December 9, 2020 Show with Roger Salter on “The Wonder of the Incarnation”

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This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Wednesday on this ninth day of December 2020 and I'm always thrilled to have back as a returning guest a very dear friend and someone whom I absolutely love to interview.

His name is Roger Salter, he is rector of St. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama and today we are addressing a very appropriate and timely theme for this time of year especially, the wonder of the incarnation and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you.

To Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Roger Salter. It's good to reconnect with you. Amen, well before we.

Anglican Identity and the 39 Articles

Go into that theme, once again explain or describe to our listeners St. Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama, especially in light of the fact that the first thought that many have come to their minds that are not Anglican themselves is, wow you're having an Anglican guest on your show.

Is he very Roman Catholic or is he very liberal, does he even believe the scriptures and you could go on and on and on with the first thoughts that folks have come to mind because they're thinking typically of either of the extreme wings, the left and right.

I don't know if necessarily Anglo-Catholicism would be right but they are polar opposites from liberalism anyway but you have the liberals who are thoroughgoing apostates and who deny the pillars of the faith and then you also have Anglo-Catholics many of whom are involved in superstition, idolatry and the false gospel just like their Roman Catholic cousins so you have those extremes that seem to be the most prevalent things that most people think of when they hear Anglican unless they are Anglican.

They might even think those things if they are Anglican if they belong to either of those two polar opposite wings of Anglicanism but if you could tell us about Saint Matthew's Anglican Church in Birmingham, Alabama to distinguish yourself from those groups.

I'll try Chris,.

I mean Anglicanism. It shouldn't be that liturgy of a kind of service. In terms of script any human event should go down before us in the 39 articles and we in particular affirmation you know in accordance with those so many Anglicans of that mixture that you've outlined different.

Yes I've.

Seen that as disagreements interrupt on the internet in particular on even traditionalist Anglican websites. Yes. I saw an argument although never got nasty that I recall but I saw an argument rise up not long ago between reformed 39 articles Anglicans and Anglo-Catholics over whether or not it is appropriate to pray to saints and the Anglo-Catholics involved in the conversation were adamantly defending that practice whereas the 39 articles men were.

Denouncing that practice as idolatrous and just plain wrong. Yes it's so many different you know I don't want to be. Praise God. Well let me let our listeners know how they can get in touch.

With the Saint Matthew's Anglican Church of Birmingham, Alabama. First of all you could go to rogersalter .com the name of our guest Roger Salter and Salter is spelt s-a-l-t-e-r and also another website you can go to is stmanglican .weebly .com.

That's stm for Saint Matthew's anglican .weebly .com so hopefully we'll be remembering to repeat that information later on in the program and I highly recommend that you pay a visit to this fine church whether you're Anglican or not.

I have a very strong kindred spirit with Roger and I believe the only thing that I would likely disagree with him over is infant baptism and perhaps some realm of ecclesiology church polity or something like that.

But even Roger's congregation is independent like my Reformed Baptist congregation where I am a member is and I know that you also.

Uh you worship in the same facility as a Reformed Baptist church. We do you know it's like Spurgeon was saying there's only half a center. We don't touch on that half.

In common and rejoice in. Amen. Well uh this is a obviously a very appropriate and timely theme that we have for the Christmas season the wonder of the incarnation. Now perhaps for the sake of our non-Christian listeners and we do have those outside of the Christian faith occasionally who let their presence be known in my audience.

We do have Muslims who listen and we have those who are in aberrant groups that we would call cults. We have those sometimes who are none of those they are just searching for a religion that perhaps fills a void in their lives and they are curious about Christianity and maybe listening.

If you could if although our the majority of our listeners likely know this very well this.

Definition. Please if you could define the incarnation. Well I have I think since we.

Have such a lengthy program you may feel free to read as much of that as you choose. And of course.

If unless it exceeds two hours to read. And one thing I'd like to remind you brother is make sure.

That you keep your mouth towards whatever device you're using to speak into. Because sometimes you.

Get a little distant. That's much better. Praise God that wasn't very long at all. I'm going to.

Give our listeners our email address if they would like to join us on the air with a question of their own on the incarnation. It is chrisarnsen at gmail .com. Chrisarnsen at gmail .com. Please give us your first name at least your city and state of residence and your country of residence if you live outside of the USA.

And one thing we might want to get out of the way right up front is that I was raised Roman Catholic and I actually I learned more about Catholicism after I had actually become a born-again Christian and become a member of a reformed Baptist church especially since over the years I have orchestrated quite a number of debates primarily with Dr. James R. White of Alpha and Omega Ministries a brilliant reformed Baptist apologist and Roman Catholic opponents and I also have involved Dr. Tony Costa the professor of apologetics in Islam at Toronto Baptist Seminary on at least one debate with a Roman Catholic.

But it is interesting that many people even Catholics your average lay Catholic as they call them wrongly believe that the Immaculate Conception is referring to the incarnation of Jesus Christ referring to when God became flesh.

But that is not at all what the Immaculate Conception is referring to. It is referring to Mary the mother of Jesus having been immaculately conceived in.

Her own mother's womb. And am I not right on that. Absolutely which is an unnecessary deviation.

That is actually a heretical in my opinion and it actually takes away from the humanity of Jesus itself doesn't it.

It does to my mind yes. Well tell us why this precious beautiful truth of the incarnation.

Which actually begins at his conception. A lot of people may automatically think of the birth of Jesus being the time when he became incarnate but he actually became incarnate at the conception.

Of having been conceived in the womb of Mary right. Yes was it necessary for God.

To perform this miracle through the conceiving by the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ in the womb of Mary so that God could become flesh the second person of the Trinity could become flesh. Why was that necessary.

Why could not God the Trinity in heaven have saved his people from their sins without the step of the humiliation of Christ the the whole concept of him becoming flesh and having to not only suffer as all men do in unique ways on this earth but even in the very uh special way and and exclusive way that he suffered on the cross at Golgotha.

Why. Why was this uh something that began with the the incarnation. Why was it even necessary. Of course.

Honestly separate ourselves. In fact we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna pick up right.

Where you left off on the precious doctrine of substitutionary atonement. And if anybody we have to go to our first break. And if anybody would like to join us on the air with a question of your own again our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com c-h-r-i-s-a-r-n-z-e-n at gmail .com.

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Chris arnson at gmail .com. Always give us your first name at least your city and state of residence and your country your residence. And we were just in the midst of you talking about substitutionary atonement when we had to go to our station break if you could pick up where you.

Left off. Roger yes i'll try to. Uh in the anglican tradition readings uh recommendation and in a way it probably causes it means that there are passages we have to think about that we may not have been drawn and i wondered as a mistake because i think they not at all.

The incarnation. The fact that he became man. Certainly eloquently. Uh through a biblically.

Informed mind and a spirit filled heart. Uh doing a beautiful job uh explaining the incarnation. And before we go to the midway break uh i just want to. Well i'll just ask the question and have you answer it when we come back from the break.

Because we're gonna i don't want to interrupt you in mid-sentence but isn't one of the reasons that the incarnation was necessary is because god being not only completely holy and righteous but he is a god of justice and and he is not a god that sweeps things under the rug as some people might wrongly think of his grace and forgiveness and mercy uh he forgives those whom he loves and has elected uh because he indeed fully paid the price of justice for our sins through his soul.

And we'll have you uh pick up on that when we return and we'll also have some of our listener questions asked and if anybody else wants to join us it's chris arnzen at gmail .com uh to send in your your questions.

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