March 23, 2020 Show with Bill Shishko on “Coronavirus Through Christian Eyes”

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Wishing you all a happy Monday on this 23rd day of March 2020. And I am so thrilled to have back on the program. Somebody who has been one of the greatest sources of encouragement to me not only in my life in general.

But specifically in regard to iron sharpens iron radio. He has been a guest quite a number of times on this program. And I'm thrilled to these back today to address a very timely issue. His name is no stranger to The audience of this program.

His name is pastor Bill Shishko and he is the pastor at the Haven in Deer Park, Long Island, New York, which is a congregation of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church. Denomination and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio.

Pastor Bill Shishko. Yes, and we are going to be discussing coronavirus through Christian eyes. Obviously as I said a timely subject since many of us have been quarantined to our homes.

And.

Very rarely stray far from our homes perhaps not even strength outside of the four walls of our of our homes and. It is quite an interesting phenomenon. I have never experienced anything like this in my lifetime.

The Haven, the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, and a Reformed Background

But before we go into the subject of coronavirus through Christian eyes Why don't you tell our listeners about the Haven in Deer Park quite an unusual name, especially for an Orthodox Presbyterian?

Yes, as am I at the church where I am a member Grace Baptist Church of Carlisle, Pennsylvania and.

This. For those of our listeners who don't know anything about the Orthodox Presbyterian Church. Why don't you give them a little bit more detail?

And of course not only have you no connection.

With the Eastern Orthodox Church, you have no connection with mainline liberal Presbyterianism. Yeah, correct.

We are not we are not the person long.

Yes, and there is actually a newspaper I'm assuming it still exists called the the layman layman, which is edited and run by The evangelical minority in the PC USA, right? Correct. That's right. Well Well, by the way, I want to make sure our listeners we were we will repeat this god-willing later on.

But the website for the Haven is the Haven li .com. The Haven li .com and Li of course stands for a Long Island and I understand that you planted to this church in Deer Park, Long Island, New York because there was no.

Evangelical presence there as far as the church goes. You have a court of Babylon. There's certainly no reformed church in that area and we particularly children churches. But there's no evangelical witness.

They launch out into the community with the gospel and of course.

Those who are most familiar with pastor Bill Shishko Remember him most for being pastor of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church of Franklin Square, Long Island. For what. 35 years or 35 years?

35 years three months and I forget amen.

And of course those of you who listen frequently to this show will remember that Pastor Bill is one of my oldest Christian friends after Becoming a newly reborn Christian in the 1980s pastor Bill was one of the first pastors other than my own at Calvary Baptist Church in Amityville, which of course later merged with First Baptist Church of Merrick and is now Grace Reformed Baptist Church of Long Island in Merrick, but other than my own pastors you were perhaps the very first Bible-believing Christian pastor From a Reformed perspective that I had that I had met because you had been invited to preach at Calvary Baptist Church in Amityville and we met we hit it off and we have been friends ever since the night in late 1980s.

And Brothers in Christ. Amen. More important. Well the big picture of the corona virus. Through Christian eyes. The the big picture is what is God doing it through the corona virus and of course we could.

We could discuss that for months because we could never exhaust the many things because of course there are even many things that we're unaware of that God is doing. But if you could.

God’s Sovereignty, Providence, and a Christian Response to Fear

Start off with the big picture. Well, I'm not an economist. The church is storic. I've been getting ocean was then and then there's the it's really shouting to us. These these are times that are designed to make us word of God at all and yet we're called to be still and know that God is God and know that there are streams that come from heaven that are to make glad God's people.

So I think that would be the only begin though Chris with a thing how God works in this. On on to Atlanta for the son of a very dear pastor and. That was the time. I was so struck to myself if we were as fastidious About cleansing ourselves from sin as we are about generation of krill.

But for lust and in flee iniquity the gloves that putting on their gloves were told it's lust. And my favorite one. Washing our hand. What is that? What what I put said that that was number one. And I don't know what you can you know, you know me Chris.

I'll just keep going here.

Yeah, you could definitely keep going.

Everybody and this is we're called in the pure it not of fear and that can also be translated cowardice arms of live like that and then Peter he self-controlled and sober minded interestingly for the sake of your prayers above all keep love sobriety for Literally for sobriety and self-control mean to think Created not that we're a mind not media in.

We're riveted too and we've got to be so careful not to become Inebriated with fears as one person wrote is more viral than any virus. So or as he himself went all around my soul gives way He that is all my hope and stay so always.

Important. Chris, I'm not who four sides of a frame to look at the corona virus from Krabi. And I know the man is well-meaning. But at the beginning essentially he says hey, these things are natural.

This is part of the the evolutionary process of survival of the fittest and We just need to expect word in that number one reminds me of Rabbi Kushner. Yeah, very similar very similar end of all that and Isaiah 45 beginning at verse 1 here you have Cyrus who was a pagan King a Persian and in Israel's wondering what's going on with this and the Lord speaks in verse 7 and says I form light and Create dark create co-works out as well.

There is to see that that we're 3 and in verse 6 does disaster come to a city. Unless the Lord has done it Alternative is absolute chaos. Amen viruses, which are genetic materials surrounded by proteins.

God God is ordained that in a washing there is there is to some extent a mitigation of biblical God is there to Satisfy my needs to be a cosmic Santa Claus. He's showing us in all of this He's not going to be domesticated.

It reminds me of the off-quoted section and CS Lewis's the lion the witch in the wardrobe when the four children Realized that there's this lion that's on and that's safe. But he's God's absolute sovereignty and don't back off from all 40.

I don't like governor powers that be that are ordained of God or first of all our Authority are to see that those things are upheld. But we are in a wartime economy right now and all societies Recognized that temporarily for good old to wash our hands or no larger group be praying for our present.

Next is to be reminded of the goal of our neighbors as ourselves. Or in verse 8 were to be or to love others greater Love has no man than this Then that he lays down his life for his friend and that that is really meant to look outward.

By the way, I'd like to ask our listeners Please leave some rye bread behind also because the only thing I found hundreds of loaves of white bread.

But but no rye bread or if they have it they can send it to you the Postal Service. Work lawful attempts to preserve our own lives and the lives of our neighbors and here. We're working that out and the last the last of the four feel like I just love this one.

It's it's the it's the under without getting in God's haunting expression in one hour that we haven't we haven't become an establishment have been Experiencing increasing opposition. Look at this. We've become a nation of hope and that of the way this what now they've must how God has brought our Footloose and fancy free ways now.

We have so just one that that fascinates me. What a rebuke Aaron a man for any of this a culture that has said with respect to sexuality. So that you're a man of the idols that amen. In fact, we are going to our first break right now and.

I'll leave most of the listener questions to the end of the program. But I'll I'll have you comment or respond when we return from the first break. To a comment by a listener I usually only give the first name city and state of of Those who send in questions, but when it comes to ministers, I typically give the full name in the name of the church and so on.

We have Joel solid a minister of the Lewiston Church of Christ in Lewiston, Idaho. And he says I expect that a year from now. We will be told that most of what we thought we knew about the corona virus was not accurate.

Science is far more unsettled than many presume but Uncertainty is a part of the human condition and I take that seriously. I think it is just as dangerous to refuse to take our uncertainty seriously Than to refuse to take the virus seriously.

This is why Christians run on faith rather than fear faith and hope our qualities. We cannot hold amid absolute certainty. But we can hold them up against the fear that comes with uncertainty. And we'll have you respond to that I'll even repeat it when we've come back from the break if anybody else Anybody else wants to join us on the air and keep in mind we're going to be holding off till the last Half hour or 45 minutes or so to start answering your questions.

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Historical Patterns of Christian Witness During Plagues

We are now back with Pastor Bill Shishko of the Haven a congregation of the Orthodox Presbyterian Church Denomination in Deer Park, Long Island, New York. We are discussing coronavirus through Christian eyes.

Our email address is ChrisArnzen at gmail .com. ChrisArnzen at gmail .com. And we had as I said earlier Joel Soliday minister of the Lewiston Church of Christ in Lewiston, Idaho who says I expected a year from now we will be told that most of what we Thought we knew about the coronavirus was not accurate.

Science is far more unsettled than many presume. But uncertainty is a part of the human condition and I take that seriously. I think it is just as dangerous to refuse to take our uncertainty seriously than to refuse to take the virus seriously.

This is why Christians run by faith rather than fear. Faith and hope our quality is we cannot hold amid absolute certainty. But we can hold them up against the fear that comes with uncertainty. Now, I'm sure you would agree and I have a feeling I don't know this for a fact.

But I have a feeling Joel Soliday would agree that there are things though that we as Christians Believe with absolute certainty such as the gospel the inerrancy of Scripture, you know.

I agree. I think for us to keep in mind we still.

Well, let's move on to how the Christian Church has responded to these types of calamities Pandemics etc over the centuries.

Yeah, that's a great question Chris and I'm encouraged that he has done and way before his pandemics Documented even more a sentence called a suggested. It was Xander wrote most of our brother Christ every need and Ministering to them in Christ and with them departed this life Serenely happy where they were infected by other their neighbors curing others transferred their death and even in the fourth century.

Interesting that in the fourth century like more plagues and what was interesting at least according to Rodney Stark and the death rates The death rate of sure of cities that didn't have to stick in the 15 about Martin Luther aren't familiar with this.

The outbreak of and then later, of course Martin Luther the great reformer in the 18 cholera. Come again next summer. It takes me. That's a powerful so but it's true. We love it all up in this song to encourage your listeners.

She'll love that spelled Jesus Christ help out others and Invariably, let's pray that this be the case here, too. The church grew to Christ because they saw the gospel lived out. I'm a great family in the loveliness of court humanly speaking.

Amen. And by the way, I have a little announcement for.

Charlie Liebert the founder of six-day creation calm who is a former colleague of Ken Ham. Actually. He wrote in a question that I think you just stole his thunder. But he's he asked has a pandemic ever brought about a revival.

And so you did hint at that just by Discussing the fact that many people have come to Christ by witnessing the way Christians have responded to these kinds of tragedies.

Yeah, I'd like to climb the last segment. I would like to see scriptures people. Question. That's fine. And we have to go to our midway break right now and keep in mind folks.

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