost a decade ago now, but That was the like primary discussion topic was something things to do with origins whether it was evolution and then among Christians It would be like well is the earth old is it and there was a constant need to like mesh

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Whatever you were being taught in class with what you're reading in the Bible and the overwhelming majority of students They just apostatized when they got to college.

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I went to a secular University. So that's what I experienced but I mean my theory is that it seems like the overall arguments kind of moved into the kovat realm during The pandemic because those arguments kind of ceased like nobody was talking people weren't talking about, you know

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The flood and was it local or how old is the earth and day age theory? It just hasn't really been a topic of conversation and said we were arguing about vaccines

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We were arguing about Masks whether or not you're six feet from somebody if you can give them a virus like those were the those were the arguments instead

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It's I think they're they're basically the same argument because you either Believe the mainstream you believe what you're being told like whether it was in, you know elementary middle and high school about Geology and biology and where the earth came from and all that or you believe the biblical narrative and your assumptions are gonna put you to very different places, so It's just interesting as you like go into Well, this guy's saying this and then it doesn't take very long

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I'm like, oh he was also like soft peddling everything when it came to covet and he was pushing the vaccine and he was there's like a direct line a direct parallel between those interesting

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Subjects. So anyway, yeah. Yeah, very interesting. All right Well, thank you this afternoon probably by like 4 p .m.

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Eastern Time All right, sounds good. If people want to support truth script then go to truth script calm and that's where you can see the article

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All right. Well, we're gonna continue here and talk about The Oh Jake Starbuck for $2 says

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Lincoln and MLK are the idols of the US religion. Okay, I wanted to just mention that and If you have any questions put them in the comment box

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We're gonna continue here with our Foray into all things

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MLK. There's a lot more. I have to share. I said this was gonna be a long one and It definitely is gonna be a long one so There's a book called the radical king.

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Someone asked me yesterday said John what book would you recommend people look at if they want to?

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Know the king the real king of the left or the king the king we don't hear about Because all we hear about is pretty much this one speech where he says all men are created equal and He wants a colorblind society and it's patriotic.

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And so what can you tell me that? would contradict or at least show that you know

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MLK wouldn't have been so opposed to the The woke stuff that we're dealing with today and I said I would look at the radical king by Cornel West now

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Cornel West obviously super woke So it's not from a conservative perspective

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I mean most books in academia, especially are written by people who are not conservative So as a conservative you have to learn to navigate that but the reason that I recommended it was because it's primarily just primary sources

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It's just speeches from MLK And so it's him in his own words and Cornel West is pretty much just the editor

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But the way he introduces it I want to read this for you. This is the introduction to the book He says the

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FBI transcripts of June 27 1964 phone conversation reveals Malcolm X received a message from Martin Luther King jr

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This message supported the idea of getting the human rights to clip Declaration of the United Nations to expose the unfair vicious treatment of black people in America Malcolm X replied that he was eager to meet

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Martin Luther King jr As soon as the next afternoon if they had met that day and worked together

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The radical King would be well -known in a speech to staff in 1966 King explained there must be a better distribution of wealth and maybe

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America must move towards a democratic socialism If he had lived and pursued this project the radical

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King would be well -known on April 4th 1968 in Memphis the last day of his life

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Martin Luther King jr phoned Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta and the title of his sermon why

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America may go to hell if he had preached this sermon the Radical King would be well -known. I Want to suggest to you that Martin Luther King and Jeremiah, right aren't actually all that different in the conservatives talking heads today on the media would probably

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Try to tell you that actually they're on completely opposite sides of the political landscape, but I'm here to tell you that no they would not have that they weren't they really just weren't and It's based on what you're going to be reading here.

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So first heretical religious teachings will start there most people probably watching this podcast know about this by now, but He was ecumenical.

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He said in a March 22nd 1959

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He prayed and he said Oh gracious Heavenly Father We thank thee for the fact that you've inspired men and women in all nations and in all cultures

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We call you different names some call the Allah some call you Elohim some call you Jehovah Some call you Brahma and some call you the unmoved mover.

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Some call you architect. I can't even say that Ark Architectonic good, but we know that these are all names for one in the same

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God So very ecumenical obviously right there.

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That's a deviation from orthodoxy blatantly. So When he was marching in Selma, Alabama he marched with Protestants Catholics and Jews and he says this and then he says that This was he calls it a second

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Great Awakening of the church in America So the second Great Awakening is a march with Protestants Catholics and Jews for some kind of a civil rights initiative

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So that's ecumenical. That's you're broadening who counts as a saved individual or a

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Christian based upon their political stance instead of based upon their faith in the

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Lord Jesus Christ He also and I think there's more than just this one quote, but if you look at what he said about the

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Trinity He's all over the place. One of the things he says about the Holy Spirit is he says the Holy Spirit is the continuing community

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Creating reality that moves through history. He works against he who works against communities working against the whole of creation

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So he basically it it's almost like a panentheistic idea. It seems like the

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Holy Spirit is Not a person. He's this force within the community a community that's working for social action

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He also obviously believed in the social justice gospel. He wrote a Coretta Scott in 1952

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Let us continue to work and pray that in the future We will live to see a warless world a better distribution of wealth and a brotherhood that transcends race or color

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This is the gospel that I will preach to the world That's obviously not the Christian gospel He said in letter from Birmingham jail is organized religion to Extricably bound to the status quo to save our nation in the world

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Perhaps I must turn my faith to the inner spiritual church the church within the church as the true ecclesia and hope of the world

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So he's saying that the people who go to church who are Christians Who they may have faith in the

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Lord Jesus Christ, but because they don't agree with him politically on immediate action an immediate end to Segregation and other things they are not they they're disqualified from being part of the church

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So you see there that only with a false gospel. Does that even make sense? He had a faulty

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Christology. He said in 1968 This is right before his death Jesus started operation breadbasket and the first sit -in movement

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Jesus according to King also had a glow of the divine now if you've studied any of the liberal theologians when they say glow of the divine

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They're not they're saying he's not divinity. He's got divinity in him. He's got a glow of it

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He's a sense of it, but it's also a sense we can have now I only point out that language to say that you know in in the late 50s when he was at Boston College He had written or maybe was the mid 50s, but he had written

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Make or rather the humanity and divinity of Jesus and people often point to that and say he was a heretic because he denied

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Who Jesus was but you see language you see little things throughout his life that say yeah There's no reason to believe he changes his view on that now.

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Let's talk about his social views and his political views All right. This is the meat here Marley and I'm gonna do a lot of reading here, but pay attention

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This is this is important stuff if you're trying to figure this whole MLK thing out Now in order to answer the question,

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I should say where this is from first. This is from Where do we go from here chaos or community it's a book from 1967 by MLK He says now in order to answer the question, where do we go from here?

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Which is our theme? We must first honestly recognize where we are when the Constitution was written a

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Strange formula to determine taxes and representation declared that the Negro was 60 % of a person

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Today another curious formula seems to declare he is 50 % of a person now I did a whole podcast on the three -fifths compromise.

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That's just not true It is not anything close to what they were negotiating as far as representation is concerned

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They weren't saying he's 60 % of a person But but he then goes on to say that you know things haven't changed that much

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I guess it's only a 10 % difference because today is only 50 % of a person of the good things in life The Negroes are approximately one half of those of whites

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Okay, so of the bad things of life He has twice those of whites thus half of all

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Negroes live in Substandard housing and Negroes have half the income of whites when we turned to the negative experiences of life

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The Negro has a double share There are twice as many unemployed the rate of infant mortality among Negroes is doubled out of whites and there are twice as many

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Negroes dying in Vietnam and so he goes on and on it's all disparities, right? It's all the things you're used to hearing in 2020 that look this the housing

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The housing, oh, you know home ownership and house income and salaries and all these other things savings

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There's a disparity white people on the whole have more now, of course, they don't separate out

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You know Jewish people have a whole lot more than your stand, you know standard white people from Europe You have you know

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Indian people have more than white people in certain ways

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You have different, you know kinds of white people you have people in Appalachia are I mean you they'll give pretty much anyone in the inner city a run for their money when it comes to access to health care and diseases and I mean there's there's so many disparities, but But this was used as a way to say something unfair has happened here something very unfair though because the reason for these disparities is because of oppression and So in order to correct that oppression we must redistribute right?

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That was what we heard in 2020 MLK's building that same case And even saying and I want you don't miss this.

01:00:36

You're gonna see this all through MLK he's using these economic disparities to say that They they point to the idea that black people are only 50 % of a person.

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So in other words This society at the side the at the time that he lived was viewing them as half a person

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Now the other thing that I saw a whole lot in 2020 I still see it in Evangelical Christian circles is this idea that because you're for the

01:01:06

Imago Dei because you're for the image of God You must be for some social program. You must be for some political action and it's not action like, you know a

01:01:16

Necessarily abortion type like stopping abortion, which would be a correct application of that directly it is we need to increase access to things like Insurance and health care and education and That is what?

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It means government job trainings and WIC programs And if we don't do these things, then we somehow are not for the image of God MLK was crafting that very same argument when he was

01:01:49

Doing his activism that same argument. We keep hearing today

01:01:54

It just seems confusing and we've navigated this many times with Tim Keller and With JD Greer with David Platt with Matt Chandler and you know with so many

01:02:05

This was all be this is all part of the playbook. That's already been used So Yeah, so I'm calling this stuff conflict theory.

01:02:15

I mean I was trying to think of you know, what do I call this? I mean, this is an aspect because you'll see later Martin Luther King jr Will say that he doesn't adopt

01:02:21

Marxism or at least every aspect of Marxism but he adopts the key things really that are in that I would say are necessary for Marxism to To be implemented and in conflict fear is one of them.

01:02:33

And so there's this understanding that hey look There's a society that views black people as 50 % of a person and guess what the result is.

01:02:41

Well, they lag behind economically He also says we have notoriously been silent about the more than 700 million of American capital which props up the system of apartheid not to mention the billions of Dollars in trade and military alliances which are maintained under the pretext of fighting communism in Africa The life and destiny of Latin America are in the hands of the

01:03:00

United States corporations here We see racism and it's more sophisticated form neo -colonialism

01:03:06

Former generations could not conceive of such luxury, but their children now take this vision listen to this and Demand that it become a reality and when they look around and see

01:03:16

That the only people who do not share in the abundance of Western technology are colored people it is an almost inescapable conclusion that their

01:03:24

Condition and their exploitation are somehow related to their color and the racism of the Western white world.

01:03:30

So what is he saying? corporations global trade patterns Military defense against communism

01:03:39

All of this stuff is creating a situation where only white people have access to technology that makes their lives better and people in South Africa who aren't white in other parts of the world don't have that same access and So, you know, what's the solution you're bringing up the problem?

01:03:57

What's gonna be the solution the problem? Generally the way you diagnose the problem is gonna drive the solution well, of course if the problem is racism if the problem is 700 million of American capital that's going to South Africa because of trade then we got to stop trading with South Africa, right?

01:04:11

We got to make sure that because of what they do either because of their policy that we're not benefiting them

01:04:16

In that way, and of course history has played out and we've seen exactly what's happened to South Africa when the

01:04:22

United States and started started under I think Jimmy Carter, but they started putting sanctions on South Africa and It is a mess in South Africa today

01:04:35

We I mean look at Rhodesia if you really want a clear picture of what that does and MLK does talk about Rhodesia not

01:04:40

In this quote, but in other quotes, he saw Rhodesia as a problem, too I mean the cures were worse than the disease

01:04:48

Rhodesia is a horrible place to live the standards went down for everyone and so is South Africa in many ways compared to what it used to be and This is the result of MLK's thinking being put into action

01:05:03

He also called he called northern ghettos Colonial areas, so there's a post colonialism to MLK like that.

01:05:10

It's the West It's these colonial empires colonial people white people European people against Indians and Native Americans and black people and of course black people especially is who he advocated for and And so he views everything this way even

01:05:29

You know Jewish Landlords in Chicago were viewed this way. They are color. They're colonizers basically because of the way they sent they set rent prices

01:05:39

So this is these are his social views He also had a very strong black in -group preference.

01:05:46

Now. I want to say something about this This is how you know the I have a dream speech

01:05:51

Was for a broad audience It was meant to be televised and it was meant to go far and wide and it was meant

01:05:59

Martin Luther King jr If you read enough of his writings you become intimately familiar with the fact that he was very conscious about how white people thought of him

01:06:08

He didn't even want to use the term black power because he thought it would scare them away, right? He wanted their approval he and he was good at it.

01:06:16

I was will say and That speech I think was

01:06:22

And I'm not the only one who thinks this was Intentionally phrased in such a way to gain as much white support or people who you know weren't black their support in the

01:06:33

United States as possible for civil rights initiatives and and so what

01:06:39

I'm about to read sounds like it's in contradiction to it because It and maybe

01:06:45

Martin Luther King jr. Wouldn't have seen the contradiction I don't think he would have and I don't think the people marching with him would have either because there is this this sort of Way, you still see it today with the left

01:06:56

Where there there'll be a heavy in -group preference for Jewish people for pretty much everyone who's not white can have an in -group preference

01:07:02

What do I mean by that? You only marry among yourselves. You you know, you only do business with each other

01:07:08

You only hire each other you you make sure you support each other in every way you can You give preference so so if you had let's say you're an employer and you had two people apply one of them's black one of them's

01:07:21

Chinese you're gonna hire the black person, right? If you're if you're a black employer, that would be an in -group preference

01:07:27

If all other things being equal, okay, so Martin Luther King jr. Was was very strong on in -group preference and you see a lot of the leftists today are like that You know you have to they'll shake, you know,

01:07:38

Al Sharpton will shake down a company and they have to support Black people in that neighborhood.

01:07:45

They have to do business with You know you if you were how you had let's say like a garbage

01:07:51

Service that was owned by Italians. It now has to be black owned or else you're going to be boycotted, right? You're gonna be destroyed and the media is gonna show up Martin Luther King jr

01:08:00

Was the one who started doing those kinds of tactics and he did it in a number of like 15 cities or so it was a bunch of cities where operation breadbasket was they were doing that kind of thing and It's to benefit a certain group, right?

01:08:14

That that would seem I think in the in the mind of most normies. It would seem to contradict Wait a minute.

01:08:19

I have a dream speeches is we a colorblind society and this is blatantly seeing color.

01:08:25

Yes That's the point guys. That is the point. You've got to be able to see this if you don't see this then

01:08:33

Politically, you're gonna just have your clock cleaned by the left every time because they play on that side of you

01:08:39

They play on that side of like that that honors fairness that wants to get along that one.

01:08:44

Hey, let's let's just all be Americans No one's gonna judge anyone else based on any external factor and then what they do in principle and or in action what they practically do is not that and They will then tell you that you are expected if you are

01:09:03

You don't even have to be white You could just be a conservative to be quite honest with you if you are Politically on the right they will tell you that you must support those blatantly preferential initiatives

01:09:16

In order to support equality because it's over it's correcting. It's over correcting form in inequality, right?

01:09:23

Martin Luther King jr. Was about this from day one. He was about this kind of thing.

01:09:29

That's that's the That's the frustrating thing for me to get people to see because they're so focused on this one line in the eye of a dream

01:09:36

Speech and they can't see this All right I've built

01:09:42

I've built up everyone's anticipation. What did he say? Here's a few things Indeed one of the great problems that the

01:09:48

Negro confronts in his lack of power from the old Plantations of the south to the newer ghettos of the north the

01:09:53

Negro has been confined to a life of voicelessness and powerlessness Stripped of the right to make decisions concerning his life and destiny

01:09:59

He's been subject to the authoritarian and sometimes whimsical decisions of the white power structure now You're getting hints of the hey, you need us.

01:10:06

You need us. You can't do it on your own. You're subject to us Right that lack of responsibility.

01:10:11

We see you're seeing hints of it here The plantation and the ghetto were created by those who had power both to confine those who had no power and to perpetuate their powerlessness now the problem of transforming the ghetto therefore is a problem of power a

01:10:25

Confrontation between the forces of power demanding change and the forces of power demanding to the preserving of the status quo now

01:10:32

Power properly understood is nothing but the Ability to achieve purpose it is the strength required to bring about social political and economic change

01:10:41

Walter Ruther defined power one day. He said power is the ability of a Labor Union like the

01:10:48

UAW to make the most powerful corporation in the world General Motors say yes when it wants to say no

01:10:53

That's power This is where you get the shaking down of the corporations And by the way

01:10:59

Where are all the Christians like David French and Russell Moore and Karen Swallow Pryor who complain about in Bethlehem or about?

01:11:06

Christians shouldn't be about power, but yet they'll honor MLK who was all about power The hypocrisy knows no limit

01:11:14

These people on the Christian left these people that so many follow and think are great sages they are they are pawns of The larger political left and they are being they are

01:11:29

Funded and then well impart partially funded but they are supported They are platformed in order to try to make us more conservative evangelicals and our political goals

01:11:42

Fail, that's the only reason and you can see it in this kind of stuff when you're like, wait a minute I mean all about power

01:11:47

How come them all they love MLK, but that's all he was about and then you have Stephen Wolf talks about Christians Not even white people just Christians should pursue power.

01:11:56

It's like oh we shouldn't do that Here's another one no one has ever heard the

01:12:01

Jews publicly chant a slogan of Jewish power, but they have power Through group unity determination and creative endeavor.

01:12:08

They have gained it. Hey, that's the in -group preference The same thing is true of the Irish the Italians neither group has used a slogan of Irish or Italian power

01:12:16

But they have worked hard to achieve it. This is exactly what we must do I said we must use every constructive means to amass economic and political power.

01:12:25

This is the kind of legitimate power we need we must work to build racial pride and refute the notion that the

01:12:31

Black is evil and ugly, but this must come through a program not merely through a slogan

01:12:36

It is necessary to understand that black power is a cry of disappointment The black power slogan did not spring full -grown from the head of some philosophical

01:12:45

Zeus It was born from the wounds of despair and disappointment It is a cry of daily hurt and persistent pain for centuries

01:12:52

The Negro has been caught in the tentacles of white power Many Negroes have given up faith in the white majority because white power with total control has left them empty -handed

01:13:00

So in reality the call for black power is a reaction to the failure of white power

01:13:05

You want to talk about power dynamics, right? Which is what CRT is all about MLK was all about that and you know, and you have conservatives today

01:13:14

MLK he wouldn't have been he wouldn't have been for that. He was against CRT Yeah Well a lot of the elements of CRT you see squarely in MLK Including this this obsession with power and by the way, a lot of things he says there's actually some truth to this

01:13:28

I mean he's power there is like a sense in which I'm not validating all his history or you know the power to the exclusion of other factors

01:13:39

But you know power is something that need that that has to be pursued on a political and social level

01:13:46

To have control and and I mean, this is just a reality of life politics is power

01:13:52

There's no to getting away from that MLK understood that But you see him endorsing here the black power movement and he didn't want to use the term

01:14:00

He wanted to call it like black equality or something. He said that's what we're about We're trying to we're all we're trying to do is pursue equality

01:14:05

But what effectively was he doing in order to pursue equality there had to be a strong in -group preference and that meant destroying businesses that That stood in the way

01:14:17

Getting government to stand in and create laws that would force this kind of equality that he's talking about here

01:14:25

And of course that brings us into the egalitarian instinct the views on equality that MLK had when the church is true

01:14:31

He said to its nature It says whosoever will let him come and it is not supposed to satisfy the perverted use of the drum major instinct

01:14:40

It's the one place where everybody should be the same standing Before a common master and Savior and a recognition grows out of this that all men are brothers because they are children of a common father

01:14:50

The drum major instinct can lead to exclusivism in one's thinking and can lead to the feeling

01:15:00

One to feel rather that because he has some training he's a little bit better than the other person All right.

01:15:05

I'm gonna just summarize this what he's saying is that Look at the church and he's talking about in the context here broadly speaking.

01:15:11

He's talking about social realities and he's saying well Look at the church If you go in the church, you know, like Robert E Lee said the ground is level at the foot of the cross

01:15:18

We all have one master So no one can tell someone else that they have that there's a hierarchy or an authority structure here

01:15:25

They can't say that they're better in any way because they have training, right? He's saying that well, that's wrong that that is an egalitarian instinct

01:15:32

And if that is led to its ultimate conclusion, then you have chaos Obviously MLK didn't believe that because he was part of a hierarchy himself, you know, his organization had him at the top, right?

01:15:43

So so he didn't even believe this in in the way he acted but this was the philosophy that he appealed to and this is the acid that we see eating away at American institutions

01:15:55

He believed in I would say a rudimentary version of white privilege Of course, they didn't use the word back then but listen to this He said the large majority of the human race is non -white yet.

01:16:03

It is the large majority that lives in hideous poverty while millions enjoy an unexampled opulence in developed nations 10 ,000 people die of hunger each and every day of the year in the underdeveloped world to assert white supremacy to invoke white economic military power to maintain the status quo is to foster the danger of an international race war

01:16:23

And this is on the u .s. Trading with South Africa who so he's he's not talking about lynching, right?

01:16:28

He's he's talking about allowing companies in the United States to trade with South Africa what that does he believes is impoverish them and it's big it's establishes the white supremacy in South Africa and it invokes white economic and military power and because and this so this is a

01:16:49

You know white whiteness being white carries with it a certain kind of privilege with it you're not impoverished as much

01:16:58

That that's and it's on the basis of your white Abortion for the

01:17:03

Negro. He said and this is just a clip from the speech, but he says for the Negro Therefore intelligent guides of family planning are a profoundly important ingredient in this quest for the security and of a decent life

01:17:14

This is a speech to Planned Parenthood in 1966 They gave him an award and he had his wife come and deliver a whole entire speech you can go read that speech on Planned Parenthood's website, and I did he was pro abortion guys and There's just no question about it and it was all though on the basis of you know

01:17:31

They need access to these services because of equality Social views on historical revisionism and and the the formatting gets changed a little bit when

01:17:42

I upload it to stream yards So sorry about that But those who I did post I'll post it again

01:17:47

I can't okay So I did post earlier in channel that the link if you want to get this

01:17:54

PowerPoint anyway I'm not gonna go through all of this, but I'm gonna paraphrase some of this for you

01:18:01

Martin Luther King admired Du Bois who my brother just talked about and DuBois the contribution he thought

01:18:10

DuBois made was that DuBois showed that White that the history of black people in America had been perverted by white people essentially

01:18:21

That there was a lot of things to emphasize in black history and that it need an emphasis he said that they meaning white people corrupted

01:18:32

Negro history when they distorted American history because Negroes are too Big a part of the building of this nation to be written out of it without destroying a scientific history and so you so he's saying so one of the things that he thinks needs to happen is

01:18:46

History needs to be taught differently. And so this is a very long quote, which I'm not gonna go through But he he talks about all these people many of them you have not heard of Who made different contributions some of them very legitimate contributions like for instance he talks here about Let's see

01:19:10

Nor Norbert, I don't even if I can pronounce this name relu I think it's it's a French name whose invention of an evaporating pan cotton began to totter

01:19:21

Or no, sorry. I read that wrong. I read the wrong line It's too you see the principle is too small for me Norbert relu who is invention of an evaporating pan revolutionized the process of sugar

01:19:30

Refining. Okay. There you go. There's a bunch of stuff like that Granville Woods an expert at electric motors There's all these black figures now.

01:19:37

Here's the thing about it when you are teaching history because I've done this surveys of history It is impossible

01:19:43

You cannot focus on everyone and what we've seen over the last few years is these obscure?

01:19:49

Characters are being pulled out of the woodwork in order to diversify the teaching of history

01:19:56

So, you know, I remember this even gets into homeschooling. I remember when I was a kid I think it was like a Becca was doing was talking about this and It's not wrong to mention

01:20:05

I think was Christmas a tux and I'm not mistaken, you know, they got died at the Boston Massacre, it's not wrong to mention that You know, maybe

01:20:12

I'm not against you know mentioning that but it's like mentioning in every

01:20:18

Making all of history about that is the problem So this is this is a

01:20:23

Marxist. Honestly, it's a history from the ground up. It's a Marxist kind of approach Where the things that we emphasize are not those who made significant contributions the most significant contributions

01:20:35

It's not those who had the most political power It's those who were on the margins who were ignored so If you're gonna talk about Henry Ford, you got to talk about someone who's black who was a figure not as important, but Also made some contribution to the automobile industry that kind of thing.

01:20:55

This is the revisionism now It's called memory studies that we see today. That's promoted by critical race theorists

01:21:02

Martin Luther King jr. Was was doing this and and this doesn't really lend itself to much of a national unity if you notice like The the purpose of this is to specifically again.

01:21:13

It's the in -group preference It's to highlight the achievements of black people and now and now look, I don't think it's wrong to do that I think actually we should

01:21:19

I've made the argument before I think if you want a national unity You should focus on different kinds of people but based on their contributions to the country as a whole

01:21:31

So, you know did MLK make some contributions he did but I mean they're way overplayed Who would be a good man of good character and good standing for you know for a hero for for kids and others

01:21:45

Who made significant contributions who also happened to be which is how I phrase it from the black community

01:21:50

Well, I think my brother just mentioned Booker T. Washington would be one revolutionized education he for black education and and that not only revolutionized education for black people but it also made major contributions to the

01:22:07

United States in the south through one of the professors who taught their Booker T Washington and What he did with peanuts and I mean, there's so much to talk about there

01:22:15

But again If you taught that scenario, you're not taking something obscure and then trying to make it the main thing

01:22:23

You're you're talking about something that is significant and and that's that's kind of in my view

01:22:29

That's the issue with changing the way his history is surveyed for people in school now

01:22:34

It's basically not even a history class. It's not an American history class it's a diversity history class where you just learn about all the people that were oppressed in some way or supposedly oppressed and How bad they had it and that's all history is now and an

01:22:49

MLK certainly Helps get the ball rolling I would say in that direction Now political beliefs on economics.

01:22:57

This is what probably most people are interested in. Hey, was he a socialist was he was he not? Well, he believed in economic equality said with Selma and the voting rights bill one era of our struggle struggle came to a close

01:23:08

And a new era came into being now our struggle is for genuine equality, which means

01:23:13

Economic equality That's from all labor has dignity 1968 is right before he died and this is one of the things that conservatives who like to lionize

01:23:23

MLK completely miss They think and you saw it with that PragerU video, which was terrible

01:23:29

They think that well the equality was realized with MLK. There was nothing left to do.

01:23:35

So all these Agitators today. They're not standing on the legacy of MLK Actually, I would beg to differ because it literally says

01:23:44

MLK himself said that yeah Yeah, we have voting rights. Our struggle came to a close.

01:23:51

This is a 1968. Is that the Civil Rights Acts? You know, I struggle came to a close. We're good on that. But guess what we need to do now

01:23:56

We need to fight economic inequality Isn't that what we're dealing with now? How about the war on poverty?

01:24:04

He said now that we've we've got What we've got to do is to attack the problem of poverty and really mobilize the forces of our country to have an all -out war against poverty

01:24:13

Because what we have now is not even a good skirmish against poverty I need not remind you that poverty the gaps in our society the gulfs between inordinate superfluous wealth and abject deadening poverty

01:24:24

Have brought about a great deal of despair a great deal of tension a great deal of bitterness We've seen this bitterness expressed over the last few summers in the violent

01:24:32

Explosions in our cities and the great tragedy is that the nation continues in its national policy to ignore the conditions that brought the riots of the rebellious into being in its final analysis the riot is the language of the unheard and That was quoted by Walter Strickland, by the way in 2020 because he said oh the

01:24:50

BLM riots It's a language of the unheard. And what is it that America's failed to hear?

01:24:56

It's failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years It has failed to hear the promises of justice and freedom have not been met that last line needs to hang in your mind the promises of justice and freedom have not been met and he's not talking about just access to voting or Drinking fountains.

01:25:14

He's talking about economic inequality. You got to see this You've got to see this the promises that America's said we

01:25:22

America said we're gonna have freedom and justice for all all men are created equal and That is now translated into economic equality and it hasn't been achieved

01:25:32

So we got to do something about it. This is during Johnson's war on poverty The things that destroyed the black community

01:25:39

Martin Luther King jr. Supported. He was one of the champions of them The war on poverty has been devastating for the black community

01:25:48

Wealth redistribution, but in spite of the shortcomings of his analysis Marx had raised some basic questions now

01:25:55

I'll talk about the shortcomings in a minute. I was deeply concerned. He says for my early teens about the gulf between Superfluous wealth and abject poverty and my reading of Marx made me even more conscious of this gulf

01:26:06

Although modern American capitalism had greatly reduced the gap through social reforms There was still a need for a better distribution of wealth

01:26:12

Moreover Marx had revealed the danger of the profit motive as the sole basis of an economic system

01:26:18

Capitalism is always in danger of inspiring men to more to be more concerned about making a living than making a life

01:26:26

What is he saying here? He's saying I if you read what he says previously, this is from Pilgrimage to non -violence from a book stride towards freedom the

01:26:35

Montgomery story by MLK so if you read the context what he's saying is that He doesn't like the fact that Marx was basically an atheist right or Marx Marx didn't have a spiritual underpinning for his views and And and because he doesn't like that and so Philosophically there's a disagreement there.

01:26:59

But what does he borrow from Marx? What does he like that Marx says? Well, he likes this class conflict stuff.

01:27:05

You know, he likes the fact that Marx is pointing out this big gap that exists that needs to be rectified economically and then we got to do something about it and our

01:27:13

System is not going to do something about it. So what does that mean guys? That means the government's got to step in And that's where you find this stuff welfare in the minimum wage a nation that continues year

01:27:25

After year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is Approaching spiritual death

01:27:31

America the richest and most powerful nation in the world can well lead the way in this revolution of values

01:27:36

There is nothing to prevent us from paying adequate wages to school teachers social workers and other servants of the public to ensure that we

01:27:43

Have the best available personal personnel in these positions and we are charged with the responsibility of guiding our future generations there is nothing but a lack of the social vision to prevent us from paying an adequate wage to every

01:27:56

American citizen whether He be a hospitable worker laundry worker maid or day laborer

01:28:01

There is nothing except short -sightedness to prevent prevent us from guaranteeing an annual income Annual minimum and livable income for every

01:28:09

American family There is nothing except a tragic death wish to prevent us from reordering our priorities So that the pursuit of peace will take precedence over the pursuit of war there is nothing to keep us from remolding a rock is a

01:28:20

Trent or recalcitrant status quo with bruised hands until we have fashioned it into brotherhood this kind of positive revolution of values is our best defense against Communism war is not the answer so instead of spending on military defense

01:28:37

We need to put money into social programs. We need to put money into welfare. We need to make sure we have a minimum wage

01:28:44

Affirmative action He says we must with affirmative action seek to remove those conditions of poverty and security and injustice

01:28:50

Which are the fertile soil in which the seed of communism grows and develops? These are revolutionary times all over the world or of the globe men are revolting against old systems of Exploitation and oppression and out of the wombs of a frail world new systems of justice and equality are being born

01:29:08

It's from 1967. He was for affirmative action Now when it comes to pacifism and anti I'm calling it anti -defense in anti -war

01:29:18

I never like that because it confuses things sometimes. I mean, there's people who are anti -war. I mean, no one likes war, right?

01:29:26

But there's I would say he was anti -defense. He didn't want defense spending. He didn't want any kind of measures

01:29:33

It just I shouldn't say any kind of measures, but let me read it and then I'll I'll analyze it This is during the

01:29:38

Vietnam era when he's saying this stuff Um 1959 for in a day when Sputniks and explorers are dashing through outer space and guided ballistic missiles are carving highways of death through the

01:29:48

Stratosphere no nation can win a war today is no longer a choice between violence and non -violence is either non -violence or non -existence

01:29:55

And this is in a sermon on Gandhi actually So he's saying basically if we apply

01:30:01

Gandhi's teaching to our foreign policy then We wouldn't have these ballistic missiles missiles

01:30:08

We have to choose non -violence So, you know, this is what they called it at the time nuclear proliferation and stuff like that.

01:30:14

They wanted to get rid of the nukes He was anti -victory in Vietnam and I say that on purpose because there are conservatives who didn't want to get in there but once you're in there like Barry Goldwater said you got a win and He said that there's so much he said

01:30:28

I'm only putting a little bit here but That the Vietnamese must see America as strange liberators The Vietnamese people proclaimed their own independence in 1945 after a combined

01:30:36

French and Japanese Occupation and before the Communist Revolution, they were led by Ho Chi Minh Even though they quoted the

01:30:42

American Declaration of Independence in their own document of freedom. We refuse to recognize them instead We decide to support France So this is all about You know

01:30:51

China's backing the North Vietnam and This is this is in what does he say?

01:30:59

This is 1967. So the Vietnam War is going on and He's saying that The way that the

01:31:05

Vietnamese view the Americans is that we're not really there to liberate anyone You know, we're basically the bad guys and here's his specific policy that he thinks we should do and all bombing in North and South Vietnam Declare a unilateral ceasefire in the hope that such action will create the atmosphere for negotiation

01:31:21

Take immediate steps to prevent all battlegrounds in Southeast Asia by curtailing our military buildup in Thailand realistically accept the fact that the

01:31:29

National Liberation Front is Substantial support in South Vietnam Let's see negotiate with them set a date when we will remove all foreign troops from Vietnam in accordance with the

01:31:39

Geneva Agreement And he said this is the the kicker as we counsel young men concerning military service

01:31:45

We must clarify for them our nation's role in Vietnam and challenge them with the alternative of conscientious objection

01:31:51

Basically draft dodge if you're drafted do not go that's what he's saying Now I don't know if this is true or not

01:31:58

I've heard many say that this is the reason that we did a podcast on who shot

01:32:04

MLK Not long ago. And the reason that it you know, it was it it was

01:32:12

Probably the government involved in this is because of this kind of stuff That's that's what people who have studied this more than me seem to think that it was because he was discouraging participation in the war

01:32:23

He was encouraging black people to draft dodge. I don't know if that's true or not but that is one of the theories that's out there and It's probably a decent theory since we're in speculation land anyway

01:32:35

This was not considered a position on the right at all And I think most conservatives understand that about MLK now the role of government for MLK was big government the anti I call it anti anti -communism because He was well, he was skeptical about people who were

01:32:56

Super anti -communist we saw that militarily Through trade and that kind of thing, which is one of the reasons that you know trade was open with South Africa They were anti -communist.

01:33:06

And of course when they became communist everything went south so a king Effectively, he did the communist bidding whether he was or or he wasn't one

01:33:16

He definitely helped their plan and his main disagreement with Marx was over Marx's spiritual views

01:33:22

So, you know, he bought into the class conflict stuff But he he talks about like how you know

01:33:28

Du Bois because he was a communist later in his life Is kind of dismissed and how that's wrong.

01:33:34

Basically, you can't just dismiss him now funny enough You know, you could apply this to people MLK didn't like, you know, you can say well slave owners, you know

01:33:42

Just because they did that doesn't mean that they should all be dismissed everything they but you know he I'm sure that logic wouldn't be the kind of logic he would buy into and he talks about it at one time he was at a he went to like a recital or a play or something and At the end they closed with singing

01:33:59

Dixie and he cried he went home and he cried about it because it wasn't a black spiritual They had you know that and he was upset about it

01:34:06

I mean the cancellation we're seeing today of everything southern it started with MLK stuff. It started with what

01:34:12

MLK was doing Totalitarian government basically, I mean that's really what he's and I say practically because again, he says things against a total government

01:34:22

But then he says stuff like this We broke that voting coalition in 1963 and 64 when the civil rights and voting rights laws were passed

01:34:29

We need to break it again by the size and force of our movement and the best place to do that is before the eyes

01:34:34

And inside the buildings of these same congressmen the people of this country if not The congressmen are ready for a serious economic attack on slums and unemployment as two recent polls have revealed

01:34:46

So we have to make Congress ready to act on the plight of the poor. This is in 1968. He's saying again that We we got this the civil rights stuff through in 63 and 64

01:34:58

But guess what we have to do we got to do something for the poor now So it's it's a redistribution scheme and who's gonna do it.

01:35:05

I mean, this is all at the national level This is all we got to create a political front a political

01:35:11

Resistance at the net not even a resistance. It's it's a political action At the national level to enforce some kind of an economic equality

01:35:21

That plays right into Marxism now. What about his tactics? We're winding down here, but his tactics

01:35:28

First of all, there's three things. I want to talk about immediacy is the first one So he talks about letter from the

01:35:35

Birmingham Jail how much he dislikes the moderate white person the white moderate he calls them because they agreed with him, but they didn't want him to Take a direct action as he calls it by obstructing things sit -ins, you know major protests, you know shaking down businesses walkouts

01:35:57

And of course, I would say that applies even to the violence. Although MLK was against the violence

01:36:04

They they thought that there was an organic way to approach this that That the kind of a quality that MLK wanted would be achieved in time or not actually the kind he wanted but at least the kind that broadly speaking he

01:36:19

Purported to want the that people were going to be treated as fellow Americans And that there wouldn't be the same kinds of rigid kind of distinctions between black and white and other communities

01:36:34

That that that would come with trust in time and you see this way You know, I've been more and more convinced that the government the national government came in right at the time this was actually taking place and Think about it this way think about the long view here of history you have slaves

01:36:52

Come over and it's not just slaves you have, you know other groups here as well immigrant groups and so forth But they come over and they live a life of slavery and there's generations of slavery and there's some of them get freed

01:37:03

Some of them even own slaves some of them start making their success stories that happen, but But but there is this kind of like, you know, they're they're not part of the the body politic, right?

01:37:16

and Then you have the Civil War and you have after that a period of time where the majority of black people in the

01:37:24

United States lived in the South and it's the conditions are horrible and they're being exploited at that time really more like by the

01:37:30

Republican Party for votes and you have the Union League and you have you have that's when the

01:37:36

Klan starts to to rise up and it's this terrible situation and all this mistrust is then built as Political mobility is given to black people it is then

01:37:49

It is used it is wielded by the political enemies of the people who live in those regions Right that most people who live in those regions

01:37:57

And so you have this resentment that starts building up over time, right? Yeah, and that's when you you start getting

01:38:03

I mean, there was already Jim Crow stuff in the north that's where it started but you start getting it more where most of the black people live you start getting in the

01:38:09

South and and then you have You know fast forward you have two world wars

01:38:15

You've World War one you've World War two and you start seeing something happening You start seeing

01:38:21

Southerners are being welcomed back into the Union so to speak as fellow

01:38:26

Americans They had to kind of prove themselves in war You also see though especially in World War two black people

01:38:33

And other groups start proving themselves. Hey, we're if we're gonna go to war we're willing to die for this place

01:38:39

They started gaining this this kind of respect and trust that has to be built with different groups of people when that's just a reality

01:38:46

Like it or not different groups of people don't immediately trust each other they have to there has to be common shared something and So shared experience in the war in wars are doing this then you have the rock and roll era and and you have

01:39:00

Integrations going on at Billy Graham crusades at Elvis Presley concerts, and it's just happening.

01:39:07

It's organically happening No one's forcing it. It's just happening and that's right when the government decides to swoop in and say

01:39:15

We're gonna have these civil rights acts. We're gonna force Whatever's left to do we're gonna force it and that's when you got the violence and the white flight and the less

01:39:24

You know education standards going down and all the things that we see today Happen and and so the people who are that Martin Luther King jr.

01:39:34

Is writing about here and letter to the Birmingham jail That there's white moderates That's what they're saying. They're saying look We're on a good track here trust is being built if you agitate if you force if you obstruct if you do this too quick if you if you use the federal the power of the federal government, you're going to end up with a

01:39:54

Cure that may be worse than the disease. Is that what happened historically?

01:40:00

You'd be the judge. I think a good book to read on. This would be Christopher Caldwell's book on on on Civil -rights era call the age of entitlement and you can figure out whether you think that that was maybe they were right

01:40:15

Who is history proven? Right? Was it MLK or was it the people who thought it should happen more organically?

01:40:22

So MLK and this is one of the things the revolutionary mindset has I would say at its core

01:40:27

Is this immediacy whatever's going on? The emergency is it must be done now? It and there are certain things that are like that, right?

01:40:35

I mean like abortions like that. I get murders wrong. Stop it It's not really that hard. There's other things that aren't like that though there's other maladies that if you do it immediately then

01:40:46

You might have The the trade -off isn't going to be worth it you have to think of the conditions that you're in and And some things are not

01:40:56

Necessarily like they're depending on circumstance even even people groups being separated.

01:41:01

You look in Israel and Gaza right now, you know Maybe there needs to be some separation.

01:41:07

I mean parents do this with kids, right when they're little like, okay Don't play together right now because you're fighting Oh, are we gonna like saying that's evil?

01:41:14

That's in inequality segregation, right? So their circumstances should drive some of this and I would

01:41:21

I would agree circumstances needed to change but the question is how and so Martin Luther King jr.

01:41:29

Believed in a strong Heavy -handed federal government imposing itself onto states and local communities in Areas where in some in many places there was trust already starting to be built

01:41:42

All right So community or and by the way, that's the that's the difference between a more progressive and a conservative instinct a conservative instinct is to try

01:41:50

To be as gradual as possible with most things not everything but obviously

01:41:57

Taking into account the fact that there are traditions that have been ingrained over time there are reasons for those things and It's a

01:42:06

Chesterton's fence moving moving the fence. The fence was erected for a reason. Why was the fence erect? We can examine that maybe it shouldn't have been

01:42:13

But it's there now and you know, the farm has been operating this way for a long time What's gonna happen when we remove the fence?

01:42:21

Those questions aren't asked by a revolutionary revolutionary just says destroy it and Basically forget about the consequences

01:42:29

Alright, so community organizing the second thing He said our citizenship education program continues to lay the solid foundation of adult education and community organizing

01:42:37

Upon which all social change which all ultimately rest. So education is what's gonna bring about social change

01:42:43

This isn't anything different from modern progressives He says this year 500 local leaders received training in Dorchester and 10 community centers through our citizenship education program and they were trained in literacy consumer education planned parenthood and Many other things our auxiliary feature of that program is the aid at which we give to poor communities

01:43:04

Poor counties and receiving and establishing the Office of Economic Opportunity projects. We've pioneered in the developing

01:43:10

Outstanding poverty programs totally controlled and operated by residents of the area so this this more like Holistic education now that you're seeing where schools aren't teaching the basics of like that We call them the basics but reading writing arithmetic, right?

01:43:23

They're now shifting to social things they're shifting to the purpose of education now is to make things equal and it's to You know give you access to Planned Parenthood.

01:43:34

I mean MLK was on the front line of this stuff So I this is the community organizing that Barack Obama was part of that.

01:43:41

That's what this is And then of course business shakedowns that was the other tactic here through operation breadbasket

01:43:48

We have now achieved for the Negro community of Chicago more than 2 ,200 new jobs with an income of approximately 18 million dollars a year new income to the

01:43:56

Negro community We've also developed financial institutions which were controlled by Negroes which were sensitive to the problems of economic deprivation

01:44:03

And he goes on and on he talks about basically how they've gone to chain stores And they've forced them to do business with Black businesses or to bank with black bankers or they've given money to black owned banks so that they can do business

01:44:18

More effectively and then they then they'll shake down the business. So you must do business with our bank and They did like here's a good example.

01:44:27

He says we discovered that seal test had 4042 employees and only 43 were

01:44:32

Negroes yet the Population in Cleveland was 35 % Negro, we refused to give us all they refused to give us all the information that we requested and we said in substance

01:44:43

Mr. Seal test. We're sorry. We aren't going to burn your store down We aren't going to throw any bricks in the window, but we are going to put picket signs around We are not going to put leaflets out and we are going to To our pulpits.

01:44:56

That was an establishment of religion, isn't it? I'm just being tongue -in -cheek and tell them not to sell seal test products and not to purchase seal test products

01:45:05

So they're going to boycott but they're gonna use the pulpits to do it. They're gonna use every effective measure.

01:45:10

They can because hey the percentage of employees doesn't Fit the percentage of the population here the ratio

01:45:19

And you know, it's not like they weren't hiring black people. They were they just didn't have enough and so that's

01:45:24

What you know, maybe they maybe there weren't enough black people interested in that business, maybe there weren't enough people qualified I mean, there's other factors that could be at play, but it doesn't matter

01:45:32

The only thing is getting it equal looking at the percentages and seeing if they're equal So these are the tactics he used it had to be done immediately it had to be done through really really government action and through these education initiatives and it also

01:45:49

We're going to force businesses. We're gonna do business shakedowns All right, so I only have a few slides left

01:45:56

I know this is a mega edition I'm gonna try to keep this under two hours, but the utopian MLK There's a number of quotes from MLK where he talks about world peace be that we could achieve it basically

01:46:09

It's not with Christ by the way, it is if the religions of the world are to bring about world peace Then we have to create the climate for it

01:46:17

They've got a rise to the level of not fighting among themselves so we can do this through our own action through ecumenical action

01:46:24

He talks about the family of man The whole human race will benefit when it ends the abomination that has dismissed the stature of man for too long

01:46:31

This is the task to which we are called by the suffering of South Africa and our global response should be swift and unstinting

01:46:38

Out of the struggle will come the glorious reality of the family of man And he taught he basically goes right into globalism

01:46:44

He says a genuine revolution of values means in the final analysis that our loyalties must become ecumenical rather than sectional

01:46:50

Every nation must now develop an overriding loyalty to mankind as a whole in order to preserve the best in the individual societies

01:46:57

So so and he goes on and on with this he talks about a worldwide fellowship That's beyond One's tribe race class and nation for an all -embracing and unconditional love for all men

01:47:09

I mean it is it is John Lennon's imagine a race all the boundaries or a this is

01:47:15

The interesting thing is he had this strong black in group preference but then he would say stuff like the universal stuff like well, we should just get rid of all distinctions and I'm telling you they he in the mind of a leftist

01:47:29

You have to rectify the inequality and then you're setting yourself up for the utopian scheme

01:47:35

So once black people are equal and you know, then then you won't have those things anymore. You can knock off the ladder

01:47:41

I guess you've climbed up. The problem is those ladders are pretty natural Most people have an in -group preference of some kind most groups.

01:47:48

I should say have an in -group preference of some kind Depends what the group is, right? Yeah, so so this is it would seem to be in conflict it's not though I'm telling you it's not

01:48:01

Now Let's see some more some of his influences. This is not all but some of his influences Walter Rauschenbush founder of the social gospel

01:48:08

He said Rauschenbush had done a great service to the church by insisting that the gospel deals with the whole man Not only his body but a soul but his body

01:48:15

And the material well -being Gandhi, of course, we've already talked about that He said that he believed that Gandhi was more than anyone else in the modern world caught the spirit of Jesus Christ and lived it more completely in his life

01:48:27

Gandhi, yeah more than anyone else Hegel he liked Hegel a lot. He talks.

01:48:32

This is a little philosophical But he says he's can take those contention that truth is the whole led me to a philosophical method of rational coherence

01:48:39

His analysis of the dialectical process in spite of its shortcomings helped me to see that growth comes through struggle what he's saying there is that Hegel's you have like synthesis thesis and then or rather thesis anti -synth antithesis and then synthesis

01:48:55

You think about like you have being non -being Becoming right that's like thesis antithesis synthesis.

01:49:01

Well, the truth is the whole the truth is all of those things and so He's what he's saying here is that he adopted this method and so in this method you have

01:49:14

You have like the proletariat you have the bourgeoisie and The truth is not in either the truth is kind of like a mixture of thing the truth is is the synthesis of those things so they come together and then you have a new group and And the way that history moves is through these these synthesis

01:49:32

So once you have a new synthesis, it becomes a thesis thesis antithesis synthesis the thesis antithesis synthesis you you have inequality you have equality inequality and Then you you you reach a synthesis that's more equal, but it's not quite there

01:49:48

So then that becomes the new kind of bookend, right? And so this is the way and this is a Marxist way of looking at it

01:49:53

But this is the way that he looked at social action. So Hegel was an influence on him.

01:49:59

I wanted to Show to just I'm not gonna read this whole thing, but it is scary how prophetic this is

01:50:06

This is I would say a true paleo conservative Samuel Francis. It's in Chronicles in that magazine 1988 in an article called the cult of dr.

01:50:15

King and it is available free online He talks about he makes a prediction based on the

01:50:21

MLK Day and he says that It's a brilliant piece. I have to say I can't Really go through all of it

01:50:28

But he's like listen to some of this like he basically says we're gonna have to have it We have a new national mythology when this gets passed and it's only a matter of time

01:50:37

He says it is merely a matter of time before the Confederate flag is surrendered along with local statues of Confederate veterans and heroes

01:50:43

Dixie and most other memorials of antebellum civilization Their passing may not be a cause for mourning by many outside the

01:50:50

South but or those in the South I mean amazing he could see that Dukes of Hazzard is still on TV and he's already saying this But the same logic that compels their abandonment reaches further the same argument that drives

01:51:01

Mr. Snyder who is I believe a Remembering the context of this article was a sports a coach or something who had made a comment.

01:51:09

He shouldn't have and it got canceled Cancel culture happened a long time ago. It started a long time ago, but The argument that drives mr

01:51:17

Snyder from his low but honest trade and pulls down a banner commemorating the last stand of a desperate people will demolish the obelisk in temples

01:51:24

That memorialize the major statesmen of the American nation we forfeited the rights to revere the

01:51:29

Constitution the government principles and mechanisms it established and the men who wrote it when we put dr

01:51:34

King into the pantheon the federalism the rule of law states rights Limits on majority rule checks and balances in the separation of powers that characterize the

01:51:42

Constitution are all Incompatible with the full blossoming of the egalitarian democracy that dr.

01:51:47

King Imagined it is one thing to say that dr King was a great man and an American great

01:51:52

American a man whose personal courage and vision despite his human flaws errors and enthusiasms Challenged lesser men of both races and forced them to confront evils falsehoods and in obsolete ways

01:52:02

However, it is quite another to say as the US government does say in creating a legal public holiday for him

01:52:09

That MLK was the most important American who ever lived at least the peer of George Washington the father of the country the only

01:52:16

American in history to have his birthday made a national holiday the man who is now first in the hearts of his countrymen

01:52:22

Those who don't remember because they weren't here for it the MLK holiday replaced I mean now you have

01:52:28

President's Day, but you used to celebrate Abraham Lincoln's birthday George Washington's birthday Now it's

01:52:34

President's Day in MLK Day this is a He was right he was 1988 he saw 2020 so exactly what was happening in 2020 and based on what based on if you make this the holiday this is what you're gonna do

01:52:51

Fascinating absolutely. How did he know? How did he know because he could see what I just presented to you in the last almost two hours

01:52:57

He could see that Martin Luther King jr. Represented egalitarianism and he goes on he talks about in this article that He's saying look if you

01:53:06

Evaluate quality in this one area. Why not every area? So you're talking about LGBT stuff. You're just you

01:53:12

You wouldn't have had the pride month if you didn't have first have an MLK holiday That's what he's saying

01:53:18

You wouldn't have Hispanic American month and black history month and all the other things they're trying to now put on our calendar that are

01:53:24

Basically sacred holidays. That's what holiday means If you didn't first have the MLK holiday,

01:53:29

I think that that's an amazing prediction and it's how did how did he get it? Right is really the question people need to ask.

01:53:34

How did he know this? So last slide and then I'll take questions and we'll wrap up the podcast

01:53:41

Was MLK successful? Was he successful now conservatives think oh, he's successful this

01:53:46

Voting Rights Civil Rights Act got passed. That was it He said though we have the power to make the church that institution that even young people who feel temporarily separated from it can respect

01:53:56

We can even get them to have a new loyalty because they'll know they are on the battle line for them

01:54:02

And they'll come to see that Jesus Christ was not a white man Christianity is not just a Western religion.

01:54:08

We can make the church we capture its authentic ring We have power to change America and give a kind of new vitality the religion of Jesus Christ Based on that quote

01:54:17

I wanted to ask that question You see that Christianity is plummeting But there's a social justice movement that seems to be gaining gaining steam in a sense

01:54:27

It's in the institutional phase now they won in 2020 and it's just the policies are now being enacted

01:54:33

What does this all mean? Well, I think that Martin Luther King jr. Is religion is

01:54:39

Gaining, but it's not the religion of Christianity. I think Martin Luther King jr.'s

01:54:46

His goals have been Achieved in large part at least not his utopian scheme fully because that can't be but the the tactics the policies what he wanted politically to be done that stuff has all been going the way that he wanted it to be done and the results have been terrible and So I think a fair examination a re -examination of the

01:55:08

MLK is in order Is this the kind of guy we want to honor someone we can honor courage, right?

01:55:13

There was courage I mean look the guy got stabbed he got and eventually he was killed but there's courage there.

01:55:19

No doubt He was also reacting against some things that were truly evil there there were

01:55:26

There were lynchings that happened now. I mean playing parent who could kills more probably in a week then or sometimes, you know,

01:55:35

Chicago will in the course of a month have have more deaths than You know total lynchings, you know

01:55:42

Well, I don't know if in a month but in a year maybe then all all lynchings that we have in history that were

01:55:50

Against or black people were the victims of them and we don't even know fully all the details of all of them But there were bad things that were happening.

01:55:57

And so yeah, sure. He saw some problems with some legitimate things I think there's things you can look at there but his solutions and in the over the over In his analysis of what the problems actually were

01:56:12

Bad, it's been bad and I'll say this in closing to about the I have a dream speech because that's the often the thing

01:56:17

Brought up by conservatives and evangelicals. That's like the last thing we can say Can't we say that that's a good speech and I've said it's there's some good things about that speech

01:56:25

But you got to think about this if you're gonna judge people based on the color of their skin Right or the content of their character rather than the color of their skin, right?

01:56:33

What is that really saying? It's saying that You're going to it makes sense to us.

01:56:39

I think because you're gonna treat friends that people that you have experience with Not according to how they look but according to the experience you have with them if it's a good worker or you know

01:56:50

My experience with this person is they're a good worker. I'm gonna pay them the same Someone who doesn't have their same skin shade, obviously,

01:56:56

I'm gonna hang out with this person. I don't care what they look like I we're friends, right? We worship together.

01:57:02

We we Frequent the same businesses live in the same place, right? All that makes absolute sense And I think a lot of people think that that's what that means but consider the context of the

01:57:10

I have a dream speech This is a political speech This is a speech to persuade as in DC to persuade the government to take political action

01:57:20

You can't have When you're talking about groups When when you see someone you have no experience with them.

01:57:28

What kind of Judgment, are you gonna have like think about you go to a crime an area that has a high crime.

01:57:35

Let's say And you see someone coming and they happen to fit the demographic that is

01:57:42

I mean we went through this after 9 -eleven I remember the debates over this or people who look Arab.

01:57:47

Should we be should we? Racial profile them at the airport if you can believe that was a debate and they were conservative saying that we should

01:57:54

I Know it's hard to believe now, but that was a conservative position It's like well, you know, you don't need to make any everyone else wait in line grandmothers from the

01:58:02

Midwest aren't blowing up planes But that was viewed as well. That's not equal. You can't do that.

01:58:07

So you so we had it was ridiculous You had to you know, I was searched on how many times and I was like, you know, I was a little kid

01:58:12

I was a young teenager. I was searched when going on flights and and so anyway

01:58:19

The Israel there, I mean their policy at the time I remember was, you know, they did do the profiling and It seemed to make sense because they didn't have shared experience with those people

01:58:30

It's all you see is someone coming in and it's like well There's a higher chance that person Might be a criminal in this context or there's people doing evil things right now in this period of time that happen to share something

01:58:42

In common with that person doesn't mean that person did it In that light I have started to wonder about whether even the

01:58:49

I have a dream speech that but that particular line is helpful on a political level and And so I'm in the

01:58:57

I'm open to being convinced either way of this to be quite honest But I'm sorry because I used to think that this was a primary kind of conservative principle

01:59:03

You would treat you according to the content of your character But then I've been thinking about how do you know the content of someone's character?

01:59:10

CJ Engel actually had a good thread on this on on X not too long ago that I think is worth looking at where he kind of He tries to take down that idea and say this is real.

01:59:22

This isn't a conservative idea You you know someone's character by having experience with them by dealing with them

01:59:28

You can't make a lot of political decisions or policy decisions just based based on people groups

01:59:36

When you you don't have an actual personal experience with them It's more it's more of something that appeals to personal experience and I think

01:59:42

Martin Luther King jr Was good at that He was good about appealing to things that we

01:59:48

Cherished at a deep level that were true because that is a true thing I think he did this spiritually to he he really gave what

01:59:56

Marx could not do He was able to do by giving a spiritual kind of glow to a certain kind of socialism

02:00:03

He gave a glow to it that made it the social justice warrior movement. We have now which is

02:00:10

Very religious in many ways. So those are just some some in -process thoughts I have I haven't landed the plane on those on that necessarily, but I'm thinking about it about how that works

02:00:22

It's because it's it's taking it's putting into a political category something That's not political and he did that with spiritual stuff

02:00:28

He did that with personal interaction and that's one of the reasons he had the success he did. Well, I broke my rule

02:00:34

I'm over two hours now. It was a mega edition If If anyone wants to call in or have questions now is the time

02:00:45

I'm gonna look through the chat and see what we got Boyd Cathy has a great collection of essays on MLK and the truth about him and conservatives that tout him

02:00:54

Yes, I have actually I've seen those I have been at Boyd Cathy's house and he showed me that stuff and Statistics are racist.

02:01:05

Yeah, everything's everything's racist if the outcome Produces an inequality and MLK would have pretty much agreed with that I Miss President's Day Beth Betty says

02:01:17

I missed the separate president's days Lincoln and Washington Michael says

02:01:23

Abraham Lincoln said I have always thought Dixie is one of the best tunes I have ever heard Yeah, that's one of the things to like the Civil War the people who fought against the

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South Honored the southern symbols and Dixie and all that stuff. That's that's the thing they honored all that stuff

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For $2 and Earl Starbucks says Zora Neale Hurston predicted as much didn't she

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I hate to admit this I'm not sure. I don't know if I've read that person. I Feel like I should because he's like assuming

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I know who that person is Why is okay, here's a question Why is

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MLK the only individual in the US who has his own holiday not even George Washington has one? Yeah, we just talked about that He's the

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Christlike figure he is the Kind of like the Washington like figure to the father of the country

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For $5 Earl Starbucks says problem of human scale applies I think can only judge the character of those we know hence the need for human scale priorities that's a really good point and one of the things

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MLK helped erode with Supporting the war on poverty and the voting rights and civil rights acts, you know, it violated

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Really freedom of association private property it But it also then went into these local and state it run ran roughshod over local and state municipalities and governments to enact a one -size -fits -all kind of Agenda and it didn't fit.

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Well and so like some places you you had even something as I'm gonna take something that's

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You know fair support it in conservative circles in integration, right? Some areas didn't really have a much of a problem with that based on population and shared experience and a whole host of factors other areas had horrible problems like my brother's

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New York, you know race war in high school. It was it was a war zone. High school was a war zone and Not much has changed in many of those places

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All right, well We're going to land the plane here. I appreciate everyone participating.

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This is one of those evergreen podcasts I'm gonna go back and put chapters in it for all of you, but you know, keep this one around keep this one bookmarked and and get the

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PowerPoint as well because this is information you're just not gonna get out there and And it's one of the reasons