June 24, 2022 Show with Tom Buck on “An Assessment of the 2022 SBC Annual Meeting: Are There Any Signs of Hope for the World’s Largest Baptist Denomination?”

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Roe v. Wade Overturned and the Southern Baptist Convention

Good Afternoon, Cumberland County, Pennsylvania. Lake City, Florida and the rest of humanity. Living on this planet earth. We're listening via live streaming and iron sharpens iron radio .com. This is Chris Arnzen your host of iron sharpens iron radio wishing you all a happy Friday on this very historic day on June 24th in 2022 when we have witnessed the overturning of Roe vs. Wade.

Today we have on the program a returning guest that I'm delighted to interview one of the most gracious Brothers that I have ever met Tom Buck who is senior pastor of First Baptist Church Lindale, Texas and a board member of g3 ministries.

Today. We are going to be addressing an assessment of the 2022 Southern Baptist Convention annual meeting are there any signs of hope for the world's largest Baptist denomination and we're also going to see how the overturning of Roe v. Wade fits in with our discussion today.

But it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio. Tom Buck my pleasure brother.

For the sake of our listeners who have Not yet heard you on this program or may be unfamiliar with you. Tell our listeners about First Baptist Church of Lindale, Texas.

Lindale, I've been here for 16 years and Here in our community and people out to make disciples throughout the world.

Amen, if anybody wants more details on this fine church in Lindale, Texas go to FBC for First Baptist Church Lindale which is spelled L-i-n-d-a-l-e dot-com FBC Lindale dot-com. Well You and I are both rejoicing along with every other true Christian.

Globally.

That Roe v. Wade Has been overturned. I'm sure that our brothers and sisters even outside of the 50 states of the United States of America are also Thrilled to hear this news. And If you could tell us exactly What was going through your mind today and especially in regard to the Southern Baptist Convention?

Static to hear the many years and if and when they did may. Outlawed from the point of conception. So we live in a state in 30 days. Any doctor who performs of needs to be equal protection for the unborn and in the Southern Baptist Convention.

What people's truth who have been if it's God's Word. Well, I obviously share your joy and enthusiasm.

Now I Guess we'll eventually get to specifically. How you are troubled. Why you are troubled? About an element a very significant Element in the Southern Baptist Convention. That would actually have mixed feelings about what occurred today, but Let's start off with exactly what occurred at the recent that the recent 2022 Southern Baptist Convention annual meeting.

Some of the things that It was designed to accomplish. I know that You and I both were saddened that our mutual friend Tom Askew was not elected president there. But if you could continue what were the main reasons that meeting took place and Tell us your analysis of it.

And of course the the subtitle of today's Program is are there any signs of hope for the world's largest Baptist denomination? But.

The 2022 SBC Annual Meeting, Credentials, and Church Discipline

Continue about the primary reasons this meeting took place. That gather Love for there to be more as any trip and that seems to be how Bart would say that that we're that we know of anybody that would recommendation from the operation with the convention and whether that we can continue to fellowship with them or Disfellowship them and so last year at in 2021.

It was presented at the convention committee to Remove Saddleback Church. Rick Warren is the pastor there. And they had just recently back in May of 2021 ordained three women as past. We were waiting for the credentials committee to come back in 2022 at this convention to tell us what their findings and recommendations were and there was some.

Mistreatment. Against you and your precious wife who I've had the pleasure to meet on several occasions when we have bumped into each other providentially at various Bible conferences Around the country.

Can you tell us about the whole situation involving that?

Yet the pretty was waiting for the sex abuse task force report to come out. Last year they had appointed and that was running at the time that he actually had someone serving in his church that had a predatory past and When I went and confronted him with that to let him know that because he told me he had no knowledge of that It ended up leading being political for what I did.

Wow, and that is quite remarkable when considering that the Southern Baptist Convention Seems to lean towards avoiding avoiding any appearance of Misogyny about lack of concern for women and that kind of thing.

Why on earth did they take that approach. He discovered a reading or help what they had released. It had never been public that we'd given a copy of it. And when and even though they didn't help them to ask about that.

They shut her down and would not even let her talk.

Wow amazing stuff. Now obviously a lot of concern Has been on the rise over the Southern Baptist Convention Including issues involving its greatest seminary the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky.

Where there has been? Anywhere ranging from a softness on the woke movement Critical race theory the social justice movement and so on all the way from a softness on it to an outright militant Declaring and defending of those things.

What if anything was resolved at this meeting in regards to those issues.

Even addressed about those issues that we try to address with critical race here now will say that I and or the resolution. So it there is no doubt and promoted by name. The even the provost pushing that it's others.

He has now left.

So well, it's good news that for some reason I have not heard the good news that you just said That the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and specifically its president Al Mohler is taking a stronger stance against critical race theory and All those things that come under the umbrella of the social justice warrior movement because from what I understand The faculty there including dr. Mohler Did not sign the statement on social justice in the gospel that your colleague Josh Bice and you and others were involved in drafting.

That's correct and you know, there are those that would do regarding my in his heart upon I certainly I think he should or if he feels but He does speak my opinion regarding anti woke ideology. No, what is it?

What are the circumstances that you believe?

Have provoked a stronger stance against critical race theory and And has caused dr. Mohler to be more in line in alignment with you and and Josh Bice and others against this.

Heretical movement in the church. Yeah again. It's kind of hard impossible to rebuild person's heart is hard. I know that when resolution not he had an opportunity to do that. He didn't he didn't but I think he missed in poor.

He could I think if he had spoken up it would have and I wished he had. So, I don't know if what's happened is that. Maybe he he did not think it was as big of an issue as we were claiming. It was he has shifted.

Abortion, Abolitionism, and the Criminalization of Abortion

Well, let's I.

Hate to use Jen Psaki's phrase, but let's circle back To the significance of the overturning of Roe v. Wade and get your assessment on the Southern Baptist Convention's views of abortion. Would there be a dominance of?

Total abolition. Are there those that have serious reservations because they want a number of qualifications to be inserted that would prevent the so-called right of a woman to Murder her unborn child to to.

You know, they want to make sure that there are Legal means by which there are some reasons why that would be acceptable, etc. So if you could explain especially for those of us who I've never been a Southern Baptist and only For the most part my closest friends.

Who are Southern Baptists or people more in alignment with you? So tell me about the Landscape as it were of the Southern Baptist Convention on this issue and and what came up at this meeting in regard to that.

I have to go back again to came forward for the abolition. It's quite a heated debate. In fact one of that because the it it denounced the resolution denounced all I think again. So but with denounced all forms of incremental ism.

So this debate about is there you if you in in the law not protecting them at conception? So that began a debate in the Southern Baptist Convention regarding that there were those like myself who? Rejoice anytime that any life is saved.

Even if an incremental happy unless and don't believe that true justice has been done. Unless they're of abortion. So I didn't realize how we my opinion some of the speak water under the bridge 22 because.

Now we're at the point that we know that new OB Wade may very well be overturned. You would expect the ethics and religion of the Southern Baptist Convention To Roe v. Wade and to fight for equal protection for the unborn but instead we're getting these very weak such as the RLC.

Brent Leatherwood got up at the convention and said you will never get me to say that a mother should be Put in prison for an abortion. Well. That's unbelievable that they don't want a whole not saying there's not other circumstances just like in our current laws regarding homicide.

There are there could be different levels of culpability. Based upon what but if a woman be willingly does that why would she not? Committed but yet the RLC said they will not that there's no Circumstance in which they would ever say just a dominant denomination the ethical art is unwilling to make such a chicken.

That's astounding is unemployed today who used to be on who is a professor at Southeastern Seminary I have a theological seminary used to be with the RLC said today that we need to make abortion unimaginable.

The reality is he says thou shalt make. No, it's and there are consequences. The one who sheds blood is is. Their blood is to be shed. Themselves or should they should put the judgment should be upon them including I would say the death penalty for anyone.

There's another person and then they go on to explain that what they mean by that. Is that we need to be providing for we can for maybe even thinking about terminating their child. Of course, we want to help them see that.

That we can provide means for them to not make that choice not whether we provide those. Where we provide money for them or support for them or friends for them or whatever? It may be that it never ever makes murder necessary and we're not culpable on any I'm never culpable for another person who commits murder because I did not give them a certain level of help that may be the Choice to be given.

Now, I don't know if you've ever heard You know all the different reasons by those that oppose The Prosecution of women who murder their children in abortion. The the issues or the arguments might range anywhere from They think it's a bad Bad strategy in the ultimate ending of all abortion because they are fearful that America is far too feminized to accept that kind of Inclusion in anti-abortion laws the the the actual criminalizing of it.

Or Are they Even worse just saying it because they are somehow trying to defend a Woman in her choice in doing that and her culpability in that even though they disagree With that choice. I mean, I'm not sure What would be the weight of the argument there to be opposed to the absolute?

Criminalizing of this. Well, the church is supposed to be a prophetic voice Amen, so where God's truth to call upon people to repent if they think listen, amen. What other voice is there? In this world that's going to speak this truth to the world if it's not the church.

If the church is trying to act through political strategies Instead of a prophetic voice to a lost and and dying culture. Right, we're in bad shape that woman needs to know she's murdering her child and There's no hope of the gospel if they don't understand the gravity of their sin.

Amen, and I was pleasantly surprised to hear from my friend Jeff Durbin Who is one of the most actively involved? pastors I know in the fight to abolish abortion in this country right in the front lines.

Jeff not long ago informed me the good news that Abby Johnson the former Planned Parenthood worker. She was actually a clinical or clinic director of Planned Parenthood and resigned back in 2009 After witnessing an abortion on ultrasound.

She In her journey into the pro-life movement Initially was against criminalization, but Jeff told me that she is now in favor of it, which I'm very ecstatic to hear.

Oh me too. I had not heard that praise the Lord. But you if if it's injustice if though, otherwise, it's not true justice. It's not simply justice to stop abortion or to make it illegal. It's only just if those who could who commit abortion as.

Amen, and we have to go to our first break right now. If anybody has a question. For my guest today Tom Buck. Our email address is Chris arms and at gmail .com. See HR is a RN z en at gmail .com. Please.

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To help steer it in the right direction. I too felt this way having been a Southern Baptist entrenched in the battle between conservativism and liberalism in Texas. At what point though do we realize the house is not merely on fire, but has burned down.

Why remain in the convention when there are more biblically structured groups such as the mission the Baptist Missionary? Association of America or ARPA. I myself have found a home with the.

BMA of America. I love the BMA. So there and not be a part of the Southern Baptist Convention. I think that each church has continued to speak out to in 2018. I feared with materialism that in 2018 and scorned for saying that.

But no doubt everything I was saying was has come true. To where that we have in this last convention study to determine What is a pastor because they did not have the intestinal fortitude? To step up and say that Rick Warren's church should be disfellowshipped because they have women pastors that have been ordained.

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Let's see, what would be a bridge too far for you? Where's the line in the sand for a Southern Baptist Convention exit for Tom Buck and obviously? That's really what Jordan? Jordan from Jacksonville, Texas just asked.

But Tim is being more blunt and precise into the point. And maybe I'll even throw in something of my own. When is remaining a Southern Baptist a violation of 2nd Corinthians 6 14?

Do not be yoked together with unbelievers as you said kind of goes to this one thing I would say you know any good Baptist is not when you ask Where's the vision or none at all that we would have to set up the southern?

We would have have with the Southern Baptist Convention now. That being said I'm not trying to bait the question. But I do want to be careful as well because I need to have confidence that I'm going to let the congregation.

It's too far for me are some of the very things that we're seeing right now that if the convention continues to go in. This soft to taking a soft position on abortion. That's a bridge too far. I think it's already probably there.

I think their inability to stand firm as a again Women I don't roll or the already there that bridge right now. You know if it was might be a different second white. You don't have and deny the virgin.

I think there are some well.

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