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Join us for the newest edition of Apologia Radio! We want to take a deep breath, smile, discuss the Coronavirus, and tell you about what God is doing.
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That's Luke the bear right there. What are you guys are just hopping on you saw the title of the episode was smile. Smile, it's the corona virus special. People like well, how can you smile about corona virus?
Well rejoice in the Lord always again. I will say rejoice I know that right now. Well, we thought your feeds right now are inundated with news articles and all the stuff about the CDC and all the stuff about coronavirus new new a good stuff happening in terms of malaria Treatment that's actually shown to be very effective against corona virus.
Tested in France and some other places. So good news on that front. But also you're seeing of the other things about shutdowns and you're seeing things about martial law. And they are TIAL not Marshall.
Hey, dude, Marshall. What's happening? Martial law you're seeing things about Businesses being closed down now permanently. They're shuttering their doors because they're not gonna be able to make it through this.
You're seeing now struggles with people losing their jobs. It's we're already seeing an apology at church. We've got families have lost their jobs. No promise of it ever coming back. I've got family members that have just got a call this week lost his job.
It's done. And I fired a bunch of them or not fired laid off a bunch of employees. So the effects of corona virus at the moment seem to be most devastating. To the American people in terms of the economy itself.
And so you're seeing all of that. And I'm seeing it and I saw a funny meme the other day. It was Who's that? Pastor James would know this who's that? Who's the Star Trek captain with the bald head? What's our pick?
Yeah, maybe Picard. I'm guessing I think I don't know I don't I know nothing about Star Trek and he's sitting there and shares like every morning when I wake up you. You're it's always damage report and like right.
Let's see. Yeah, let's see what's happened the last couple days. I'm not a Trekkie.
No, so please.
Understand yeah, don't get angry with us. I'm guessing well at any rate what pastor Luke and I what the bear and I would like To do for this episode is we wanted to do some serious stuff. We're gonna try to engage with some of Rhett and Link's commentary over their apostasy.
It's sad because Good Mythical Morning is like that was your jam. It's like yeah my jam. I love the Good Mythical Morning and for me It wasn't even so much that like I knew these guys were like professing Christians.
I learned later like after I had been watching Good Mythical Morning for a long time I learned much later that they were they they did stuff for VeggieTales and oh, I didn't even know I thought was they were great.
I thought they were great and I heard they were Christians like that's cool. That's great. Wonderful. They did good content and they've both recently I guess fairly recently Apostatized or fallen into apostasy and now they're coming out and making sure that everyone knows why and it's interesting how people will often do that and So we're gonna try to engage them with some of that.
Hopefully we do in a meaningful way in a helpful way, but we also want to have fun today. Because your feeds are filled lighten it up. Yeah, your feeds are filled with you know, the world's gonna end by the way no, and No, the plans for the kingdom of God in Scripture are much bigger and they are vast and We've got a long way to go and not saying that there can't be plagues and things to wipe out populations and all the rest.
But if you are quoting Matthew 24 Luke 21 mark 13 related to coronavirus. Your exegesis is off. And if you want me to answer that Go through our feed here and go through our study in our series on the Great Tribulation Matthew 24.
And I think that is demonstrated very clearly from the text of Scripture and historically that is not the case. So let's not let's not apply Matthew 24 and the Great Tribulation passages to what's happening today.
Or you're gonna find yourself in the same Situation as Christians throughout history that have tried to do that with every pandemic every plague that occurred. They were like this is the end. We're over.
Jesus is returning at any moment and then all of a sudden it passes away and then you look foolish. For putting words in Jesus's mouth. And so let's not do that. God's in full control be anxious about nothing.
Let's have some fun. But before do you want to just maybe just start with this kick off? Should we kick off with the what should we do first? Let me have so much do we have some funny stuff to play for you guys.
Should we start off since we did Corona? Should we talk would you go through Doug's thing real fast? Yeah, let's do that. Okay, we're gonna play if we're gonna play for everybody our friend Pastor Douglas Wilson.
Speaking on a coronavirus outbreak at least at least to sort of lay down some. Take a breath think with wisdom approach it in a godly thoughtful manner. Let's not behave like the world in terms of panic and fear and not being wise and and being thoughtful through it.
We're gonna do an episode next week. Lord willing. That's the plan next week. We're gonna do an episode where we try to really dig into the corona virus from a biblical perspective. Talking about quarantine biblical quarantine laws that those are actually justified at times.
How do we apply those and in terms of how should the church respond to it? Do we shut down worship. Is it right to just simply yield to the government whenever they say by decree? We say this is a pandemic and now close the churches and destroy the economy.
Does the church have any authoritative way to speak to that? And a way to speak to that with godly wisdom and With biblical principles all hanging in the balance. So we're gonna do that next week. Yeah, but today we want to at least start this off with I think some biblical form of sanity.
From Doug and let's do that first. I think that's probably the wisest choice. And then we'll get into some fun stuff today. So let's go ahead and do that. So this is Pastor Doug talking about coronavirus.
Seattle was trending this morning. How should Christians be responding to the corona virus? They should go wash their hands right now. More Purell more more Purell wash their hands basically I would sum it up as keep calm and wash your hands.
So. So you have kind of a no big deal approach to it or no, I think it I think it's a big deal but I think it's a I think that it's a. Our lives are surrounded all the time by big deals. Mm-hmm. Okay, so 25 ,000 Americans, let's say I've not looked this up recently, but let's say 25 ,000 Americans die annually in car wrecks.
Okay. Well. That's a big deal, right? But that doesn't it didn't probably didn't even occur to you when you hopped in your car this this morning. From what I've there's there are a number of things about this and it's hard to.
This is hard to navigate. Because you're we're we're trying it. We're having to deal with the corona virus at the same time that there's been a marked breakdown of trust in our public institutions. Okay, and some of that breakdown of trust is richly deserved.
Right, so the CDC is A public health organization their job their job is to equip us for situations just like this, right? But how many Americans die of the regular flu. Every year, right and and so the question in order to answer that question We have to go to the CDC for statistics.
And if there's a breakdown of trust then that opens the door wide for conspiracy theorists. You know of the Russian collusion didn't work release the virus, right? Okay. Okay, so you've got that kind of thing, but and and sometimes the CDC Reacts to infectious diseases like a hen with one chick.
Yeah, they just that's their whole reason for existence and so they They pounce on it. They hover over it and it's their job to make it a big deal. Right? Okay, fine. That's that's all right. But what's actually going on?
How bad you know, let's say this whole thing passes. Right and two months from now what we're trying to remember what the corona virus scare was. It's quite possible that any number of Americans had the corona virus.
Thought thought that they had the flu or thought that they had a bad cold and never went to the doctor. Right, right and because they never went to the doctor. They never had corona virus. Diagnosed. Yeah.
Well, how many times has that happened in the past where something didn't get tagged now? I'm not making assertions here. I'm just I'm just saying Look this I don't see reason for Panicking. I do I do think that it's shutting down.
Travel from certain hard-hit areas is a prudent thing to do. I. What about church on Sunday? Would you shut down church? Yes, I would if there were if there were. Mmm, let's say multiple cases of Corona diagnosed coronavirus here in Moscow.
Mm-hmm. I would in principle be willing to To cancel church for a week or two would it? Okay, so in principle in principle, so.
So, there you go, I think that's good. That's a good start to the conversation and as you guys are just joining us again we are.
Today.
Very much wanting to have a time of smiling and relaxing, of course, we know your feeds are just absolutely inundated with information from the news from the CDC from friends from people and outright panics to people saying Shut up.
It's no big deal. That's sort of a thing. And so we wanted today to have some fun. But I think that that's some wise Counsel there. Yeah from Doug and and if I could just at least lay this down to prepare everybody for next week.
In Principle there are there is biblical law related to quarantine. And so it is it is an issue of biblical law and standards of justice and what is right? However, just because there is a biblical law for quarantine doesn't mean it's always appropriate for the government to wield it and We have to weigh a lot of things in the balance here.
And I think it's important to recognize That elders of churches have to all make decisions before the Lord that they'll answer for and they have to do them To the glory of God and I think one thing we need to make sure we're not doing is cutting each other's throats as Christians during this time if elders of one church make one decision and they're doing it before the Lord as an act of Worship towards him and to protect their people and to love God and love neighbor.
Then we need to rejoice and say praise God. I may disagree with how you're handling that but I'm not going to cut your throat or disrespect you. And in terms of if you have another instance where elders say, you know what?
I agree that quarantine is biblical and there could be a biblical Reasoning and and just reasoning behind quarantine however I recognize also that we are not living under a Christian or godly state at the moment and That our state may not may be making decisions in a wise or biblical Fashion, they may not even be making Decisions in a rational fashion and they may be totally inconsistent and you might have pastors that say look I believe the worship of God gathering together on Sunday is of vital importance.
It's a command of God and we can't just whenever the government says so Close down worship as because the government says so or alter it all because the government says so because they say, you know We've got 10 cases here 20 cases here.
So therefore all churches across the state need to stop meeting. Pastors may say well I think you need to also consider love for neighbor as a biblical law and mandates and we need to ask the question if we close down businesses and industry.
We are destroying an economy and families. These are real people real faces real children who are not gonna be able to feed their kids or put diapers on their babies or by formula as a result of people Overreacting to something.
I'm not saying that there is an appropriate time for reaction and quarantine those sorts of things. But just just cuz the government says it doesn't mean it's so and the church does have authority. To be able to look to the government and say, you know what?
That's right. That's a wise and biblical law and and and Handling of the law and so we'll submit to that because we think it's very very wise and you're thinking rationally and rightly and there's other times that the government might say Yeah.
I don't really think we should destroy say Arizona's economy completely and put these families out in the street and and and potential evictions. Down the road and in businesses closing their doors permanently because of two months with no business.
I don't think it's really wise to destroy our neighbors completely at this point. You know I'm saying so pastors have to weigh all those things in the balance and pastors I want to say this don't have the luxury of being reactionary.
Pastors do not have the luxury of being reactionary. Pastors are not allowed to simply see media a media dump of Panic panic panic panic panic and pastors go. I guess I have to respond like them. Pastors have to actually think about things biblically.
Pastors have to think about things in a patient manner. Pastors have to examine biblical principles and say how am I supposed to handle this? And pastors shouldn't be the kinds of leaders that simply say what's that?
Where's the stream headed? Let me jump in and that's where we should go because you got to think about consistency here. And I want you maybe add to this too I think you got anything about consistency here if pastors are going to say peanut butter.
Spread Romans 13 baby obey your governing authorities. I want to say you don't really believe that. You don't believe that in every circumstance Romans 13 is an appropriate response. And someone says no no not always appropriate to say fine.
So we're all in agreement that Romans 13 doesn't mean universal authority of the of the state. It means the state is God's deacon don't forget that God's deacon who's deacon. God's deacon not the deacon of some other God not the servant of some other God the servant of God which means that the role of the State is to actually handle the issue of punishing the evildoers and protecting the righteous.
But what is the state who is the state under under God according to Romans 13 which God the true God. So who should they be obeying the true God? And so what we recognize is that there are instances in Scripture where you have clearly clearly clearly the people of God.
Rejecting the authority of the state when the state is not acting wisely or submissively to the king and so you of course you can go about with Daniel bow just bow just bow or sorry a Shadrach Meshach and Abednego just bow just bow.
No, you could have issues like say Enacts where of course you get the Apostles being told. By that by the by the authorities stop preaching in Jesus name and they say very clearly we must obey God rather than men.
It's not to say that there may not be a time completely where pastors that say no biblical quarantine is appropriate here. It's right here. It's just here. We need to manage this. Absolutely, it's just to say that we can't peanut butter slather Romans 13 over every instance.
When the government says you do we don't necessarily say as the authorities in the church. Absolutely. We obey. Yes Caesar. The church has the right to say are you serving the king right now? Are you being wise?
Are you loving neighbor right now is the decision you're making right now as the authoritative government? Is it something that's going to destroy and hate my neighbors? That's also a thing that has to be held in as a principle.
So what I'm saying is is the right balanced perspective pastorally speaking biblically speaking as communities is to hang together in the balance biblical laws regarding quarantine biblical laws of the preservation of life biblical laws about the Subordinate authority of the state very important biblical laws about again loving neighbor caring for neighbor we need to uphold that and say as Pastors do we find it wise that we Plunge the economy into a depression as a result of something that at the moment We're looking at the numbers and we could say, you know We've got things like this that face us on a on an annual basis and if we're gonna be consistent here and just say yes, we're gonna close down worship and just Decimate the economy as a result of a viral threat.
Then are you prepared to do it the next three times this year when? Influenza is a thing the next strain of the influenza actually is wiping out a lot of the population. We're gonna close down services.
Are we gonna close down businesses? I'm not saying there's never a time to do that. I already acknowledged that biblical quarantine is is a thing and it can be just I'm saying that pastors have to do this Patiently they have to do it with wisdom.
And they have to deal with a knowledge of a lot of biblical principles sort of stacked up together. And you have to think through those things very thoughtfully rather than as I said Just jumping into the stream of the population in the media who says panic everybody Kill the economy destroy families destroy businesses.
It doesn't matter. Well, how many cases do you have in your area right now to? And it's like so decimate The finances of all of the people in your state because at the moment you have that many. You might want to think about that.
You might want to reconsider that and think about there are maybe other ways to handle this in the short term Rather than overreacting and decimating families. So that's that's just a start getting you ready for next week.
We're gonna do a more Expanded version of this getting into the text. We'll have a guest on we're gonna address some of these things Hopefully more helpful way, but we want to have fun. Go ahead. Yeah, so I thought that.
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I thought I thought duck duck goose did a good job.
He said the smile, right? So Doug Doug Wilson he hit he hit the nail on the head when he's talking about principles and. That's that's been our whole Conversation is we're trying to make decisions based upon principles.
So the principle is that God has ordained different spheres of government. Self family church civil and it's it's an overreach for the civil government to tell the church government how to do things. So we're saying it should be up to each local church government on how to handle their their flock individually.
And so that's the principle. That's where we're coming from in this conversation. And I mean as of right now our we don't our flocks in no real danger. So we have quarantined.
We have done quarantine ourselves. Yes. To specific families that may be at risk. Yes, we we did it out of love for everybody. You quarantine right now until we know everything's all right. Yeah, but look with that that's coming from the church.
Exactly.
Yeah, yeah, and and ultimately, you know, I People keep saying well, it's you know, it's the church's Responsibility pastors responsibility to love neighbor and like you said, there's a lot that goes into that.
It's not just health and it's you know, also Economically and believe believe me we know When at when people are hurting guess who's dealing with that when people need money guess who's dealing with pastors?
Exactly, and nobody thinks about that and so it's our our duty to make sure our Fox taking care of as well and I say that the whole love your neighbor thing should start with Individual government. Mm-hmm.
Like so if you're feeling sick and you're not feeling well, you should take that upon yourself. To say I'm going to self quarantine, you know. And I think the problem is everybody's so used to the state being the Savior and the Messiah And so we're expecting the state to make these decisions for the good of the people and then they drop it down to the passers.
It's like well actually it should start with the individual. That's what that's where love for neighbors should start with right there. And.
So there was someone's gonna say I lost it. No, that was excellent. That was very clear.
But that that's oh, I know that I want to make sure that we're clear like We're not sitting here saying because I've heard this from people we're not saying well. We're being singled out as a church. The point is that This is an actual ordained sphere of government from God and there's there's an overstep In those spheres and so, you know, but again if we're at a spot where we're like, you know What our flock is in serious danger, we're gonna be wise.
We're not being careless. We're not being cavalier. We're trying to look to the good of everyone and then yeah and way like you said way those what it's really it's really important.
And if we get let's let's end it on this because it's going to do the whole show a whole show on this. But it's really important. Like pastor Luke says you got to weigh all these things in the balance and think about them with godly wisdom.
If the government says hey, we want to love our neighbors and and you go. Hey, I like that I like that love for neighbor is that's the second greatest commandment. Everything hangs on that love God love neighbor and they want you all to love your neighbors and we go fantastic.
I'm on board sign up. What's the legislation and they go? We're gonna close down all these businesses for the next two or three months and. Yeah, and you go we go. Excuse me. Hold on right? I thought we said we were loving our neighbors here and they go.
No, we are from the potential threat of this disease and you go. Okay good. You're thinking wisely. You need to take all those things into consideration. How many cases do we have right now and they go right now we have about 20 cases right now in in the whole state.
Yeah, and so you're gonna shut down numerous cities and close down numerous family businesses and you're gonna put people out of work and lay off families and all these different things and Then that's gonna become now a tax burden for the entire state.
So now everyone else is gonna get their taxes increased more taken away from them because of what you're choosing to do so now we have. I Thought we were trying to love our neighbors here. Are we loving our neighbors or not?
Because what I see is now my neighbor being decimated by your decision. What you said was to love your neighbor. And so what we have to do is try to think about that in the most godly and wise way. How do we best love our neighbor in cases like this?
And so what we're doing as pastors is we're looking across the landscape and what we're doing is we're saying Okay guys take special care take steps to do this. Make sure you're loving one another you feel ill or sick or whatever.
Do not come to church. Do not come to worship try to stay away from everybody and we're also saying to people who may potentially be what who were in The medical field. We're saying if you have any kind of contact then you right now need to quarantine yourself from the body.
Right, and that's that's appropriate wise godly decision-making that's coming from a local church context and guess what we didn't do. We didn't decimate an entire city's finances. Through doing that and so you you just I think what you just said was beautiful.
You just said that people today see government as our Savior and as our Messiah. So there's a difficulty in the community was the first thing to do they go save us. Yeah, save us and and and that's that's part of the problem.
Yeah.
Because a lot of times in the good when the Messiah when the state Messiah comes to save you. It comes with a lot of pain a lot of removal of freedoms and it comes with a lot of new controls. I saw Nancy Pelosi that dirty old that dirty old lady.
See what she did. She she tried to squeeze in some abortion funding into the million dollars into the corona virus thing. It's like you dirty old hag. So it just it just shows the wickedness. Right. And that that's my point.
The state's the Messiah the states. Okay, great. So like what we'll save you and then all the while they're saving you. They're destroying other people and you're adding things like that in there. So yeah.
All right, and just quickly I would say even in an apology of church. We now at this point have more people that have lost their jobs. Yeah, then we do people that have even come in contact or the need to be going.
Well, that's a good point those and let's let's definitely put it put a pin in that to say that's the key thing. Is that Monday morning you and I are waking up to phone calls from our church body saying I was laid off.
I don't have a job. My hours are cut down to 15 hours. And the as pastors, that's what we're seeing. Yep. So when we talk about we need to love our neighbors. I'm looking at the neighbors who are being decimated right now going but do you right but do you love them?
How about them? Do they get love too? Hold that in the balance at all times as you give it the wise godly decision that doesn't just peanut butter slather Romans 13 or Love your neighbors you love yourself because I'm gonna say I believe in those completely and we need to hold those things together with godly Wisdom.
Okay, so we got to go Recently, we're gonna get to you know, what? Let's let's do this. Let's do something fun first and then let's go into playing a clip of William Wallace. We're gonna tell you what happened in Scotland and what God did so let's.
This is a fun one. The video is a little fuzzy on this one, but I you just need to see it. Anyways, guys, this is really good. Jim Brewer talking about why mothers need their sleep. I saw Jim Brewer live.
He actually is married. She's a Christian now his wife's a Christian now and she's obviously having some great influence on him and his his more modern stuff. I went to his comedy thing at the improv and I I was my stomach hurt so bad from laughing.
It was one of the best comedy things I've ever seen and all his jokes were like Lit they were all Christian worldview kind of jokes. They were he was like totally desk. He was totally dissing porn and and all his jokes were like I was like a Christian.
This is like a Christian comedy show and people were dying and there was no there was no foul language or anything like that at all. It was actually pretty amazing. So here's Jim Brewer on why mothers need their sleep.
The best is uh, I'm gonna help every man in here because again, they don't teach you about father like real fatherhood. The best thing you could do as a father is Make sure your wife the mother of your children.
Get as much rest as possible because sleep deprivation in a mother leads to murder. They see it on the news like another woman drowned her kids and she just needed a nap. That was it. It's true. My wife's a beautiful woman and she installs faith in life.
She's like, you know the kids and make sure you thank God for a wonderful day and just thank them for everything We have and just we're blessed and but if she don't nap. She don't sleep. The devil goes.
I'll take over from here. And there is nothing worse than waking up as a man in the middle of the night like 5 in the morning and your wife. Just sitting on the edge of the bed. Just staring at you. Baby, what are you doing?
What why are you not? What are you doing up so early up so early?
I haven't been to bed yet. I haven't had any sleep whatsoever.
Well, we we came to bed together at 10 and we went to bed. No, no. No No.
No, you fell asleep at 10. I was up. And who can fall asleep when you fall asleep because you pass out. Your mouth is always facing my way. It smells like someone defecating your mouth and your breath is disgusting.
It's disgusting. You need to go to a doctor. I have no eyebrows left because you're blowing on my face. And I kick you and I shove you and you don't even move. Would you. You wouldn't even wake up if we were attacked in the middle of the night you would hear nothing.
Why don't you go to sleep. I wish I could.
And then just when I was ready to fall asleep The three-year-old came walking in woke me up. She was filled with pee. She peed in her bed again. She wet her whole bed and then I have to change her clothes and then now she's mad and she throws a fit and then I throw a fit and we're running around.
I'm doing the clothes and I have to change the covers and you know why she wet the bed. Because you.
Gave her water. Before bedtime. I tell you. Don't give the children any liquid before bedtime. I don't want to bed. But you don't listen. You want to be the good guy all the time. By the way, I killed the cats.
Moms need their sleep. Just funny as with Augustine. My my newly adopted son or the son I'm in the process of adopting. I'm learning now like it before when I was like 25 to 29 30 years old. I could go off to our sleep.
No big deal, but man, I'm not now. No. I'm learning like as I'm 42 years old on my wife to like I'm learning like we used to be able to handle no sleep. No problem, but but man. It's different now. It's so different as you get a whole turn like not sleeping all night.
He's got basically he's like a butterball right now because he he's getting so big and he eats so much but he's got he's like I'm a newborn schedule right now. I'm like every every three hours. We're still up with him.
I'm gonna make the bottle heat it warm it. He's taking like 30 minutes to drink it then he wants to laugh and he wants to play and I'm like no. Please go to sleep. Please go to sleep. But yeah, same we all need our sleep.
Let's talk about what happened in Scotland and Ireland. But as we do let's make sure we play what has to be played anytime you talk about Scotland and Ireland is this.
Wallace is seven feet tall Kills men by the hundred and if he were here he consumed the English with fireballs from his eyes and bolts of lightning from his. And I see a whole army of my countrymen here in defiance of tyranny.
You've come to fight as three men and three men you are. How will you do without freedom to fight? And we will live. Fight and you may die. Run and you'll live. At least a while and dying in your beds many years from now.
Would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that? For one chance just one chance to come back here and tell our enemies That they may take our lives. But they'll never take.
Freedom.
Epic that movie never ever ever gets old. No, it's one it's one under any circumstance so as we start this discussion and we'll say we have very very close friends and brothers and sisters in Christ in in Northern Ireland the Republic of Ireland and Scotland and especially Jono and Rakela.
Jono is is Irish and Rakela is from Scotland. Yeah, and it was so amazing that my favorite part Memories that I'll never lose Was when we when we left Ireland's Rakela wanted to come with us to make sure she you know Guided us in our homeland and everything else.
It was so wonderful because she has such a deep Scottish accent and she loves Scotland and she loves the fact that she's Scottish but it was amazing because in Ireland, you know, you can hear the nuances the differences and like her her her.
Dial.
Accent her accent. There you go there her accent. But it's you know Irish and Scotland sound kind of to the American ear kind of similar, but you can definitely hear that Scottish. But man when we got into Scotland, we had to take two separate cabs because we had so much luggage and stuff and we're going into Edinburgh and Man, we had this this Scottish driver.
We had this thick thick accent and and it was instant it hers turned on on. I couldn't understand what they were both were saying and then for the first time I heard I heard Rakela saying I I I Like it was like so many.
I I I I like it was it was awesome.
So I was gonna say that clip you played there was much more easy to understand than Glaske.
Glaske Glaske Glaske. Even Rakela was like what what. Remember our cab drivers in Glasgow they were.
How do I they were thick?
It says our stream was What our stream was suspended, how do you start it again? Oh, no cuz you played but we're allowed to it's coming. Somebody's watching that we're okay. Hold on Carmen. Carmen how do we start it up again?
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Hello everybody. So we've been in the background going what happened to our stream. It's strange. So YouTube has weird policies like you're allowed Fair use is you're allowed to take things and make commentary and those sorts of things, but for some odd reason YouTube doesn't have a good system to figure out what is fair use.
They'll just kick your stream. And so it looks like we are still on are we still going? Okay, we're back. All right, everybody. So hello everyone. Welcome back. Sorry about that weird situation there.
We played a clip from Braveheart and apparently that means that we are Bad people and they ought to shut us down. So we're back. So what were you doing? You were saying?
Oh, I was just saying that the the Scottish in Braveheart is way easier to understand than glass key. Yeah glass key.
It's intense even Raquel. It was like, what are you saying right now? We saw a fight break out on glass key. We did. Yeah, come on at the whole experience. We got the whole experience and knives and everything knives and everything.
And yeah, it was a little Scottish girl like you better run. You're gonna get shanked. Yeah, you get out of here. You're gonna get shanked. So let's talk about it everyone. I want to encourage you guys with this many guys have been with us watching us for years praying with us praying for us many of you gave To end abortion now over the years and you've you continue to give and we want to thank you so so much for that.
Let me just bring you into it because it's such a great story. But I guess we already had a break the stream thing was the break, right? I mean, is that kind of how we're gonna do this or we'll just go with it.
What do you think? Carmen can always throw the commercials into the end. He can yes. All right, so Years, I want to take as a story because it really is amazing. Especially if you guys have given towards the ministry of end abortion now I think you have this will really bless your life in a big way to hear what God has done with it.
Providentially outside of our control. It's something that he was just doing. So I'll give you the summary years ago. I got asked by a very hardcore solid historic Presbyterian denomination in Ireland to come out to be the main speaker for their family conference that they do annually where all of them come together.
Now I want you to know these are coven enters. These are the descendants of the coven enters. These are like hardcore pipette and true Presbyterians. They are the no king but Christ and for Christ's crown and covenant Presbyterians.
So these people are legit solid and amazing godly Christians. But they asked me a Reformed Baptist pastor to be the head speaker for their family conference where they all gather together which I thought was like Did you guys unaware that I'm Reformed Baptist and you're Presbyterian?
You know, we've had some issues in the past and they were like absolutely and so I was like I'm honored. But this this conference had nothing to do with abortion per se and so I was like, yes. And so I went out to Ireland and I had the time of my life with these believers and fellowship and in worship.
But I got to actually do sort of like a teaching circuit tour. I went to their seminary I went to just all over these different churches all over Ireland. It was really an amazing experience very humbling experience.
But as we were there mind you Northern Ireland at the time and the Republic of Ireland. Abortion was still a criminal offense. Abortion was still seen as a criminal offense as a crime. However, they were getting nearer and nearer to people trying to have them overturn that I'm trying for a very long time.
But they still had as a criminal so the pastors and I would just have these conversations and they would bring it up. And I would say what are you guys doing? What are you guys doing to to fight against it as the church as with the gospel?
And the answer I was getting of course was they were disappointed even in themselves. They're like well not much. We're writing some letters here and there but Lino in the public square. What are you doing?
Well, you know nothing we need to do more. And so what happened was as I came home. It became very clear that God was allowing our church to have a very special voice in the Irish churches fight against the issue of abortion because the mind you the pro-life movement now is already starting to come over from the United States and setting up roots and in Ireland in the Republic specifically because they were closest and already starting to sort of have them change the narrative in terms of the pro-life narrative as Don't call it murder.
The woman's a victim all those sorts of things so devastating to the issue of the fight against abortion. So at any rate Luke and I and I go out there and now we're trying to equip the churches to hold back The slaughter of these innocent children in the north and in the Republic and so we were there when the they were at the edge there when the vote was taking place where the pro-choices were doing their massive March and.
And the pro-lifers held their rally, right? You want to talk about that? And what you saw? Oh, yeah, so.
So these are two different trips. The first one was the You mentioned the pro-choice rally Repeal the eighth is what they were doing and and then we came back. So that was like in the fall and then we came back in March the following year.
So that was what? 16 I just lost my mic. I think yeah, there you go. And. So anyways that when we came back then for the pro-life Thing we noticed immediately They're done. Yeah, because of the language they were using they were following the same rhetoric that the pro-life movements using here.
But what was amazing though was even even within that the pro-life rally was Way larger than the pro-choice like there was way more people and we started to Everyone we were talking to even like cab drivers.
Everyone was like no, we don't want abortion here and we're like, well, maybe they have a chance to to win this Vote because it seemed overwhelmingly that no one wanted it. But then no one came out to vote and it was a landslide victory.
They repealed the AIDS and now it's legal in the south and it was just because Christians were like I'm not they I think they just assumed That that people would come out and vote against it and it didn't happen.
Mm-hmm.
So then the north it was still illegal. It was still seen as a crime now I'm gonna stress that abortion was seen not as Distasteful as simply or saying my preferences. No, thanks. It was seen as crime in the north and the Republic crime not just a sin a crime not just something that was ugly, but a crime and Then it's released in the in this in the Republic and then the north it was still illegal.
But this is really important. Pastor Luke and I are part of a conversation. We had no idea what God was doing. This is really what I hope blesses those of you guys who have been praying for us and you've been giving towards an abortion now.
For years or even this last year. We were there to support the churches there. And the one thing we noticed is there wasn't a Christian Church Based movement against the issue of abortion that was gospel centered from the church local elder to lead kind of a thing Fighting against the issue of abortion in the public square with the gospel with the truth of God's Word.
So now we are in this private meeting. Yeah, this private meeting is scheduled with pastor Luke and I and a Bunch of other pastors and leaders from all over Ireland and even from the Republic and so we're in this private meeting.
I know for sure Luke and I did not fully grasp what God was doing in that moment, right? We truly didn't we didn't know what God was doing. But we are now connected to this Covenanter denomination and they are coming to us and they're saying What should we do and I didn't realize that in that meeting that meeting God used that meeting to challenge to rebuke.
They said rebuke. The the people the brothers and sisters there that kick them into action and you're wearing the shirt is perfect. I am. Yeah to actually start let them live and let them live is From the church right with the Word of God using the gospel.
The church's fight against the issue of abortion. It was legalized recently in Northern Ireland. Not by vote by force by force the whole brexit situation created some governmental issues that essentially forced the issue of abortion in the north.
Which is unconstitutional. Yeah unconstitutional from their perspective for sure. But we we didn't know that what God was doing in this private meeting with these leaders and pastors from all over Ireland.
Was God was creating the movement of the church against the issue of abortion, right? Not the typical pro-life lobby or pro-life industry approach. But the church's response with the gospel to the issue of abortion calling it murder.
Using the Word of God and demanding immediate justice. We didn't know that God was doing that. We were we were there to support them to encourage them to hold it back. We were challenging them as Christians and then God created this and so we just went back and I was hoping to God and praying That he would not allow Ireland to fall in this way to the slaughter of the innocent children of these innocent children and that we would never have to go Back to train them to do abortion mill ministry and all the rest, but unfortunately.
We did we just recently went back and now the context we did three conferences one in the north one in the Republic and one in Scotland and The conferences were built upon. Calling Christians to gather together to use the Word of God to actually go to where they're slaughtering children.
And to save their lives and preach the gospel and to demand immediate justice from their legislature and to do it as Christians. Not as neutral parties like the pro-life movement says we're not Christian.
We're you know, we're doing the scientific based word, you know, we're neutral. We're not using Jesus language and Bible language. We're not doing that. This this is Christians approaching the issue of abortion.
Now. Here's what I wanted you to be encouraged by. We didn't know. We didn't know and all of us that God was doing to set all these parts and pieces together and to get us in motion to do this. We didn't know how significant it was that we were going there to Encourage the church and to point the church to the truth and where the errors are in terms of how the pro-life Industry typically approaches this we didn't know and what we saw when we got to get back.
There's last time as we were equipping the churches there to save lives. We saw that God had created a movement now of Christian churches that now are all gathered together. Yeah, because of what he was doing through our ministry there with them.
So I wanted you all to hear that in Scotland right now, Northern Ireland and in the Republic. The church is mobilizing through local churches and pastors. To face the issue of abortion in the north in the Republic and in Scotland.
To do it with the gospel to demand immediate justice. And here's the thing you need to know. Of course, God didn't need us. He can do whatever he wants without us. He doesn't need me. I am the the worst choice if you ask me in terms of anything like this.
But but God through your work together with us your prayers and your giving. Created this so lives are gonna be saved in Ireland now. The gospel is gonna be preached against the issue of abortion because of the efforts over these past couple of years because of the Conferences because of the labor because of the private meetings and all the challenging and all the rest God has raised something up where the church is gonna save lives.
The church is gonna stand up on the Word of God and preach the gospel in this in this context and he did it. Through our effort together if you gave towards end abortion now if you've given anything. You need to know that that's happening in Ireland right now and in Scotland because of what you did and You may not want any credit for that and of course God gets all the glory for it.
But you have to know in terms of the means that God uses to create something he used his people to do it and end abortion now and Apology a church and your efforts and giving created that in God's providence and so praise God.
Yeah, and even along those lines we even now have been given an opportunity to.
Help.
Possibly affect legislation in Northern Ireland. We've been given copy of the bill that they're working on to try to fight against abortion force on them and You know, of course the the pro-life industry from the United States is already ahead of us in trying to affect this legislation in a very awful way and So we praying for that, but it's amazing.
We're we're having a hard time getting being able to influence legislation in states here in the US and now. Right away. We have an opportunity to possibly affect it in Northern Ireland.
Yeah, and it's it's so I came back from I came back we came back from. This this last trip out there this last mission out there and the thing that I just kept saying and I'll continue to say it. It was like what how was the trip?
It was very humbling and it was very sobering humbling to see God used people like us to be a part of this but also sobering because it because What I got to hear them talk about when they were like sharing with the other churches that were showing Christians are coming by The way not just Covenanters not just Presbyterians.
They were coming from other churches and saying this is the only Christian movement here in Ireland to fight against abortion. And that was a sobering thing. I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what?
What like yeah we can't find any other churches that are doing what you guys are saying needs to be done that are Addressing this in the way that you that it needs to be addressed and they're doing in the public square.
This is the central point and it was sobering because We didn't know. We just wanted to be faithful and to encourage our brothers and sisters and to try to save lives. We didn't know that this little private meeting we're having together.
Well, we're sitting together with other leaders and Christians in this little tiny room squeezed into John O 'Reilly's house. That God was gonna do something to create a movement of churches to save lives.
We didn't know so I'm gonna encourage you with this. Don't despise a day of small beginnings. Everything That you do for the glory of God to be faithful to him to be obedient to him every seed that you plant in that vein is Worth everything because God blesses that faithfulness and you don't see it like here's the thing I don't know how to be able to gonna be saved as a result of this.
I don't know what God's gonna do with this. God can do what he pleases. He does as he pleases, but here's the thing. Maybe nobody will ever really know the story maybe it just would never really be known that there was a church in the desert in Phoenix That went across the ocean and met in a private room with a bunch of Christians in Ireland this one day squeezed together packed together like sardines in a room and this conversation and this challenge and this even rebuke they said.
That blessed them created all of this like, you know saying like don't don't don't. Don't forget. To trust God in the midst of circumstances where you see this doesn't seem like it's a big deal. This doesn't seem very effective.
There's only a handful of people here. What can not God do with a handful of people? Well in our context, what can God do with a handful of people like a church like Apologia Church? Maybe create almost 500 churches now across the country saving lives.
Maybe it may be saving thousands of children from death as a result of the ministry that occurred just through this small group of believers right here. Maybe God can change the course of Irish history as a result of a small meeting that took place in a room in Ireland.
That's what God does. He changes the world through mustard seeds that become trees. Amen, and our good buddy Benji's on there right now.
Oh, is he hey, bro. Hey, brother, if you're on the live feed and I see people that are in Ireland Scotland asking questions.
You can contact Benji there as well. Yeah, Benji's back. It's our Benji is your man a faithful amazing brother in the Lord. That's for sure. And Benji was there and just just for fun just for for kicks and giggles.
Benji was there to pick us up to get us to our hotel. The it seems like it's just the thing like the flight from the east coast to Ireland. We always have to do this basically Ireland is like six or seven hours ahead of us in our time.
And so when we fly from Phoenix We all like fly to like New York or Philly or DC to go from there to Dublin. And what happens is is that flight usually leaves around like 6 or 8 p .m. Eastern Time, but we're already three hours behind now.
It's like 3 p .m. Our time or something like that. And so by the time we're landing it's like six hour flight by the time. We're landing from the east coast to Dublin. It's already like 8 a .m. Or 7 a .m.
But we haven't even really slept yet. Right. So the first day we are Out of our minds exhausted because we're trying to catch up with their time. So we just don't sleep. So we usually land in Dublin and then we just kind of just we try to check in our hotel.
And we just try to say stay awake. Stay awake. Stay awake. Stay awake. And so we just go and we walk around. We drink tons of coffee. We eat meals and we just try to push through till like what 5 or 5 30 that night.
Yeah, and Benji got to witness at this time, yeah, and it was hilarious for him. Yeah, I felt bad for him. Yeah, well, I probably enjoyed it. He probably lost a lot of respect for us. Yeah, that's what I was like when we went to that cafe.
We couldn't even make it like sleep at 2 in the afternoon Lucas falling asleep. I'm like wake up. Benji saw us at our absolute worst. We were like hallucinating no sleep and we were like cackling laughing over things that were clearly not funny.
Benji's just staring at us like that wasn't even funny guys. That's how you know, he's he's a good brother. Look as he didn't judge us. That's right. Yes. He hasn't gone to like the the online tech Christian tabloids and say I got some information for you guys.
You should see how these guys say he could have been recording video footage and like placing that online. Yeah, he could he could have been but we love we love Benji and Yeah, if you guys see him in there in the thread make sure you guys get in contact with him.
If you're in Northern Ireland the Republic or in Scotland, he'll hook you up. Let's have some more fun. I told you this this is called smile coronavirus special. If you guys are just getting with us go back when this is fully dropped and check out the conversation we had at the beginning.
We are gonna do a coronavirus special to go more in-depth about biblical laws of quarantine. The authoritative position of the church biblical wisdom loving neighbor. We're gonna do that next week with a guest.
I think Tuesday at noon is when we are scheduled to do it. That's a specific time a Pacific time, but let's have some more fun here guys. Let's create some some smiles here This is a Jim Gaffigan and on holiday traditions.
Big holiday tradition fruitcake. I Love our holiday traditions like the Christmas tree where we go out and we chop down a tree and we put it in our living room. Kind of sounds like the behavior of a drunk man, really.
Some woman wakes up, honey. Why is there a Tree in our living room. We're gonna we're gonna we're gonna decorate it for Jesus. And then I'm gonna hang my socks over the fireplace. So I'm with candy. Maybe I'll tie some leaves to the ceiling see if I can get some action.
He's.
He's he is a funny. He's a funny guy. I love you. Yeah. Yeah, and it's generally clean comedy, which is which is nice. You don't get assaulted with a lot of garbage. Yeah. Alright, let's end this with just a quick touch on Rhett and Link just for a minute.
So as we announced before Rhett and Link from Good Mythical Morning Earbiscuits and all the rest have announced that they have officially abandoned faith in Jesus Christ and that Is creating a lot of conversation and I'd like to actually spend time just really dissecting their conversion.
Experience conversion away from the faith to agnosticism and all the rest. I'd like to dissect all their arguments. Maybe we'll find time to do that or I'll just do it by myself and we'll just kick it out at some point.
So you guys can at least hear some explanations to their Critiques of Christianity those sorts of things. But for now, let's go ahead and do this. Let's uh, let's play. This is from are we scared of hell?
This is from Ear Biscuits. That's the channel Ear Biscuits. And the question is are we scared of hell? That's the title of the video. This was from that Episode. I thought this was this is one of the starting questions.
And by the way, is it Rhett or Link? I forget Rhett Rhett Link. I forget. I don't know. No, it's Rhett. Rhett's beard and beard and hair looks looks fantastic. But this is from the beginning of that episode.
It's about seven minutes in or so about eight minutes in and I think it's a good place to start this conversation. And here it goes.
You asked yourself What if I'm wrong? I? said that during My story. There was a point at which when I was a Christian and I hadn't experienced a bunch of doubts I said what if I'm wrong? Do you ask yourself that question now?
What if you're wrong now, that's the question because it seems like I mean our our belief on the inside. It was was like it was like a hedging your bets Occam's razor kind of what if okay, so let's address that.
This is really really critical. So first and foremost, I want to acknowledge I want to I want us all to acknowledge that these two men have not been able to shake their Christianity loose yet. They're still talking about truth as though that were something that we ought to pursue.
They're still they're still assuming a lot of things about the world. About the mind about their experience that only ultimately can be coherent can make sense in can only be valid with a Biblical perspective of the world.
So these men are the beneficiaries of God's truth in the biblical worldview the message of Jesus. Human beings as image bearers of God truth as absolute as necessary. We want to hold to as human beings as mattering at all.
They they are the beneficiaries are that they're raised in the context of the Christian community and worldview. It was around them. They weren't truly believers. John says they went out from us in order to show they were never really of us.
They were never really saved. They had a false profession of faith. Jesus talks about that you have seeds scattered across different kinds of grounds. You have some that doesn't make it into the soil.
You've got some that are picked up by the birds. You've got some that are choked out. You've got some that make it on good ground ground that was prepared ahead of time and it bears fruits 30, 60, 100 fold whatever the case may be.
So the point is is that we have to recognize as Christians that apostate Apostasy is a real thing. False believers false professions of faith is a real thing. We're not talking about people who are truly regenerate have experienced eternal life that have truly turned to Christ who were truly put into good Ground.
We're talking about people who never really were of us now. Even if you were a never really of us kind of person you still were around Christian community. And you still got to taste of all these good things.
You still got to have your mind shaped by the Christian worldview. And so Rhett and Link haven't been able to shake the Christianity loose, you know. Cuz the question he wants to answer is well guys. Well, what if you're wrong now you were wrong before what if you're wrong now and Rhett and Link are gonna try to respond to this.
They're really gonna try to answer this like hey, that does matter right? Like what if we're wrong now? No, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. When you abandon Jesus and the foundation of God's Word and like Jesus as the source and reference points.
You gave up any meaning to the question about being wrong being wrong. Does that matter? Does it does it matter for an agnostic? Right? Ah Gnosis without knowledge. I don't know we can't know. Does it matter to someone who says there is no ultimate knowledge?
We don't know. Does it matter? That I know whether I'm wrong. Does it does it is it does it isn't an accord with agnosticism that I ought to be look for? What's true and right that there are ought and there's a right standard of truth that I need to appeal to you.
Like why why does it matter now Rhett and Link you gave up the source of truth. Jesus says I am the way the truth and the life no man comes to the father. But by me and you say no to the source of all truth no to the foundation of all wisdom and all knowledge no to the creator of all things and You say now you still care whether you're wrong.
You gave it up gentlemen. You gave it up and I love Good Mythical Morning. I their old stuff was fantastic. I used to love to watch it. I enjoyed my family loved to watch it. We had a good time because it was good happy clean fun.
It wasn't obscene. It was great. I love these guys, but I just would want to say to them guys You gave it up. You already gave it up. You gave up not a wrong nest being Wrong. It doesn't matter. And so it's interesting because because if you let me play that again here what they say in response wrong like worst case.
You know, I'm Worst case on the outside. You're risking eternal punishment. Separation from God.
Right. I think you're talking about Pascal's wager. That's cows wait. No Occam's race. That's what I.
Can raise asking. I can raise. I can't even say it now. It's the simplest solution solution.
But Pascal's wager is essentially right like Blaise Pascal famous mathematician and thinker from a long time ago. Who is a Christian basically said? What do I have to lose by living a Christian life, you know, because I get to.
You have a lot to gain. You have a lot to gain.
By by going to the dark side.
Which I'm going to talk a little bit about hell in a second related to Pascal's wager and why I don't find it compelling.
So here's here's what I want to address in terms of them talking about Pascal's wager, by the way. There's a whole conversation we can have about Pascal's wager and the whole thing. This is often put out there like hey, you know.
Think about the consequences like if Jesus is who he says he is you put your faith in him. You have eternal life, but if you're wrong about that, you know, then you have maybe eternal death and separation from God.
Or like if you're wrong, you just go in the dirt anyway, so what's like the best choice like let's consider What's the best option and it's almost like a risk versus reward right kind of scenario? And it sounds to me like that's kind of where they were.
Like they were more on the kind of Pascal's wager like well, I'm just hedging my bets here. Like it's risk versus reward, baby I don't really know what I want to do in terms of like do I really believe this?
Is it actually true? The way Rhett and Link talk and by the way jump in anytime here Pastor Luke the way Rhett and Link talk and I said This to you at the beginning here. I was asking the question. What church did these guys go?
Like what what kind of Christian community were they a part of. Because they really sound like they were part of a Christian community that didn't allow for deep questions. Or you're fearful for asking them they almost paint a picture of the Christian community and Christian faith as.
Don't ask questions. Don't ask the hard questions and don't you know if you struggle with doubt you're gonna sort of suppress that sort of stuff and it's interesting because. It's the Christian worldview and the Christian faith in the Word of God that gives a grounding.
To be looking for ultimates and to really handle questions that are complicated questions that are challenges. Like for example, if you look at say, okay. Let's just take this experience in the book of Acts.
The book of Acts details for us the historical narrative of what took place when the Holy Spirit of God was poured out at Pentecost and the churches. Explodes over the Empire and you see the just the original disciples of Jesus.
These are the Apostles. These are the ones that knew Jesus they walked with the resurrected Savior. They know him. Well, you see them and their methodology is they're going into the public square, right?
And they're actually willing to have riots break out and all the rest and be punished and whipped and all those different things. For their faith in Jesus, but beyond that you also see this they're constantly in conflict with error and other worldviews.
Like these are the original these are the OG disciples of Jesus, right? And they're they're the ones that are going in and what happens you got Paul Acts 9 famous scene. He first converts to Jesus turns to Christ has faith in Jesus.
He immediately goes in Damascus and what's he do? He just goes hide and you know to sort of like keep his doubts to himself and all right.
No.
He goes where to the synagogue to reason with them to prove prove that Jesus is the Messiah and what's it do it creates? Some conflict they actually have people who want him dead for it, but the church actually explodes as a result of what?
Paul debating with people about Jesus proving that Jesus is in fact the Messiah that this is the this is the truth. This is the only way and then you have all the examples throughout the book of Acts where I'll give you another one Acts 17 17 yeah, where the Apostle Paul is at the Areopagus.
It is the place in history. It's the famous place of the Epicureans. You got the play. It's the place of Socrates. It's it's the place where everybody's this is philosophy central and you've got Paul there at Mars Hill at the Areopagus.
And what's he doing? He's arguing. He's reasoning. He's not reasoning from a place. He's not doing Pascal's wager. He's not he's not doing Pascal's wager. He's actually going deeper doing a more transcendental argument and saying this you guys already know the God that I'm talking about.
He's the very grounding of all of all of this. Look, you've even got these idols set up to him. Like in case you missed one to the unknown God because you already know the one I'm talking about and what Paul is doing there.
He's not doing a Pascal's wager scenario saying risk versus reward. What do you guys say? You just throw your lot in with us. Give it a shot he's actually arguing from a place of absolutes. God has raised him from the dead and you better repent in a hurry and That's our position of absolute truth.
But Rhett and Link don't have that anymore and I'd really want have to I have to say that I get it. I mean Apostasy is always stupid rejecting God's. We're rejecting God as creator and the knowledge of God is always dumb.
It's always foolish, but but on a practical level I get it. I get why these guys Apostatized because the the version of Christianity that they had in the first place. Wasn't Christianity. Wasn't the biblical expression of Christianity the version that they had experienced or at least adopted or lived in.
Wasn't ultimately the biblical gospel the biblical faith because I don't recognize any of this stuff and they talk about like not wrestling with their doubts and You know not and being afraid to bring it to their path.
Bring it afraid being afraid to bring it up in group settings and sort of having the private meeting with the pastor of being Afraid to even say it to him. I'm like Where where are you? Yeah, where are you at?
Because and it's not just apologia. But when you go to a solid biblical church. Your pastor is dealing with those hard issues from the pulpit where you're holding classes on it on engaging with the difficult subjects at apologia.
You've got elders who were involved in public debate in the public square. Our pastor. Dr. James White is what what's like 200? International public debates with the world's best critics you were finding the strongest critic against our faith in Every area and trying to engage them and making sure that people are equipped that they know their faith.
So this is a modern Evangelism, you know, these guys were a part of. I also feel like.
That's like the Go to response when you see someone especially someone that's has any sort of fame. When they you know, so I'm no longer Christian They almost immediately go. Well, it's because of the other Christians.
You know, they always blame was because my pastor was because you know Christians were mean to me or whatever. It's always the Christians fault that that's why they decided they were no longer a Christian.
Yeah, and.
So just know you're right. Yeah, they'd always. That is a part of it times the hypocrisy of other Christians. And what I want to say is you you have a problem with hypocrisy and they're like, yes I'm like, well, you've got a friend in Jesus because he did too and because you've abandoned him.
Your position is hypocrisy at this point. Plus, how do you?
How do you? Objectively.
Justify hypocrisy. Mm-hmm as a problem. Yeah. Yeah. How do you account for hypocrisy being? Hypocritical. How does how does hypocrisy matter now and an agnostic worldview? What what standard are you gonna use now to say hypocrisy is a no-no?
Is it is it just is it your preference? Like is it all a personally relative? Moral position or is it societal? Is it societal? Relativity like we determine as a society these particular rules here hypocrisy is not allowed in our society and if that's your standard then societal relativity works for the group over here that says we love hypocrisy and we're going with it because It's it's really really the what we're passionate about you really had no complaint against them.
So you can't do shows complaining about hypocrisy or things like that because it's societal Relativity like it's based upon them or if it's personally relative well, then it's then then it's only matters to you and if it's based off your emotion and it's based off of your Emotional energy of the moment or how you feel at that moment.
It doesn't matter at all, but it does matter if Jesus is who he says he is and being a fake and being a hypocrite is a sin because it's essentially Lying, it's not telling the truth and God cannot lie.
You see from a Christian perspective all law all Justice all Morality all aughts are ultimately reflections of God and his character. So it's not as though God is saying here's my law. Here are these things and you say well why God and he goes well because this reason.
Because then that reason becomes the ultimate standard. It's out there above God. God's appealing to it because it's above him from a Christian perspective Justice God is the God of justice all law all morality all of it finds itself in God's own character.
He's the center in the reference point. So it's a very important thing if we talk about even like the issue of hypocrisy people complain about. They'll leave the church or they'll say I'm not going to the church because there's hypocrites there you say.
That's why Jesus came to save sinners and Jesus also hates hypocrisy. So you've got a friend in Jesus, but the moment you say no to Jesus and now you abandon him. You can't complain about hypocrisy anymore because lying isn't a problem without Jesus.
Lying isn't an ultimate problem without the God of the Bible and someone says no atheists. They say lying is wrong. Yeah because they're made in the image of God and They can't help being what God made him to be this is the world the God made and that they live in and while the atheist says You shall not lie son.
He'll turn around and teach his son about evolution. It says you're the descendant of fish son, and you're the descendant of bacteria son, and there's no moral ought son. But don't you dare lie at certain point you think the little boy goes dad that makes no sense.
There's no moral aughts nothing ultimately matters all of us are cosmic accidents, and you're telling me I shouldn't lie to my sister or steal something for my brother at a certain point it all starts to break down.
Doesn't it it seems like a simple thing right the emotional appeal of like hypocrisy is bad hypocrisy is bad. And I'm sitting there like I'm sitting there looking over at the Bible going man. That is that is what that book says.
This is hypocrisy is bad and the person goes so I don't want to go to the church. And then you go wait wait wait wait. What's happening here, so at any point to start up a conversation. We are gonna do more on this.
I do want to sort of Unpack what Rhett and Link say because I think it's an important cultural conversation, and I'm sad because I love these guys. I really do. I love their show. I love I love I've had so much fun watching them over the years.
And so I do want to examine it, and I hope they get a chance to see it so stay with us guys. Next week we are gonna be back next week with a show. Specifically dedicated to answering some deeper questions on the coronavirus issue.
We want to answer the biblical laws regarding quarantine we want to answer sort of the Panic the fear the hysteria all that we want to do that next week. Noon on Tuesday is the plan. Lord willing.
That's if we're allowed out of our houses. We're allowed to get closer than six feet.
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