Why Responses to Social Justice Were Inadequate by Jon Harris

The Conference Introduction and Why John Harris Was Invited

Wonderful to sing with you so I'm going to be introducing here our first speaker and our first speaker is John Harris and I was asking people as they were coming in how'd you find about about this conference and the number one response? I got was I heard it on John Harris's podcast so.

So most of you in this room probably know who John is and you probably know him like I said for his podcast conversations that matter. This podcast started During the height of the woke invasion in right around the time of 2018 and 2019 and like many of you I found John on YouTube when pretty much nobody else was explaining the dangers of the social justice movement.

At first I didn't know who John was but as I listened I Found him to be a trustworthy voice a biblical voice. He was willing to reveal hard things and that came with a cost. Now John loves, Wisconsin he actually told me that this morning.

He especially loves at this time of year. I don't know if he John notices this but two years ago in June we hosted him and Last year he spoke at a conference in the lesser part of our state the southern, Wisconsin near Madison.

And now he's back in Polk County again God's country. Two years ago when John visited I got to spend two days with him, so I really got to know him pretty well. One of our elders Mark Brooks, and I took John on a tour of the sites.

We took him to the cheese factory in Grantsburg where he mailed cheese back to New York. We also showed him the famous sites like Ulysses S. Grant's cousin's home in Grantsburg, Wisconsin and And John will tell you this is easily his top ten favorite historical sites.

But I but I first got to know John on his podcast, but now I know him as a friend. He's a very down-to-earth guy who has been a great help To many Christians especially ordinary Christians. I would say who just want answers.

So we're gonna hear from John twice in this conference tomorrow morning and right now. His first presentation is titled why Christian responses to social justice were inadequate, so let's give him a round of applause.

A Post-Mortem on the Woke Movement and the Church's Failure

Thank you, Seth. You stole my introduction with all the great things about your state, and so I'll just skip through that. Wisconsin's great. Thanks for coming. I want to especially thank Keith and Julie for hosting me and of course Seth and Brianna and the family for their Kindness and Eureka Baptist Church.

I'm amazed at how many volunteers this morning. We're just helping with everything. That's a unique thing to be honest with you and the different places I speak. It's good to see the Christian participation the love you have for one another you have something special here, and I can sense it so I do want to do this because I try to do this wherever I speak before I start and I realize now these books have Been out for a few years.

So maybe the person who wins them already has them in which case you can give them to your neighbor if they don't but I try to find out who drove the farthest or came the far should say came the farthest because some of you might have flown.

So I I think I might know who that is, but we'll we'll find out did someone come Farther than 500 miles. Raise your hand if it farther than 500 miles. Hey, oh, there's two where did. Anyone up there, okay?

Where did you come from? You mean Albany right. Did I hear all Albania, but but not for this. Really. Oh Welcome to America. All right. Well with that said I was gonna have to talk after this because I'm so curious.

We do have some serious things though to consider this morning. And I think of what I'm gonna talk to you about is really a post-mortem on the woke movement on 2020 especially and what we saw it's still going on.

Seth real quick though. How much time do I have. I should probably set that straight 45 okay? And you know when 2020 comes up the other day I jokes that someone brought up 2020 and I just kind of did this you know you're not it's like the year.

You're not supposed to mention because it was just a horrible experience for many of us depending on where we were and the job but some people lost their jobs and people. Many people passed away that year and of course you have the people's businesses ruined by the social justice stuff and I mean there's so much and I think the questions.

I mean we're can you believe it's four years since then. I mean I can't it's amazing. It's been four years, but that still stung us that still sticks with us. What happened and what is continuing to happen?

I think we're in what I would call the institutional phase of social justice where you see the DEI Principles now being applied at the place of your employment perhaps or the place where you go to school or other institutions.

So that this isn't going away, this is very much present. I know dr. Fuller will probably talk a little bit later about how this is even very much present in the current Left-wing kind of protests on college campuses and we still see you know so much of this kind of controlling the narrative in our society and so I want to do a bit of a post-mortem on it though because we know there was some significant battles leading up to 2020 and The church or I should say Christian leaders in Christian institutions prominent pastors we didn't do so well I don't know if you noticed that many of you are here probably because of that.

We didn't do so well, and I want to answer the question why that might be why is it that we didn't do that great? Why is it that there was so much compromise and of course you have your your simple explanations that I think are totally valid.

People just don't care enough about the Word of God people are compromised because they love the approval of man. Right these are simple explanations that I think they're true. But I want to dive deeper into it because I think there are some things that played into this that even some technological or structural things that Put us in a bad position and unfortunately.

I wish I was here to tell you that hey that we cleaned up our mess. Christians in institutional Christianity the United States they've learned from 2020 and it's not going to happen again. I wish I could tell you that's the truth.

I don't think that's the truth. I think we're in a worse spot than we were in many ways now. There's some silver linings which I'll talk about at the end of this. But I think the benefit of hearing some of the negativity that I'm going to share though.

And the reasons why there was compromises that we can learn from this and I'm reminded of a proverb in Proverbs a few problems in Proverbs chapter 9 verses 6 through 9 says this forsake your folly and live and Proceed in the way of understanding.

He who corrects a scoffer gets dishonor for himself and he who reproves a wicked man gets insults for himself. Do not reprove a scoffer. He will hate you reprove a wise man though. And he will love you give instruction to a wise man.

And he will still be wiser. Teach a righteous man, and he will increase his learning and you know to boil all that down. Wise people learn from their mistakes they learn from them also if you're if you're really wise you learn from the mistakes of others so you don't actually repeat them and.

And that's what I want to do is I want to learn from some of the failures and the flaws. So we can do better because this situation is not going away. It may change forms. It may look different, but we still have a real social justice challenge.

And so I'm not going to spend a lot of time defining social justice or I think last time I was here I talked about that quite a bit. I'm just going to kind of assume that everyone here is on the same page with that that you know social justice.

Not so good and led to a bunch of Christian heresies and other problems. And so if you want more information on that you can pick up the red book in the back. Christianity and social justice. And I should also say about those books.

Because people I know some of you might want to get a copy for yourself or your pastor. If money's a problem just take one. I think there might there might be a little sign suggested donation 15 bucks.

Just go ahead and take one because this is an important topic. And I want you to be equipped and for the the red book. There's also on if you go to John Harris podcast calm you can download a PDF. That's for small groups, so you can actually my brother put that together.

So you can go through. I think it's like six or seven weeks and talk about the chapters and and really dive into it. So if that's something that you know you're not up to speed with there's some resources.

Why Christian Leaders Failed: Shepherds, Managers, and Cowards

Now here's my thesis for this particular talk though. And and and so I phrased this as carefully as I could it's a little it's lengthy. It's a paragraph, but this is my thesis. Within the old positive world paradigm and what I mean by that is when Christianity was viewed as a positive in society within that old positive world paradigm political courage was not essential to building successful Christian institutions a preference for leaders and systems which produced successful stable institutions and brands within Liberalism which is kind of the baseline political environment were in those took priority over internal virtue and doctrinal conformity this rendered Christian leaders incapable of responding to negative world treatment, which is what we're in now.

Christianity is a negative and Illiberal challenges because they by and large were not shepherds, and they still operated on a liberal mindset. Thank you, John. It's all clear now, so Let me let me give you that's my carefully worded thesis really the the shorthand of that is we're in a situation where Christians are viewed very negatively by the institutions in our society and our Seminaries our institutions.

They're not equipped for this. They're not they weren't designed for this. They're not ready for this. There it's like if you if you try to load new software onto an old operating system. It's not going to work, and and that's kind of the situation I think that we're in in some ways.

And so there's two facets of this that I want to focus on first is we have a problem with a lack of shepherds pastors in the church like true Shepherds, that's that's number one. And I'm gonna get into why that might be the case and then number two is I think we have still a very liberal mindset in the church.

Notice I didn't say woke mindset necessarily, but a liberal mindset that paved the way. For wokeness in some ways, and I'll get to that. But let me just just so you know what I'm talking about before we get there.

You know when I was growing up, and I'm sure this is still the case there were a lot of like mottos and taglines and you know messages in media even children's shows that I absorbed things like You can be anything that you want to be right never heard that or Diversity is our strength.

You know or no one should tell you what you can do with your body. Right, so all of these things carry assumptions with them bodily autonomy diversity of Religion and ethnicity and all these things these are all good and.

And a positive good that should be defended and expanded perhaps. This idea that. That we have where the masters of our fate we can sort of individualism where we can kind of choose what we want to be.

And now people are choosing not to be their gender soon. Maybe you know this is transhumanism, but people might choose not to be human in their minds. And so so we're getting to this this place that has been.

Let's see the wheels have been very greased by a liberalism. And we've all kind of lived under liberalism and the way that I think liberalism worked in our society was we had. We thought it worked at least because we had a Christian kind of default setting because you still had in God we trust and the chapel bells were still ringing and we still had Christmas celebrations and and Thanksgiving and other Social occasions that bound us together we could tolerate certain minorities that weren't Christians.

They just they weren't allowed to be in charge of everything in our society, but we could tolerate them well now. We're getting to a point I've just heard even recently in Minneapolis where I guess there's whole regions that aren't they're not Christian at all they're entirely Muslim, and now we're reaping the consequences of the.

The ideas the ideology really that we used to. To justify the the previous order that we the liberal order the liberal order is breaking down. It's not working it because it never really actually worked.

There was no such thing as a neutral society for a deracinated individuals. There's always going to be a religious component. There's always going to be groups and group interests and culture and these kinds of things.

So so that's what I mean by liberalism. We'll get into that a little more later. But I want to start with lack of shepherds. Lack of shepherds. I'd say if I was going to focus on one problem above the others it would be this.

In 2020 it became painfully obvious to me that most of my heroes or who I thought were my heroes. Really were not worthy of the respect that I gave them in Christian institutions. Some of them were brilliant theologians some of them have written books that helped me some of them I and I don't want to you know.

I don't want to poopoo any of that some of that was good, but I I realized That many of these men lacked something very basic to leadership. It's called courage. It's called virtue. It's called being willing to stand up for things that are true.

We're willing to stand up for the people that you represent and their well-being and we did not see that. We saw a lot of self-serving we see a lot of fear a lot of willingness to carry government messaging and The messaging of the social justice movement, and I could name names.

I'm not going to do all of that here I'll name a few but I Is that that's what I do. I huh, I guess I'm not gonna be able to get through it without naming some names. Come on. I have to do that. I think though that's you can lay a lot of this at the feet of seminaries at least in the church and the way that seminaries are Are set up and I know dr. Fuller's gonna talk I think more about this later but I sat through many seminary classes from 2011 to my career seminary crew was a bit sporadic.

So 2011 2014 2017 2018 I sat through a bunch of in you know major seminaries in their classes in evangelicalism. Hearing what was being taught talking to the students who are around me to figure out. You know, what's what was driving them why they were in seminary.

What what were. What kind of a person were they going to be when they graduated and were sent back to their churches? I talked about I think in the in the red book Russell Fuller wrote the introduction to that one and and we have many stories like this but there's a story that I share I believe at the beginning of that where I'm sitting in class.

This is in Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary and the professor this is a Christian I think leadership Class. Yeah, they have classes on that. I'm not sure exactly why but Because it's kind of I don't know my opinion a lot of these classes it should be assumed that you're already there to be a leader that we had like a devotional class and a discipleship class and all these things that so so this was one of those those what I considered at least for seminary level to be kind of a fluff class and so I'm not I didn't always pay maybe the best attention in those classes, but this really.

This got me like parsing Hebrew words, you know as I'm listening to you know, you should pray and I'm like, I should pray and The the professor turns on this video and shows it to the class and it is Dr. Al Mohler on I think it was Larry King live.

So you might remember this was like back in 2010 or something. He was on Larry King live with rabbi schmooly rabbi schmooly Had a big problem with Christians and one of his problems was Christians are responsible for like everything.

Including the Holocaust. Okay, so Christians what they need to do is they need to apologize for the Holocaust and Al Mohler to his credit at that time in 2010. He defended Christians a bit I don't I don't think that was us.

You got the wrong guy. We're not it's not like Christianity that's at fault for that well, I Remember the professor stopped playing the clip and he turned to the class and he he asked what would you do in this situation?

If you as a pastor if you were in dr. Mohler's position, what would you do? Student raises his hand. I would apologize because you know, the world needs to see that we're willing to own our mistakes. And my heart sank and I thought well, you know The professor's gonna give it to him because obviously that's wrong and to my surprise the professor looked at him and said, you know I think if dr. Mohler had done that interview today.

That's what he would have done. And that's what we should do. And I couldn't believe what I was hearing and so I raised my hand I tried to object there I didn't really get any traction so we should probably like, you know get the story of the Holocaust straight and Understand that this wasn't it's certainly this wasn't Orthodox Christians driving this kind of thing but you know, you can't pin this on Christianity and It was pretty much ignored and that that was one of one of the moments.

There's a few moments in seminaries one of the moments. I thought something's wrong. Something's really wrong if this is what we're being told to do in our interaction with the world that we should just cower that we should just accept the labels that they want to pin on us and Just say yeah, you're right.

We're terrible and it's because it's our Christianity, I guess I mean, that's the assumption you have to walk away with. And it's no surprise that many of the people that I went to seminary with aren't walking with the Lord anymore.

They deconstructed they've it was the off-ramp from Christianity. Because think about it if you're gonna tell everyone You're you belong to one of the worst racist misogynistic homophobic institutions in the history of the world.

We've perpetrated all this evil, but we get it. We got it right now in 2 ,000 years of error, but you know, it's you know, it's like It's like going to a Klan meeting that's doing diversity training now.

It's like no that was our past where we're different now. Well, you know, no one's gonna no one's gonna buy that. As soon as you start looking into the history and you start believing these things you're just gonna say, you know what?

I can do activism a lot better in the Democratic Party. I can find a secular institution where I can Express my concerns for justice. I don't have to do it in the church. And and so this is what's happened is there's been the result of this has been deconstruction it's been it's been the off-ramp from Christianity and.

And I have many other stories that are very similar to that. I bring this story up for one purpose though. And that's to show you something that I think many of us probably We're not aware of at that time.

Some of us are now. Many of the pastors coming out of these seminaries are activists their community organizers. They're not pastors and that's part of the problem and they and they they're corrupt because they're corrupted by this ideology and they think that social justice is Part of the gospel.

It's an it's synonymous with with the gospel. It's a foundational Orthodox belief. It is it is the gospel part of the gospel necessary for the gospel. A good example. This would be Eric Mason who wrote a broke church and in the book Eric Mason argues that Christians can learn how to work for gospel change quote-unquote from secular social justice initiatives.

Now you think about that. We're gonna learn how to we're gonna learn about the gospel the gospel change. From people who aren't saved who aren't Christians who aren't believers. Who the scripture says their father's the devil?

That's where we're gonna learn our you know, I'm not saying you can't learn from unbelievers things. But but gospel change that's you're gonna learn that from unbelievers. That's the argument. He makes in woke Church.

And there's many more examples of this. Russell Moore I think does this kind of stick all the time. Jarvis Williams at Southern Seminary where Ross dr. Fuller was he does this kind of thing where they merge social justice categories with The gospel and they create a heresy when they do that.

It's it's a conflation of long grace essentially and it's almost worse than that because it's not even Christian law. It's just secular these categories that aren't even in so we were talking at lunch about a lot of these these terms are so elastic and vague you can just you can call someone something like An anti-semite or a misogynist or so and you don't know exactly what that means.

You don't find it in your Bible, but it's something that that can be weaponized and destroy your career or your life and. And this is what they do and they call that the gospel. They call that gospel change if you're not on board with it.

You're compromised. So these are activists they're they're going into your churches and they want to convert your churches to and or Christian ministries to arms of Social justice so you can then be the change in your community and that change means an egalitarian kind of change.

It means all mostly Democrat Party initiatives to be quite frank with you. That's one kind of group and I saw these people at my own seminary. I saw them and I'm saying everyone was that but that was there was certainly there was that Undercurrent there and they were being encouraged in this they were some of them were being radicalized by their seminary experience.

Now that's one group now, they're not shepherds in my opinion. That's not you that you're not coming. You're not bringing someone into your church who is a shepherd who is there because they meet the biblical qualifications.

They're gonna refute those who contradict they love their sheep their sheep know their voice. That's not what you're getting when you hire one of these people. The second group that I see coming out of seminary training are the managers and they they're not as corrupt.

But there are compromise because they participated in social justice stuff, but they they were a little more shrewd about it. They're driven more by tactics than theology. And I think this is the majority of seminarians probably.

Whatever they believed could be endorsed while still maintaining orthodoxy was so is risk calculation. So If they could, you know get away with marching with BLM for example while their churches were closed and They could still point to the statement of faith.

They signed that's what they would do, right? They would go as far as they could with what essentially the world was Was telling them they needed to do while maintaining whatever orthodoxy they could so they're holding these things in tension as much as possible.

Example would be JD Greer. He said the Bible appears more to whisper on sexual sin compared to when it shouts about materialism and religious pride. So you see in that there's a prioritization so sins that These are all sins according to Scripture but there's a new way of organizing them and making really a hierarchy of sin in such a way that Sexual sin is now downgraded and religious pride and not materialism is kind of like upgraded to be the more Concerning thing.

This was part of this man. He was trying to manage his congregation to get them to go along as far as they were willing to go. While maintaining their Christianity. Rick Warren. Ed Stetzer. Phil Vischer.

They would complain about conservative Christians being discipled by cable news. Frustrating their plans for social harmony in their church. You know churches were split up because of the kovat stuff as well.

And this and this was their thing. They just wanted to manage the situation. They just wanted everyone to get along as much as possible. So their churches could remain together. We're just gonna go a little woke over here.

We're just gonna we're just gonna it's not gonna affect your life that much. The danger of this of course is a lobotomized Christianity. And I think this has encouraged the deconstruction to trends. There's a good example of this Kirsten Powers CNN political analyst.

And I was gonna ask to see if anyone heard of Kirsten Powers, but none of you watch CNN so silly question, isn't it? Kirsten Powers though if you happen to watch CNN ever if you're flipping through the channels and Accidentally the remote breaks or something and you're stuck on CNN.

You might see Kirsten Powers. Well Kirsten Powers. This was maybe a year or two ago. She she came out and said that essentially Tim Keller had been such a Monumental figure in her life and Had convinced her to come back to church and convinced her that Christianity was a good thing and you know Tim Keller.

Tim Keller was great. But then she found out when she got into Christianity more what Christians actually believed. She was really fine with the messages about helping the poor and the more philosophical TED talks that Tim Keller would give.

That made her feel good. But once she got into realizing that actually and specifically it was Christianity teaches patriarchy. That there's male headship she rejected the whole thing and She realized and she felt duped by Tim Keller.

She felt like she had been given kind of a bait-and-switch. Like and she she said she wrote a column on this and on her it was on her personal blog. But she said that she said Tim Tim Keller never talked about that stuff.

I didn't know that I was I would have to buy into male headship. And once she found that out she left the whole thing and this is what the the effect of this manager kind of disposition does. The whole intent is to look outside see what's popular what you think is popular perceptions everything because it's what's popular.

Usually in blue cities and the media drives that narrative and you look at that and you think I want to reach those people. So I got a bunch of conservative Christians in my church though. How do I bend them as far and stretch them as far as they're willing to go so that we can try to reach those?

People by speaking the language that will appeal to them and that's what happened with Kirsten Powers. She she was the the language that she wanted to hear was spoken to her and then when she realized.

That wasn't actually the full picture of what true Christianity was. She rejected it and. And this is what seminaries also crank out managers. You're a manager. You're you know, I had classes where they would tell us how to get our church more diverse.

You know, these are all management techniques. Even the leadership stuff most of it's a joke to be quite honest. It's like leaders are just the ones who lead they're willing to stand up and they love their people.

It's not much more complicated than that but we have these, you know ten step here's how to be a leader and here's all these tools and tricks and. And and and sports analogies and things and it's like some of that might be helpful.

But you know, it's a lot of this is about management. And here's the third category that I think is a problem before I get to the silver lining. Because I'm you know, people know me as such a positive guy.

So I'm I'm gonna try to give you you know, get past this negative stuff. And that's the academics, okay, and the academics they weren't corrupt they weren't compromised as much they were they were compromised.

But they were cowards. They were cowards and They didn't practice social justice. They didn't participate in social justice, but they did permit social justice. I'm gonna give you some I'm gonna name some names on this one.

And I and this is called the punch right nuance left strategy right, so. Someone to the little bit to the right of you who might be off or maybe they're not even off. But they're just outside the Overton window of what's acceptable.

You punch them hard. You point everyone to them and you say that they're a heretic. They're horrible. They're bad. It's how people kind of treat me. Sometimes they're the worst thing. They're Christian nationalists and.

And and then what you do is when someone to the left of you who you know, maybe could be even to the far left. You know, they're they don't even know what gender they are you nuance that and so we have to understand their upbringing.

You have to understand where they're coming. It's so complicated. It's called the punch right nuance left. That's what I call it. Let me give you a few examples of this. Karl Truman publicly spoke against critical race theory in the abstract.

He's very courageous against critical race theory. Yet he defended Grove City College when parents and students exposed it for promoting teachings consistent with critical race theory. Right. So this is the kind of thing.

I'm talking. He's very academic. He's very smart and some good things to say about some things but when the rubber meets the road and it's in your own backyard blind eye. Actually, not even a blind eye wanting to Castigate the people and impose that propose the people who are bringing the topic up.

Kevin de Young also Been critical of critical race theory for grace theory not good. And Kevin de Young and I'm sorry if some of you don't know these names. He's he's kind of big in the PCA gospel coalition board member.

He signaled agreement. I remember watching this. There's a thing he had with a guy named Bobby Scott. It was at the last e4g conference they had this panel on critical race theory and Bobby Scott suggested that Christians at the together for the gospel conference failed to fully accomplish quote the ministry of reconciliation.

Unquotes because they're too white conference looks too white. We're clearly not. And this is this is a gospel thing. Really? We're we're the ministry of reconciliation in Scripture, which is reconciliation of God and man.

We're not accomplishing this here because it's too white. Kevin de Young just nodded along in agreement with this or at least signaled his agreement he'd have a problem with it and and and and and so this is the rubber meets the road and.

Then it's not as big of a problem. John Payne another guy in the PCA Presbyterian Church in America condemned the revoice theology, which is gay celibate theology. You can be gay. You just can't practice it.

He condemns this and yet he referred to key PCA leaders who promoted that theology and corrupted the gospel as friends from different perspectives and brothers in Christ. These guys are academics these guys are smart they write books and there's many more like them.

They they're all over our seminaries what they seem to lack was courage. Courage when it would cost them because their institutions were corrupted and if they were to say something they might lose their job.

They might lose their clout. They might lose their respect and. And that's what I think that's the only explanation. I know of that must have kept them silent. There's a fourth category though, and this is I think a legitimate biblical category of shepherds.

Shepherds did not show cowardice. They did not compromise. They did they were not corrupt. They did not permit social justice. They didn't participate in it. They didn't practice it. They showed courage and they prevented it.

They prevented social justice from coming into their churches. There's many examples of this but I'm going to tell you of something true here. And and I'll just tell it to you straight most of the examples if not all the examples that I know of.

There might be a few exceptions, but they come from pastors such as your own pastor Seth. They come from pastors in smaller churches across the country it is very hard to find people with this kind of courage in institutions and and this is one of my clues that we had a problem with the seminaries and a problem with The very technology or the mechanisms that are you providing pastors to us the patty the pastor factory, right?

There's a problem there and It shows up in this way. I know of I know of a guy in outside of Trying to think what's the liberal city in the state of Oregon. Portland, thank you Portland no guy outside of Portland a contractor his shirt church was shut down during kovat for indefinitely and People wanted to meet Christians wanted to me and he just started his own church and people started coming.

He wasn't expecting that now. It's a church. Just a contractor, right? I know a church in southern, Indiana where? This was a very hard decision for them, but they they had to leave the church that they were at and they had you know 20 people in a living room and It was over these compromises social justice kovat stuff.

Well now, you know, I went there a year after they had started they had 200 people and I mean courage is infectious just like You know discouragement or cowardice can be infectious. So can courage you see a courageous person you say maybe I can stand too and I see this kind of thing all over the country and I speak at places where you have courageous pastors.

But it is rarely shows up in the institutions. Dr. Fuller is an example of this. Gregory Scholes at Concordia University is an example of this. These are men who did take a stand and they suffered the consequences for it and So these are men worthy of respect, but the institutions are designed to punish that kind of that kind of that opposition so what we need is More shepherds.

That's the that's what I want to suggest to you. That is the solution to much of this is Just we need more shepherds and I'll come back to this at the end and share with you perhaps in what ways we can We can inspire that and where we should look for for leaders in the future because I think things are changing very quickly in academics in the church everywhere and It's going to be courage.

That's the thing people look for now more than well. I have my credentials I have a piece of paper. I have you know, I know this person. It's going to be more. Did you are you willing to suffer for what you believe?

The Liberal Mindset Behind Social Justice, Individualism, and Identity

So The second thing this I'll just briefly say this because I'm running out of time and I need to get to the liberal mindset but I think that There's also this preferred leader in many churches at the seminaries can cater to this a tendency to prefer pastors with a meek voice good bedside manner maternal instincts.

Sometimes a more fundamentalist circles a pastor who rages about a narrow range of topics outside the buildings of the church but there's there's kind of like a preference for a Certain type of pastor who's not a shepherd.