December 21, 2018 Show with Marcus Pittman on “Babies are Murdered Here”

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this 21st day of December 2018, just four days away from Christmas

and I am so happy to have as a guest for the very first time ever on Iron Sharpens Iron

Radio Marcus Pittman.

Many of our regular listeners will be familiar with that name.

He is the executive producer and showrunner at Apologia Studios, creative director at

Crown Rights and cinematographer known for Next Week with Jeff

Durbin and How to Answer the Fool.

Today we're going to be addressing a documentary called Babies Are Murdered Here and it's my honor and privilege to

welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio Marcus Pittman.

Thank you Chris, thanks for having me.

Well before we go into your personal testimony of salvation which we typically do when we have a first -time

guest on the program,.

Tell our listeners about Apologia Studios.

So Apologia Studios was built going on four years now,

April three years ago and then that was started actually because

Jeff and I kind of got connected through the first Babies Are Murdered Here.

That would be Jeff Durbin for our listeners who aren't familiar with Jeff.

Yeah Jeff Durbin was the pastor, is the pastor and I did the movie Babies Are

Murdered Here and I sent him a preview of it and that's what started his church getting into

abortion ministry and from there he asked me to come out and do video

production for the church and we built the studios and we have Apologia TV and

next week with Jeff Durbin, Apologia Radio and a bunch of other things.

Even you know she alerts a lot of Christian

media at Apologia.

Well why don't you go through some of those things that you listed that Apologia Studios is responsible

for.

For instance next week with Jeff Durbin a very unique

program that in fact I don't think there's anything even close to it anywhere

on any in any media or on the internet.

Tell us about that.

Yeah well next week is, we're changing the structure of it so that's going to be a panel

show now and sort of like The View.

Don't say that, that's not a good way to advertise it.

A lot better than The View, a lot better than The View.

And so yeah so that's kind of a comedy show but the purpose of it really was to really create a

show that has a lot of views so that we could really influence the

culture on an important matter of, on the important matter of abortion.

So it talks about a lot of different issues other than abortion but the purpose of it really is

let's get a big audience and a big following so that we can impact the culture and speak to

things that matter.

So like the idea is essentially that we have, God's given us the gift of media, we can reach large

audiences via social media at least for the time being we can and so while we have that

opportunity we should create shows and content that reach a large

audience so that when we speak on issues that matter a lot of people

can hear it.

So it's sort of, it's sort of, that's sort of the basis of it and that's why we started next week

and then there's Apologia TV and Apologia Radio as well.

And now tell us about Apologia Church and actually you know I was shocked recently

because I know that Dr. James R. White, our mutual friend, has joined

Apologia Church and has become the scholar -in -residence there.

That's not what I'm shocked about.

I'm shocked because when he was announcing that on the dividing line I'm almost

positive he pronounced it just like you guys do, Apologia Church.

He didn't say Apologia this time.

Now has he changed the way he pronounces it now that he's a member just because that's the way that you guys officially pronounce it?

Yeah it's something supernatural that happens once you become a member.

You start pronouncing it a certain way I guess.

And so tell us about that church.

Yeah so Apologia Church is in Tempe, Arizona.

Actually we're in Mesa, Arizona now, well temporarily.

So well the Tempe, Mesa, Phoenix area and I think we're

up to 300 or 350 members is what I heard.

And so we meet Sunday afternoons and then we have community three

elders which and Zach

Morgan and In the Portion Now

and Apologia Studios which are two separate ministries underneath.

In the Portion Now is really the

primary ministry that really

acts right now in terms of saving lives and starting distinct

clinic ministries all over the world.

I think we're up to 300 churches now that have signed up

and each one of those churches are completely independent and under the

authority.

Essentially it's really great because what we do is we help churches get started

and provide them training and resources and we

have people

on staff.

So essentially once a church comes to us,

we interview their elder to make sure they're doctrinal, make sure that the

elder is on board and the elders are going to be actively involved in what happens and

that the church is ready and prepared

to, you know, or

whatever the case may be.

We coach them through all those things and then once they're out there doing it, they're out there

saving lives and their complete own abortion clinic ministry.

So since we've started, we've had 300 churches every day.

Every day of the week there's a church from In the Portion Now that's out

doing abortion clinic ministries and, you know, we kind of give them what they need and send

them on their way so that they're able to do it and it's been

amazing to hear, you know, how many thousands of babies are saved.

We'll never know the number now, but it's incredible.

Dollar for dollar.

It's the best money you can spend on the abortion clinic ministry because you're going to

fund everything themselves.

So we're just like a little going and then once they're

out, they're taking it from there.

And it's gospel -centered.

Everyone who's out there at the abortion clinic, they're preaching the gospel and making sure it's

rooted in sound theology and not, you know, sign up to be a

part of it and everything is solid theology.

Praise God.

Well, I am just so.

Thrilled to hear the continual updates on babies that are being saved

from being.

Torturously and brutally murdered in their mother's wombs.

Yeah, we actually just had somebody come in the studio and they gave a testimony.

I'm sure it'll be up soon.

I think it's four kids.

They had four kids and she was pregnant with her fifth and they were thinking about having an abortion.

They just looked at each other and was like,

no way.

And, you know, they even went in as far as got the ultrasound and Planned Parenthood was saying, oh, you don't

want to see what's on there.

It's nothing on there and all this stuff.

And they were like, well, that doesn't sound right.

And yeah, we've had four kids.

And so they, you know, were like, Planned Parenthood's lying to us right now to get us to kill our kids.

And then, you know, so they left and he

died and didn't think that was right.

And they kept their kid and the child came into the studio and we, you know, got to see them

laugh and play.

You know, like, this is like, really saving lives,

like real lives.

So, you know, it matters a lot.

Praise God.

It's always.

Great to hear that a ministry dedicated to something as important as rescuing babies

from being slaughtered, that there's fruit coming from it, that it's not just a theory.

It's not a hypothetical thing that you're talking about.

You're actually rescuing children.

And I just thank God for it.

And we'll be giving our listeners contact information later on in the program where you can

keep in touch and find out more information about all of these wonderful things that Marcus has

described.

Well now, Marcus, as I said before, typically when I have a first -time guest on the program,

obviously when they are a Christian guest, sometimes I have non -Christian guests, but that's a rarity.

But when I have a first -time Christian guest, I have them typically give a.

Summary of their testimony of salvation, and if you could do that for us.

Yeah, so my testimony is, I was four years old, and

I was sitting on my mom's lap, and maybe we were watching Billy Graham.

I'm not exactly sure.

But I asked her about salvation and stuff, and I said the prayer, and

as far as I know, that was legitimate.

But what really ignited my faith was once I started getting into Way of the Master.

And so Way of the Master...

And that was at five years old, was it?

No, no, no,

no.

That was maybe 2006.

So yeah, I would always call myself a Calvinist.

I went to a Southern Baptist church that had a Reformed pastor, pretty much.

So I knew Calvinism, and I understood it and could defend it, but it wasn't until really Way of the Master that

the doctrines of grace really just kick -started in me, and I began to apply them in my

life and really embrace those doctrines and love those doctrines.

That's interesting that you say that,.

Because I was not aware, even though I know that Reformed people

love the Way of the Master, and they love those folks

involved in that ministry, I wasn't aware that they were Reformed.

Um, well, you know, I think it depends on who

you hang out with when you do that stuff.

So when you're out there Sri -preaching, for me, like, it made the doctrines of grace come

alive, because when you're out there talking to people and they're boasting in their sin and they're talking,

you really see, like, total depravity come into effect, because you go, man, these people really are

depraved.

And then you also see that there's no way that they can be saved without faith, and faith is a gift.

And so you see that happening, and you see, like, no matter what you tell them, no matter what you do, no matter how

clearly you share the gospel with

them.

Amen.

And I know that the Way of the Master, one certain thing that they.

Have that is strongly connected to Reformed theology is they believe in the

importance of using the law in evangelism to make sinners aware of

their wretchedness, that perfect standard that we are commanded to

completely and perfectly fulfill that we never will be able to, and that's why Christ needed to die for us and

impute his own righteousness to us.

Right.

And I look forward to getting those folks from Way of the

Master, although I've had Ray Comfort on the show for about 15 minutes.

He does very short interviews.

Yeah, he does.

I would love to have the other folks on, and I don't know why I'm getting

temporary amnesia, but, oh, Kirk Cameron, that's it.

I don't know why I was forgetting his name, but Kirk Cameron actually

spoke, I wasn't there when he spoke at Hebron Colony Ministries, but Hebron Colony Ministries is a

is a Christian ministry for men who are seeking to

recover and completely repent of addictions, and I

lapsed into, or should I say back into, a very serious and

deadly addiction to alcohol after 18 years of sobriety a number of years ago, and I went to

Hebron Colony Ministries in Boone, North Carolina.

I always look for opportunities to sing their praises because the Lord used them to not only deliver me from

an addiction, but to save my life, and before I got there, it was only a couple of years before I

got there, I think, Kirk Cameron came there and preached, and they used to have the video up on YouTube.

I don't know if they still do, but he's doing a really good work there.

I admire him very greatly, and would love to get him on the show eventually.

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It just occurred to me that Apologia Church has their own.

Recovery ministry.

Do they not?

We do.

We have something called Redeemed Rebels that comes on.

I don't know why it doesn't come on, but it's a Bible study group,

and I think we do those on Tuesday nights at our church.

And the church itself was founded in some kind of a recovery

organization, right?

Yeah, I wasn't there back then, so I don't have any stories to tell about that, but yeah,

I was started in as part of a drug rehab clinic, and they were doing

Bible studies, and then it developed into the church now.

So that is as much as I know on that.

That's quite all right.

And tell us now about how Babies Are Murdered Here came to

be, this documentary.

I love the title.

It sounds like a strange thing to say about such a horrific title, but the reason why I love it is because I am

tired of even conservatives and pro -life activists

and Republicans and conservative radio pundits

and TV hosts always restricting their vocabulary to the use of

the term abortion.

And abortion has become, in my opinion, a very sanitized word.

It doesn't give anybody a jolt to their system.

It doesn't make their eyes pop open and their heart start to race, and it doesn't make them start to sweat.

It doesn't make them recoil in horror and disgust.

It's a clinical term, and it doesn't sound much different than

appendectomy or something like that.

Babies Are Murdered Here says it like it is.

Tell us how this documentary.

Came to be.

So what happened was my friend John Speed in Syracuse, New York,

she bought me a plane ticket and said, hey, I'd love to spend the weekend with you,

and I'd love to spend the weekend with you and have you come and film like a promo video.

And you said, that sounds great, who is this?

Yeah, well, no, I knew John Speed from Way to Master, and so we were friends.

He wanted to do a promo video for the church, and so we came up there, and the

complete act of providence, so he got the plane ticket back

at 8 a .m. as opposed to 8 p .m. on Sunday, so I wasn't able to film any of the church.

So he just said, well, we're going out to this abortion clinic we've never been to.

You can go out there and film.

And so before we did that, a man by the name of Robert Gray was in town, and

he went to two pack

of markers, a red and black marker, and he made this sign

that said Babies Are Murdered Here, and it was just

reactions, like emotional reaction to it.

I was like, wow, this is an amazing thing, and we went out there to the abortion clinic with it, and

we made this trailer.

We're like, maybe there's a movie here on people who

go outside of abortion clinics.

Along with some other footage, I made this trailer for

money to make this movie, and only got $5 ,000 to make

this movie, and I didn't have a job at the time, so I would just take the money, get a plane ticket, go somewhere else.

But what happened was people saw this trailer with a sign that said Babies Are Murdered Here, and from the trailer

itself, people started making their own signs.

So the movie really became about this word, using the word murder, to discuss

abortion.

People all over the country started gathering outside of abortion clinics with these

signs that said Babies Are Murdered Here, and over the past year or two, that sign has

become so synonymous outside of abortion clinics, that Planned Parenthood created their own

sign that they hang outside of Planned Parenthood that says, healthcare happens here.

So you have probably what was a million -dollar marketing campaign that Planned Parenthood paid for

to really just respond to it, and so that's David

and Goliath to me.

It's just a $1 ,000 movie you place on YouTube, calls Planned Parenthood to

come out of the woods and have to respond to it, is pretty amazing and unbelievable.

So they know who we are.

But I think the shocking thing is, the biggest reaction, the negative

reaction we've had to that movie, has been from the major pro -life groups.

The multi -million dollar lobby groups.

And so one of the things we found is they really don't like to use the word murder when they talk about

abortion, and it was baffling to us why they wouldn't call abortion murder.

And we found out that if you, all these organizations, every major

pro -life organization in the country, all the major political lobby groups, they're all run by Roman

Catholics.

In the Catholic Catechism, there's a statement about murder,

and there's one line in there that gives an exemption to people who commit murder

if they're found to be victims.

So I guess it's supposed to be self -defense, but it uses the word

victim in the Catholic Catechism.

And so what we found out was the reason they use the word victim is so they don't have to

charge all these women with a carnal sin.

And so for victims, they don't have to kick these women out of the Catholic

Church.

And so that's their loophole.

And so it's a lot more, that's why they say, well women are in a tough situation,

they're struggling, you don't know the situation at hand, these women are victims, and Planned

Parenthood lies to them, and all these things.

But we know that a woman, when she's pregnant, she knows that she has a baby,

right?

That's why they go to the abortion clinic in the first place, is to get rid of the baby.

They're not clueless as to what's inside of them when they miss their period.

And so they, right, no one is.

They're with knowledge, and they sin willfully.

It's shocking that one of the biggest, most

controversial things you can say when you're talking about abortion in our

nation is to blame the woman and call the woman a criminal.

That's the worst thing you could say.

You remember when Trump said it, when he was running for president, it was all over the news, he said that

a woman should be tried for murder for having it.

And he was just like thinking logically about it when he was asked the question.

I don't think he's ever really thought about the issue before, and he was thinking logically about it, and was like, well, yeah, if a woman pays someone to

murder her child, she should be found as a criminal.

And all the pro -life groups came out and was like, no, no, Trump, we don't support you on this.

You can't say this.

And so you have really, I guess,

the pro -life lobby groups, the

pro -life Catholic run groups in our nation, and even some of the Protestant ones, to be honest,

are very effeminate and

like really speaking the truth as to what abortion is.

And they reject using the word murder.

And that was in part in the first film, as we were just like, wow, these women,

I mean, these pro -life groups really do hate using biblical language.

But there's a lot more to it.

It's not just that.

They don't like using graphic signs.

They don't like using repentance and preaching the gospel.

For them, the view of abortion clinic ministry, and a lot of

products have adopted their philosophy, and it's a very

Arminian, anti -reformed view of preaching the gospel

outside of abortion clinics.

For them, it's just like, let's just, if we get them off the edge,

then we can save their baby and develop a relationship with them, and then

maybe we can get to the gospel.

But it's a hostage situation, and we just need to save the baby's life.

And so from a reformed view, when we're out there, these women are murdering their child, they're

totally depraved.

Nothing we say or do is going to convince them otherwise but a miracle from God.

Preach the gospel and hope that even if they murder their child, what we

said as they were murdering their child rings in their

ears, and maybe they get saved later.

The problem with Catholic pro

-life groups is the woman, well,

you murdered your child, you know, we can offer you counseling if you need it, but it's

not gospel -centered counseling.

And so our main goal, really, is just to preach the gospel and pray that people's

souls are saved eternally, and also maybe a baby will

get saved.

The truth is that saving a child

is hard to do, like there's nothing out there you could do.

An ultrasound isn't going to convince a woman not to murder

her child.

Hi, I'm Stephan Lindblad, assistant.

Sorry about that, that was a technical error there, sorry about that.

Okay, okay, so like the ultrasounds and the baby baskets, those

things aren't going to convince a woman to save her life.

Most of the women who will even go to an ultrasound, they're on the fence and not sure about it anyway,

but a woman who is committed and she's, I'm going to have an abortion, they're going to do it,

but from a miracle of God and a.

Change of heart.

Yeah, in fact, I was surprised when Jeff Durbin was a guest, I believe it was the last time he was a guest

on Iron Trip and Zion, he said that most of the women who

they confront and you confront, meaning Apologia Church, outside of

an abortion clinic are fully aware of the concept that they are murdering

their baby.

I was surprised.

They laugh and joke about it.

I was surprised to hear that.

I thought that they might have been brainwashed as women years ago were, that it's just a

blob of tissue, but obviously it flies in the face of even everything secular

society does when they respond to a pregnant woman.

If the woman is very happy about this and intends to keep a child, they always refer to it as a

baby.

Have you come up with a name yet for the baby?

Have you felt the baby kick yet?

What is the gender of the baby?

But if she wants an abortion, all of a sudden it becomes a fetus.

But it is quite horrific to know that women, many, many,

many women are getting their babies murdered and they're fully aware of it as if they are

doing something that is mercy killing or something as absurd as that.

Well, that was the thing.

The first time I went to an abortion clinic, someone was like, you should just go out with us.

We're just going to share the gospel and all the signs.

You don't have to say anything.

And my attitude was like, you know, I just don't have, like, I'm just not a mercy

ministry counseling sort of guy.

I'm much more of like a hard truth, you know, in your face, you know, what you're

supposed to person.

Like, that's how I am.

I just, I'm not.

I mean, at least at the time, I'm much more filled with grace

now.

But when I went out there, they're like, well, don't even worry about it.

And when I went out there, I realized that that's not really

the ministry that's required out there.

What we need out there is people that speak the hard truth.

So what you need is the people who speak the hard truth.

And so that's what I found.

Like, I was shocked.

The first time I went to the abortion clinic, there were women laughing, giving us the middle finger,

bragging about how many kids they've killed in the past.

This will be whatever number.

And they do this all the time.

And I was just like, whoa, this isn't women who are stuck in a hard position.

These are women who know exactly what they're doing.

No, of course we don't want to.

We don't want to talk to me.

We don't want, we don't want to, we don't want to give the.

Impression though.

That was somehow that happened.

And we have, we have to speak the truth.

We have to, you know, convict these

women, these women for, for knowing what they're doing.

And we don't want to give the impression that every single woman is laughing about.

Can you hear me, Marcus?

Marcus, you're going to have to call me back because for some reason you can't hear me.

I well, hopefully when we go, when we come back from our first break, Marcus will be able to

hear me.

I don't know why I call back.

Yes, you should call back Marcus.

Uh, when we come back, hello, Marcus, can you hear me?

Yeah, I can hear you.

Okay.

For some reason that we could hear you perfectly.

You could not hear me though.

I don't know why.

Okay.

Uh, what, what I was, what I was saying, uh, was we don't want to give a, the impression that we

are saying that every woman that kills their unborn child is doing so with the

gleeful and mocking attitude that you've mentioned.

There are obviously, and there are even children who are being compelled, if not forced,

uh, against their will to get abortions by their parents.

And there's all kinds of circumstances.

Where women, yes, there's all kinds of circumstances, sex trafficking, of course.

And, and parents, uh, that, that forced women to have abortions against their

will.

But that's a very small number of the, the main business.

Or if you were to divide up, like what percentage of sales a Planned Parenthood has,

uh, uh, the very small majority would be women who are legitimately

forced to do this.

Uh, now the pro -life groups will say that there are women

forcing them to do that, or they're going to kick them out of a house or something like that.

But in those instances, the mother is called to protect her baby's life at all expense to her

own wellbeing.

So even in those

instances, so

if you're in a situation where you're, you're,

you need to be brave and do what you have to do to save the life of your child, even in that

instance.

And obviously, obviously though,.

If the pregnant girl is a child, uh, even though we would still

believe that this is murder she's committing, there's going to be a lot less, um,

responsibility in an earthly sense, I'm talking about for her to make those kinds of decisions to refuse an

abortion.

If she's a child, I'm talking about a young, a very young teen, or perhaps,.

Uh, it'd be a lot harder for her to make those decisions, but she's still accountable for God.

For murder.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And we have to, we have to go to our very first break right now.

And as I said before, if anybody would like to join us on the air, our email address is CV.

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Aronson, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.

If you just tuned us in, our guest today is Marcus Pittman, executive producer and

showrunner at Apologia Studios, creative director at Crown Rights, and cinematographer known for

Next Week with Jeff Durbin and How to Answer the Fool.

Today we are discussing Marcus's documentary, Babies Are Murdered, here.

If you'd like to join us, our email address is chrisaronson at gmail .com, chrisaronson at gmail

.com.

And before we go to a listener who has a question for you in the Republic of Ireland, Marcus,

you were talking before about something that may have gone over the heads of some of our listeners.

You were talking about a reformed approach to evangelism at abortion

clinics, as opposed to an Arminian one.

And correct me if I'm wrong, I think what you are getting at is like the reformed

approach to evangelism and preaching in general, and the Arminian approach, which often

has pragmatism dominate the methodology of evangelism, and you have things

like the Seeker Sensitive Movement and the Church Growth Movement, that sadly,

even some churches, congregations, and denominations that

claim to be reformed have adopted as their own some of these Arminian pragmatic

approaches, where you believe my main goal is to get a

person to make a decision, therefore I'm going to create an atmosphere where making

a decision to follow Christ, or in your case, not have an abortion, I have to make that as

appealing as possible to get them through the door, if you will.

I have to use more candy -coated words, less frightening words and terminology.

There are churches that don't even proclaim the necessity of repentance, or they

don't warn about damnation and hell,

and they merely talk about how Jesus is going to improve their lives here on earth and so on.

Isn't that really what you were talking about as far as an approach where you think as

a human being, you have the ability to convince another

human being through their free will to connect the dots, if

you will, of what you're saying and come to a decision, yes, what you're saying makes very good sense, I'm going to

follow Jesus or I am not going to have an abortion, and that is the Arminian approach that involves

pragmatism, whereas the reformed approach is that we are to proclaim the truth, let the

chips fall where they may, because our God is sovereign, and he is the one that

brings the increase, our responsibility is to plant and water the seeds, he is the only one

that can bear fruit from that, am I right?

Right, yeah, I would say it's actually even worse than that, because a lot of the pro -life groups don't want you talking about

God at all, because they're scared that's going to make somebody jump off the cliff and kill

their baby.

So, in other words, you hear this, too, in Arminian evangelism,

they're away, and in reformed view, we know that

they're already as far away as they could possibly get, and only God can bring them to life.

So, yeah, so they don't want, I mean, if you go to a lot of the pro

-life trainings that are available, like sidewalk counselors and sidewalk

advocates for life and counseling, they'll tell you

not to discuss theology, not to talk about God, not to call someone to repentance, not to preach the gospel,

not to use Bible verses, because all those things will make somebody

fill in their mind, and you

just want to get them.

We know that the only one that's going to get them off the cliff

is this woman to murder her child.

It's ultimately for the good of God.

At that point, we want them to hear the gospel.

It's going to save them and bring them hope after that.

Right, amen.

Many of our audience, many in our audience, may not know what our next listener

has to report, but yesterday, the Republic of Ireland

made it law that women have the freedom to murder their unborn babies, and Ireland was a

holdout for a long time for the right cause to defend and protect

unborn children, but now they have joined the United States and other countries

in giving women the alleged freedom to kill, brutally murder their children,

as long as it's in a sanitized atmosphere of a clinic or hospital.

And the Republic of Ireland might as well join the United States and sew

into our flags babies are murdered here, because it's a

great tragedy that nations as enlightened as ours

allegedly would be granting such a liberty to humans to murder

the most helpless and fragile and innocent and helpless among us.

But Mary from Cork, Ireland, in addition to letting us know about

this horrific update on the legalization of abortion in Ireland officially now,

she says, I had a friend who had an abortion, and towards the end of her

next pregnancy, the baby died inside of her when she was due to deliver in

a few weeks.

I was there for the delivery, which needless to say, was traumatic.

Could her abortion have had something to do with this?

Also, what advice would you give to someone who is adamant to have an abortion.

And are hostile?

That's Mary from Cork, Ireland.

Yeah, I don't know if her abortion led to her miscarriage.

I don't know any of the details of that.

I have heard that abortion does make it harder to have a child, but I don't, I'm not exactly

sure.

I mean, I don't know all the situations.

But I would say, I would, I would argue, well, why is she sad about the miscarriage

and not repentant about the murder of her child?

Actually, I don't know if Mary was.

Implying that the mother was sad about the miscarriage.

I think Mary herself,.

Since she was an eyewitness to it, was sad about it.

Oh, okay, okay.

Okay, so what was the second.

Question?

What advice would you give to someone who is adamant to have an abortion and are hostile?

Well, I would, I think about abortion and they're hostile.

The only thing you can do at that point is tell them to repent and to be the mother that God

called them to be, and for men to be the man that God called them to

be, and to raise this child and to protect this child, and women to be the protector of this child.

At that point, it's a heart change.

They have a heart of stone at that point, and they need a heart of flesh, and the only way to do that is

through redemption.

And ascension.

Amen.

Thank you, Mary in Cork, Ireland.

Please continue to spread the word of Iron Sharpens Iron radio in the Emerald Isle

and beyond, and in fact, if you want information, especially now that

abortion is legal in Ireland, as you have indicated to us as of

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Murdered Here, and start spreading the word amongst your fellow pro -life folk

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Okay, great.

We have Kathy in Mastic, New York.

When at the abortuaries, what is said by the ministry elders in an

appeal to the fathers who bring their babies there to be murdered?

Are the fathers held accountable?

I strongly support the abolition of abortion, and fathers need to also be a part of the dialogue,

and she also wants to say that Robert Gray is her dear friend and brother in Christ.

Oh, for sure.

The fathers are absolutely...

The fathers of these children that are murdered

have already failed, most of the

time, outside of marriage, so they're not the man that God's called them to be at that

point, and that they're not for the woman,

and then when it comes, encourages the woman to go

ahead and have an abortion.

So the men are just as responsible as the woman, because they have

violated their role of

the woman and the child.

They're supposed to be a protector and the head of both of these people, and they've

neglected that, and they've encouraged the child to get murdered.

So we do preach to the men not to be a coward,

be what God has called you to be, and that's to be a father and to protect your child, and to demand that

the woman who is carrying your baby not murder their child.

And a lot of times, the men are the ones waiting outside the abortion clinic

that hear you speaking the most, and a lot of times the men do go back in and they rescue

the mom and bring her out of there.

Wow.

So there's a lot of stories of that.

So the men are absolutely the ones that have

probably the most influence on the woman who is murdering their child.

So the men are, I'll be

murdered, and it goes a lot deeper than just, you

know, pregnancy.

It's before that, too, of a woman

outside of marriage, in those instances for sure.

And in the instances where they are married and the man doesn't want another child, he's just being lazy himself,

and he's not protecting his child at all.

Just out of curiosity, from your experience at abortion mills, how often are women

going there for abortions that are accompanied by either their husbands or boyfriends, or

at least the biological father of the unborn child?

I would probably say maybe at least 50%.

Usually they're dropped off in a car by the husband or

boyfriend will come and drop them off in a car.

Or, you know, sometimes they don't even show up, but they're the ones that, you know,

paid the check, you know, so that this could happen.

You know, they paid the 400 bucks to have the abortion or whatever.

So they're completely involved.

I would think that there'd be a very small percentage of women who

make this decision completely without talking to the man at all.

And then in some instances, but I've seen instances, too, where the man is

outside crying because he can't convince the woman to

not murder his child, too.

So, you know, you do see the flip side, but even on that, you know, the man still

drove her there, you know.

You see a lot.

You never get tired of the stories that happen outside of abortion clinics if you just go, you know.

Yeah, and what magnifies the sin of the pregnant woman is when

those occasions occur when she has her baby murdered behind the back of the biological

father.

That is even more sinister, depriving the father of a right to have even a say

in whether his child lives or dies.

Right, for sure.

I mean, I know there are men out there, believe it or not.

I know a couple of guys, at least, who

insisted on having involvement in their children's lives, even though the babies were born as a

result of a one -night stand.

They didn't even have a relationship with the woman, and they thought so highly, at least,

of the child in the womb that they wanted to be very much involved as a father to

the babies after being born.

And these were men who were not Christians.

These were just men who had at least enough love and compassion

in their hearts for that involvement in the child's life.

But we're going to a break right now.

This is our midway break.

It's a longer -than -normal break because Grace Life Radio 90 .1 FM in Lake City, Florida

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And let me ask again, Marcus, are you there?

I'm here.

Great.

We do have a Canadian listener with a question.

He has a very unusual name.

Sikali is his name.

And Sikali asks, I tuned in a bit late.

I apologize if this was addressed already, but is this movie on the big screen?

Where and when would it be available?

I'm up in Canada, and we miss out on a lot of resources.

Oh, I think that was a he wrote a clever way of American murican.

I think that was intended to be humorous.

God bless you in your ministry, Marcus.

And this is Sikali from Ponoka, Alberta, Canada.

Okay, so the first one is on YouTube for free.

And then we're working on the sequel now.

The sequel is called Babies Are Still Murdered Here.

And that'll come out third quarter or 2019.

Third, fourth quarter 2019.

And that this movie that we're working on, I don't think we've talked about it yet.

But since there was such a tremendous response to the first one, the second one, we're going to be

talking about how the pro -life movement

inflation of ending abortion.

So politically, we're going to show how pro -life lobbies have no intention

to really end abortion.

In America.

So your main goal is obviously seeking popularity.

But well, no, because if my main goal is seeking popularity, I'd spend millions and millions of

dollars to get the movie in theaters.

But we're going to give this movie away for free, just like the second one that's going to be placed on YouTube.

And everyone will get to see it.

And I don't think it's not a good

business decision to put a movie in a movie theater anymore, because you have to spend

thousands of dollars for every theater that millions of dollars on

marketing to make people aware that the movie is out.

And so it's just better on the Internet

and do it that way.

Now, God's really created a way where anybody can make something

and put it out and have it be seen on YouTube or Facebook or whatever.

And so we should really utilize those technologies that God has given us that out

there.

Yeah.

So for an abortion now, all the money that's raised to make this movie

this year and to continue to fund an abortion now

and aspects of

abortion and Roe v. Wade and why we should.

Thank you, Sicily.

Keep spreading the.

Word in Alberta, Canada and beyond about Iron Trip and Zion Radio.

By the way, there are a in some communities, just like the one I'm

in here in Carlisle, there are some of these old fashioned theaters

that not only play the big movies that are currently released and

available in theaters, but they some of these old fashioned theaters that are perhaps have been

restored.

They allow nonprofit organizations to very inexpensively

rent the theater to play a movie and they might, you know, some of these theaters might be

willing to work with church groups to play.

Yeah.

The what is the new one?

More babies are murdered here.

Or what was it you said it was called?

Babies are still murdered.

Babies are still murdered here.

You might get theaters who are willing to to play that if the local church groups are

like one of the ideas that we.

Had.

I don't know if but one of the ideas we had was

that when the movie comes out later next year, from the

country that are doing abortion clinic ministry, open up their church and play the movie

one on one night.

And then that way, you have 300 of the country at once.

So that that would be an idea.

We haven't really talked through the logistics of that.

But that's at least in our.

Thoughts on how to do that.

So great.

Okay, we have another question from Mary in Cork,

Ireland.

She wanted to clarify something about her last question.

Mary says she didn't have a miscarriage.

This is referring to that woman who first had an abortion, and then later wanted to have a child, but it was

stillborn.

Well, I'll have her clarify what it was.

She didn't have a miscarriage, she was induced, and she delivered a

perfect dead baby boy.

He came out warm and went stone cold.

It was desperate.

And so that's a clarification on that.

I don't know if you have anything further to say about if there's a possibility for a medical reason, her

previous abortion, somehow medically or physically

harmed the mother so that her baby was born,.

At least died very quickly after it was born.

It's a possibility, but I don't know that.

God is sovereign over those things.

But do you know if that is statistically something that happens?

I agree with you.

I remember as a teenager, I had a friend who was very promiscuous who

got his girlfriend pregnant multiple times, and she had abortions

multiple times.

And I can remember my friend, who will remain nameless obviously, laughing and joking about it and

getting that thing ripped out of her as he described it.

But I remember the last time he impregnated her, she had the baby because her

doctor said, if you get another abortion, you're not going to be able to have any more children.

So I know I concur with what you said earlier in that regard, but is there any statistic about

the probability of.

Babies being born dead after an abortion?

Yeah, I don't know anything about that medically.

I would assume that it does make things harder and more difficult, but I'm not

exactly sure on the science and stats for that.

Okay.

Let's see here.

We have Arnie in Perry County,.

Pennsylvania.

And Arnie says, Chris, on many occasions on your show, I have heard you

say that there should be a rally cry amongst people who

believe in the sanctity of unborn life to televise an abortion

on major networks so that people can vote intelligently every time an

election is coming up.

It's just like you said in the past that many people in the world did not believe the atrocities

of the Holocaust until they saw with their very own eyes the film reels of these

events in history.

What does your guest think about a more strong push to the pro -life movement and

to actual stations and media to televise abortions

so that people can see the brutality of this and that it is indeed murder, especially when these

stations like Fox News allege to be conservative?

And yes, I am glad that our listener brought up the fact that I have said this before.

In fact, Marcus, years ago in the 90s when

Pat Buchanan was running for president under the Reform Party ticket, he was

being interviewed on a station that I worked for, a Christian station, and I called in, it was a live call -in show, and I called in and I

said to Pat Buchanan, why aren't any conservatives pushing to have abortions televised so that we

can more intelligently vote as a public when we see what is actually happening?

And Pat Buchanan, the poster boy for conservativism, the most conservative candidate at that time running for office,

he said, oh, we wouldn't want to do that.

That would be like televising an execution.

And I said, that's my point.

So what is your comment on that?

Well, I've said like routinely, if I was president of the United States, I would,

the president of the United States has the opportunity at any time, and you see

this like after 9 -11 or something like that, the president can call a, the

president can call like a meeting and he can hold, he can make all the

television stations appear on the old pocket

night or whatever.

And if I was the president of the United States once a week, I would force

all the local TV stations to broadcast my address from the Oval Office, where I

would show graphic pictures, make it, I would show up in front of

abortion clinics and, and I would use all the power of the presidential bully pulpit to

stop abortion.

But right now, what you have is simply, it's just a political

tetherball that people are knocking back and forth and nobody really wants to end it.

Nobody really wants to end it because it's used really as a way to gather votes.

And there's a lot of money for the, uh, for the Republican

take money from pro on, uh,

non legislation that

doesn't mean anything, you know?

And then the pro -life lobbyists can say, well, look, look at

what, for example, it

might've been $250 billion, a quarter of a billion dollars.

And they passed the partial birth abortion ban.

And that partial birth abortion ban did nothing to stop abortions.

All it did was.

And unfortunately, Marcus, can you repeat what you said?

You got, you got cut off.

Oh, okay.

No, you, you picked up, pick up where you said, unfortunately the, the, um,

the ban on partial birth abortion, and then you got cut off.

Okay.

Unfortunately, the ban on partial birth abortion, they spent $250 billion to get it.

And all it did was it moved the baby up four inches, uh, to where it could

legally be murdered.

So that's not a victory.

That's just a legal loophole that most, you know,

abortion doctors.

All right.

We have to go to our final break right now.

It's more brief than the last one.

Uh, if you want to send in a question, do so now because we're rapidly running out of time.

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Are Murdered Here.

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Marcus, are you still there?

Yes, I'm here.

Okay, great.

Glad that you're still with us.

Let's see here.

We have a listener, Susan Margaret in Dauphin

County, Pennsylvania, who says, how

necessary do you think graphic visual images are to your work at the

abortion mills?

Rather than just using words and signs with wording on them, aren't these

photographs and perhaps even the actual fetuses that can be made available very

powerful in really shocking people into realizing the truth of the matter?

Yeah, they're powerful.

We do use them, and any church that signs up at InAbortionNow .com,

they will receive some signs for free, and it includes one graphic

image.

So they are used, and the reason we

use them is, one, a lot of women will

see that, and the visual imagery reminds them of, when they're leaving, of what

they've done, and we want that to be ingrained in their heads.

We want the sin to be ingrained on their hearts, because that will lead them to repentance.

But the other thing, too, is those images are important for the abortion clinic

workers and the escorts, for them to see it and to know and to stare at the face

of what they're defending.

So nothing's going to change someone's mind other than the

proclamation of the gospel and God working in their heart.

So that's, like, foundational.

We don't want to get to a point where we're saying, well, if we have an ultra

-graphic image, these things are going to help us more than the preaching of the gospel will,

because ultimately and foundationally, the preaching of the gospel is your strongest weapon out there, and

everything else is helpful and impactful and God uses, but ultimately it's the preaching of the

gospel and just telling people the truth about what they're doing.

God says, don't murder, thou shalt not murder, don't murder your child.

Yes, just like when it comes to political activity or anything else,.

It's the preaching of the gospel and the transforming of dead wicked hearts into

new hearts of flesh that Jesus Christ himself replaces in the lives

of his elect when he removes their hearts of stone and gives them hearts of flesh.

That is what will transform individuals and will transform nations in regard to these

atrocities.

And sometimes we say, oh, that just happens too slowly, we can't just rely upon

that, but that's ultimately what we always have.

To rely upon, isn't it?

Yeah, that's it.

It's sort of like evidential versus presuppositional apologetics.

It is.

No, it really is.

So evidentialism says, well, we can show them all, you know, we can show them all, evidentialism at the abortion clinic is,

we'll just show them the ultrasound, we'll just show them these graphic images, it

really is a baby, but presuppositionalism says, no, no, they already know it's a baby and we

don't have to use evidences to convince someone because they already know, they're with knowledge, they know they're

sinning against God and we just need to remind them of who God is, who they're sinning against, and

that's the ultimate point.

And so it is, your apologetic style, everything you do in

life.

So it affects how you do at the abortion clinic, it'll affect how you witness the

people every day.

We have Ronald in eastern.

Suffolk County, Long Island, who asks, you were speaking critically before about

pragmatism, but do you think that there is any truth and benefit behind

incrementalism when it comes to outlawing abortion?

I understand that, for instance, many pro -life libertarians

believe that abortion should be, to begin with, state rights issues

rather than federal issues, and that incrementally we are more realistically going

to have victories and ultimately achieving nations that are across the board

pro -life.

But what is your guest's opinion of this?

Well, the problem is, and babies are still murdered here, let's

just say as a pro -life conservative,

life lobbies say, well, if

we just create laws that make old abortion clinics

appeal to modern -day healthcare standards of what a healthcare facility should be and follow the

ADA rules and regulations, well, as a conservative,

I can't support that bill anyway, because I don't think the government should be involved in healthcare or regulating

healthcare.

So a lot of the incremental laws aren't even conservative or republican

positions.

They're actually liberal, and I mean, the idea of regulating an abortion industry

is just as bad as regulating businesses as a whole.

Like, as a conservative, I don't want to regulate any industry.

I want the free market to do its thing.

As a conservative, as someone who gets their view of economics from scripture,

I can't even stand behind those on that core basic principle.

But the other issue is that pro -life legislation

actually makes it harder to overturn Roe v. Wade.

So let's take, for example,

so that means that abortion goes back to the states to decide.

Well, a lot of the pro -life legislation that the pro -life groups have put in place

actually makes abortion legal in those states.

So, for example, if they say, abortion shall be

illegal any time before 23

weeks, well, that's a rule that the pro -life lobbies put in place, and they're like, see, it's a victory

because you can't have abortions up to nine months.

But once Roe v. Wade's overturned, abortion is now legal in the state because of that law.

So now we have to go through the process of uprooting all the...

And then finally,

if Roe v. Wade were to be overturned tomorrow, you better believe that Planned Parenthood

has a constitutional amendment ready and the process is ready to get a

constitutional amendment for Roe v. Wade being

overturned.

Because that just happened in Ireland, where the people pushed

an amendment and they were able to

take it off.

So the issue here is really, and most, like, let's

say a city or a state, they take unjust

laws, even if it's up to the point of a constitutional

amendment.

And so this happened with the Dred

Scott case in Wisconsin, where we said that slaves are

our property, and Wisconsin ignored that.

We reject that, and we believe that black people are indeed humans.

So they resist, and we see local governments resisting the federal

government with, like, marijuana, said,

we don't care if it's illegal

in a

sanctuary

city.

So the states

ignore the federal government all the time.

So the best way to end abortion is just to outright get

illegal.

And it's pretty easy.

I think Christians need to start thinking about politics and getting involved in politics, because you

can get a city council seat with, you know, less than 10 ,000 votes sometimes.

So it wouldn't be hard for all the churches in the community to gather together and to find a man who's

able to run and meets the biblical requirements to run for office and just vote him in.

It'd be pretty easy.

A lot of the city council members run unopposed.

But once we start figuring out how the church can

influence the church, not that

convictions need to be made, but there's no reason the church can't

come together and speak

pro -choice

politics.

Every week we go there.

Are you there, Marcus?

Yeah, I'm here.

Every week you go there and what?

And we speak to the city council and we tell them...

Yeah, and are you there?

Try to repeat one more time what happens at these weekly meetings.

I think that we may have lost...

Hello?

Hello, are you there?

Yes, now we are.

Okay, I can hear you.

Probably Apache area of the desert I'm going through.

But anyway...

Yeah, we were...

That's way more effective.

So that's the strength of the approaching it from a state's issue rather than a federal issue.

Hello?

Yeah, I'm here.

Yeah, is that the strength of approaching it from a state's issue like a Ron Paul would advocate, for instance, in

a Rand Paul rather than a federal approach?

Yeah.

All right, well, it looks like we're losing you.

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Go to endabortionnow .com, endabortionnow .com.

And you can donate to help make this movie happen, and in addition to making the movie this year,

we're still going to be funding and starting churches.

So if you just go to endabortionnow .com slash donate, you can donate to our ministry and

then...

Endabortionnow .com.

Well, I want to thank you so much, Marcus, for being our guest today.

Even though that you were traveling out for the holidays to California, we appreciate you taking this time out of your schedule

to be with us.

I want to thank everybody who listened, especially those who took the time to write in questions, and I hope you all have a very

safe and blessed and happy weekend and a joyful Christmas and a very wonderful,

safe, and God -honoring New Year.

And I hope you have a great weekend as well and a great Lord's Day that is filled with the joy of the

Holy Spirit as you worship and honor our God.

I hope that you all always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater

Savior than you are a sinner.