Brion McClanahan on Nationalism, History, the GOP, and Barbecue!

Morning Welcome to the conversations that matter podcast.

My name is john harris and I am Just very grateful to be joined today with a very busy man.

Dr. Brian mclanahan Uh, dr mclanahan. I'm just going to call you brian because I know you we've met a few times but you have your hands in so many different pots, so um, could you tell everyone a little bit about Who you are what you do and um, then the organizations that basically you're running

Okay, sure. Yeah, i'm, uh, i'm have a phd from university of south carolina in american history

Um, I have my own podcast the brian mclanahan show I'm also involved with the abbeyville institute, which is um an organization.

You've you've taken part in before our summer school And actually wrote a song about me. So, uh, this is great

I did yes But yeah, so I do that and of course, I also have a full -time job on the side

I teach at a community college in alabama and um, so i've got my hands in a lot of things Um, I do the podcast for the abbeyville institute.

I help organize the website and do that kind of edit The website so and I also have my mclanahan academy, which is um my online learning portal

Uh, it's i've got seven classes there now. It's a great way to uh, get the non -establishment history education

So if you're looking for that i've taught in the community college or a college environment for 20 years So I know what's going on there.

Um, it's not good overall And so a lot of people come to me and say where can I get? An education that doesn't involve uh, these, uh, you know left -wing professors or progressive professors and you can go to mclanahan academy and do it so I've got a new course, uh, which actually we're talking about this off air

But if you're a homeschooler if you're a lifelong learner, but the the newest course I have is u .s. History 218 .65

And it is a a comprehensive uh out of the box lifetime curriculum for uh for u .s.

History and so Um, it's 54 lectures. It's 18 weeks You've got reading seminars.

You've got lectures on material. You've got suggested reading tests quizzes So it's got everything you need if you want to have a homeschool curriculum that is not uh pc or Driven by the progressives or the establishment.

It's it's it's uh what I would want my kids Using and of course, we also homeschool my family does so it's um

After all the curriculum i've looked at it's it's something I thought I need to do this and put something out there that'll be good for For homeschool families, but also anyone who's not a homeschooler just wants to learn some u .s.

History So, uh, and because i'm doing this podcast, i've got a coupon code use the coupon harris

You get 25 off. So go out there and use that and get that class Well, thank you so much for putting that coupon code out there that's one of the reasons the main reasons

I wanted to interview you because I mean i'm frustrated beyond frustrated, uh with Education because I thought even christian education would be better and some of the same lies

That come from a marxist worldview. I was getting in secular education has also made its way into christian education and a lot of my listeners are christians, uh, they they value traditional american values and There's just not even a lot out there for homeschoolers.

So when I saw that you and you know With all your other endeavors you're doing in Somehow you found the time to put out this curriculum.

I was excited and i'm so glad that uh that we can Promote that so, um,

I wanted to ask you a fun question though before we talk a little bit about history and maybe some historiography um, who are you voting for in uh, 2020

Well, uh if it's uh When I when I voted in 2016, I never and i'll say this i've never voted for a main candidate mainstream candidate in And I can't remember how long?

um, so in 20, uh 2016 Uh, I voted for the uh for the constant.

Well, I guess it would be the constitution party i'm trying to think who was on the ballot that wasn't republican or democrat where I where I am and I don't even care because I just don't

I don't vote mainstream candidates. Uh, but trump is preferable to any of the other uh other candidates

Have you watched the any of the debates or seen clips or I watched the not this round but the round before that So it's your favorite if you had to pick a democrat if you had to who would you pick?

Well, they're all pretty bad in one way or another but the best just because of foreign policy would be tulsi yabbard and so the the congresswoman from hawaii um

She has the best foreign policy. Um, she's the most if you mean if you're kind of a libertarian lean that side

She's the most libertarian on some issues So I think she would be the best if I had to pick but of course she's not going to get the nomination

Um, I believe it's probably going to be joe biden, uh without a without doubt yeah, they're they're gonna of course i'm

I I i'm from delaware originally so joe biden was our senator for a long time and when I was there and So you know him?

Well, I I know joe biden. Well, yes So it's unfortunately he's going to probably get the nomination.

He's not a good choice Yeah, so you're not feeling the burn which is which is good I mean for for everyone who would be taking your history course, you just want to make sure um,

I wanted to ask you you've written a bunch of books and I'm, not going to name all the titles here.

But what's the favorite book the favorite project that you've worked on? Uh, well, I mean my favorite would probably be the founding father's guide to the constitution um

Because that's kind of the hub Of everything i've done now. It wasn't the first book I wrote When you look at my nine presidents who screwed up america or how alexander hamilton screwed up america

Both those books are based on that book when I was doing the publicity for the founding father's guide to the constitution

Um a lot I did a lot of media for that and inevitably it would come down to what do you think about the executive branch?

What do you think about, uh in the legislative branch and the powers or government in general? And I had a response to the executive question that virtually every president of the last 100 years should be impeached

And that really set people off. How can you say that? So I thought well I need to write a book just on the presidency and that was the nine presidents book

And that was one of my best sellers But my favorite still is that hub that constitution book because it it sets everything up I get into Originalism I talk about what the founding generation

Wanted the constitution to mean what they said it meant when it was ratified not just when they wrote it But when it was ratified and so I go through clause by clause

I actually have a class on the constitution at mcclanahan academy, too. So um, there's so much there that you can do and and um,

It's it's all designed to get these books compacted in so people can get those those lectures, too

Yeah, and I notice you you're trying I don't know if you're quite complete yet, but you're going to have a comprehensive american history

Not multiple courses there, right? Yes, it'll be two halves. Just like you would take at a university or a college

It'll be uh, the 218 65 1865 the president That second half will be out in the fall so if you're looking for an entire year if you're homeschool, you're going to get it all it's just You get the one part and if you sign up for the first one, you're going to get a great discount on the second

One, so okay. Well that comes out. Yeah good to know. So let me ask you this Both sides right and left are very dissatisfied

With the direction of the country and both sides think there's there's just something wrong something feels off and it has felt off for a while and You know, of course

I come from the probably the right side I'm more of a conservative and so I don't like the progressive direction that I see but there's those on the progressive side

I was just in california recently Uh, in fact, I when I went from san francisco driving to lassen national park.

I passed a sign that said welcome to jefferson and um There is a cultural divide in northern california in the more rural areas and the coast and so this is going on In our country right now, where did we go wrong?

As a country as a people what what's the problem? What's in the water that people are feeling? It's nationalism.

I think nationalism is At the root of why people are so angry in america And you know if you're if you're a trump supporter now nationalism sounds great because your guy's in office

And so that means you can go out and you can get what you want Theoretically, I mean we know that not everything works out that way, but you get what you want

But then what happens when you know, let's say biden wins next time or when obama was in office We don't like nationalism then because they're going to get what they want

So what happened is we have this one people idea that we're all just americans and everybody's going to get along We're just going to go behind whatever happens.

We know that doesn't work So the original constitution was a federal model, you know, we had the states that could handle

Domestic concerns and the central authority could handle commerce and defense and that's it Um, so even in a state like california, which is a huge state

You also have divides there and i've taught a lot of students from california because I teach near a military base

And you've got conservative students from california. You've got liberal students from california. It's interesting to see that Um, the conservative students are just really hate what goes on in the state the the liberal students

I mean, I love california. They think this is great. I love this place So you have that and I think what we really need to think about in america is how can we get along?

And one of the best ways to do it is simply live and let live and that's the In my own podcast I talked, you know, think locally act locally

It's what can you do in your own community that would make your life better? Uh and not worry about the center so much because the center

Is if it's pushing an agenda, that's not what you like It's going to make you pretty pretty cantankerous

And of course, that's when the progressives want to go out and yell at the sky Because they think they can't do anything about this and but if they just worried about their own backyard

Perhaps their life would improve and they would have a more positive outlook yeah, that that's a good word and I mean,

I know um, uh the Term that's often used for this way of thinking is the jeffersonian tradition, right?

And that america started out as this compact and then it's changed Where do you think we got off track with nationalism because I know different people put a different date and they think well

Woodrow. Wilson was the problem. No, it was lincoln. No, it was actually before that. It was hamilton I know you wrote a book about hamilton

Where do I say we got off track 1789? So it wasn't we didn't have a we didn't have long, right?

It was the when the congress passed the first judiciary act in 1789 Which created the federal court system

When they did that there was a part of that act that allowed for appeal of state court decisions of the federal court system

So once that happened In virginia recognized this. In fact, they tried to block it. This is the supreme court case cohens v.

Virginia Where virginia said look we're not going to allow that to happen in virginia once we make a decision in virginia, it stays in virginia and so Uh, these two brothers the cohens brothers

Were were arrested for selling lottery tickets in virginia and it was illegal to do

So they were they were actually maryland citizens selling dc lottery tickets in virginia Well, they were fined and instead of just paying the fine.

They got a lawyer who would sue in federal court. So skip the entire Virginia court system and went right to federal court

And uh, that was the marshall court and they said yeah virginia You can't do this. You can't you can't make it to where you can't appeal to the federal court so that federal court appeal changed everything because then you have a hamilton who's able to use his constitutional machinations his

His uh, you know smoke and mirrors and then of course marshall just simply echoed hamilton on the bench

Um, and so I think it's it's very clear It's right away from the beginning The nationalists were trying to voice this national system on the center on the united states from the center and and uh

Didn't have to wait till lincoln. It started right away now, of course, you know edmund burke is famous for the absolute power corrupts absolutely and From coming from like a biblical understanding of human nature

Humans love the idea of controlling things and we have a sin nature that that likes to run amok

And so is this just an inevitable? Uh, is this in the fabric of just anything like if we try let's say we today we went back to the

Uh original constitution and I know we can't but let's say hypothetically Would we just run this course again?

You think or or is there some wisdom that we're missing? Um, I think that's that's a very good question.

Um, that's philosophical. I I think that we probably would get back here I mean look Hamilton for all of his wrongs actually said in in june of 1787.

He made a speech in the philadelphia convention. He said look Here's what we need to do. We just need to have an elected king Why because we're going to get there anyways, right so let's just skip over all the nonsense

We're just going to go right to that. It's going to we're necessarily going to get there. So we just should go there right now And and I mean he was right.

I mean he he was absolutely right now hamilton helped bring that about but I think that uh human nature,

I mean if you believe in uh from a christian worldview and and um, in sin, uh, and you believe in The fall of man and you believe that uh, you know original sin

Well, then you're going to you're going to see that this is actually going to happen as man does these things man is going to corrupt so um

There's really no perfect government system. You just have to and this is what the founding generation I talked about it all the time

There's no perfect government system, but there's some that could maybe work better Um, and so perhaps they tried to create that But of course you're going to see people get in the way and and as you get cultural imperialism

My way is better than your way. So you need to live like me or whatever the case may be That's that's really going to factor into that too now, that's a this is a really good segue brian because um historiography was something

I wanted to at least briefly talk to you about the study of history and and how we approach that and You just I think articulated what a conservative traditional american conservative would think that there is no perfect system and you need to live with the people that are actually in your community and You know learn to love them and and make it work the best you can uh, and it gets dirty on the farm, but there is uh

A system of thought now that I sense that says we can reach a utopia and I see this in the democratic party especially but i'm not going to say it's not in the republican party, but Uh, we're just getting better and better.

Look we've eliminated slavery We gave women the right to vote. Uh, and now I mean fast forward. We had the civil rights movement and now lgbt concerns

I mean, we're just we're laying off all the constraints that even nature poses on us and through technology and through Um, just you know, all all the social improvements coming out of the government.

We're going to get there And there seems to be a fundamental difference um between looking at the world through that way and then looking at the world the way that you just Articulated is is that the difference is that is is that what's wrong with history the study of history today that they're looking at It that way or what do you think?

Um That's a very good question. Uh I think that what you find in history is that look there's no

Objective history. So and if you if you've never read the books, uh novix that noble dream.

Um, it's about objective history It just doesn't exist um, but You look at the biases in history and this has always been there and I think that certainly when you talk about the progressives

Uh and progressive historians and leftist historians. I think that they are drawn to that kind of idea that yes

We can achieve the perfect I mean if we just had this program or this thing we could get to here and that would be perfection

But the problem is they're never happy with any of that. So they keep moving the goalposts Once we get this it'll get this and then we're gonna that and then we have to get this right now if you go back and I know that um

I believe you had zachary garris on your on your program. I did. Yeah so he just came out with that little book on dabney and You know from from uh, if you look at the south and you look at what southerners were saying right after the war um about Society whether it was dabney whether it was women like, um, augusta jane evans um and others they were talking about what would happen with this

Reformist mentality the pandora's box was going to be open and then you couldn't you couldn't close that lid I mean once you once you allow for whatever social reform that might be beneficial today

It's going to lead to this social reform that social reform is going to keep moving and it's never going to stop So I think that historians have been drawn to that because they look at history as a crusade

It's a constant crusade a constant movement So that factors into that where we got to go from this step to this step and these are these are positive movements

It's it's positivism is what it's called Um, but that's certainly part of it. There's always a positive movement for for mankind rather than just the idea of say a cyclical uh mankind where you know

Things come around they go what goes around comes around and that man is the is the center of all of that And so as man as human nature never changes they believe you can change human nature

And that's the whole point. So there's an anthropology at the bottom of this a fundamental disagreement about Who man is and then and man's nature?

Absolutely. I mean, it's it's basically rousseau and and hobbes, right? Or rousseau and aristotle.

Um, but you know rousseau's belief that if we didn't have civilization We would all just sit around the campfire hold hands and sing kumbaya.

I mean that would be it Civilization made man bad or you take hobbes who would say no.

No, no, you're completely wrong Look, it's if we didn't have civilization we'd all kill each other Uh, because man is inherently evil.

So we need to have civilization. It makes man better um I I really think the left today believes in some way.

There's a there's a part of them that does not like civilization Particularly western civilization because they think it's made people greedy

Uh oppressive it's done all these things to make people bad and they don't really see The positive out of it that has actually come with it um now i'm not sure if the if the american leftists they're not

I mean, they're bernie sanders is a real marxist. But you know Ocasio -cortez is I mean, she's not really a

She's she says she's a democratic socialist what these people really want more is just a seat at the table They want more than what they're getting and they have all these, you know utopian ideas um

But I really do believe that's part of it. It's it's an attack on western civilization because I think it's made people bad

Um, and that's that's unfortunate because it's done so much good in the world, uh without it We would be in real dire straits yeah,

I was actually just looking at some stats on the poverty line in this country and Those who are below the poverty line

A lot of them are actually richer than the middle class in many european countries, which is amazing to me We've had such an amazing

System, uh in this country and and to rip it down as oppressive is is just very disheartening for someone who who loves it and Likes the ideals it was founded on.

Um, I want to ask you you'll go here's one more thing to say about that You know, if you look at the poorest person in america today and you compare them to the wealthiest person in the middle ages

Yeah, there's no comparison right? I mean you take charlemagne from the great king of kings Uh in the 9th century ad charlemagne would love to have a lower middle class house because it would have

Power and air conditioning have shoes. He'd have things that you could get ready readily available food

Uh that you don't have to I mean worry about having some type of illness from I mean It's it's amazing what we have the medical care.

We have the worst medical care in america is better than the best medical care in the middle ages, so Um, we take all this for granted.

Uh, we really do and that's that's a sad thing about it yeah, yeah, yeah good word on that, um,

I wanted to ask you because we were talking about this, uh, Wiggish kind of notion that you know, we're we're kind of going towards this utopian dream and this was

It is on the left. There's a marxist undercurrent and so forth and rousseau and hobbs, but on the right

Uh within the last what five years maybe and i'm sure it's existed before then but it's become popular now to say

Well things are getting better and it's all because of the republican party And i've gotten so used to hearing this every time a leftist wants to bring up slavery or the civil rights movement or Any kind of oppression in america's past?

There's always a republican there to jump in and say well, you know It's the republican party that actually got rid of those things and is making things better and that's trump's in that tradition

I know that's historically Tenuous at best there's there's something wrong with that. Could you explain to my viewers?

What's wrong with that? Uh, why is that thinking dangerous? Well, I mean it depends on which republicans you're talking about, right?

So when you look at the republican party even in the 1860s um lincoln a lot of people Lincoln was just as racist as any democrat in 1860.

I mean he said as much in 1858 Um, he was willing to keep the union together and keep slavery if it kept the union together willing

Lincoln said as much he was willing to do it. In fact as late as 1865 He promised alexander h stevens that if the south just comes back in Uh, you can vote down this 13th amendment or maybe we can postpone it maybe to 1890 who knows we can put this off While y 'all come back in and get acclimated again, we'll put we just want the union back together.

In fact, there's a school of thought That lincoln was trying to create some type of conservative party

Uh on at the end of the war that if he could get some old southern wigs And of course, maybe some northern democrats and maybe some northern wig and they could kind of put this thing together

They can marginalize the radicals in the republican party So yes, there were people in the republican party who would be considered the progressives

They would be the people today who were trying to push the envelope and of course Abolition was one of those things and we can all recognize that, you know slavery ending slavery is a good thing, right?

But the way it was done is always the question And lincoln's response when alexander ate stephens again from the south said well

What are you going to do with the slaves? He said they can root hog or die. Well For years the north had been able to end slavery on their own terms.

They could do it gradually They could they could integrate these people in society So what you do in the south is just say all right slavery's ended now get do everything on your own

We're not gonna I mean we might try to help you maybe we can but you're on your own really And now you're talking about three million people without really much education.

No property uh, they they have to integrate in society and a society that's now destroyed by a war and there's going to be some some

Backlash to that. So I mean this this is hard and it could have been done better So certainly there's that um now as far as racism

I mean look everybody in the 19th century for the most part was racist You can't find anyone that wasn't even the republicans who were so so -called saviors of african -americans in the south

You look at what some of these people were saying and it was just some of the most vile racist things you'd ever see uh, and David willman i'm not going to use the language but david willman of pennsylvania who was trying to prohibit slavery in the territories

Uh said look we want these territories for free white men. This is what they are free white men. We don't want any

Former slaves any any freedmen any slaves? We don't want them there because we want this for white people So that was certainly the undercurrent of the republican party now fast forward to jim crow um, and you look at Um, jim crow that came out of the north if you read c van woodward's the stranger career of jim crow

He points this out. It was northerners who created jim crow and then the south adopted it um, you look and there was a a

Newspaper article from connecticut back in the it was the 1850s It's about a train car a woman who was there with her slave traveling to connecticut

They told her to go stay in the in the slave car because or the the colored car they Uh, because she was there with a with a this is the jim crow car

Because she was there with a with an african -american woman her slave so um The north is not free from this and the republican party is not free for this look

There's also a theory that the republican party was really the party blocking Civil rights more than anything else.

They could have brought these things to a vote and they refused to do so at times Um, so it wasn't necessarily just the democrats republicans were complicit in this stuff

Uh, and I think that's that's just short -sighted to say the republicans good democrats bad. Yeah going going out west.

I mean I think of General sherman and what he said about native americans, uh, I don't even know if I want to repeat but um, right.

Yeah, I I just Stretch my head when I hear that and it seems like history is now being politicized

From both directions as a weapon to just hammer each other. There's no actual like well, let's understand before we

We start cherry picking things from the past and that concerns me, which is why I really

Appreciate, um, i've heard you before at abbeville and um I I was actually just on the website looking at some of your lectures and I appreciate the way you approach this

Because you really seem to want to understand what happened before making judgment calls um

I mean, it's you shouldn't do look history is about understanding history is remembered past and how do we remember the past?

And not just that how how do we understand the past? I mean, can we understand say? Uh an 1850s, uh individual who is racist can we understand what they were saying about things?

Um, and and not that we would agree with them, but can we understand the context of the times? Can we understand what's going on there?

Um without having to pass judgment on them from the beginning just and I have a colleague I was talking the other day about john c calhoun

And I said look I was I brought up something with calhoun and he said oh, yeah calhoun's but I mean he just uh,

He's awful. I said why is he awful? Well, because he said those things about slavery. Well, okay but did he say anything else that was worthwhile and and We're just going to outright say somebody is no good because of something that they said that we don't like Well, there's also that notification thing.

Well, I mean, what was he saying about that though? I mean, why did he say these things and when he said them and he really couldn't answer that and this is a historian um, so And I like the guy he's a great guy

But I mean he just it's that it's getting locked into these platitudes these slogans calhoun bad because he said these bad things

So we just can't like him anymore Um, we can't value anything you had to say about anything whatsoever and that's a trap because it puts us in an intellectual box

Yeah, I I remember a quick story a few years back. This was at a university, uh professor who claimed to be an expert in civil war history

Uh, I had um, he had actually Kind of in an aggressive way said well, how can secession be legal?

This was treason I said well and one of the things I brought up I said what about the the ratification agreements?

He said what ratification agreements said? When the constitution was being ratified like virginia and new york, uh, you know, they they said that they could leave and That doesn't exist.

I don't know what you're talking about And and this is someone who went through a phd program at a prominent state -run university and is teaching uh,

I I just can't fathom you you never heard of that so um We need we need

We need good historians really bad Well, I mean, that's that's a good point. Most historians are so specialized now that they

Don't want to get outside. I mean he's a civil war historian, but he doesn't know anything about the constitution and that's that's important because The war had this constitutional component to it.

It wasn't just you know battles and and leaders and you had to understand the constitutional part of it and Uh, but historians are very specialized now

And one of the things that i've always tried to do is get into a variety of different things I don't want to just focus on the war.

I don't want to just focus on the constitution I want to do other stuff because it helps me as a historian Understand more.

I mean so it's context. It's fun to do more stuff and historians used to do this why is it that if you're

If you go into history, you have to just focus on one thing your entire career and just focus on that all the time um, that's that's number one is boring and number two

It doesn't as you said give you that context or that understanding a deeper understanding of american history All right.

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Thank you so much, uh, brian Final question for you here. Um, and i've been asking this a lot.

I'm on a kick a barbecue kick, I guess Uh, everyone's got a different opinion about barbecue. What is your favorite style?

Is it north carolina, south carolina, texas arkansas Memphis, what would you like? Well, I mean when

I was in south carolina ate a lot of maurice's barbecue, which is Carolina, so I would have to say that that's my favorite.

Um now where I live now, we do not have very good barbecue Uh, it's just it's not good. It's okay.

But I mean it's it's not What I like now I like pulled pork Um, so i'm not a big fan of brisket's okay

But I like good lean pulled pork and um, it's if you don't do it Right, if you chop it up, you got too much fat and gristle and it's not as good

Uh, so, um, I like it good and lean and I like that that pulled feel and um, but that that maurice's that hash

They put on it at maurice's What I always like to do is get their homemade coleslaw Just put the barbecue slathered and then put the coleslaw on top smash it all together

You got a coleslaw barbecue sandwich It was just I ate there probably three times four times a week when

I was in graduate school there So, oh, I wish I lived by there. I take their hickory, uh mustard base.

That's my favorite. Um, yeah, it's good And I love it. Are we gonna have a history of barbecue class on mcclanahan academy?

Uh, well, I don't know. I don't think i'm that well versed I do know a guy that uh, but uh, he's uh, he's in he's one of clyde wilson's students as well

Um alan cornet and he does barbecue history. So really? Yes. I don't know if uh

Well, i'm not gonna have him teach for me But I mean if you wanted to get a guy on to talk about barbecue, I'd get you in touch with him

I would yeah, I mean I'd rather have someone that can make it than teach it But uh, you know, that's I was just talking in my last broadcast with trevor loudon who's an expert on communism

He's from new zealand and I asked him do they have barbecue new zealand? He said no It's just you know, I get a pork chop put it on a grill

So he came to america and got introduced to barbecue and doesn't want to leave so Yeah, well,

I mean in the north even when you say barbecue They think you're talking about a hot dog and a hamburger, right? On a grill now you're from new york, right?

Yes. So I grew up in new york Yeah, i'm actually originally I hate I try to hide it but I guess it's gonna be i'm from california originally

Okay, right But I got a lot of family in mississippi and we would go down and get real barbecue and you know

I go back up to new york and they say we're gonna have a barbecue and it's like a hot dog That's right. That's what it is in the north.

It's it's on the grill. So it's not real barbecue But uh, if you ever get a chance if your listeners are not from the south and they get a chance just to go through You should try try some of the barbecue joints because it's just it's life -changing you get southern barbecue.

That's right Nothing like it. You'll never leave but make sure you're conservative and you value southern traditions

Because if you're a yankee listening to this who doesn't care about You know The gun rights and all that kind of thing, you know, don't don't don't come and stay here.

So That's right. There you go Brian, thank you so much. I appreciate it. God bless.