September 11, 2023 Show with Hal Shurtleff on “Why the USA Must Get Out of the UN”

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day of September 2023, a day that will remain in infamy,

obviously because of the horrific attack on American soil

which brought about the largest death count from the attack of an

enemy, foreign enemy, on American soil in the history of our

country, and of course the by far the greatest death toll

of human lives on American soil as the result of

murder is the horrific tragedy of the existence of

infanticide in this nation, also known

by the prettied -up candy -coated name abortion, but

everybody knows that this is infanticide, the murder of unborn children, but this is

a date that Americans will likely never forget and

today we have on the program someone who's going to be involved in a conference this weekend.

It is not related specifically to the the topic of 9 -11,

but a very important theme nonetheless.

Today we have Hal Shurtleff on the program, co -founder and camp director of Camp

Constitution.

He's the host of its radio program and one of the speakers at the Future of Christendom

conference in Mannheim, Pennsylvania this weekend, which features keynote

speaker Dr. James R. White of Alpha and Omega Ministries, who is not only speaking at the conference but he's

also debating Dr. Gregory Coles, who identifies himself as

a gay Christian, and the theme of the debate is, Is Gay Christian a Biblically

Acceptable Identity for a Member of Christ's Church?

That conference is this Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, September 15th, 16th, and 17th

at the Spooky Nook Sports and Events in Mannheim, Pennsylvania, which is in Lancaster

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Absolutely gorgeous facility where Doug

Mastriano, when he was candidating for governor of Pennsylvania, had one of his major fundraisers there

and I hope that if you have not registered, you will register today for this three -day conference

this Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and the theme of the conference is The Gospel at War,

and there are a number of speakers that will each be taking a session

on different areas of life in this world where the

gospel is at war with that specific element of

society, and I hope that you will visit the future, or actually it's just

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and you can register right there.

There will also be all of the details that you need to know about this conference, and

please, if you register, visit me at the Iron Trump and Zion Radio Exhibitors booth

while you are there, but we'll be promoting that later on in the program as well.

Hal Shurtleff is going to be discussing why the United States must get out of the United Nations.

I was just delighted to discover that Hal and I share a friendship

with a dearly departed brother in Christ who is now spending eternity with

Christ, a former Mormon who is also a former editor of the New

American magazine, and perhaps many of you who listen to the Iron Trump and

Zion Radio program dating back to when I aired the program out of

WNYG and WGBB radio on Long Island, New York.

William Norman Grigg was a fairly frequent guest on the program.

In fact, we discussed the very topic we are going to discuss today with Hal

Shurtleff, but it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron.

Trump and Zion Radio, Hal Shurtleff.

Oh, thank you very much for having me on.

It's an honor to be here, and I do encourage your listeners to sign up for this conference coming up this

weekend.

It's a great, great place to network, a place to meet some really top -notch people in the

movement, and some great fellowship as well, so I really recommend it.

I want to mention, too, that I was in the air back in this day, 22 years ago.

I flew out of Logan Airport in Boston, same terminal where two of the planes came from, and by God's grace

my plane wasn't hijacked.

It was a very harrowing experience, so landing in Detroit, and people didn't know what was going

on, all kinds of things were happening, but it's just

something that we'll never forget, and we should never forget, as much as some people want to put and bury in the past.

Amen.

By the.

Way, just out of curiosity, is the book by our dear friend William Norman

Grigg, Freedom on the Altar, the UN's Crusade Against God and Family, is that still in.

Print?

I don't believe it's still in print.

There are some copies available.

I actually have some on our camp bookstore and our website.

We have some available.

People donate books to me on a regular basis, and sometimes I get nice little batches of that.

That's an incredible book, and the cover of the book really says it all about the

spiritual perspective of the UN.

Very creepy, very creepy cover.

Yes, it's the meditation room.

You say, oh, so they must be very spiritual here at the UN.

Well, we found out, and it was something I found through Gary Allen's writings many, many years before that,

that it was the Lucius Trust that maintains the meditation room at the UN.

The Lucius Trust used to be called the Lucifer Trust, but the name Lucifer had a negative connotation with

some people for some reason.

It just didn't sit well with some people.

I think it was a glaring revelation of what their true intentions are, and they

decided to name it the Lucius Trust, which doesn't really tell you too much.

Well, if.

Anybody wants to order that book, which I just discovered right now, may be

purchased from the Camp Constitution website, campconstitution .net,

campconstitution .net.

Ask for Freedom on the Altar, the UN's Crusade Against God and

Family by William Norman Grigg, G -R -I -G -G.

And sure do miss William.

He was a.

Dear, dear brother.

I remember we sponsored William, a speech of his in October of 2001,

and he made some interesting comments.

One of them was, every time you say, you have to say, when you spell communism,

you have to spell out U -N, C -O -M -M -U -N.

He had a great sense of humor.

Yes, he did, and he was brilliant.

I used to tell people that if you ride around with Will for a day or two, I said it should be worth several college

credits.

Yes, he had a nickname.

Thesaurus Rex, because of his vocabulary, his vast

vocabulary.

And if anybody wants to listen to a tribute I paid

to William Norman Grigg, go to the Iron Sharpens Iron Radio website,

ironsharpensironradio .com, and type in the search engine, Grigg, G -R -I -G -G,

and a couple of the interviews I had with William will appear.

I've got to have my webmaster, Eric Nielsen, dig up some

older interviews that I had with William, because I don't see them on the screen right now as I'm looking at it,

especially the one that was specifically on his book, Freedom on the Altar.

I'm not sure why that isn't on there right now, but I'm gonna try my best to get that back

up there.

Many of those older programs were conducted in a day when I wasn't archiving them.

I was new to hosting my own radio show, although I had worked in radio

since the 1980s.

I didn't have my own radio show till 2005, and it took

a while to get used to being someone with all those responsibilities of

hosting a show, but I am thankful that Eric Nielsen is now keeping

up with all of that for the broadcasts that I conduct now and have been

doing since 2005.

But first of all, I want to.

Mention too that Norman Grigg wrote a book called Global Gun Grab, which was a

small paperback.

The cover of it had a handgun with a twisted barrel.

It's a statue in front of the UN, one of the entranceways, and when the book came out, and I

remember there was a Professor Nutter, that was his real name, and he was hired by local

police departments to train police departments to spot so -called right -wing extremists or

whatever they call them, and he made reference to his book.

So Will had a great...

He got a hold of Nutter, and Nutter said, do you really think the UN is trying to take our guns away?

He said, Professor Nutter, have you ever been to the UN headquarters in New York City?

He says, yes, I have.

Have you noticed the handgun, the statue of a handgun, with the barrel twisted?

He said, yes, I have.

He said, Professor Nutter, where we come from, we call that a clue.

And of course, liberals who would love what that

statue symbolizes are thinking and speaking and

believing and behaving in great ignorance, because if that day ever comes

where the citizens of the United States are completely without

firearms, these liberals may come to realize that even they

will be slaves of the government, and who knows, may wind up in concentration camps like the

Jews did in Nazi Germany.

Imagine if it was a common thing for a Jewish household to be fully armed back then.

I don't know how successful they would have been in completely and totally

standing off with the Nazis, but it would have took them.

Longer, I'll tell you that much.

Well, we look at we look at the Warsaw Uprising.

Yes.

Back, I think, in 1944.

In the ghetto.

Yes, when they had no option but to fight back.

And while they weren't successful, they were able to hold about a division or more

with just a handful of weapons.

So sometimes, and like our friend Charles Van Wyk, who chased

four communist terrorists out of his church, he'll be one of the presenters this weekend.

Back 20, 30 years ago, all he had was a 38 stub nose and five rounds, and he was able to

save the lives of, there was a thousand people in that church, and they came in, they killed 11,

wounded about a dozen, and Charles had a, he had a, he was able to get some clean shots

off, and they ran, thinking that there were other armed people.

And because of that, he was able to save many more lives.

Their goal was to kill every single man, woman, and child in that church, and they were not successful.

Hmm.

Well, tell our listeners about Camp Constitution.

Well, yes, Camp Constitution is a New Hampshire -based charitable trust.

We were founded back in 2008, 2009.

We run a week -long family camp, and we just had our camp this past July,

as well as we have weekend retreats, ladies retreats.

We have a family retreat coming up the end of this month, and a Camp Sentinel, which is a

Christian camp in Tuftonboro, New Hampshire.

It's a Friday, September 29th to October 1st.

We also host the Samuel Blumenfeld Archives, and I'm sure if you knew Will Grigg, you

probably knew Sam Blumenfeld.

I didn't know him, but I knew who he was.

Oh, yes.

Or is.

Sam was a dear, yeah, well, he passed away in 15.

Oh, okay.

Sam was, yeah, he was a dear friend of mine, and he was also one of our instructors, but more

importantly, he was a pioneer in the homeschool movement, and he left me his, yeah, he left me his papers and his

writings, and over 200 legal -sized boxes, as well as shopping

bags, and with that, we digitized most of that library,

including his speech.

We had speeches on cassettes and reel -to -reels.

We had his books.

We had his writings.

In fact, he was a very good friend of Reverend Rushdooney, Rushdooney,.

And he wrote for the Calcedon Report.

Yes, I used to see his articles in there when they had a, when they had a hardcopy magazine that they mailed

out.

They did,.

That's right, that's right.

He was a regular contributor.

He wrote, he was one of the first to acknowledge that we have been being deliberately dumbed down.

He recognized that in the early 60s, when he was an editor at CrossFit and Dunlop, and a

friend of his, who was an attorney, a New York City attorney, said, Sam, I'm starting a reading reform group.

He said, why would you need that?

He said, reading is so simple.

All you have to do is learn the phonics, learn the sounds, and bingo, you're a good reader.

He said, Sam, you got to read a book by Rudolf Fleischko, Why Johnny Can't Read, and that book changed his

life, and he later became, he came to have a knowledge of Christ, and he wrote, his essay was

never published publicly.

It was, Why I Became a Christian, and then he wrote a second one, Why I Became a Calvinist.

So, he was from a Jewish background, but he became a.

Jewish tulip.

I'm surprised that the Chalcedon Foundation has not brought.

That into print.

Well, we have it available, and if you go to the, yeah, if you go to our website,

campconstitution .net, you'll see the drop -down, Blumenfeld Archive, and all we need is from, to

sign up is an email address and a username, and you have unlimited access to it, and you can spend days and days

listening to all the recordings, the video, watching the videos, and his essays, his newsletter.

He did an incredible amount of newsletters.

Some of them are pretty timeless, and he did have that, I think you'll see his essays, you'll

see one of them entitled, well, two, Why I Became a Christian, and the second one was, Why I

Became a Calvinist.

So, that's great.

What brought up the Christianity, now, he was a pretty much a secular, he said he lost his faith, he was a

nominal Jew, you know, they might have observed holidays, yeah, there's a God, but he wasn't too excited

about it.

After his dad died, he became a, what he said, a sad atheist, but he was

doing some research onto the history of education in the United States, and it brought him to the New England

Calvinists, and it was then he read John Calvin's book, Institutes, and that led him, some people just pick

up a simple Bible track, he has to read this really, this very heavy tome, and that's what led him to a saving

knowledge of Jesus Christ, so we were very, very happy about that.

But it's a great, great place to get information, and Sam actually,

getting back to the UN for a second, Sam was friends of a man named Dr. Mose Shombe,

I hope I'm pronouncing his name right, he was the president of a province in what used to be called the

Belgian Congo, called Gatenga, and he had seceded from the

Congo, now it's Zaire, when a pro -communist or a communist leader, Patrus

Lumumba, came into power, and the United Nations waged an aggressive war against this

peaceful province that, the reason why they went after him is because they had uranium and

other minerals, but Shombe was a pro -westerner, he was a Christian man, and

Sam interviewed him when he was in exile in Spain, back in the early 60s,

and Sam interviewed him in French, now we have an English translation, of course, that's available, it was interesting that

Sam made reference to the conspiracy, and Shombe says, Ma oui,

la force occulte, that's what he referred to as the conspiracy, and for folks who don't

know what happened in Gatenga, the United Nations, mainly using white Irish soldiers,

bombed hospitals, murdered and raped, these are the so called peacekeepers, and there was

actually some doctors, they were based in France, I believe, 46, there was a book

called 46 Doctors, and they appealed to the leaders of the world that this

carnage must stop, they've appealed to the Vatican, they appealed to Washington, they appealed to all the

capitals in Europe, and the answer was, more guns, more soldiers, etc., etc.,

and they subjugated that poor province of Gatenga that had a growing middle class, they had, they were

Muslims and Christians and Jews got along fine, which doesn't happen much in today's world,

and they took him down, and it was a tragedy, but it was the so -called UN peacekeepers that

did this, and you can actually see a documentary, a film that was made, just called Gatenga,

you can go on YouTube and find it, and that's one, that's one of the very early instances of the UN showing its true

hand, its true totalitarian hand.

Now, before we get into.

The topic, let's hear more about some details on exactly

how Camp Constitution functions and so on, and how families and churches

in our audience can actually take advantage physically of this thing that you have to offer.

Well,.

We have our one -week family camp, next year will be July 14th to the 19th, and we

have programs for all ages, and it's a family camp where whole families come, we have in -laws,

grandparents, and we have programs for, I think, from four years old up till

adults, and a typical day, we have three classes in the morning, we have morning devotions, it's a non

-denominational camp, so people from, you know, we're Christ -centered, but we're not denominational

-centered, so we have some, I think, some of the world's top instructors, people like Professor

Willie Soon, who's one of the world's top atmospheric scientists, who I believe came to a knowledge of Christ at our camp

way back, I think, in 15 or 16, probably somebody,

some of the folks may be familiar, we had Pastor Dave Whitney

of the Institute on the Constitution, he's a regular instructor at our camp, we did have for a few years a British Lord,

Lord Christopher Monckton, we have Tom Dewey's over the years, and

we always try to get a couple of new instructors, this, next year we're going to have a lady who played a role in

the movie Unplanned, which is the Abby Johnson, oh yeah, yeah,

and she was the abortion nurse in the movie, hmm, it was another, it was, it was probably

the most, the most important scene in the movie, Julie Wilkinson, but Julie was also

an abortion nurse in her unsaved days, and the man who played the abortion doctor

in the movie was also a real -life abortion doctor, and now she spends

most of her time exposing the abortion industry, and so she's an incredible

speaker, and we were supposed to have the youngest state rep, youngest elected official in the country,

she couldn't make it, but hopefully we'll get her, maybe she won't be the youngest next year, she's a state rep from New

Hampshire, she's 18 years of age, and she got elected when she had just turned 18, and so she's very

encouraging, she's a staunch constitutionalist, Valerie McDonald, and we,

we also have Alex Newman, I'm sure somebody you're familiar with, Alex is, Alex really, he and Sam

Blumenfeld co -authored Sam's last book called Crimes of the Educators, and Alex has a show on

frank speech, which, as well as other formats, and in addition to the

great instruction, we have a lot of wholesome activity, we go on field trips, when we were closer

to Boston, we had a camp that was about 90 minutes away, we would go to Concord, Lexington, and,

and see the sites there, and the statehouse, but now we're in New Hampshire, so we, but this, New England, as well as

Pennsylvania, has history, it's plenty of history, so in the evening, we have an evening campfire,

where campers will maybe display their musical talents, so we sing a lot of the, some of the

hymns, and some of the old -fashioned, even corny songs, and corny jokes, but it's just a great

experience, and what's great, we get new people, we, we do attract a lot of homeschoolers, we have

information tables at homeschool shows around the region, I hadn't been to CHAPS, but I've been to the one in

Pennsylvania for about four or five years in a row, the Christian Homeschools of Pennsylvania, and so that

tends to be our targeted market, and it's just a great time, and we have people that ask us, why can't

it be two weeks, you know, and this year, we had a lot of the young ladies coming for the first time, and they were crying, because

they had such a great time, they didn't want to have it to end.

We videotape all of our classes, and some of our activity, we also have marksmanship,

we, this year, we had a man who actually trains for, trains churches, dealing with active

shooters, and he, not only did he give a good class on the subject, but he also, he and his

colleague took about 15 to 20 young people who had never fired before, maybe it was more, maybe

close to 30, who had never fired before, and left there as pretty well knowledgeable in the,

that incredible important thing of the, the right to keep and bear arms.

Well, no, we do, we do things around the, we do have a weekend camp, I said, coming up, so it's just a

camp, like, just on a smaller version.

We have a ladies retreat, and I mentioned the Blumenfeld Archive, we have a channel with a Rumble channel, as well as

YouTube channel, and we have a radio show, which is, which you can get on

Potomatic, it's a, we actually broadcast out of, it's WBCQ, the planet is the radio station,

but we brought, we, we archive most of these shows, and you can pick them up on

Potomatic, just put in Camp Constitution.

Well, when we return from.

Our first commercial break, I'd like you to do something that we always have first -time guests do, I'd like you to give a

summary of your salvation testimony that would include the kind of religious

atmosphere, if any, in which you were raised, and what kind of providential circumstances our Sovereign Lord

raised up in your life that drew you to himself and saved you.

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We are now back with our guest today Hal Shurtleff.

By the way Hal I can remember very clearly as a child or as a teenager

growing up on Long Island and going to the 7 -Eleven and there would be signs on the doors that said no

one is allowed who is shoeless or shirtless.

Shirtless is actually what I meant to say but anyway as I said before the break

we have a tradition here where whenever we have a first -time guest we have the guests to give a summary of their.

Salvation testimony and I'd love to hear yours.

Well yes well I was raised in a congregational church that at that time in the 60s early 70s

was Bible believing and I attended a week -long camp in Northfield

Massachusetts where there used to be a prep school at schools a Christian prep school and I

made a profession of faith.

I remember getting a Bible and the pastors had John 3 16 underlined in there

and I was active in the church but my teenage 16 to 17 and older I was

backslidden.

I kind of embraced an agnosticism and but it was when I was 27 years old is when

I and I was always a conservative minded person.

I was never some leftist.

I remember watching some of the cable TV televangelist and would you know these by they're just

in for the money and as God was getting my attention I started slowing down and start listening to some of these people

and I had a very unusual experience and I have a I still have it.

I have this mahogany bookcase glass doors and it was in the afternoon I was working

a night shift at the time and there was a series of articles in the local newspaper the Boston Herald about

us about a exorcism that a priest was performing in the North Shore of Boston and I

read the article and I said this is a bunch of baloney and I put it down and I took a little nap and I woke up

when the door of my bookcase popped open and the books fell to the floor

and then the door slammed shut and my good my heart was racing.

I went to get my I had to calm down and get my landlord who was a friend I said just kind of quiet maybe you can explain what

happened.

Well the simple thing is a dowel from the shelf fell and the momentum of the weight of the books

forced the doors to shut slam shut and in my panic I'm thinking oh we got demons in

the house I gotta move I gotta solve my house I mean I gotta move I gotta find another apartment etc and God was getting my

attention because I thought well if there's no God there is a if there's a devil there's got to be a God

and that sort of slowly led me back into God's grace and I attended a few different

churches and met a wonderful Christian woman and we've been happily married for 30 plus years with

four beautiful homeschooled my youngest is now in her second year at Liberty University

and so I started learning more about the Calvinist perspective.

Of course a lot of people in the Christian community pre -trib pre -tribulation is and

it was through a gentleman who was from lived in Pennsylvania Tom Parsley back in the early 90s.

And then of course I met Sam Blumenfeld and Sam introduced me to the Chalcedon Foundation

and I was very just very much impressed by the scholarship and just their dedication and their knowledge

of Scripture and the history of the church too.

It's amazing how few Christians really know much about their their incredible Christian history.

Well.

Great.

Well we all rejoice in knowing that the the Lord of hosts rescued you

from yourself and the devil and damnation

and are now a brother in Christ.

Well now let's set the stage for our main topic today.

The United Nations is an institution that many people in the United States maybe even

most look upon as a bulwark for

keeping peace in the world.

And they when they hear people like us talking about we've got to get

the United States out of the United Nations they look at us as nut jobs.

Obviously they think that we are unnecessarily

raising the ire of all of the other nations in the globe who are a part of the United

Nations that somehow if if we were to get our wish and we

did remove ourselves from the United Nations and go I'll go even a step further kick the United

Nations out of the United States.

That it would be a suicidal effort.

And I'm sure obviously judging from the theme of our program today you vehemently and

vociferously disagree with that.

So why don't you first of all tell us when and why the

United Nation was founded.

Well it was founded in 1945.

In San Francisco and they had a meeting prior to that in

DC Dunbarton are done.

Barton Oaks I think is the name of the community where they had their early meeting.

And in Washington in San Francisco it was right towards the end of World War two and

there was a what we say a war weary world say that three times real fast I have trouble with it and they

thought well if we the League of Nations which was an early attempt to have a world government or a

world entity the United States did not join wisely.

And they thought okay we need to have this entity that will prevent more world wars.

And what people don't realize is that the man who was the first the first

man who was the acting secretary general Alger Hiss was a Soviet

agent.

So I kind of beg the question what possible good can come out of any entity

that was founded by a Soviet agent.

A man who was not just a Soviet agent but an agent of Joe Stalin one of the most wicked men of the

easily the 20th century maybe of the history of mankind and people.

People don't know this and not taught this in schools.

They have these model UN's where they talk about how wonderful the UN is and how without the UN did we would have

had World War three by now.

Well since its founding we've had hundreds of wars.

We may not have had world wars but we've had all kinds of wars.

And in fact the the first war that we got involved

with after the UN was founded it was founded in 45 and

there was a treaty that was passed that created and it was only two US senators that voted against it

and as a former colleague of mine would say they should put statues to them.

Henry Shipstead he was a senator I think from one from Minnesota one from I think North Dakota

Shipstead and Langston they weren't that well known in those days.

But they simply read the Charter.

And if you read the UN Charter most people don't read it.

It's a really an Orwellian doublespeak.

And the UN and the UN bill of the UN the thing that came out about a year later the

UN international UN rights it

says that it I'll just paraphrase it in one one particular part of that you

have the right to worship the right to travel the right to vacations.

Even you don't even find that in our Constitution right.

But then a few paragraphs later they qualify all those rights out of existence.

If they say it's not consistent with the teachings and findings of the UN or the the policies enshrined

in the UN.

So all of those things are just thrown out.

The United States was founded by mainly Christian men and our Constitution

presupposes a Christian perspective the UN but on the other hand is just the opposite.

It is a it is an entity that where rights are not granted by God if the purpose of

the UN isn't to protect God -given rights it's to basically protect the interest of the UN.

And an algae has by the way was eventually found guilty.

The treason part was statute of limitations had run out but he didn't go to jail for a couple of years

for lying under oath.

When he was when he denied his communist affiliations.

The first UN war that we fought was in Korea and

President Harry Truman at that time said that he's basically going to a higher

authority.

That's the same thing that George W Bush said and he because the

UN Security Council is the one that declares war.

What happened was we passed the UN Participation Act in 1945 46 and

saying that anytime the UN votes to go to war we have to

comply.

That is a total violation of the Constitution.

Article 1 section 8 says Congress declare wars not the UN.

They don't even call them wars.

They call them so -called police actions.

I don't see that term in my Constitution and I'm sure you don't either so that UN that first

UN war was lost.

We're still over there.

We had a treaty we never a truce that's never been ended.

And it was interesting that General MacArthur who initially was pro UN he

said that the soldier above others of all others prays for peace because he must bear the deepest scars and wounds of war.

His Inchon campaign was a stroke of absolute genius.

The UN didn't know about it.

In fact I had a I was friendly with a man who was his pilot.

It was in in the in the room when it was being planned and somebody said one of his

address and said general you need to tell the UN.

And he said a word that I don't want to say on a Christian radio show the UN.

He learned pretty quickly that the UN was not an ally of the United States.

In fact at that time the Undersecretary of Political Affairs who had privy

to all information about the war was a was a Russian and anything that happened went right

to Russia.

Moscow learned about it before DC did.

So that's why my MacArthur did not let the UN know about his plans

for Inchon.

And it was a smashing success and and he was eventually relieved because he had a

mistaken notion that he was trained to win wars.

That was no longer the objective and it was.

And we pay the price.

We've been praying for the price ever since we fought in Vietnam under a subdivision of

NATO called Cito SCATO which is now defunct.

Southeast Asia Treaty Organization victory was never the objective.

We had two Gulf Wars which cost us lots of lives and soldiers

billions of dollars of not trillions and military hardware and foreign aid and

things that are all worse than they were when we got.

When when the UN got involved we look at here's an example the PLO.

The PLO is a terrorist organization.

They had a seat at the UN in the early 70s the UN voted

to get rid of Taiwan which was the recognized country of China and

seat the communist China kick out Taiwan.

And that time Mao Zedong who made Stalin look like a altar boy was in charge.

Genocide was the rule in communist China and yet the UN embraced communist China.

And you know that's just a handful of the things.

And so when people say that oh you know you know you must be crazy.

You want to get out of the UN.

Look at all they've done.

I say you know give me some examples of what they've done.

Right.

And then they you know they really can't come up with.

Oh they'll say well they have something UNICEF.

That's it the United Nations Children's Fund.

I said what do you know about UNICEF.

And I'm sure I remember trick -or -treating for you.

Oh yes and I wish that my parents my parents who were conservative but they didn't know much about the UN.

Right.

Because they certainly would have let me.

They learned later on through me they said we will never let you raise money for the UN.

UNICEF was funding terrorist in Africa and what was used to be Rhodesia.

Some of the they would the terrorists would actually come over and missionaries and kill them murder them

women and children.

And they would find UN UNICEF packets.

They would support these people and and that's it.

And they'll tell us some but some of the people and there's a lot of folks that are conservative minded who

tell us that.

Well look the UN is useless.

You guys get a little too nervous about that.

I said really I have a map.

You know if this was a this was a video I would show it.

It's a map of the world where there are UN missions.

They are actually monitoring our elections.

The United Nations.

Not one person at the UN is elected.

They're all appointed by their various governments.

Yet they have the temerity to monitor our elections.

You see so they have a school in Tokyo.

They they have may have.

They have involvement all over the world.

And in fact at the conference the my first time I went to the Mars conference Mid -Atlantic Reformation

feature of Christendom was in 2018 and I met a gentleman and I wish I remember what country he was

a one who helped he was a Christian he helped write the Constitution and he told me that the UN

will go in there and they'll offer the money for educational purposes.

And the president at the time said you know let's take it it's free and he said it may be free but

it's the UN curriculum.

You don't want that.

I have another friend that's he's from the South Sudan and he said the South Sudan is a new country now

and they're having all kinds of problems.

And he said the UN comes in and offers all kinds of money but with that money you got to accept the homosexual.

You had to accept that agenda you had to promote it in the schools you got to get the vaccines and so they

have such an evil influence around around the world and around the country and especially in sub

-saharan Africa.

You go to the average person there where they were.

It was a UN peacekeeping the Ivory Coast.

That's an example.

You can go and go on your website and put in Ivory Coast UN UN

peacekeepers and you'll see that these so -called peacekeepers had were child trafficking.

They actually fired upon citizens who were criticizing they were demonstrated against this UN mission and they

killed these people in cold blood.

But some strange reason you don't hear about that even in Fox News and Newsmax you don't even hear that

very seldom so and so that's why I think it's important that shows like your show

and many others speak out against the UN and you know we learned a lot about the WHO.

Didn't we during the China virus lockdown the WHO was

another arm of the UN and World Health Organization.

Hello.

That's a and that's told it yeah that's totally controlled by the Communist.

Chinese right.

But we are going to our midway break right now and if you have a question for

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And let's see here.

I was just looking at a question for our guest here it is.

Her name is Louise from Storm Lake Iowa.

And Louise says can you list some primary prominent figures from

history on both sides of the United Nations issue when it was first forming

both on the pro and on the con side and briefly explain their reasons for either

being for or.

Against it.

Well that's in it.

I did mention that when the UN was the UN Treaty was ratified there were only two senators

that voted against it out of.

Wow.

Yeah there was 48 at that point.

Right.

Before Alaska and Hawaii.

No actually 46 Shipstead and Langdon.

One was from I think North Dakota.

One was from Minnesota.

But over the years there was some that have regretted their vote.

Who was the gentleman that ran for president in the early 50s from Ohio.

I almost said yeah he was a nephew of Taft president Taft Robert Taft.

He regretted his vote and he said we should have done it alone.

And over the years has been a number of critics of the UN that one of the earliest books

that I recommend on the subject was written by G Edward Griffin.

I was called the fearful master and that that was an example of somebody who

was in college was was taught that this you when it was a great entity and he

simply looked at the facts he looked at the history he looked at the principal agents behind it

and he decided that this was a pretty rotten organization.

I think Ezra Taft Benson who had that plied that he had been part of the Department of Agriculture.

He was head of the Mormon Church at one time was very much against the UN.

So there's been a lot of people against it.

But they don't get a lot of visibility.

And again there's a lot of good decent people that think you know we we really don't want to get out of the UN because

gee we have to at least know what they're doing.

That stupid line in the movie.

You need to keep your enemies close.

Keep your friends close.

But keep your enemies closer.

Right.

It's kind of a stupid thing.

I want to get a mafia thing.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I either want to vanquish my enemies to keep them far from me.

I don't need to have them near me because I know they want to do damage to me.

So anyway now as far as people that support the UN well there's lots of

people.

You look at the media you look at.

I mean Harry Truman was a big champion of the UN.

Al Jahis the first general secretary whom I.

Mentioned acting general anybody that would surprise the more conservative.

Listener that supported the UN.

Yes well you know is it.

I can't say offhand but you have to look at look at George W Bush he was a big supporter of the UN.

In fact when he gave that speech at a joint session of Congress in the

wake of the right before the Gulf War he said what we have here

is a real chance of this new world order.

And then he defined it a UN is envisioned by its founders.

So then you have to ask was that was that George HW Bush or George W Bush.

I'm sorry HW.

Okay the the elderly I'm HW not W.

Right.

Yeah.

But W was also a big our advocate of the UN right.

George Schultz a big advocate of the UN you could look at most most people you know

but most of the neocons love the neocon Republicans.

On the other hand Ron Paul he would be a very good example of somebody who not only opposed the UN

but submitted bills as a member of Congress every two years he called it the UN

the Sovereignty Restoration Act and I think that bill has been submitted over the

years and sometimes it gets 50 votes sometimes a if it comes to a vote but the very

fact that we're talking about it that's the beginning of seeing it end.

And you know we did get out of we got out of let's see we got out the WHO

for a short time under under Trump we got right back in it because of Biden but we also got

out of another arm of the UN.

I'm trying to think what UNESCO UNESCO United Nations Education Science Cultural

Organization we got out of that under.

I think it was the Reagan administration we simply just just pull our funding and I think it was one of

the Bush's that got us back in.

I don't know if it was Joe I think it was George W Bush that quietly got us back into UNESCO.

But without our money the UN would dry up because we support it I think about 80 90

percent.

And when it comes to our troop our soldiers you know these UN the Gulf War was

supposed to be a UN operation and it's usually like 95 percent Americans maybe a

handful of Canadians and a few from other militaries but the bulk of the fighting

and the dying and the bleeding and the.

Wounding comes out of the United States.

We have a listener named Reed in Bellevue Nebraska

and Reed says I heard you mention G Edward Griffin.

I was wondering if you recommend his book The Creature from Jekyll Island.

A second look at the.

Federal Reserve.

I highly and not only do I recommend it but I was honored to take him on a speaking tour of New England

back when the book first came out.

And if you go to a you'd any go to YouTube and you put in Ed Griffin and Hal Shurtleff you will see a very

young version of me.

I used the term almost good -looking version of me interviewing Ed Griffin on

his book so and I actually got a chance to meet him again at his Red Pill Expo.

He actually held it in Hartford Connecticut back in 19 so I got it.

Not only did I had it was good to catch up with him because it's been a few years since I've seen him.

But I had a nice stack of his book and he was good enough to autograph them for me.

The fearful master which is out of print and it's one of the I think

great books as a primer on the UN.

It goes into the founding who were the founders and the full philosophical underpinnings.

There's a few other good books that recommend Will Grigg.

Anything by Will Grigg I'd recommend but he wrote global gun.

Global global gun grab and the one we mentioned earlier

about that the the spiritual aspect of the UN.

I can't think of it.

We were promoting it just as.

Earlier on the show.

Oh you mean freedom on the altar.

Is that what you mean.

Freedom on the altar.

Thank you.

Yes.

As well as changing commands.

That was another book published in the mid 90s that goes into the military aspect of the United

Nations and how American soldiers basically when they fight under the UN auspices

are led by UN.

In fact Michael knew.

Michael knew I got a chance to meet.

Michael knew on a few occasions he came to a camp I was affiliated with before we started camp Constitution.

He was an e4 specialist and I can't remember what nation he was stationed in.

It was in Europe.

And he was told to wear a UN helmet or a UN hat and he said no.

He said I took an oath to defend the US Constitution and at that time he was under the direct command of a Turkish

soldier a UN officer.

And he made some made some news it wasn't covered by everybody end up getting a general discharge.

And it's sad that he was one.

That he was one of the few that spoke out.

It should have been the generals and the Admiral speaking out against the UN and the United States soldiers being put

under UN command.

But he you know a general a general discharge is not generally a good thing to get.

But under those circumstances he held his ground and he showed a lot of moral

courage.

And he said no I'm not going to.

He said I'll I'm not afraid to serve.

I am not deserting.

I'm just not serving under a foreign command.

And he was very justified in that.

Well going back to an.

Earlier question just moments ago so you're saying that as far as prominent figures

the only person that you can think of that was opposed to the UN is

or was Douglas MacArthur after he initially supported it and I regret it.

No well no.

I'm Doug.

I meant Douglas MacArthur.

I mentioned the head of the moment.

Sure.

And I mentioned Ron Paul who was a candidate for office.

I mentioned his son.

I believe he's very much against the.

Yeah.

Well that's that's more recent though.

I'm speaking about when I was first.

No there was very there was.

Yeah.

There was very little opposition to it.

Just as far as I know just those two US senators and and

Taft.

The man who was Senator Robert Taft who became a presidential candidate.

He he was.

He spoke out against it.

So there has been like I said it has been some but you're gonna have to look for you know now organization like the John Birch Society

was very much against getting inside the UN.

That was one of its earliest campaigns and so all the people affiliated with with that organization.

Larry McDonald congressman from Georgia was playing was shot down by the Soviets in 1983.

He was very much against it.

Gary Allen who wrote a book that got six million copies distributed none dare call a

conspiracy was very much against it.

So there's been a number of people against it.

Even Joe Scarborough.

Joe Scarborough.

Now you know this screaming leftist.

That's all right.

The morning Joe.

I don't.

I don't trust him as far as I could spit.

I think he's a fool.

I don't know.

I'm the same way it's interesting that he was once an anti -establishment Republican.

And he sponsored a bill or co -sponsored a bill to get us out of the UN.

Something they'd have probably denied.

And now he's married to the the the daughter

of one of the top deep staters.

Right.

Brzezinski.

I mean Brzezinski.

You look up the word deep state in the dictionary.

It should be a picture of him and Kissinger.

Those are the two people I think are the all the quintessential deep staters.

Okay it was amazing how you can sell out your perspective sell out your worldview pretty quickly

already.

We.

Have Theodore in Keene New Hampshire.

How close is Keene New Hampshire to where.

You are.

Keene is about an hour and a half drive it's on the other side of the state.

I'm in Alton New Hampshire on Lake Winnipesaukee but it's a good area.

It's called the Monadnock region and we used to have our family camp in Rindge New Hampshire

just a short distance from Keene so I'm very familiar with the town.

Or city of Keene.

Okay I think that Theodore has an excellent question he says.

Could you list a few reasons that are first and foremost why

every patriot should want the United States to withdraw from the UN and

secondly why specifically Christians should want us as a country to

withdraw from the UN.

I.

Think those are excellent questions.

Yeah.

I think the first reason that the United Nations is anti -christian it's

anti God everything it stands for everything it's.

Done that would be a Christian Christian reason because obviously many even conservative

Americans could care less what Christians think but that's that's.

True the United Nations Charter is diametrically opposed to the US

Constitution.

I think that's probably the most biggest reason why we should get out of the UN.

Number two we are the UN's basically soldiers.

The United Nations relies mainly upon the United States to fight its wars.

We've been doing that since since the Korean War World War Korean War

Gulf War and Gulf two and in Afghanistan and Iraq and all these other

wars that we've been involved in these were all fought under the UN auspices and so I think that's a

very good reason to get out.

And as far as a quiet Christian I think those first two one I mentioned also apply to Christians.

But the UN is one of the biggest supporters of the promotion of homosexuality and abortion.

Yes weren't.

They withholding aid from countries that were against abortion.

Yes you in fact.

Uganda passed a law outlawing homosexuality.

Right.

I met a pastor from Uganda very recently and you know he said yeah all of the all these

nations that have given you of foreign aid have cut their foreign aid.

But you know what I was speaking to.

I was at a group of people and I was actually talking to a pastor friend of mine

and he was a little upset about a certain candidate that believes we should cut off financial aid to Israel.

And I said look I said first it's unconstitutional.

Number one.

There's no nothing the Constitution that says we need to give money to anybody.

Right.

Number two.

Money from the federal government.

Come.

I don't use the word strings it comes with chains.

So if you if you're accepting money for the federal government you must do certain things that the

Biden administration wants you to do.

So to me that's pretty tainted money pretty bad money.

And and a third reason is that if you're relying upon money from evil countries or evil entities

you're on.

You're basically singing their tune.

You need to become independent.

And I pointed out that Israel is the first world country.

They don't need our money.

And I think Uganda and the South Sudan yeah they may be struggling but they're

better off without it in the long run.

Become independent.

If you're truly independent that means you don't need money from from socialist

countries or.

Marxist entities like the United Nations.

And I just had something in my head that was very important that I was going to ask you.

Oh well list some of the best resources that you

can name that would be helpful aids to our listeners

who want to sit down with family friends loved ones and neighbors and

perhaps alienate alienate them for the rest of their lives but but but sit down with

them to give them convincing arguments if they're if they're if they believe that they

themselves are inadequate to do so.

Convincing arguments why the average citizen even though the

average liberal should be opposed to the United States being a part of the United

Nations and why we should even tolerate.

Their existence in our nation.

Well if you go to our YouTube channel you'll see a playlist and I think we have a UN get us

out of the UN playlist.

If not I could.

There's so many videos out there and they're not all necessarily put out by conservative entities.

There was there was a documentary on Katanga I recommend that that was that was a

film that was made you know converted into a video back in the 60s.

I've given presentations on the United Nations over the years.

I think some of that is up on YouTube you know laying out the history of the UN it's crimes against humanity.

And why we need to get out and how do we do it.

And the best way to do it of course is to first we need to educate people about the UN and then we need to.

It's a Congress can defund it.

Congress you know even if we don't get out formally we can actually defund it which in

essence if we don't pay our dues we're out.

I don't see that happening under the current administration.

I don't know what's going to happen in 2024 but I think it might be more practical in 2024.

So I think the education is extremely important and there are just so many things out

there.

I just I mentioned if you go to our website CampConstitution .net we have a lot of drop down.

We have a downloads and there's a lot of stuff there.

I think you can begin with our YouTube channel and some of the books that we make available but there's

like I mentioned some great books but two by William Norman Grigg G. Edward Griffin's book

Changing Commands by John McManus just a few to begin with if you reach out to me directly

I could.

Actually I have a an extensive library.

I can either send you links or even some hardcopy things.

Just go to our website there's a contact place say hey I heard you on the radio when I want you you know

send me some information you have.

I've got some smaller booklets.

I've got some DVDs that I may have available.

And of course the UN agenda 21 is an integral part.

The UN is sort of the parent of this thing called agenda 21 or agenda 2030 and this

is happening right in our own communities.

There's an organization called the ICLEI International Council of Local Environmental Initiative

found at the UN two years before the Rio de Janeiro conference and they are you

know the UN may be operating.

I don't mean that there's UN soldiers you know running around your town but the things the UN is promoting

might be happening in your own town and you don't even know it.

And this is something that we've been campaigning for for years exposing the agenda 21.

I've done I don't know about 700 public presentations around the region the last 15 or

so years on the subject and I think AEOC did us a service when she came out with the

Green New Deal.

You remember that bill.

Yeah that almost nobody voted for right.

I said this is agenda 21.

She did us a favor now that she meant to do us a favor.

So you see these are these things happening and we've had success even in Keene New Hampshire a

liberal college town there was a bill that was a UN bait and they're a member of the

ICLEI or were.

I don't know if they still are but they were.

But one of the bills they wanted concerted wetlands and they wanted to restrict in a wetland is whatever the

liberals say it is.

It could be a puddle that might be there after a rain I'm being a little facetious but so they wanted to have a real

restricting restrictive bill to an ordinance to restrict any kind of building was in so

many feet and what happened was it was struck down and it was modified.

It wasn't as it was still not a good bill to pass but it could have been a lot worse and just a few towns away in the town

of Ridge New Hampshire the the agenda 21 people were getting getting ready to make some

profound changes in that town.

They had this this plan all all ready to roll and a friend of a gentleman

who became a good friend reached out to me and he said I don't know anything about this hell but I got to get educated.

He started a local group and within six months maybe even less they kicked the

whole thing out lock stock and barrel and even the town manager resigned relocated and they

had some new selectmen that were liberty minded.

So some good things have happened as a result of that and there's lots of pushback around the country and a lot of

people don't look at the bigger picture of the UN but agenda 21 is a is a the

UN is the parent of agenda 21 or.

Agenda 2030.

There's a calling it now.

Okay we have Tyrell in Waukesha.

Or Waukesha.

Perhaps you can correct me on the pronunciation of that.

Wisconsin and Tyrell says.

Please pardon me for introducing a topic that is not a part of your main theme but

since you were talking about the Federal Reserve earlier I was wondering if you could recommend as

legitimate the documentary.

America freedom to fascism.

Yes that document that came out oh boy over a few years ago and I actually

interviewed the man Aaron Aaron who sent Aaron Russo who since passed away.

Yes.

Yes I do recommend that.

He was a very interesting guy.

He was I think bet Midler's bit bet Midler's manager at one point.

Yeah.

He produced the rose.

He produced the rose.

That's right.

Yes.

And I don't know where he was coming from theologically if not sure but I know he was very much against NAFTA

and I know that he again freedom he was against the Federal Reserve Bank.

I remember he was very he was a good theatrical guy.

He had he was talking about NAFTA and he had a little person

with a wheelbarrow which is NAFTA all these.

And he had a he was kicking it around stage.

You know how many pages is that.

You know.

So yeah I definitely would remember freedom from fascism.

I.

Recommend that.

Yeah.

I was first informed about that documentary by an Orthodox Jewish friend of mine

Bob Unger and I was blown away do you know Bob's a.

Friend of mine too really.

Bob very well oh yeah oh yeah yeah oh wow well Bob and.

I as a character.

Oh yes.

Bob and I have been very close friends for decades.

Going back to oh yeah tell you tell me.

I said hello.

I will.

Yeah we still stay in touch.

I've known Bob since we had a lawsuit we had a lawsuit.

I'm gonna be talking about it at our at the conference it was a both Christian flag

and the city of Boston.

I wanted to raise the flag to celebrate Constitution Day all our organization but I'm at the head of you

know the head of it and we were denied.

This was back in 17 based on the right the First Amendment and then eventually became approved city

speech.

Well it took almost five years but we won our case 9 -0 in the US

Supreme Court.

Hello.

And that yeah that set a precedent something called the lemon test lemon versus

Krutzman which was back at Supreme Court decision back in 71.

I think and this lemon test where were people with school teachers and principals and

elected officials and government official would would really restrict Christian liberties.

They would say well you can't have a Ten Commandments on the on the public property you can't put up you

can't put up a sign that says God bless you you can't even wear a cross in.

You know if you're a government official and all these things are happening.

And our case shirtless v Boston and the Joe Kennedy case.

Coach Kennedy I think these were the two things that struck down this terrible thing called the

lemon test.

And we're very excited about that because and we did raise our flag.

But what's happening is a result of our case that towns and cities around the country

will no longer fly certain flags like the rainbow flag you said look we don't want to if we fly the

Christian flag we got to fly all these other flags so we're just gonna fly the US flag the state flag.

Maybe this town of some towns have flags and the POW MIA flag and that's that.

And that's really what it where it should be you know that.

So I think it was a it was very a very important thing for us and I have to say that God's hand was in

this case from the very beginning because it was never my idea to take this to the UN.

I mean UN excuse me to the US Supreme Court.

Well.

Yeah Bob and I go back to 1991.

I could still remember the day I received a fax from him because I worked for WMCA

radio and he was urging me to get him interviewed on the Andy Anderson

live program.

This is before I had my own talk show and that sparked a friendship that that exists till this day.

And oh yeah Bob's in fact he conducted a fascinating interview with him

and one of his friends who was also an Orthodox Jew years ago

and it was an interesting fascinating point of view that you very rarely hear.

These two men are Orthodox Jews and Zionists

but they are vehemently opposed to the current.

Israeli government so it's just a gentleman that used to have a cable TV.

Show in New York City.

I don't you talking about.

No you're not talking about Bob Unger.

You're talking about somebody else right.

No you.

Mentioned his friend he said he had another friend with him I can't remember.

I just know that yeah they were both.

They were both pushing for the candidacy of a new prime minister of Israel who actually

listened to the program that.

Oh really yeah he listened to the interview I conducted with Bob but I just that's great.

I just can't remember his name this Bob's friend right now but we have to go to our final break.

If you have a question for my guest please submit it to Chris Arnson at gmail .com quickly because

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And we are now back with the final portion of our program today with Hal Shurtleff,

co -founder and camp director of Camp Constitution, and one of the featured speakers at

this weekend's Future of Christendom conference in Manhattan, Pennsylvania, which also includes

keynote speaker and debater, Dr. James R. White of Alpha and Omega Ministries.

And I am so thrilled that this event has finally come to the point where I can say it's

just going to be held in a few days, and I can't wait to be there and be blessed by all of the speakers,

including Hal Shurtleff.

I'd like you to summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today before we go off the air.

Well, that's a good thing.

I think we have to, our job is to advance God's kingdom.

And we, you know, the prayer is to open up, ask God, if you're not involved in the freedom

movement, I'm sure that a lot of your listeners are involved in some respects, either they're involved in the church,

but ask God where he wants you to be, because people ask me all the time, what can I do about this?

What should I do?

And I'll say, ask God.

I'm not saying that as a cop -out, but ask God where he wants you, because you may have certain skills that you

think are needed in one place, but maybe God wants you someplace else.

Either, you know, I would say if your children are in government schools, get them out as quickly as possible.

The homeschool movement is flourishing, and your church should be promoting,

they should be having their own school if they don't already.

And if they do, you need to help it.

Help them with, and I'm sure you have much to offer.

If you have ability, whatever you can do, help those local schools.

We have a lot of great satellite schools that are starting up, and I'm just so

encouraged in that respect.

I know that we look at today's headlines, and we get very depressed, but I know that God is on the throne,

and he's not done with this nation, he's not done with his people.

And I think that some great things are going to be happening down the road in the next few years.

So I'm not a Pollyanna, and I know things may get a lot worse before they get better, but

I'm just encouraged by the things I'm seeing, not just in the United States, but in other parts of the world.

So, you know, the word encourage is to promote courage, where the word

discourage is to make people have less courage.

So we need to encourage the body and advance the kingdom and all opportunities that we

have.

Now, wouldn't you agree that one of the reasons that even conservative

Americans and even conservative Christians so often

take the wrong side on issues like the one we

are discussing today is because they forget that God is in complete and sovereign

control over all things?

They're not trusting—.

I do agree.

Yes, I do agree with you.

They look at a man—a man has caused a problem, man will solve the

problem, and that's not the case at all.

And I also need to point out, and I'm sure you agree, that we are in a spiritual battle.

Yes.

And what we see is the physical manifestations of that spiritual battle.

And so I think that's the important aspect that, yeah, there are parties that are, you know,

people put their stock in the Republican Party.

Now you can't do that.

There's people worthy of your support, but the idea that a party is going to save the day, if that were the case, it would have saved our

country a long time ago.

Yeah, and we have to be careful not to be guilty of eisegesis, importing

into the Bible things that don't exist there.

A woman, a sister in Christ, contacted me in response to the

publicity of today's interview, and she said, why are you even having a show

like this?

Because although the UN is satanic, it is a part of

biblical prophecy.

So by having a show like this, where we're saying America needs to pull out of the UN, she was

claiming we were believing that Bible prophecy was incorrect, because she was

insistent on importing this notion of the UN being a part of Bible prophecy into the Scriptures,

which obviously you—go ahead.

Yeah, the Bible tells us to expose the unfruitful works of darkness, and that's, I think, what we're doing on

this show, that the UN is unfruitful, and it's certainly dark, and that's

our biblical mandate.

I mean, we can justify that, say, well, gee, we think Hitler was the Antichrist, and so we should never have

opposed him.

And so when he rolled his tanks into Poland, hey, that's just prophecy being fulfilled.

No, I don't think that's the proper perspective.

Right, well, we're out of time, and the website for my guest is campconstitution .net.

Don't forget to register, if you haven't already, for the three -day conference this weekend featuring Dr. James R. White.

That's futureofchristendom .org.

I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives, Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you

are a sinner.