A Special Edition of the Dividing Line with Pictures and Audio

Welcome to a special monday edition of the dividing line. I was just looking around the uh the um studio here and uh when the cat's away the uh the mice will play um and i guess john was concerned that he wasn't gonna remember the song because it's taped to the back of the queen's face.

The esv only yes that's the book for me. I stand alone in the word of god. The esv only yes uh sola esv tickets there you go. There's uh the things that people leave in the studio uh when i'm out of town.

Returning from South Africa and Previewing the Trip Report

Well we wanted to get together today to give you a report solely on what took place in south africa over the past uh number of uh days. Well it hasn't actually hasn't been the past number of days. I've been home since um friday evening sometime a little jaunt home uh from durban to johannesburg johannesburg heathrow long long long layover in heathrow.

Heathrow terminal five isn't a bad place but they have no fast food. I know everything in heathrow terminal five now uh anyways and then um thankfully straight shot man if i had had to go through like philadelphia or something way back i think i would have lost but a straight shot from heathrow back to um to phoenix and um so here we are and no sickness.

Thank you very much for praying uh and of course i i also took advantage of the means i was washing my hands and doing everything else and uh so we are back home. And what i want to do is give report.

There's so much to catch up on on the dividing line uh that i didn't want to just you know cram this in sort of in the corner someplace and then move on to other things. I mean who knows by tomorrow we might have some really interesting stuff out of the synod in rome um that'll i can just see uh rome's apologists are girding their loins uh to be explaining this one uh but uh it's it's gonna be gonna be interesting um uh whatever whatever comes out of all that but want to talk to you specifically about what took place in south africa because i didn't see coming what ended up happening uh on a good level.

And um i just wanted to say thanks to everybody who was involved too but let you know uh what took place uh flew out um was met at the johannesburg airport by uh rudolf bushoff many of the pictures you will see.

I'm going to play some clips from the debates um again thanks to my live scribe pen. And no i don't get any free material for promoting them. But uh thanks to my live scribe pen i will be able to play some sections.

Yes you keep saying it's it's only what i was saying true. That's mainly because i take my pen with me up to the podium and therefore it's right there. And the sound quality is good uh the sound quality for the other guy isn't gonna be as good because the pen's in my hand.

I'm taking notes and he's over there someplace. So uh that's one of the main reasons that uh for the real quick stuff right after the debate uh it's pretty much just what what is happening when i was speaking.

But anyway i'm gonna play some clips for you uh one from the debate at the um at the juma masjid gray street mosque in durban the historic mosque 130 years old uh first christian muslim debate that's ever taken place there.

I'm the first christian to stand that place and present the gospel. Other christians have spoken there but not in a debate not in a situation where it's a give and take and proclamation of the gospel in contrast to islam etc etc.

And um then i'm gonna play uh my opening statement from the debate with ayub karim the next night uh because we've spent quite some time on the dividing line looking at akhmed didat's crucifixion or crucifixion uh presentation and um even even the moderator who himself is a muslim apologist uh engages in dawah described ayub karim as having a dd a doctorate in d dot a d disciple of d dot that's what disciple of d dot he uh he stood as d dot stood he dressed as d dot dressed he spoke as d dot spoke and he presented d dot art d docs arguments all the way through so that was.

I was very thankful that that's what i wanted to have happen. I wanted to have a debate in south africa in durban the city of d dot uh where his most famous presentation uh was was presented and the arguments for it and have the opportunity of thoroughly refuting them and we did and i will play you the opening statement which basically uh as most people in the audience at least christians the audience said uh the debate was over in the first five minutes of your opening statement and uh the rest uh was just an appeal to the muslims.

You've got to pick up your game you can't d dot cannot be uh your big man because he was not a scholar he was not accurate he he did not know christianity and as a result his arguments are really really really really bad and we demonstrated that and i'll play the opening statement from that as well.

And while those are playing i will uh i have i think 384 pictures uh from the trip to south africa from my phone and well actually i've got some that i've imported uh as well from uh adrian's phone i think adrian's uh camera uh down there in durban and so total 384 and i'll just have them running on a slideshow and that's what we'll have up while we're listening to the audio so that's how we will that's how we'll do that anyways flew into johannesburg um you'll see a number of pictures of rudolph uh in uh there are a couple times rudolph got pushed into doing things he didn't know he was going to be doing uh i think it was the very next morning yeah the next morning uh we recorded about a little over an hour and a half um uh with uh akhmed pandor and muhammad and his last name starts the g forgive me i don't have any notes in front of me at all this is all off top of my head uh at the proclaim offices um and since they had set the things up with two and two uh they asked they invited rudolph to join in and he did and he he participated somewhat at one point made some good points but then left most of that to me.

Um and we had 40 minutes of them asking me questions 40 minutes of me asking them questions and it was all recorded and i don't know when we'll see that but uh it was uh it was interesting uh once again it was it was focused on you know i got to ask some specific questions about some interesting hadith and things like that.

It was it was very friendly and i'd like to see that happen some more uh i'd like to engage uh akhmed pandor more as well in the future. Um he's he gave me a on uh muhammad in song of solomon 516 and so i'll i'll try to find the time to respond to that.

Um but we had a we had a very good time there and uh then um if i recall correctly i should have written all this stuff down but i've been moving pretty fast. I'm so far behind on everything when you're gone for that long you've just got so much just regular life stuff.

And then of course this morning i'm i was just about jumping the car and head here and i thought you know that stupid little light's on on my on my dash you know i i need to need to fill up my tires and i've got one of those things in my car where i can you know plug it in and fill it up.

So i fill up the passenger side and i move around to the driver's side and i unscrew the thing on the driver's side front wheel and i look and there are splits this long all the way around the sidewalk.

I mean that tire is trash it hasn't lost air. But i was driving home from church on the freeway with the night before. Oh boy uh so my day has been uh you know discount tire and a few other things that the car required me to do.

That's what cars do to you. So um i don't know when i'm gonna get some of these things uh but we'll especially because i've only got like two weeks before i leave uh for new jersey and new york there's gonna be a debate with chadid lewis at new hyde park baptist church.

I need to get that information. Is that information isn't up. No that information isn't up on the on the on the website yet as far as uh anything with the debate with chadid. No actually didn't we send.

Yeah i think i think chris did send micah some stuff on the schedule for new york new jersey because it's been finalized for a while. Anyways we need to get it up there. I think it may have been blogged.

We just don't have a banner ad for it. I think that's i think it's what it was. I think it's on the blog someplace anyways that's coming up then i've got just a couple weeks after that and going to kiev and berlin and then a month after that it's norway and the g3 conference in georgia and now we're arranging another muslim debate in florida in march and wow um so anyway uh we'll do our best try to catch up.

Debates at the Gray Street Mosque and Lenasia Mosque

Uh i believe it was that evening uh that uh we then had uh the debate at the mosque in lenasia you'll see some shots uh from that with uh basheer varnia once again basheer wonderful nice guy uh the folks there at the mosque very kind in allowing us to be there.

Um there are just times that i i go basheer doesn't hear what i'm saying um i will make an objection to one thing and he'll respond to a different question um but um it was on who was the true founder of christianity gsr paul.

So i got to make some i think strong arguments in regards to the consistency of the message of the my muslim friends in all the debates the idea of equal scales equal weights uh applying the same standards again and i saw a number of muslims in the audience there in lenasia and they understand that lenasia by the way is a very indian area as is durban uh a lot of indian muslims that i was interacting with this time around not so much arabic muslims but indian indian muslims there and so we had a nice debate uh with um with basheer there in in lenasia and then the second year in a row and we didn't plan it this way uh it's just that well as soon as i got to uh johannesburg and i was staying uh just outside of western area on the one side of johannesburg uh i was informed by yusuf ismail that the debate which we've been trying to find a location for he had been trying to find a location for and we've been disappointed because we had hoped it would be in the mosque in uh in in durban uh that in fact it was going to be in the mosque but i did not know until the night of the debate that it would actually be in the masjid just like we did in irasmiya last year that i would be debating and stalking feet because i would be standing before the mimbar in front of the qibla um and in and actually in the masjid once again um and now in akhmed didat's home mosque uh we'll get to that in a moment but i was informed that basically as i arrived uh in in south africa and so uh for the second year in a row i was able to be in johannesburg with uh uh tim kentrell and his folks at antioch bible church for their conference and it did turn out to be exactly one year and in fact last year i was there when south africa played new zealand when the springbox played the all blacks in rugby which is big big big big big in south africa and um uh then lo and behold they were playing again uh this year same same weekend in fact we watched the game before i then gave my second presentation um on the subject of new testament reliability.

So uh since this time right at the end of the game the springbox came from behind and won uh the all blacks are just everybody everybody recognizes they're they're the best uh in the world and so to beat them and south africa is number two in the world this year.

So uh they were all very happy and we had a very happy time. But so you'll see some of the pictures. Uh last year they they gave me this nice green springbox jersey and this year i've got the nice white springbox jersey so i've got a collection now of both the home and away jerseys for for the springbok uh uh the south african rugby team um and so we had a great time there.

And then uh the next morning i preached for them in their services and then they've got a church plant and so as soon as i got done preaching we jetted and i preached at the church plant across johannesburg a bit and um it was at that church plant i'd wander i'm gonna forget a bunch of stuff because i mean it's a long trip i'm gonna i'm gonna forget a lot of things um but it was at that church plant that i was talking with some some young black brothers and this one young man said something to me and and again when i when i travel i am absolutely amazed absolutely amazed at where this program goes.

I i just i am i mentioned to you the the fellow in australia years ago that came up to me and you know this program had gotten him out of arianism he had been converted an arian church and it just didn't seem right.

And it was you know youtube and the dividing line that got him out of that and and uh you know going to pachis room last year and a couple came up to me and how much the dividing line meant to them. And in ukraine and and germany and it's just uh amazing uh the places that this this little webcast goes and so this young man is talking to me and he says you know i went to uni which is how it's said outside the united states i went to uni in durban and he said uh it was uh it was the dividing line uh that kept me uh sane and in the faith uh it was the uh it gave me the ability to respond to the liberalism and to just not lose my mind in the midst of of all the uh the unbelief.

And it's just uh amazing to to hear those kinds of uh stories. And and it happens wherever i go. So it always reminds me the responsibility that is ours the privilege that is ours uh to do this. But it also just amazes me where this this program ends up in uh in the world.

So i i preached on colossians chapter one there and uh uh in both places. And then uh had a wonderful i suppose i should mention this we we had the uh we had we ate right as i left last year we ate at this restaurant called uh spur at the airport and uh when i got in we went to spur for breakfast lunch whatever it was i mean after after you fly around halfway around the world you're you don't really know what time it is anyways.

And so rudolph and i ate it at spur and and i was just noticing the um i was just noticing the uh the total political incorrectness of this restaurant because it's all a uh uh native american theme and the the uh the menu has this guy dressed up like a chieftain on the front he looks italian to me.

Okay he looks like some guy from italy that they put feathers on is it. And and there's all this you know american indian stuff. I mean they're going after the redskins here in the united states and yet down there in south africa.

And then one of the other really popular restaurants it's a burger place called wimpy's. Yeah wimpy's. Can you imagine the advertising campaign united states. I want a wimpy burger. Yeah right. Sure uh-huh.

And then i took a picture it might pop up in the screen thing i was i was running. I got a chance to run along the beach in durban a couple times and um i passed this thing that was open later on the second day but it was closed.

Uh dinky donuts dinky donuts. So got wimpy's dinky donuts and spurs uh three things that would never fly never fly in the u .s but they're they're doing okay down in the in south africa. I thought that was funny.

Anyway uh we had a had a great lunch sunday afternoon tim and some others and we were uh tim just comes up with questions like i i don't know what uh he did it to me last year during the uh world view conference but i was the only one to answer the questions this time there were two other guys that sort of helped answer questions but well he can come up with the questions.

And um uh then uh that uh evening oh boy what did i do that evening. Oh yeah it just it just blew right out of my mind. Um oh yeah i went back. Okay sorry uh and jack bible church uh because there's a different location they were all these things every everything was in a different place.

And so we did a uh a seminar on reaching roman catholics uh at antioch bible and um it's really funny i managed to find this presentation on my mac on roman catholicism that was perfect for what i wanted to do that night.

Problem is i don't remember ever having made that presentation. I don't know when it was made for whom anything else but it was perfect. I had video clips in it and i'm just like i don't remember making that.

So that's what i used and uh they seemed to enjoy. It went really well. So i had a great time with tim and the folks at at antioch bible. And then uh the next morning uh rudolph and i flew to durban and that night i spoke at a church there in uh in durban there's only i've only got one picture of that in in here.

Uh next morning i spoke to another group same morning as a debate. I normally don't do that but that's how it had been arranged. And so we did a lot of speaking. Um and then tuesday night was the debate at the mosque and like i said until we got there i did not know where it would be.

Was it going to be in a room associated this this masjid and i posted pictures on facebook. It's for a long time was the largest mosque in the southern hemisphere uh and it has three levels so they're stacked on top of each other and room for 3 200 pyramids.

So it's uh it's it was. It's very it's historic it's very old it's rather ornate as you'll see in the pictures. Um and it was akhmed d dot's home home mosque home masjid. That's where he prayed that's where he would have spoken.

And um so as we got there that's when i discovered we're going to be doing. We did the year before in in arasmia and so i did not think that a digital presentation would be possible. So i had not made one uh but yusuf did use one.

Uh i don't know that it was an advantage because um you know yusuf will probably listen to this. But yusuf's use of slides way too much text way too fast and i think it leaves most people just going. Ah i think i was clearer without slides than yusuf was with slides.

I really do great debate two-part debate. Um it was on the christology of the gospel of john. So what i wanted to do is i wanted to have a muslim deal with the new testament text in a more focused fashion.

Me deal with the quranic text in a more focused fashion. Initially what i suggested was um john 5 john chapter 5 alone versus surah 5 alone narrow it down get deeper into the text. I think yusuf probably agrees with me now.

That's the way to do it at least that's the feeling i'm getting. Um but it ended up being all of john uh versus all the quran. And i thought it was very very useful. Um i really felt that i was able to communicate.

I've posted the opening statement from the first part of the debate on the blog. I got that uploaded from heathrow um during my layover there and i'm going to play the closing statement from the quran portion for the whole debate here in a moment um we were very warmly received.

Uh ipci did a very good job putting it together. Um there was never any feeling of animosity. And i've in in both situations there has never been any indication that i was to compromise back off. And the reality is i didn't.

Yusuf brought up some stuff that i like yusuf i like yusuf but the problem is the study that yusuf has done in these areas has been of material that just doesn't fly. And he made comments about john 1 1 and john 20 28 and john 858.

That just and so i was straightforward in my refutation and then when he got up and made his presentation um in response to what i said about the quran he was all over the place. He went after jay smith he went after sam shamoon.

He said iranaius was bumped off for questioning paul i mean this is uh this is some really wild stuff in there and i you know he went over his time so i had to give him more time for my rebuttal and uh you know i just i was very straightforward and if i said this is going to be my last opportunity to speak to these guys and and we had lost some of the audience by then.

It was late it was getting toward midnight because we hadn't started till late 15 and it was a full three hour debate and so it was it was getting toward midnight by the time we were wrapping up and uh so you know these were the serious guys and man when it was over these young guys went up and they're shaking my hand and um the imam had stayed there the whole time the the chairman of the board of the mosque had stayed there the whole time the imam and i had a real nice conversation afterwards.

It was just amazing to stand in ahmed d dot's mosque and defend john one uh john one one and john 858 and john 2028 and proclaim the gospel and to say the things that i got to say it was just i'm still processing it.

I uh every one of you who helped who donated toward that to make that possible. I hope when you see these pictures and eventually when you when you watch the video of the debate uh you will feel i had something to do with that.

I mean this was this was historic it was amazing and i think we have the opportunity of doing it again i the doors are open and uh south africa is a place where uh there's a tremendous muslim population and you've got a concentration of dawah that takes place there because of d dot because of ipipci that's it's there and there are still uh muslims there that i have yet to engage and uh with rudolf and his ability to with integrity set these things up.

Uh yeah now what i skipped up to this point was uh because you can see some pictures of this. It wasn't specifically on the subject of debating muslims but uh before the stuff with basheer we went out to pachastrum to northwest university and you'll see some pictures of me and john gilchrist uh rick oaks uh out there talking to the students about reaching out to muslims and um i'm getting more involved with northwest university.

Great folks i want to um prof hank there is a wonderful guy and i want to be of all the encouragement i can to them and i was talking to them. One of the things that that i want to really pursue with them is next year uh doing a lecture series in pachastrum in response to bart erman's uh book on the deity of christ how jesus became god and i think doing a an entire series going in depth something i've wanted to do on the dividing line announced we're gonna we're gonna get around to it.

There's just only so many hours in the day uh but especially if um if i could do something in cooperation with with uh northwestern university there in the theology department um that would give me even more impetus to be able to get around to finally doing that um who knows maybe publication of something along those lines uh but uh definitely want to the doors wide open in pachastrum for doing scholarly work at nwu on this subject as well.

So another major reason why this uh amazing south african connection pure providence pure providence. Because i won't even go into it right now. But but how rudolph and i got together is is just supernatural.

It's the only way to put it. I thought he had been contacted by someone that i had contacted ses knew. Nope he just he just happened to email and i thought it was because simon brace had put him in touch with me.

Nope it was just happened uh. And we know things don't just happen. So amazing stuff amazing stuff. So let's uh let's try this first run here. Let's uh uh let's listen to my closing statement. Um it is a pleasure to whoa whoa whoa whoa.

Uh not not that fast. At least i know that's how it's gonna work. Um let's listen to my closing statement and um i will fire up the slideshow here. So you'll see all sorts of stuff. Uh. But here's the um actually uh okay gray street open.

I hope it's uh i'll start it. We'll get to the right one. How's that. Uh. And uh let's we almost got there there. Here we go. I i confess i'm disappointed. Um i was hoping for a contextual islamic reading of those particular texts.

Instead i got attacks on jay smith sam shamoon. We had conspiracy theories about irenaeus being murdered. Well that's a new one. I teach church history. And if he was killed it was by the romans uh as a part of persecution of christians.

But that was because he said something about paul. Absolutely no scholar. I know it has any meaningful style. It has any. We got stuff about arias. We got up. We got low-level internet arguments. One plus one plus one equals one.

The standard. And then and then first john five seven with all due respect since he brought up low-level internet arguments. Excuse me at it. First john five seven one plus one plus one equals one. Those are low-level internet arguments.

And my friends until muslims get past that level we will never have meaningful dialogue. We will never have meaningful dialogue. Why do i take the time to understand the forms of tawhid. And hence the levels of shirk when the best islam has to offer won't get past the fact that first john five seven was irrelevant to the development of the doctrine of the trinity.

It's not a part of the new testament. We've known that for a long time. We've explained this for hundreds of years. How are we ever going to get beyond that's low-level internet argumentation and seem to going well.

You believe the father's holy god the son's holy god that makes three gods. No there's one being of god shared by three persons. You've got to at least try to address the difference between being in person.

I've already explained it. No attempt to do so. It's just so much easier to just play on prejudice. It's so much easier to play on prejudice. And i'm disappointed because well you know uh i mean the number of things that were brought up here were amazing.

Evidently what's being suggested is that even though muhammad in his day would have known about the argumentations concerning concerning theotokos and the nestorians and that's the background of the usage there he knows all that stuff.

But wait a minute then why isn't there any clear statement of what the doctor. Well because you people didn't know. Yes we did. All these people would have agreed that mary for example was not a deity that wasn't at issue exaltation of mary and stuff like that to the level of deity that has nothing to do with theotokos.

Theotokos is a christological title. It's a title of it's saying that the one who was born of mary was truly god. There's just so many of these things here that in in even 12 minutes i could not even begin to respond to them.

And if i did here's the problem. Um we wouldn't actually get to the subject of what we're supposed to be talking about. And so i'm going to focus on one thing in the few minutes that i have i was accused of a lot of things and i'm glad we're recording this because then you can watch the video when it goes on youtube you can listen to the audio you can start and stop it you can look up stuff.

And i challenge you to do that. Please do that. Don't don't believe what i have to say. I mean when yusuf is putting images up of semi-ramus and and trying to say it has something to do with the trinity.

That is so disappointing. I might as well sit here and say allah is the moon god. It's just just as bad an argument. It's just as fallacious just as ridiculous to any serious minded person. It's so disappointing.

I hope for such better but let me try at least to respond to the accusation. You've been inconsistent and you're dealing with the quran. I read through the quran. I read more of the quran than i needed to give.

So it would be context. He says you went someplace else that had nothing to do with that where he didn't give us. He didn't give you an example. In fact he ended up going to the same text. I did as if they were relevant accusations with no foundation.

But i want to look primarily at surah 547. Let the people the gospel judged by the law has revealed that. He says you didn't do this intertextually and all the rest of this stuff. Okay let's try in the seven minutes that i have left to speak to you to listen to this text and see what it says to us.

Did i mishandle it. Did i did i quote it out of context. I submit to you. I did not. What does it mean. I'm not really sure what we were being told. It meant it seems that yusuf is assuming a meaning of the term allah a term in jeal in this fact without demonstrating and proving from us that the quranic definition is correct.

What i'm saying is it would be very easy to what the people the book said about their scriptures because they would refer and we even to this day refer to the gospel as a general summary of all the new testament teachings.

And we also refer to individual books. Where's the evidence. The author of quran knew what matthew mark luke and john were. Where's the evidence. I've not seen an iota author. The author of the quran didn't know.

And so there's no interaction with that. There's no interaction in what's in those gospels. And there's no interaction with what the people of the book actually believed the gospel was. The assumption is made that this was something given to jesus.

Well we would agree in the sense that jesus said that his apostles were being dwelt by the holy spirit of god and the holy spirit of god would lead them into all truth. So that does come from jesus. But that's sort of irrelevant because the quran doesn't understand that either.

Let's listen to the text one more time and see if i'm being inconsistent in a contextual and let the people of the gospel judge by what allah has revealed therein. What does therein refer to grammatically fihi.

What's the antecedent. The gospel. That's the only thing in the arabic that is the antecedent. So how can we the people of the gospel judge by something we no longer possess. How can we do. It is not the assumption of this text.

And if you can show me something in the context that changes this please do. I wasn't shown anything that changes this. All i was just thrown out there. You're reading it a contextually. I'm trying to read it contextually and i want to ask what does it mean.

You can ask me what does 2 corinthians 13 14 mean which is a trinitarian passage by the way what does matthew 28 19 baptizing them in the name of the father the son holy spirit. You can ask me what that means and i'll tell you.

So i'm asking you. I am one of the people of the gospel. This is addressed to me. What am i supposed to do with it. Who am i supposed to judge. What am i supposed to judge. How am i supposed to judge by if i no longer have the gospel.

If the gospel is a book given to jesus disappeared by the days of muhammad how could anyone to whom this is addressed and anyone down through the centuries thereafter obey this text. How am i supposed to obey the quran in light of your beliefs.

If i can't then doesn't it make it meaningless. Now how is that a low-level internet argument. I'm looking at it and i think that's a very fair question because it says whoever does not judge by what allah has revealed um that just referred to the gospel then it is those who are defiantly disobedient.

I don't want to be defiantly disobedient. And yet this text is saying to me judged by the injeel just as the jews were told in the preceding section to judge by the torah. Now we know the torah still exists.

We know that because even the quran says that it's like the it's like it's like the quran itself. No one could ever write a book like it. So we know the torah still existed in this day. So if the injeel didn't exist how do these words make any sense.

You can make accusations and try to get people's emotions going. But it doesn't actually answer the question. Now there's all sorts of interesting questions about the milkites jacobites and historians.

I know what those people believe i know what their differences were. And if you're actually telling me that now the quran actually understands those differences that makes things a lot worse. It makes things a lot worse for you.

Because now you don't just have ignorance of the trinity in general and no meaningful interaction with that. Now you don't have any meaningful interaction with the differences between these various christological controversies.

I mean if the best you can come up with is well you know they did use the term theotokos and it does refer to mary. And so maybe that's the background that only makes things worse. Because if this is supposed to be mubinun if it's supposed to be clear if it's supposed to be the final revelation then now we should have even more intertextuality.

He used that term but i don't think yusuf wanted to use intertextuality. Because you see intertextuality is what you have in the relationship between the old and new testaments. It's what you don't have between the quran and the preceding revelations.

So what i had hoped for what i had really hoped for in the response was a muslim reading not stuff about iranais or or conspiracy theories or semi-ramas or any of this other stuff that is just completely irrelevant to what we're actually talking about.

Especially because it's just so far removed from any historically meaningful theory in regards to development of the doctrine of the trinity or quotes from raymond brown and people that again are so far off on the left that they would never believe raymond brown would never believe that a single word of the quran quoted jesus ascribed to jesus was true not a one.

Why do you quote him. Why do you quote him. He would never believe that there's anything historical in the quran about jesus at all. Well he wouldn't know he's dead. But uh he wouldn't even scales. Okay last minute some last chance.

I'm going to say anything to you. First of all to every one of you. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for being here. Thank you you've been listening. Even when i take my glasses off i can see you're you guys stuck through the end.

You may disagree with me. You may think man you've talked about stuff that i'm not sure about but i hope you understand. There's one thing that's true tonight. There's a man that flew from phoenix arizona to stand in his stalking feet in your mosque and to try to talk to you.

Because i love you i care about you. I care first about my god. In this truth we don't agree. We need to argue but we can argue with respect for one another. And i hope if you've heard anything you've at least heard that.

Check us out. Check out his his writings. Listen to him carefully. Check out my writings. Listen carefully to me even if i'm different. It's amazing what i've learned about you guys by honestly listening to people like sheikh yasser qadi and listening to what they have to say.

It's enriched my understanding where you're coming from and it's helped me to be more clear in my even in my objections. Please do that. Thank you and god bless all of you this evening. Okay so uh that was the final uh statement uh in the uh in the gray street uh mosque.