February 2, 2006

Webcasting around the world from the desert metropolis of Phoenix, Arizona. This is the dividing line. The Apostle Peter commanded Christians to be ready to give a defense for the hope that is within us.

Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is dr. James white director of Alpha Omega ministries and an elder at the Phoenix reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.

If you'd like to talk with dr. White call now 602 nine seven three four six zero two or toll-free across the United States. It's one eight seven seven seven five three. Three-three-four-one and now with today's topic here is James white.

Opening Remarks, Blogging, and Travel Plans

And good afternoon, welcome to the dividing line on a Thursday afternoon one of The last two dividing lines for a little while. I'm not sure yet When we'll be doing the dividing line when we are Over in In the United Kingdom, but we will be doing an all English dividing line and we'll be doing an all Scottish dividing line while we're over there Lord willing and So we will be doing few things like that.

I hope to be doing some blogging. I have a wonderful laptop I'll be taking with me but Obviously the key issue is access when you are on the road I have a dial-up service, but you know how all that is it costs money and things like that and so we'll be doing the best we can to sort of keep up with things but I'm also speaking on an average of once a day, so That doesn't leave you a whole lot of time to be doing other things like that.

But looking forward to the time. We will be over the yes complete with accents. Yes mutato we will be able to mmm, of course once we get there and I I get spend some time with Raja. Very quickly the accent will come back and we'll be able to do a fine job for you.

Especially from London because I'll be speaking at the Metropolitan Tabernacle and therefore we'll need to be able to speak the native tongue. I don't know if you can hear that in the background, but mmm, there's someone just hit themselves a hammer or something.

I'm not not sure what it is in the background, but anyhow. You know, this is gonna be really weird when we get into the new offices and and there's a window there and And we can see each other because right now There's just books some books like the the three-volume Webster King Holy Scripture series that's sort of the general direction where rich is right now see, but there's gonna be a window and I've I've done radio with windows before and It's it's interesting, but it'll it'll sort of change the character of things I'll be able to see when he's reaching for the microphone, too.

So I'll be able to handle things like that. But anyway Yeah, but you won't have a switch I'll have a that's true, but I'll have a switch for mine. And if it goes completely quiet, everybody will blame you.

So That's the problem in being in the control chair. You know, I learned that when I ran sound a very very very very very large church is if you do it perfectly No one cares. No one says thank you if you mess up once everybody knows where to look.

It is the world's most thankless job. I always thank the sound men wherever I go for what they do. Anyhow, that's neither here nor there I suppose but anyway, I did put some very interesting stuff on the on the blog this morning and Next week as soon as the same person we were just talking to gets around to getting this listed in our bookstore I'm gonna have a neat new resource to list on the blog so be watching next week and be kind to your credit card over the weekend because You can need to use it next week and I'm really excited about because it finally got here I'd hope to have it even before Christmas, but it's here and we need to let you know about it.

And I'm looking forward to to that. So all the sound men in the channel are going. Yeah, you're right, man. That's wish. Well, you did run sound didn't you? Yeah, I know I know this morning I put some neat stuff on the blog just basically references to other folks just in passing.

Islam, the Quran, and Religious Violence

I Suppose I could even update because I've seen more things in the news in regards to Palestinians threatening to take people hostage in Retribution for cartoons of Muhammad being published in Europe.

What an amazing thing where where are I? Haven't seen him yet, but I'm there's got to be some Muslims out there that are going wait, wait a minute. Wait, wait a minute. This isn't how you respond to this.

I mean There's think about the quote-unquote art that has appeared blaspheming Christ and the cross movies Television programs all over the place and if Christians respond like Muslims do we'd be running around with m16s taking people hostage At the local NBC studios.

I mean, it's just it's just Unbelievable how people respond to this kind of utter irrationality. I'm sorry. But as far as I can tell in down in the trenches Islam does not produce people who are really People you can talk to you know when they start losing the argument they get a gun out.

It's just it's it's amazing to watch this stuff people breaking into offices. They over what? Don't tell me that there's not a a near deification of Mohammed when you've got this kind of reaction. You know, they talk about us deifying someone who wasn't deity in Christ.

Well, they're wrong about that. But don't don't tell me that you're not deifying Muhammad when you respond like this I mean if someone wrote a someone drew a cartoon about Isaiah. Okay, I'm gonna take the opportunity of refuting what they're saying, but I'm not gonna take people hostage again.

Point. I mean, it's just unbelievable absolutely positively unbelievable. Yeah, and as someone just pointed out and channel the LA Times. Well, then just they aren't even noticing a difference between the fact that Christianity and Islam respond to things very differently from one another, you know, there's all fundies.

They're all fundamentalists. Yeah, that's that's that's how it works amazing stuff, but aside from that and then the the incredible discussion of NBC Putting Britney Spears on Will and Grace to play a conservative Christian cooking person a person with a cooking show called crucifixions.

I Guess they're trying to take over ABC spot as the primary people who insult Christians left and right but aside from all that I then linked to a really neat resource the countercult Journal that Jeff Downs has been working on I I knew that he was working on this.

He had asked me if there was something I wanted to To submit and I just I would love to. I mean there is so much stuff. I wish I had time to be working on. You know, but when you're running all over the place you don't Have as much time of doing things and the blog takes up a lot of time.

I mean This last series is on John 2028. I know if you just type it all out. It's not that big but the the difference is you can you can produce lots and lots and lots and lots of material if you're not checking things out and Crossing your T's and dotting your eyes.

But I had to check some stuff out. I mean there was there was a reference to Theodore of absoucia that I had never seen before and Most of my resource at Theodore is not in any of my my resources in fact I eventually discovered that the source that was being cited is a translation of a Syriac work and and So it wouldn't even be I've got Latin and Greek resources early church writings all the way into the medieval period etc, etc, but Didn't have that so I had to check things out.

We had to order one resource in and it took a lot of time and that Keeps you from writing some of the other stuff that you want to do. I've wanted to do a blog series in response to Jimmy Akin the priesthood and I've still got that there.

I've you know keeping all this stuff on the computer. It's just finding the time to bring it up and do a good job on it. I mean it would be easy to do a hack job. It's easy to throw stuff out there and and You know what you'd get away with it with most people you'd get away with the most.

But that's just not how we do things though, so we can't do that, but there are some really neat articles and On you know on Islam the Quran and the Word of God and and Eddie Dalkor had an article up there on Colossians chapter 1 and and So on so forth a couple of them really caught my attention.

That I would encourage you to read and the nice thing about this is what I'm doing is I've downloaded all of them that I linked on my blog. I've downloaded them, and then I printed them to RepliGo and those of you have the palm Devices no probably no RepliGo for me RepliGo has just been the best one of the best Investments I've ever made.

It installs itself as a printer anything you put up there you print it it appears on your on your palm. And it appears both Formatted, but of course this can be pretty small. Or then you can hit a button and it takes it down to the text level so PDFs HTMLs Word documents text files whatever it can print it to a format that will be fully readable for you on your on your palm and.

So I put all that stuff on my palm already so that I can when I have the opportunity. Normally since I'm sitting you know back in the economy class someplace I can't exactly set up my laptop especially as laptops are getting bigger and bigger.

Can you I couldn't even open my current laptop in a in a coach chair? It unless my seat was all the way back and the guy in front of me seat was all the way forward I might be able to sort of squeeze it open at that point, but the guy in front of me moves is the seat back.

I'm I'm history so What's nice is to be able to use? the The palm pilot at that point and Read these types of things one of them especially I've got open in front of me it came in PDF format. We had we set up a little Yahoo discussion group a moderate Yahoo discussion group prior to months and months months prior to my debate with Greg Stafford and One of the folks that joined that to group was Don Hartley dr. Hartley.

2 Corinthians 4:4 and the Blinding of Unbelievers

He presented to us at that time. This is a couple years ago now a Discussion of 2nd Corinthians 4 4 then the relevance of 2nd Corinthians 4 4. Let me back up a little bit and give you some of the some of the context here from the New American Standard Bible.

Therefore since we have this ministry as we received mercy we do not lose heart. But we have renounced the things hidden because of shame not walking in craftiness or adulterating the Word of God but by the manifestation of truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God and Even if our gospel is veiled it is veiled to those who are perishing.

In whose case the God of this world has blinded the mind of the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the Light of the gospel of the glory of Christ who is the image of God for we do not preach ourselves.

But Jesus Christ is Lord and ourselves as your bondservants for Jesus's sake. Now the phrase in in 2nd Corinthians 4 for the phrase in the case in whose case the God of this world has blind the minds unbelieving.

Vast majority of modern commentators take that as a reference to Satan as a reference to the enemy of our souls blinding the minds of Unbelievers. Well in this yahoo group dr. Hartley presented to us because the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses will make reference This as I see Here is the use the term God chaos with the article and It is being used of a created being and They like to point to that as as one of their proofs that Jesus is less than the one true God even if half a house is used of him in various contexts and he presented to us an interesting alternative interpretation.

Now I think that most of us that looked at it. You know we're impressed the amount of work you'd put in it in this particular paper, which is linked Off of The countercult apologetics Journal website was given was presented the 57th annual meeting of the Evangelical Theological Society Valley Forge, Pennsylvania.

This was just November of last year, so this is really really Recent as far as that goes, but he had been working on this for quite some time because it was relevant to his doctoral thesis as well. And I just want to read you the conclusion, it's it's a rather full.

It's 22 pages long some of the articles are very short. This one is very very long and Very very in-depth very very well researched reflects very well on dr. Hartley, and let me just read you the conclusion I'm not I'm not suggesting you don't read it yourself, but obviously we're doing a radio program or not radio program a webcast or whatever you call these types of things and So just saying read it isn't gonna.

Do you a whole lot of good. Here's basically what he's what he's saying. Paul advances a notion that Yahweh is the cause behind the lack of success in his own ministry. Especially as it pertains to the presence or absence of evangelical faith.

He also perceives a threat to the gospel underlying his opponents accusations namely that is in some way Deficient if the interpretation above is correct, and that's the one he puts forward then Paul explains unbelief in terms of God withholding the internal light necessary to embrace the external light of the gospel.

His Explanation reaches back to an old tradition that begins in Deuteronomy 29 3 and is reformulated in Isaiah 6. The chapter 6 verses 9 through 10 it is neither Paul's lack of success nor the gospel's deficiency.

But man's inability to exercise salvific wisdom that defines the problem. Paul's opponents who no doubt viewed themselves as wise Would not have received his explanation without rancor. Now what he's saying is is that the guy this world is not Satan.

But it is Yahweh. The term world there by the way is not cosmos. It is I own us age and So at this particular point. Then his idea is that this is tied in with what we see in John 12 in Isaiah chapter 6 where you have a judicial hardening you have well I'll take that back not judicial hardening in the sense of well you are sinful therefore I'm going to harden you as a result of that but instead a a Sovereign hardening that is a not giving of the necessary Grace salvific grace.

Resulting in the hardening of an individual over against that is the devil Satan view and that's what he's referring to here. That's the danger in reading conclusions. But still just to give you an idea the devil Satan view is unrelated to and find scant support for it within this tradition.

Moreover it diverts attention from the condition of the human heart blames blames the arch enemy of God for unbelief and seeks a human Contingency for the divine action that is either direct or via an intermediary.

That the God of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers to say that the true God Reserves the right to pass over those not destined for salvation by withholding salvific wisdom leads leading to repentance.

This interpretation avoids a celestial scapegoat that is the devil Satan and identifies the focal culprits of unbelief. Left to his own wisdom and apart from the divine initiative man will always freely reject divine Revelation.

There may be some practical applications to note as well. Number one the mark of success should not be gauged by the number of converts. But faithfulness to God's calling boy. How many times have I said that that was a inserted statement there.

No one understood this more than Isaiah except perhaps Jesus and Paul. The success of Isaiah's message was marked by Unrepentance and the devastation of Israel's towns and cities. This debacle would hardly stand out as an achievement on his curriculum vitae.

Frustration in the face of unmet expectations or what some might label ministerial failure often leads to supplementing or truncating the gospel. Adopting a seeker friendly approach to ministry or shifting blame to God and others.

But this evidence is a kind of unbelief reminiscent of the fat heart. Not all failure is human. It may be by divine design. Number two a constant temptation facing pastors and teachers is the desire to dumb down the gospel.

Behind this minimalism lies the notion that only the simplistic gospel is true. Driven partly by the misguided assumption that a child must be able to understand it as a result. Significant doctrines are never addressed or the same passages are explained with little depth or insight for fear of losing someone.

But the problem is not intellectual. The gospel may be presented in its true simplicity or Wonderful complex complexity without avail. The simple-minded and the wise alike will always treat divine Revelation as foolishness not because it is intrinsically but because they are fools inherently a wrong theological Diagnosis leads to a misguided pastoral prescription.

This passage sets the teacher and pastor free to present the whole counsel of God. Depending all the while on the spirit to give wisdom with God's wisdom the child and the savant alike will salvificly perceive Understand and know in such a way that solicits repentance.

And number three. Finally the interpretation offered here strikes a blow to cults that use this passage to deny the deity of Christ. Since this passage does not refer to the devil Satan But the true God it may not be argued that Satan is a god in any sense similar to Christ.

So that's pages 21 and 22 the conclusion of this article now. When you first hear this There is you know and when I first heard it. I'm sort of like I don't know you know. This age this present evil age you know you've got that in Paul and and so we had a discussion about it, and it was an open discussion, but I Think it was right and proper.

For there to be you know when someone comes up, and they say Something completely new that you've never seen before. The proper response is not to just immediately go oh, yeah I'm grabbing that at the same time the proper response is not well that that can't be right because you know I'm not even gonna listen to that.

Instead you go Okay, you're you understand that most folks don't view it this way right and he does he starts off saying most folks Don't view it this way, but let's look at why let's let's look at you know the reasons for this.

And I've been in the same boat. I for example the the Lord's words from the cross Eli, Eli, Lama Sabbath, and I my god my god. Why have you forsaken me? I realized that I'm up against a large number of interpreters.

When I say this is not Jesus saying that the father has just abandoned him. This isn't Jesus saying the father has just turned his back on him because he can't look at sin as Popular as that might be and as often as that's preached.

I don't see any evidence of that in the in the Teaching of the book of Hebrews on the atoning work of Christ. This is the point of Christ ultimate obedience this is the citation from Psalm 22 1 so I Understand what it is to sort of be in the minority on how you view a particular passage.

But still you exercise care when someone suggests something like that. There's a there's a larger. I think there's a larger weight Upon the shoulders of the person in the minority than in the majority when they're presenting their perspective.

And so I've looked at this, and I'm not I'm not saying I've come down a hundred percent on this and say you know Wow, but as I've been reading it I took it with me to lunch like I said it had it on my palm so you're waiting for your lunch to arrive you whip out the palm you start reading and I was especially interested in the patristic section at the beginning the early church writers who touched on this and I found it very interesting to see the parallels in their dealing with this that I had just seen in briefly once again getting an opportunity to wet my feet in church history and looking at Theodore of Mupsustia and why he was condemned by the Fifth Ecumenical Council and Nestorianism and the and the Antiochian view versus the Alexandrian view and all that neat wonderful fun stuff that you get into especially when you start dealing with Christological debates in regards to the nature of the human and the divine in Christ and and all that kind of stuff and it was interesting once again to see just how deeply influenced by our our conflicts the interpretation of Scripture normally is.

Especially in the patristic period which is why I have said over and over again You can't simply throw out there the idea that as long as an early church father said it somehow that makes it right or that makes it you know gives it a special amount of Authority and all the rest of this type of stuff because in looking at the various views of 2nd Corinthians 4 4 it was very clear that individuals Responded to that text Primarily depending upon who they were arguing against if Marcion Is arguing for multiple gods and Yahweh is a different God than the God of the Bible and so on so forth God of the New Testament, I'm sorry.

He's a guy. He's got the Old Testament. That's different the God of the New Testament Then you know they have their apologetic concerns that they're bringing in and so on so forth and beyond that I had to admit that in my seminary experience Whenever you'd run across these passages That Refer to divine judgment and Especially in particularly Isaiah chapter 6 being quoted in John chapter 12.

It's also quoted in the synoptic Gospels hardening of hearts and things like that there was such a you know There was such a Tremendous response to those types of things in seminary that you know I just automatically Have to sit back and go man That's not a popular subject that is that is a topic that people just are not going to want to You know touch upon.

Fairly, it's not gonna be the first thing they're thinking about when they start looking the passage. So has this viewpoint really been given a fair shake is really what you have to have to wonder about and So with all of that I'm certainly I want to work through all the rest of of this this presentation.

There's all sorts of neat stuff on the syntax and grammar, and yeah, I Admit the whole section of it that really would require a knowledge of the Greek language, but It also There's also sorts of sections that you're not going to need that there is so much material especially in the footnotes here that That really will be useful I I I want to spend some more time with it, and I'm very very appreciative to dr. Hartley for making this material available, and it's available to everybody now right from those links on the the main page right now and These aren't the only ones there's also There's a whole discussion of mass and count nouns.

I have a much larger discussion of mass and count nouns Saved on my hard drive as well, but this one is a little bit Shall we say more understandable? Than the one that I have and it might give you more of an idea of what that stuff is all about I noted on The blog this is where Greg Stafford wanted to go he As I saw it he basically wanted to completely lose the audience at that point and that to me I felt that would really ruin the debate in the sense of The audience needed to stay focused upon what the key issues were and so Rather than getting off, and I knew where he wanted to go.

I had read this material before I knew what he wanted to argue about and I knew that basically he and I would probably be the only people in the room They were going to be following that argument at that point in time and hence the whole presentation I've made would No longer really be at the forefront of what people were thinking and so I wanted to stay In something where there was a contextual basis upon which we could address the issue that was being raised in John 1 1 without Basically just just abandoning the entire audience in the process, and so I mentioned that as well, so that's there you might want to take a look at that and Avail yourself of all the wonderful information that is out there There is a tremendous amount that is that is available truly truly is 8 7 7 7 5 3 3 3 4 1 8 7 7 7 5 3 3 3 4 1 We have a very long distance phone call From down under in Australia, which must be about what 1 o 'clock in the morning or something back there.

Islam, the Quran, and the Hadith

Hello Peter.

Hi James, it's actually 10 26 a .m.. In the morning. Okay there we go. Yes, sir. What can I do for you a bad time at all? Well, I just you know I've been interested in the the problems with the Islamic Understanding of not just the scriptures, but of the Quran everything and I've been reading very interested the stuff you've had on your blog and The the cartoons that have come out recently that caused all the trouble right I?

Just wanted to point out a couple of things. I've been reading a few other books. One by Mark Gabriel was that these pseudonym anyway used to be a professor of Islamic history at al-azhar University in Cairo in Egypt which is supposed to be the the center of all their learning and his book called Islam and terrorism.

And he makes a very interesting points in there About the way that started his teaching and how the early surahs teaching peace and love because he's not in control he's just a mad prophet in the streets right and When he goes from there to become he then turns everything around so he doesn't go for peace and love anymore and He starts preaching and writing surahs which say you know like kill kill the infidel Cut off their hands and legs and their heads and all that sort of stuff well.

Not only that I admit well not only that Peter, but you might might want to just add to that. The fact that some surahs are a mixture of both periods and hence The the amount of confusion is is even greater than that and that's why a lot of folks don't understand Why there is? All these different schools of thought in in Islam.

And why you've got Sunnis and Shiites and why they blow each other up and things like that. Part of the reason that they do so is because the Quran itself is incapable of Dealing with these issues. It's incapable of answering these questions.

The Quran is dependent upon the hadith for interpretation and you have to choose what collection of hadith and what elements of the hadith you're going to emphasize and blah blah blah blah. And. So when people give these simplistic readings of Islam They're just ignoring all this background material that it we see the results of it on the news.

But we don't know what's what's all behind it.

Wouldn't you agree? Well, that's where Mark yeah, that's right, but that's where Mark's book on on Islam and terrorism is very very insightful because being a history professor of the Not just the Quran but the hadith and the history of Muhammad and his wars and everything all the way down through their history He understands where each verse is coming from each.

Well what I call it. I don't know but each surah and section of it and He points out that the way that they interpret is this way later verses Override and supersede the earlier versus all the ones about love and peace.

They're all superseded by the ones about war and jihad. So love and peace is no longer what Islam is about.

Yeah, well, obviously within the context of Militant Islam that's exactly how they do it. Obviously in when Islam is in the minority they want to emphasize those other surahs. That came from an earlier period of time and they de-emphasize that idea that what comes later is superior to what came? earlier so on so forth.

Islam tends to morph and change once it becomes the majority. I mean that let's just face it you You will get a different kind of response from an Islamic scholar in in the United States or in Canada.

Then you'll get from Islamic scholar in Egypt or Saudi Arabia. That's that that's just the way it is and that to me is an indication of the faults of the religious system because and that's one of the reasons why we Christians must hold to solo scriptura and Practice solo scriptura because you should be able to ask a Christian scholar in a majority Nation or a minorities nation and get the same answers to the same questions.

But you can't with Islam because it it morphs and changes depending upon what the situation is.

Well, yeah, but Mohammed said exactly the same thing he said first of all that the scriptures were the unchangeable Word of God and then later on and It's the same sort of thing about the Jews. He says they're the people of God the people of the book.

They're the people that Moses led into the promised land and that's their land. And then later on he says that you know, we should kill the Jews. He said look I'll be hiding behind the rock and the rock will say come here and kill this Jew.

Let's keep it just a couple things in mind here I think you can argue fairly strongly that that Mohammed in his lifetime Did not say the Christian scriptures were corrupt the the hadith might contain some traditions.

It could be read that way. But the hadith also records Mohammed having the Torah brought and placed upon a pillow and he says I believe this book and the only Torah that would Be available to him at that particular point in time is the same Torah that we have today.

So Yeah, the hadith and the Quran we have to keep those distinct from one another even though at that point that the Transmission history of both is very very complex. It's it's overly simplified by Islamic apologists by it by a major Major deal, but anyways, you know, you're exactly right I think the Christians are going to be learning more and more but you know what Peter we've we've had folks who have Have actually contacted us and stopped supporting this ministry because I've taken time to be addressing Islam.

They want me to they want me to spend all my time Only talking about Calvinism. So, you know, what can I say, you know? The truth. You just you just try to do what the Lord calls you to do and go from there.

I guess so if the other the other very important thing about their Understanding of how to do things is from their history and they had it from the history of the prophets of Mohammed and their leaders.

Is that one of their leaders? When he was caught by their opposition the Christians or somebody he denied the Quran Denied Mohammed was a prophet and everything and then later on he slit the throat of his leader that was Pretended to be converted and then he killed them and he came back to Mohammed and confessed all he's done in.

Mohammed said, oh, that's fine.

I'm not familiar with that particular story. I am familiar with a hadith that talked about a man that had killed 99 or more people and and How he was allegedly forgiven of that, but I'm not familiar with that particular story.

Oh.

I might be getting a bit mixed up with the Quran and the Quran the hadith there again. That sounds like a story. Yeah yeah, it's all in that book Islam and terrorism by Mark Gabriel and you know coming from where he does and being a convert his conversion is amazing too.

And The things that he had to go through. His father tried to shoot him and kill him. He was put in jail. He chased him all over the world. Did you hear only now? Did you hear the.

Interview that we did with the the fellow who had to come to know Christ by reading the New Testament. Many years ago. Well, this is about two years ago. Do you hear that one? We did on the dividing line?

I think so. Yeah. Yeah, it was quite a quite an interesting program really really was so anyway, I couldn't mention his name. Yeah, right. Exactly. We had to call him Peter. That's right. Well, thank you Peter.

I appreciate you pointing that out to us. And is that the book generally available? I it's not it's one book. I don't have. I.

Got it off the Internet. Okay. All right. Yeah, but look it It's just sad when people think the only way to defend their religion and their prophets honor is By saying and when you make a cartoon of someone we've got to go and kill a few people.

Oh, yeah, it's an amazing amazing thing. The there should be such an outcry on the part of all leaders of Islam, but there won't be you won't hear it.

It won't be because it's they're backed up by the Quran on the idea and Like a lie and I can kill I could do whatever I like and and and yet I can say that they're a religion that Follows the true God.

Well, we're seeing it happening in Palestine right now. It's it's a real mess. Thanks Colin Peter.

Oh, I think I want to encourage you James because people think that it's not about Calvinism, but it's true it is about the truth and people are accepting these Muslims as being a genuine and a faithful religion and they ought to be pointed out for what they really are.

Well, we heard just recently someone referring to radical Islam hijacking a noble faith and I really have a hard hard time with the noble faith part because I think you can make a pretty bad someone else does.

I think you make a pretty good argument that these folks are being pretty Faithful to the original founding perspective. Yeah. All right. Thanks, ma 'am. Thanks for calling. All right. Thanks very much.

Eight seven seven seven five three three three four one. Not sure what string of numbers Peter had to die. Bet you it was a few more numbers than that to get through on the program today, but Those are probably the numbers.

However, that's Chris dialed. Hi Chris. How are you? All right.

Critique of Dave Hunt and Anti-Calvinist Debate Tactics

Yeah off your website. That's really the reason I was was calling you, you know, it's quite interesting. Listen you talk to your Aussie friend there.

Well, it's politics. Let's let's face it. It's you have to say it you have to You know throw that that bone out there or you're going to spend the next hour deflecting all the criticism from the mindless zombies on on the left about Being a mean terrible horrible nasty person, even though in reality the words don't mean anything.

You know, I I don't know. I throw my hands up in the air and go look someday. Someone's gonna have to You know step up and speak the truth, you know, I remember Michael Medved a number of months ago saying, you know for a long time I've been I've been trying to say that the the problem is radical Islam and you know, I'm wrong.

The problem is Islam. It's not radical Islam. It's just it's just Islam it's it's the whole religious system itself and what it says and how it says it and what its sources of authority are and and You know.