Real Church Growth - [2 Timothy 2:2]

Worship, Church Growth, and the Need for Discipleship

Well, I'm glad I don't believe in dream interpretation. Last night I woke up in the middle of a dream and I dreamed that even though it was a Labor Day weekend there wouldn't be very many people. There were eight of you here, and I was preaching and Kim and the kids weren't here, so I don't know what all that means, but I'm glad you're here today to worship.

Do you know you receive worship and give worship rather? When you listen to a sermon and so I would encourage you to have your Bibles open when we get to the text and To come to this part of the service as when we give our offerings when we hear scripture read when we hear Music when we sing music that is all an act of worship because God deserves that worship and so too is Preaching.

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Happy, honey. It is my premise this morning that one of the ways that God builds his local church is through discipleship. You want a church that grows and I'm not talking necessarily about numbers although that will come but you want a healthy growing church, then it will be done through God's ordained means of Discipleship.

One man or woman teaching another man or woman. I if you haven't noticed I'm a fan of discipleship. I Love discipleship. It pays off. Some 12 to 13 years ago. I began a discipleship relationship with another man.

I don't know if he initiated it or I did. I Do remember that one of the first times we were to meet it was going to be at Denny's at 630. I do remember that person was late. I also remember saying to that person.

This will be the last time you're late. We were going over Princeton theologians book Charles Hodges primer for systematic theology for layman and That man was never late again. He learned he was growing he was changing.

He began to speak at rest homes. He was a different man at home. He began to go to seminary he began to study for the ministry and his name today is pastor Steve Cooley and Now Steve is more of a co-laborer with me than a disciple.

I am a fan of discipleship. A Book some time ago said this is what you do in a local church to have it grow. You want church growth. Here's what you do one Bible knowledge good personal devotions fine worship witnessing lay ministry missions giving fellowship.

Distinctive lifestyle attitude towards religion social service and social justice. My question to this morning is where is discipleship? Where's that's the lost ingredient? It's missing. If I had to sum up one of the goals for this church is that you would be discipled and that you would be a discipler.

Say what is discipleship? Well Discipleship is finding someone that knows more than you do about the Lord Who walks in a manner more worthy than you do and have them teach you everything they know so that you too could emulate.

Emulate that teacher and is also on the same Page finding someone who knows less than you do and teaching them everything, you know, so that they might grow. Alan hadid Ian said this is what discipleship is quote.

It's a long definition. So you won't have time to write it down. Discipling others is the process by which a Christian with a life worth emulating Commits himself for an extended period of time to a few individuals who have been one to Christ.

The purpose being to aid and guide their growth to maturity and to equip them to here's the bottom line reproduce themselves in a third spiritual generation. Training someone so that they and to they too might train someone one day if you'll take your Bibles, please and turn to 2nd Timothy.

We will look this morning at discipleship why it is needed in the church and why it is more important. Not that just the elders do it, but that everyone does it and I would say as a church I am NOT giving you some kind of a backhanded exhortation.

You disciple as a church. I commend you for that 1st Thessalonians chapter 4 verse 1 and verse 10 says to the church of Thessalonica. You are doing a great job. Now continue that great job and excel. What?

Still more this church understands discipleship and today. It's just one more nail. On that idea that we need to continue. Continue the discipleship relations we have and then go further. This will be the last sermon that I've been stalling before we get to the Time next week when our church family is back.

And we have more than eight people here for the service back to Matthew chapter 5 next week 17 through 20. But today, I want to talk about something that certainly Jesus expected his disciples to do and that was to reproduce.

But before we get any further. I just want to put a warning out there. This is dangerous stuff when iron sharpens iron what comes out of that? Sparks fly this is dangerous. Cheap Christianity that requires little is gone in discipleship.

We can come on Sunday morning Sunday school, and it's good to do and listen and nobody ever has to Challenge us personally we can just sit there audit the class. You can come Sunday morning Sunday night home groups, maybe a little less.

But we can come to church and we can audit the whole thing, but when you're involved in the discipleship showing up accountability Standards plumb lines fail or succeed you can fail or succeed when you're in a relationship that's called discipleship and Bill Hull writing in the pastor who disciples book says you can always get a crowd if You demand very little and put on a show.

But you'll really see who those are who want to say yes to holiness and righteousness and no to their own sin. When you say why don't you follow me and let's disciple you it is also good for the discipler.

Isn't it because then you have to live a life? That's worth emulating and so it cuts both ways. Long gone in discipleship is the church mentality that says what can the church do for me? Where can I get my needs met?

Why don't I feel good when I leave? Why does the pastor make me feel guilty? Why do I have to do it if I don't feel like doing it? We're at a time in our church now where you can see Jesus with his disciples.

Passing it on to the next generation in the next generation where even though it hurts some and even though the sparks fly. This is God's ordained way of making people more like Christ. Discipleship you should be a disciple.

You should be a discipler. It is my goal with the elders to have everybody here in a discipleship relationship. Let's just ask maybe by show of hands. How many people have ever been discipled raise your hands by someone else.

That is unbelievable amount. How many people have ever discipled someone else? That is a great amount and my goal is that you would excel still more that you would realize. This is what the Bible says about discipleship.

And even though I know it's going to hurt. Even though it's gonna hurt my pride and I'm gonna have to be humbled even though I might be able to fail. I want to be more like Christ and in 2nd Timothy chapter 2 we see the main passage that talks about discipleship and We will see right in here that Paul never thought about the two words going together passive and Christian.

They are oxymoronic to him. They are moronic and oxymoronic as well. Passive Christian. Paul would never expect that one of his disciples would be a coaster a Loafer a lounger a Sunday only person. Someone who said to me recently not at this church, but they said my Christian walk.

I try to do the bare minimum just enough to get by. Does God bless that kind of attitude just as little as I could do? I'd hate to kind of overdo it in my lazy boy chair. Let's just go through the first chapter before we get to chapter 2 because it's all linked.

Remember chapter divisions were added later. Most of them are good. Some of them are bad and in 2nd Timothy chapter 1 verse 1 we come to this Epistle that's even different than 1st Timothy and Titus because it is so personal.

Paul is about ready to have his head chopped off on the Ostian way for his faith. And he writes this letter this last will and Testament. Talking about the glorious good news of the gospel and he is telling his disciple.

Here is the truth that I'm gonna hand over to you. And here's what I want you to do. So before we get to chapter 2 verse 2, let's do the first chapter. Paul an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God.

According to the promise of life in Christ Jesus that glorious gospel that we can have eternal life because we have been able to know Christ this is eternal life that you may know him and He's writing to Timothy my beloved son grace demerited favor Mercy and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Paul's had his first defense. He's gonna have a little more judgment and then impending death and he says boldly to Timothy in his jail cell. I thank God whom I serve with a clear conscience the way my forefathers did as I constantly remember you in my prayers night and day.

Longing to see you Timothy, even as I recall your tears so that you may be filled with joy. For I am mindful of the sincere faith within you which first dwelled in your grandmother Lois and your mother Eunice.

And I am sure that is in you as well. For this reason I remind you to kindle afresh the gift of God, which is in you through the laying out of my hands. But God has not given us a spirit of timidity but of power and love and discipline.

Then he says I'm gonna want you to suffer courageously Timothy. Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord or of me his prisoner, but join me in suffering for the gospel. Is there a better cause to suffer for?

More profound cause more eternally relevant cause to suffer for according to the power of God who has saved us and look at when the salvation was effectuated and Called us with the holy calling not according to our works.

But according to his own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity. But now has been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus who abolished death. Think about that for a minute and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.

For which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle and a teacher. For this reason I also suffer these things. But I'm not ashamed for I know whom I have believed and I'm convinced that he is able to guard.

What I've entrusted to him until that day makes you want to sing. You've got to be faithful Timothy retain the standard of sound words, which you have heard from me. When I discipled you Timothy, those are the words that you say in faith and love which are in Christ Jesus.

Guard to the Holy Spirit who dwells in us the treasure which has been entrusted to you. Because not everyone's faithful Timothy. You are aware of the fact that all who are in Asia turned from me. Among whom are figellas and homogenies.

Good news. Oh some were faithful the Lord grant mercy to the house of Onesiphorus. For he has often refreshed me and is not ashamed of my change. But he went chains, but he went to Rome when he's in Rome.

He eagerly searched for me and found me. The Lord grant to him to find mercy from the Lord on that day and you know very well what services he rendered at Ephesus and Now we come to the charge on the deathbed.

Here comes the command. Here comes the imperative look down at verse 3. And you can understand this. Here is the lieutenant giving orders as he's about ready to die from his battle wound. Suffer hardship.

It's a command boy. That's an interesting way to do it. Suffer hardship with me and then he gives. Some ways that you should suffer. Some ways that you should think about ministry. Some illustrations and here he says as a good soldier of Christ Jesus.

What do soldiers do. What determines a soldier's mentality verse 4? No soldier in active service entangles himself in the affairs of everyday life. He can't be caught up on the batting averages of the Red Sox in the trenches.

Single-minded focus. He can't be a master of everything. He's got to know about fighting and soldiering. That is his one purpose. Maybe an occasional look of his wife in a picture, but it is back to the battlefield.

Ministry is a battle and Paul says to Timothy you be single-minded. Suffer well as a soldier suffers. So that he may please the one who Enlisted him as a soldier and as God called Paul as an apostle.

So to God called Timothy as a Christian as a pastor and he says act like a soldier. I get that. He goes to another step and he says act like an athlete in ministry. Verse 5 of 2nd Timothy 2. Not just a soldier but an athlete and if anyone competes as an athlete.

He does not win the prize unless he competes according to the rules. Paul's second illustration. He says you're gonna act like a single-minded soldier and you've also got to act like an athlete who runs properly.

I was never big on high hurdles when I was a kid. But you just can't run around the side. There's a hurdle and you run around it and you beat everybody else and I've won. Paul said there are things here with the athletic contest this athletico and You have to run between the lines and Paul says Timothy.

These are your lines Genesis and Malachi you run between these lines are the Jewish canon Genesis and 2nd Chronicles. Here's your lines. You run in those lines. You're not just a soldier, but you're an athlete.

An athlete also has the idea of effort untiring labor to the point of sweat. Sometimes when I used to play basketball inside in human, Nebraska Gym at the University of Nebraska, I would get done working out after five or six full court games.

I would take my t-shirt off and I would wring it into my Cup that I just drank and I could wring out at least eight to ten ounces of just sweat. Now what kind of pictures in your mind now because if you're in really good shape you sweat a lot and you sweat easily.

No, it's this kind of toil that cost you sweat was the last time you saw an athlete that didn't sweat. I Know some of you love golf, so I won't say anything. Just kidding. There are different degrees.

The idea biblically though as they would think about the Olympic Games and the Isthmian Games in Corinth. Soldiers are single-minded and athletes are tireless and they sweat and they toil and that's just what ministry is.

And Paul's telling Timothy this on his deathbed. Sometimes do a little study and find out what people told those in the room on their deathbed their final words. It's amazing. But he didn't just talk about a soldier.

He didn't just talk about an athlete, but he talked about something else that every minister needs and therefore when the ministers train the congregation. They need to verse 6 Soldier athlete and now the hard-working farmer Ought to be the first to receive the share of crops.

Farmers to farmers had to work hard farmers had to work patiently persistently diligently doggingly. And you say when you step back and you think about ministry, you've got to be like a soldier. You've got to be like an athlete and you've got to be like a farmer and I get all that do you?

Now he says something in 2nd Timothy. You probably noticed I've skipped over some verses. Haven't I before he says act like a soldier act like an athlete act like a farmer. What does he tell the pastor or the elder or the leader of the church to act like before he even gets to these?

Soldiers athletes and farmers. What does he say? Here's what I want you to act like. He says here you go, Timothy. I'm laying there on my deathbed. I'd love to see you, but if I don't here's some words for you.

Here's some words for you my son before you're a soldier and athlete are a farmer you are to be a Disciple. That's amazing to me. You were to be a teaching disciple er, you were to disciple men. I'm dumbfounded by that.

Right there in your Bible 2nd Timothy chapter 2 verses 1 and 2 before soldier athlete our farmer discipler. And I would say it is fair to look at a church and to see how much they disciple and then you could tell how healthy that church is.

If you want real church growth, then you're going to be a discipler and you will be discipled. Well, let's come to the heart of our sermon today. 2nd Timothy chapter 2 verse 1 and 2 that's a long introduction.

But that's just the way it goes. Somebody said to me that they're they were used to 15-minute sermons. I said I could never teach a 15-minute sermon because that's just the introduction. Everything is important in context.

Yes, and you just have to work up to that. Second Timothy 2 1 says you therefore my son. Be strong or be strengthened literally in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. Before even disciple or he's saying you're not going to be able to do this on your own.

Sweat and toil and labor as you might you will have to be strengthened by the risen Savior to do any of this ministry. You have to be dependent on God and what he's done. Because the first time you think it's your ministry, you're gonna fall the first time you think oh I put this together and it is my church and it's this and that look at that.

And look at how they look at me and everything else. This is a church that is built by Christ Jesus as the actor the active one and we are passive in that and we played the part of being his hands and feet.

But we are not the head of the church. We have no power dwelling within us and he says be strengthened just like Ephesians 6 10 does. By the grace are in the grace that is in Christ Jesus be continually empowered.

Be plugged into the source as it were be strengthened. It is a passive present imperative that is to say passive. It is something done to you present. It should be done to you all the time. Imperative it must be done and then he says in verse 2 the things which you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses in front of others at Ephesus in front of other apostles and many other people and Trust these two faithful men who will be able to teach others also.

There's where we get discipleship if you want the key verse of discipleship in all the Bible here it is just remember 2 2 2 2nd Timothy 2 2 and here's what he says. Let's pick this apart. Let's Expound this let's explicate this.

Let's look at it a little bit. Entrust these two faithful men. Commit these two faithful men. You know what this word means. It means to make a deposit. Anybody here still have safety deposit boxes you go there and you make a deposit in the safety deposit box.

That's exactly what this word here. You've got something valuable. You need it kept safely, then you Entrust it. You see back up in chapter 1 he's used the word already in verse 14 Guard through the Holy Spirit who dwells in us the treasure which has been Entrusted to you.

Timothy the Gospels been entrusted to you the law free gospel that says Jesus Christ Loves sinners and saves them from their own sin from Satan from the world and he does so by dying at Calvary in a substitutionary Way confirmed by God raising from the dead.

This has been entrusted to you. You're a leader. Here is the the valuable deposit now you take that deposit and you just don't hide it under a bushel you Deposited to someone else you actually guard it by giving it to someone else because Timothy you too one day are going to die.

You want something kept safely. You deposited. Are you committed. Are you entrust it you got it for me you give it to someone else. And not everybody was like Paul in Galatians. It says in chapter 1 Speaking of Paul.

Paul speaking rather for I neither received it from man nor was taught it. But I received it through a revelation of Jesus. Paul didn't have to be Discipled by anybody. Jesus just said Paul. Here's the information for you how he did it.

I don't know. It's like he did it that way. That's not the exact way, but Paul received the revelation. Whether it was visible whether it was just implanted into his brain whether it was audible. We don't know but it was something from Jesus himself, but Jesus doesn't do that today anymore.

He says I'm going to entrust this message to someone else. By human discipleship. That's why I want you to be discipled. I Want you to come to this church and say, you know, I just want to be free. I just want to be unshackled.

I just want to kind of just coast and this is kind of church my way and just kind of get off my cloud and Just say, you know, just I just want to be For those of you that are that way. I want you to be very uncomfortable.

I want you to walk in here going. You know what? I'm walking around I'm trying to hide by the doughnuts or somewhere else and somebody's gonna come up and say I'd like to disciple you or somebody's gonna Come up and say would you like to serve here?

I'm after kind of you kind of people because you don't know what you're missing. Jesus Christ is not here in bodily form true. So the way we serve Christ Jesus is by serving his body. The joy and privilege of serving it will change your life.

People have all kinds of troubles. One of the first things I say I don't only say this but if somebody comes and they're troubled in their life. I want to say do you have a ministry? I know you're hurting but you have a ministry that you can pour your life into somebody else who's hurting too.

Because then you'll really think about what love is and how Jesus loved you. Now Jesus is even a great example on the cross. He's more than example on a cross. He's a sin bearer, but he's also an example of caring for his mother and I Want to get people who try to come here to the church and they say I'm here for coasting.

I don't want you to coast. For the good of you and for the good of our church. We're not like Paul receiving revelation directly from the mind of Christ. We receive revelation from the word Yes, and we receive discipleship through other people through fallible people even I remember back at Grace Church.

Everybody wanted to go to John MacArthur to get Discipled. Nobody else is good enough. The lines lined up. There's John you could go to Swindolls Church Alistair Beggs Church James Boyce's Church when he was alive Spurgeon Church when he was alive and everybody would line up and they Want him to do the discipleship and we're gonna see here soon.

That it is not necessarily only the pastor's job to disciple not just the elders job the disciple. But it is everyone's job to disciple and if everyone's job is to disciple then how can you all be discipled by only one person?

For those of you that do disciple now, I want you to be Riveted in your mind this morning to say yeah, that's good. And even though it's painful and even though I deal with people and and you know sheep by the way are dirty.

You ever notice that? Kind of get on you. And that's one of my pet peeves of all time if I come home from church on Sunday morning knowing that I have to go back on Sunday night and preach except tonight.

There's no service tonight. And I've got a white shirt on or something nice and of course I love the kids jumping up on me and everything. But I don't like the kids jumping up on me after they've eaten and not wash their hands and then they want to kind of just glom on and it's just this kind of I Got to get another shirt for tonight and just like oh, I just don't want that when you disciple.

Oh, it just happens. Sheep are dirty and you want to kick those dirty sheep, but they're God's sheep. So you can't kick him you have to restrain you have to pray you have to be patient. It's hard. Then all of a sudden you're getting discipled and you see something in your disciples life.

That doesn't match up to what you think they teach or preach or. It's difficult. Paul knew is difficult. Paul had poured his life into people that have betrayed him, but here on his deathbed He says to Timothy your job since you have been entrusted with the gospel is to then entrust the gospel to the next generation and pass that baton.

On to them. There are no direct electronic deposits. They are through people. Negatively. If you don't Paul could have said you will lose it. It would be neglected. You could ignore it you could falsify it, but when you've been given that baton.

You hand it to the next person and you teach them how to hold that baton to receive it from the giver. William Barclay the commentary who gives good historical information. But who denies supernatural miracles at least was right when he said this the teacher is a link in the living chain.

Which stretches unbroken? From this present moment back to Jesus Christ. That's what happens. It gets passed on and on and on a lot more. So back in those days when there was not a lot of Bibles to be Had but still that's the way we do it today.

Teachers and disciples. I Read this and I got convicted this week the pastor must possess convictions. Concerning disciple making and declare it as a top priority from the pulpit. Hence the sermon today.

This is one of our top priorities as more people come into the church. Who knows if we grow anymore? What happens. It is our job to take the new Christians and to help them? Mature it is our job to say this person is not a Christian.

Let's preach the gospel and pray that God's save them. God saves them. But I want you to know from the elder board position our main jobs are not these cleaning the church administrating. Visiting. They're all good to do.

I like to do. But it is the word and prayer and what. Discipleship we are to disciple every one of us. We must disciple. MacArthur said a church should emphasize Discipleship. The design of the Christian Church is not to have a professional preacher financed by layman who act merely as spectators.

Every Christian should be involved in edifying other believers. Then that good he goes on to say a Christian who isn't discipling someone is a contradiction. You're supposed to be reproducing your life in the lives of others.

Friends I love you, but my job my relationship with you is not primarily buddy friend advocate running out of nouns counselor. Workout partner fellow bike rider. My job is to preach the Word of God to you and encourage you to obey what it says and to teach other people.

To have the baton passed to them so they could pass it on to the next generation. Let me give you some facts about discipleship in the remaining time. I know those of you who think in a Western mindset, and you think very deductively are looking for an outline so here we go.

So far it's all been discipleships important now. Let me give you some facts about discipleship that will help you become one help you become a better one and motivate you to realize the importance of discipleship.

Where you can find someone and train them what you know and then you can find someone and say teach me what you know and by The way, we're not only I'll get into this maybe later. We're not only talking about theology.

Who do I know around here who could teach me teach me about sublapsarianism? Yeah, okay. I'll go there who can I go here to tea of them teach me about the hypostatic Union. Oh, yeah, that's good. Who can I have to teach me about?

Synchronistic refixed recapitulation, but that would be good. Yeah, that's probably what you're gonna dream about tonight. I Just hope you dream the church is more than eight people. I would say you guys all might leave.

But if God has kept me faithful at least we'll have the elders and their families and that is more than eight. It can be anything. I Loved Lewis Brown's mother joy. She goes around and she finds the 20 year old 22 year old new marrieds, and she has him over and she says you know.

Here's what we're gonna learn. I'm gonna teach you how to bake bread and Here's what I want you to do. I'm gonna show you what goes in the ingredients and everything else and here's when you make bread.

She tells her her disciples called brownies Joy Brown the brownies she could barely see 90 some years old. She says you know here's what you do when you get mad at your husband. It's your fault. No just kidding when you get past your husband.

When you get mad at your husband you need to serve him a gift. That costs you and so what you do is you start making some bread and as you make that homemade bread. You're just getting that angst out, and you're doing something with your hands, and you're working on it.

And you just pray God help me to love my husband and everything else and then by the time you get done kneading all that bread and doing all That stuff and baking it you just have the right attitude because you spent time thinking about your husband and the Lord and How we're to honor and all these other things and you present your husband with a love gift even though he didn't deserve it you honor Him with that.

There's some there's some ladies here who have had mothers who have not taught their daughters how to bake. But we have other people in the church who know how to bake. I'd say to yourself. You know what it's not all about theology.

It's who knows how to bake. I don't really know how to bake that well. So I think I'm gonna go over to Maxine's house. I'm gonna learn how to bake me the best apple pie you've ever tasted this side of my grandma.

I Can't budget. I can't budget. I can't figure it out. Well you go to John Zook or you go to Fred or you go to somebody else and say yeah. They seem to have their life in order. We'll do that. I can't figure out what to do with my.

You know I've spent all my free time on myself, and I do this and I do that and you go find somebody else I'm not only talking about My discipleship group that will start in three weeks that will teach you how to teach the Bible if you're a man that is important.

Yes. That is really the context of 2nd Timothy chapter 2 verse 2 where we're to train other faithful men that they might train others. But discipleship is more than that. It's not just about theology and if you're a Disciple er and by the grace of God you've got your life in order and you know how to bake and you know how to Do this and you are a man who realize realizes that your career is not an idol.

Then you say you know I met this guy here at church. And he seems to just worship his job in his career, and he says he loves his family. But by his actions he proves every single week that he doesn't love his family.

He loves his job more. He can say no to his wife and kids, but he can't say no to his boss. I think I just need to come alongside of that young man and say let me just teach a few things. Maybe you see kids in the church, and you go those are some disobedient kids.

Those are little hellions running around this church and you say well oxygen mask to the parents first and I'm just by the grace of God I can train kids and they seem to be obedient. And I'm not perfect, but I strive to honor God training kids.

I need to go find that person instead of complaining. That's the kid that's always running around and disobeying and doing all kinds of things and the dad doesn't even care. I'm gonna just go talk to the dad.

I'm gonna work on that dad, and I'm gonna pray with that dad. I'm gonna work and then eventually we'll get to child raising. And none of us when we disciple should come around saying I am the model and I never disobey.

No, but as God has matured us, then we pour our lives into someone else. So let me give you some facts in the time left as we continue this out. So much to say number one. The first fact about discipleship that will help you become one or be a better one is this.

Don't forget to start at the beginning. Don't forget to start at the beginning that is to say you can't be a disciple of some other Christian until you're a disciple of Christ Jesus. You first have to be a disciple of Jesus Christ.