October 26, 2020 Show with Roger Wagner on “Getting to Know the Late Dr. Greg L. Bahnsen” (Day 1 of a 5-Day Tribute to Dr. Greg L. Bahnsen)

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And I'm so thrilled that the entire week from today through Friday we are going to be paying

tribute every single day to the late Dr. Greg L. Bonson, born

1948 and went home to glory in 1995, the same year that my own

mother went home to be with Christ for eternity.

And I am just thrilled that my friend, my longtime very dear

friend, Pastor Bill Shishko of The Haven, currently meeting in Bohemia, Long

Island, New York, set this entire week of interviews up for

me and I am looking forward to it with great anticipation.

Today to start off this week of programs in tribute of Dr. Greg L. Bonson,

we have a close friend of his, Roger Wagner, who is pastor of Bayview

Orthodox Presbyterian Church of Chula Vista, California, and we're going to be addressing

specifically the theme, Getting to Know the Late Dr. Greg L. Bonson.

It's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio,

Pastor Roger Wagner.

And tell our listeners about Bayview Orthodox Presbyterian Church of Chula Vista, California.

We are California of the OPC.

Congregation started in the mid -50s.

And tell us a little bit about the Orthodox Presbyterian Church in general.

I'm sure that most of our listeners, especially this week, are very familiar with the OPC, but we

do have people who tune in for the first time, discover the show, and sometimes they

are new Christians, sometimes they are not Reformed, sometimes they're not Christians at all.

Sometimes they are Muslims or atheists or members of other

denominational groups like Roman Catholics and so on.

But tell our listeners about the Orthodox Presbyterian denomination.

Okay.

It began in the 19th century as a

fundamentalist model,

becoming entrenched in the denominational committees, particularly

heated

up, and

eventually

led over

the name.

And I

believe that

website is opc .org,

is it not?

I believe so, yes.

And if anybody wants further information specifically on Bayview Baptist...

I'm sorry, Bayview Baptist.

There's a Bayview Baptist on Long Island, and when I saw Bayview, it just popped into my head.

Bayview Orthodox...

We have a Bayview Baptist down the street from us, too, yes.

Bayview Orthodox Presbyterian Church's website is bayviewopc .org,

bayviewopc .org, if you want to find out more about this fine congregation in Chula Vista,

California.

Well, you are a first -time guest here on the program, and we have a tradition that we have first

-time guests give a summary of their Christian testimony that would include what kind of

religion, if any, they were raised in, and what kind of providential circumstances our

Sovereign Lord raised up in your life that drew you to Himself and saved you.

And I understand that there's a wide variety of stories.

There's one gospel, of course, but there's a wide variety of stories on how our Lord

used that gospel to draw His elect to Himself and save them.

Sometimes those of us who have been privileged

to have been raised in Bible -believing homes come to faith

very early on as young children and don't even remember a time when

they first began to love Jesus and follow Him.

As far as they can remember, always did.

And then those of us who were not raised in a Bible

-believing home...

I was raised Roman Catholic myself.

Very godly parents, but not raised in the Word, and was a lost

rebel who came to faith in my 20s.

And it was more of a sharp, stark contrast of

night and day for me and I'm sure many in our listening audience.

So tell us about your story.

Eventually,

seven miles away, and that's

where I

met

Greg

Bonson.

And from

there

on out...

Well, let's start off after that very interesting testimony of salvation.

Let's start off now by hearing, in summary, who was Dr.

Greg L. Bonson?

Yes.

Behind an even larger legacy of recorded material,

audio

material,

he

was sanctified and...

And he is probably most well known as being an apologist.

Some might even call him the father of modern Christian apologetics, with Cornelius

Van Til, perhaps, being the grandfather.

But he is a highly regarded intellect and

scholar and theologian and apologist, uh, not only

by those who would adhere very strictly and closely to

one stream of Reformed theology known as Christian Reconstruction and

Theonomy, which are things that are clearly a

strong part of Dr. Bonson's life, but many outside of those streams of

thought have grown to cherish and owe a great deal

to Dr. Bonson, because of the brilliant mind that God gave him and

his ability to teach disciples how to defend

the faith.

You want to pick up from there, as far as anything I just said?

Yes, yes.

Well,

yeah, I

thought famous.

He

cut

the

feet

of

King

Seventy, a

frame

he

often

makes that

they have.

Well, let's hear now about your first memory of meeting

Greg L. Bonson.

This theme today, as I've already mentioned, is getting to know the late Dr. Greg L. Bonson, and since you

were a personal friend of his and probably knew him personally

better than any of the other guests that we are going to feature this week, we want to hear from your point of

view, your unique point of view, some things about him that perhaps

the other guests that will follow you don't even know about.

But tell us about that very first meeting that you can remember, anyway.

Sure, sure.

Evangelical

Santa Barbara,

late in our

freshman

year.

But he, in that first year, he wrote some letters to the

over the name, Dalem's Ass.

And they caused quite a stir.

That's the alias he used?

Yeah, that was the...

And what was interesting, the administration of the college, as they

were... things

were changing in the 60s, and the thought was...

Library to work on their schoolwork.

And Greg was basically arguing, based on the Fourth Commandment and its application, that

that shouldn't be done, that the Sabbath or the Lord's Day,

the morning and evening, but the rest...

Entertainment or your own use.

And this guy must be from another planet.

That's to make his case.

Eventually,

the

argument...

Friend, Dennis Johnster,

Seminary

in California.

Yeah, I had the privilege of interviewing Dennis.

In fact, I'm going to give a shout out to a friend of mine who may be listening.

Although Steve and I have some very strong theological differences,

especially today, my friend Steve Schlissel gave me the

great honor and privilege, back in the early 1990s, when I was

visiting his church, because I knew Greg Bonson was preaching there that Sunday, Messiah's

Congregation in Brooklyn.

He gave me the privilege of, after the morning service was over,

going into his study with Greg to interview him.

Steve said to me, I know one day you are going to be a Christian Talk radio host.

This is before I even had this program.

And he said, I want you to interview Greg Bonson and record it.

And I was awestruck by that opportunity.

And every time I tell this story, I have a

guttural reaction of excruciating pain, because I lost the

tape.

Oh, no.

But I remember enjoying interviewing him, nonetheless.

And who knows, maybe one day it will turn up.

Somebody will find it and mail it to me somehow.

But I also remember being awestruck by his sermon on the

Ascension.

It's not often I had heard, before then or after, to tell you the truth,

a sermon on the Ascension.

And that was Dr. Bonson's message on the importance of the Ascension of Christ.

And it's a vivid memory and a cherished memory that I will never forget.

And thanks again to my friend, Steve Schlissel.

But I'm sorry I cut you off there.

Dennis, real majors, he

minored in Bible.

And then Dennis introduced me to Greg.

So by the end of that freshman year, at least, if memory is serving,

having a non

-denominational evangelical.

So Greg was

into the ministry.

So as

we did, I don't want to dig

into

too

much detail.

Maybe people can ask.

I never

did

actually

accept the

invitation

of the

Influence Weekend.

We met Dr. Van Til and some of the other faculty members.

Now tell

us something

about

his

personality.

In fact, I'm going to go to my first break before I have you do that.

But I'd love to know about his sense of humor.

I'd like to know about some of the things that people who are devouring his writings

and listening to recordings of the late Dr. Bonson might be completely unfamiliar

with.

And when we come back, we could start off with a sense of humor and any kind of anecdote you care to share.

But if anybody would like to join us on the air with a question of your own, our email address is chrisarnson at

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If you just tuned us in, our guest today for the full two hours is Roger Wagner, pastor of

Bayview Orthodox Presbyterian Church of Chula Vista, California, and we are discussing

day number one of a five -day tribute to Greg L. Bonson,

and the theme specifically is getting to know the late Dr. Greg L. Bonson, because our guest Roger Wagner was a

close personal friend of Dr. Bonson.

And if you could pick up where we left off, I was just about to ask you, or in fact

I did ask you, what his sense of humor was like and other things personal to him that

you can share with our audience that other folks who love

and follow the teachings of Dr. Bonson might be completely ignorant of.

He did that because on his part, you

know, I think

if I was anywhere on the planet and I was in trouble, if I could get word to

Greg that I needed his help, he would find a way

to

get

to

me in

the

summer

of

1983, and he was upset with me.

It was the

same president.

Maybe the

Dodgers

will go up.

Being a little bent, he went

ahead and moved into the Southern California area

without

trying to practice that kind of

thing.

Did you give me the business?

Some of our, a lot of our younger listeners won't even know what a typewriter is, I'm sure.

Yeah, right, right.

Well, it gets worse here when you hear this

sentence with each other.

I now operate on a cape.

Does anybody remember what that is?

If Meredith Klein thought my typewriter, find

out now I have the writer's equivalent of the atomic bomb.

Actually, you got to finish that sentence because I laughed over it.

What did you say the second part of, right after the atomic bomb?

That was it.

The atomic are kind of legendary now.

At least

remember when Dennis, I think was our senior year, we would try to get together on

Thursday night after we got all our homework done and prep done.

We would go to a coffee shop down in Santa Barbara and hang out for a couple of hours,

just

teas and

teas.

And

of

course,

kind of from

what

you

know, before Dr. Bonson

discovered, embraced, and.

Became a champion of Reformed theology, what was his own background

before reaching that.

Point?

Yeah, he attended like so many

48 ecclesiology and both of

the

ministry and,

you

know,

he

was always a good student, more than was expected.

And so within a church setting, he was just voracious, whatever the pastor

teach him or,

you know,

Greg just Reformed.

But Schaefer was

beginning

to be a name.

R .C. Sproul begins his Ligonier ministries and that.

So to

find

their

way

eventually

into transcription

of giving people.

I did.

Now we're pretty

much in a

position where

we can fundraising

for the project and support the project and

economic works.

I want to

give the website for the Bonson Project, and

I'll be repeating this throughout.

The week.

In fact, tomorrow we have the founder of the Bonson Project as one of our two guests.

Tomorrow we have Graham Dugas, and I hope I'm not

mispronouncing his last name, but the Bonson Project website is bonsonproject

.com and Bonson is spelt B -A -H -S, I'm sorry, B -A -H -N

-S -E -N project .com, B -A -H -N -S -E -N

project .com.

By the way, am I pronouncing Graham's last name correctly, Dugas?

R .C.

I don't. R .S.

Duga?

Duga.

R .S.

Duga.

R .C.

Okay, great.

We're going to make the investment.

We have to go to our midway, you can pick up where we left off, but we have to go to our midway break right now.

Okay.

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our guest today is Roger Wagner, this is day number one of our five -day tribute

to the late Dr. Greg L. Bonson, and Roger Wagner is a close personal

friend of the late Dr. Greg L. Bonson and he's also the pastor of Bayview

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And Pastor Wagner, we do have a question from John in Bangor, Maine.

Are you with us still Pastor Wagner?

Oh, I'm sorry, I had you on mute.

I know that our audience probably wishes I was on mute a lot more frequently.

John in Bangor, Maine asks the question, one thing that has disturbed me about

my fellow Reformed brethren is that all too many of us have

become very soft on Roman Catholicism.

They even go as far as maintain ecumenical relationships with Roman Catholics.

Now I am not saying that I believe all Roman Catholics are damned or that they are not

Christian.

I do believe that there is a remnant amongst the Roman Catholics that do believe in

the true gospel in spite of the fact that the dogmatic gospel of Rome is a false gospel as

defined at the Council of Trent.

But I think that there is a haphazard, a reckless, and a heretical

embracing of Roman Catholics.

And that is not only, of course, being done by professedly Reformed Christians, but throughout

modern evangelicalism.

What was Dr. Bonson's opinion about this?

His

tendency,

teaching offers

that

anyone

who

needs

to

get

there...

Well, John in Bangor, Maine, guess what?

Because of the generosity of our friend Gary DeMar, President of

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And this is a book published by American Vision that is a compilation of

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We have been given one copy to give away per day this week.

And you are our first questioner, so you are the blessed one to receive this free copy.

And we thank Gary DeMar of American Vision.

And that website, just to give my friend Gary a plug, is AmericanVision .org,

AmericanVision .org.

Let's see here.

We have B .B. in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania.

And B .B. asks, I know that there are those within a theological camp

known as Auburn Avenue Theology or the Federal Vision who maintain that

Greg L. Bonson is their hero of the faith as well.

Do you think if Dr. Bonson was still with us that he would have a favorable view of the Federal

Vision?

If he

was still

with us,

there's that

and

the other

thing.

There's what he might think about particular emphases

that

might

be

more

denounced.

In fact, from my own personal experience, the movement is not monolithic.

So you have people, just like theonomy and Christian reconstruction is not,

are not.

So you're right.

That is a harder question to answer.

But I think a lot of it depends on whether this person who claims to be an

adherent to Federal Vision clearly opposes the gospel

of the Reformation justification by faith alone.

And I have heard some that seem to clearly be at odds with that

great Reformational truth, which obviously is infinitely more importantly, a biblical truth.

But then I've met and know those that claim to be a part of that camp of Federal

Vision, who adamantly deny that that is a tenant of their beliefs.

In other words, that they agree with the Reformers and the Bible that we are justified

by faith alone.

So I know that Dr. Bonson affirmed that

really vital, pivotal doctrine of justification by faith alone.

And I remember hearing him debating, during a radio debate,

Jerry Matitix, a Roman Catholic apologist, and he was very clear of his

opposition to the unique dogmas of Rome that

set them, sets them apart from the Protestant Reformation.

Regarding service

level,

that's

what

stand that

say justification.

By faith alone, you could get 10 different theologians.

That would,

in the internet age, there's too many condemnations of too many generalities.

And, and certainly the

internet isn't after lectures.

Yes.

So obviously there are people who claim to champion justification by faith alone,

who are seriously heretical because they deny that fruit,

good works are, are needed as evidence of genuine faith.

And they would deny in the necessity, they would deny the necessity of repentance.

So obviously not everybody who claims justification by faith

alone as a part of their cardinal doctrines would really understand it in a

biblical way or a reformational way.

Bibi, guess what?

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Til's Apologetics, and that is compliments of P &R Publishing.

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We're also only giving one a day away and you are one of

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And by the way,.

I don't know if I said this to the previous listener, John and Bangor Maine, but

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Before like the time gets away from us, before we even realize it, I want to make sure that you include in this discussion

some things about Dr. Bonson that I might not even think to ask because I did not

know him personally other than meeting him that one time and interviewing him in the early 1990s.

I did not know him as a friend or as a very close personal acquaintance.

So if you could tell us some things about him that you want to make sure our audience knows.

Classical, so -called classical apologetic approach.

And sometimes that bled about his own personality,

paired him

to

a

gunfighters

and

you're

not

persuaded

and that

is any number of things.

Seasoned

Greg and

of course,

then you've got people who are putting you on a pedestal.

Introduced Greg.

Greg

would

hate

obedience

by

the

death

of

the

Greg in that last week before he died.

For nearly a week, first of all in

college.

Yes, you used the phrase the old Greg Bonson, but Greg never lived to be old.

He was, I believe, even younger than I am right now when he went home to be with the Lord.

He was in his fifties.

Am I not right?

47.

47.

Wow.

Younger than I thought.

In fact, he was over a decade younger than me, which is

I'm always embarrassed when I hear a note about men who were

so extremely brilliant and who have accomplished so much for the kingdom that are younger than me.

It's always a rebuke to me in some way.

I'll be 59 in February.

But can you tell us some of the details how and why Dr. Bonson

did depart this earth and enter glory?

How did he pass?

November

of

1995,

he

was, that

surgery was on a Monday, if I

remember properly with him

and everything looked

good.

The line

room with him and they were chatting on

life support,

praying with the family through that week and

finally

shutting down.

And by the way, I met no disrespect, obviously to the late Dr. Bonson by

referring to him as someone who many revere as being the father

of modern Christian apologetics, because that is just how he is viewed by many, especially

those who are in the field of apologetics.

I didn't mean to insinuate that Dr. Bonson himself viewed himself that way.

No, and I know you did.

We could all call it.

Yes, and in fact, John Calvin himself had the same view of himself as

a very humble view and did not want to be exalted in his memory

and would have recoiled with horror to hear the term Calvinism.

I'm assuming being used, although I believe it's a very handy and useful

historic nickname because there's so many different theological views in existence.

But I know Calvin would not approve.

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Welcome back.

This is Chris Arnzen and our guest today has been and will continue to be for the

next eight minutes or so, uh, Roger Wagner.

And Roger Wagner was a close personal friend of the late Dr. Greg L. Bonson

to whom we are paying tribute this entire week.

And we hope that you continue listening to this program every day this week as the tribute

to Dr. Bonson continues.

And we do have an anonymous listener, uh, Pastor Wagner, anonymous listener who says

my life has been filled with great deep and sorrowful trials as well,

including having at one time an unfaithful spouse and witnessing close loved ones

in my family perish and battling with serious illness.

What was unique about Dr. Bonson's theological views that would make him

more victorious in his spirit and life and outlook

when facing the trials that he himself faced?

Again, this sounds strange.

He kind of gave me carte blanche.

Praise God.

And by the way, folks, I would be amiss if I did not let you know about

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Why don't you remind our listeners, Pastor Wagner, about the Bonson Project before we go off

the air today?

Yes, academics

and

high

quality.

I'm looking at bonsonproject .com.

Is it both of them?

Bonsonproject .com.

That's B -A -H -N -S -E -N project .com.

And they need funds to help them accomplish what they are setting out to do.

Right. We understand everybody needs.

And if you could, I'd like you to leave our listeners with what you most want etched in their hearts and minds

about the life and legacy of Dr. Bonson before we go off the air.

Think about it.

It was

into the

life

of

the church, but for those who knew him.

Well, I want to repeat, bonsonproject .com, B -A -H -N -S

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Find out more about this wonderful effort, very vital, valuable effort,

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And I also want to remind you of the website of our

friends at the Bayview Orthodox Presbyterian Church in Chula Vista, California.

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I want to thank you so much, Pastor Wagner, for being our guest today.

I will look forward to your frequent visits, your return visits to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio as a guest.

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