May 29, 2020 Show with Samuel Frost & Don K. Preston Debating “Full Preterism”; Day 2: “The Physical Resurrection of the Dead is Still In Our Future” (Frost Affirms/Preston Denies)

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Good afternoon Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth. We're listening via live streaming at iron sharpens iron radio .com. This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Friday on this 29th day of May 2020 and today is day number two of the two-day debate on full preterism and Our debaters are Don K Preston and Samuel M Frost.

Don K Preston is the full preterist in our debate and Samuel M Frost is a former full pretest preterist in this debate. The theme today is the physical resurrection of the dead is still in our future and Sam Frost affirms that thesis and Don Preston denies it and We're going to just start right off since we've already introduced our guests Formally and at greater length yesterday.

Anybody who needs to know more about them can listen to the first day of the debate and you'll hear an introduction of them in Detail, but right now we just like to have Samuel M Frost He since he is affirming the physical resurrection of the dead is still in our future.

He opens up the program. He opens up the debate with a 10-minute opening statement, Sam.

Thank you. Indeed 39080 to remind you that this in the future at is in reality a state of insigned to death that raised Jesus our he has Bringing all things 1 ,800 years. There's no doubt among scowling each one of them timing of the incarnate Lord will be redefined and thrown.

When I began to find comments.

Thank You Sam. And now Don K Preston will give his 10-minute opening remarks and He will be denying the thesis. The physical resurrection of the dead is still in our future.

I'll hear you perfectly. Yeah, that's still fine. I want everything that forth my piece. I did not I change any terminology at my position. Corinthians 15 can be broke can be broken down. Barry's a major he promised from the dead.

They a chapter 30 is not a violent ending that the rest of all the way. I find it extremely disappointing. I'm statements the remarriage and the emphatically identifying the kind of death. The kind of grave if you play with death and a corp.

He mentioned Isaiah chapter 25. I could not be more happy than he referred us to his concept of the raising out of the dust. To the nature is again and it would be in that day that the Lord would punish will be gathered together as prisoners are gathered in The pit in that Troy death of us who will surely die them to Moses but the law of Moses Exacerbated and compounded but the horrible nature at death that the Lord says he will swallow up.

Here is Isaiah 25 and 8. Predicting the resurrection foretold by Paul in 1st Corinthians chapter 15. But wait a minute in Isaiah chapter 25 and verse 12. The Lord is speaking about Israel in that day time and he says that he will bring down he will lay low.

He will bring it down to the dust. Now let's go into chapter 29 and verse 4. The Lord once again spoke up is going to bring them down and all the way to the ground and they would speak out of the Dust.

Well here living people 26 Sam referred to flip the singular text now then or dead body. They shall rise awake and saying you only one it would be to the martyrs Jerusalem Resurrection garments. I shall no longer come.

They're not dead biologically. They were dead. What I would say a 2710 follows.

Thank You Don and now we are going to go to a commercial break and as I have asked you before please folks Please be patient with us as we air commercials because this program cannot exist without the financial support of our advertisers so please remember that and please be a patient and we look forward to Resuming the debate right after these messages from our sponsors.

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Welcome back. This is Chris Ormson. This is day two of the full preterist debate. Between full preterist Don K Preston and former full preterist Samuel M Frost we have now reached the point in today's debate on the physical resurrection of the dead is still in our future.

Where Sam Frost will offer rebuttal? Comments. Seven minutes in length and he will be followed by Don Preston Offering his own seven minute rebuttal and here is Sam Frost who once again Affirm of the physical resurrection of the dead is still in our future.

You have seven minutes Sam.

In my introduction in agreement with yet we find apps. Oh, that's used in the plural. Go into any church. They are chapter 25 and first that death did not the people and we find this picture very thing.

Thank you, Sam. And now we have Don K Preston to give his own seven minute rebuttal in Denial of the thesis that we are addressing today. The physical resurrection of the dead is still in our future Don.

My mark is on no doubt in the Hebraic mind about resurrection. Well, it's it again. It's interesting to me that when you actually reach Sam read from 31 promise furthermore to his house 21 that's the dead shall one might plead for a man with God as a man pleads for his neighbor and Let's remember that in Isaiah chapter 26 While the Lord says your dead body shall rise.

He spoke of others and said they shall not Arise. Sam wants us to be united. Consensus in truth ladies and gentlemen, I have a stack of books on my desk that affirms that particular thing now. I Love the fact that he agreed with the Ferris.

It does appear a great guy, but about 14 days later Those very fair they don't want him dead, but they do not want him for any reason. It's wait a minute. It's a way if it why do the Pharisees want him dead?

It will not do to say well they want the resurrection and here's something that is absolutely critical ladies and gentlemen as Nt right was inextricable Nationalistic you could not deploy framework of rescue the Romans read with that concept that came he was a temple.

He was equal animal sat for impurity. That was the fair on together. So the question is the firm knowledge in the body the resurrection of Hosea 1314 on in following Isaiah. It's not just Israel. It's the same kind of death and Moses did not cure that death.

But that death is the same death that Israel that Israel experienced. I did not impose that on the text and appeals. It's an ad hominem argument and he says well when I go to churches, they understand what I mean by death.

That's because they've been indoctrinated in his Framework or read or understood the actual the biblical framework of Isaiah 25 to 29 or Hosea 13.

Well, thank you Don and That concludes our seven minute rebuttals for this portion of the debate. We are now going into another commercial break when we return. We are going to be once again conducting my favorite part of every debate the cross-examination section and this time the order will be reversed and the full preterist debater.

Today Don K Preston will begin by cross-examining Sam Frost the former full preterist and then Sam will follow with his own cross-examination of Don and each have ten minutes. Once again, I'm going to remind my debaters about the rules whenever a Debater is cross-examining his opponent or asking him questions.

He is only to ask questions. He is not to bring up things that he forgot to say earlier on in the debate to kind of play catch-up. He's not to give speeches. He's not the filibuster and the one Answering questions the one being cross-examined is not to ask questions of his own other than clarifying.

Questions such as what did you mean by that? Can you please repeat that etc? And also the one answering questions is not to give speeches or filibuster either. So keep that in mind folks. We are now going to our commercial break and don't go away because we'll be right back.

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At my favorite point in the debate as I've said many times. Every debate that I've organized over the years since 1995 Always includes a portion that is my favorite portion of all the cross-examination segment and We have our order reversed as I said earlier where now we have the full preterist debater Don K Preston cross-examining the former full preterist Samuel M Frost and he has 10 minutes to do so and Sam Frost will follow that with his own 10-minute cross-examination of Don Preston.

But first Don you have 10 minutes. Is Don there?

Okay. Sorry. I had turned it off. I wasn't absolutely sure. Okay a little bit of questions.

Isn't that what I said. This is the cross-examination section.

Okay, so all I'm doing is asking Sam questions. Okay. Yes very much. Okay, here we go Sam. I have pointed out Graham died when there's a death Now that would be gone way he that's Israel then slain slain by him and the answer to that by Cindy contended with he seems once again and.

Yet it refers to say that it only let me follow up with two. I'm running out of my time here by sending. You're finding these terms. I might my either or members of it and we are now out of time.

We're out of time for this segment and now Samuel M Frost Will cross-examine Don K Preston for 10 minutes.

321 three describes the Old Covenant world man 321 and say oh well cities here. Well, if he's contrasting cities, it was his desire That I may know him and fiat act of God of raising biological bodies.

Attained to it whether or not he wanted to attain there if I remember correctly. You may correct me on this. You could double double check the Greek. I don't have much then. He says not equally dead resurrections.

What kind of a state to attain to the rest he had not attained it yet because he hadn't died Biologically yet something that he just like he said to attain to the resurrection of the dead. But not that that's what he does free or to a measure of Resurrection called death death and biological idly assume a couple more questions.

I that know what he is like ascended into glory. Ascended in the children of God. Now we are the children of God, but it does not yet appear what we shall be. We do not know what he is like John said well John was writing about the same time that Paul was and says we don't know what he's like.

But we do know that we'll be like him when he comes now. John knew just attention body was like following that which was from the beginning which we have some handle. Jesus eat his body. So so he knew what his pose.

He did not know what his post resurrection body was. And that's the focus of Philippians chapter. You would a body that came magical body I have said this word here in my body of glory. Are you going to tell you to me?

Formed into a number one asking questions. Number two little thing that I have said between bodies and that one body is his shirt out again to attain to 25 when Jesus said the hour is coming and now is in which had Only one kind of death in the Bible and that's physical death saying in John chapter 5 coming and now is in which the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of Man and those who hear shall live.

Well, that means that the biological physical resurrection of the dead had already begun even before Joe and yet we have. I have not yet Attained but to the degree that I have attained possible that the resurrection of the dead had already begun.

All right, we're out of time for this segment and We are going to our final commercial break and when we return Each of our debaters are going to give closing remarks. Lasting seven minutes each and we are going back to the original order.

With Sam Frost who has affirmed the physical resurrection of the dead is still in our future. Going first and then followed by Don Preston who denies that thesis don't go away. We're going to be right back after these messages with our closing arguments.