September 11, 2023 Show with Hal Shurtleff on “Why the USA Must Get Out of the UN”

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County, Pennsylvania, Lake City, Florida, and the rest of humanity living on the planet Earth who are listening via live streaming at ironsharpensironradio .com. This is Chris Arnzen, your host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, wishing you all a happy Monday on this 11th day of September 2023, a day that will remain in infamy, obviously because of the horrific attack on American soil which brought about the largest death count from the attack of an enemy, foreign enemy, on American soil in the history of our country, and of course the by far the greatest death toll of human lives on American soil as the result of murder is the horrific tragedy of the existence of infanticide in this nation, also known by the prettied-up candy-coated name abortion, but everybody knows that this is infanticide, the murder of unborn children, but this is a date that Americans will likely never forget and today we have on the program someone who's going to be involved in a conference this weekend.

It is not related specifically to the the topic of 9 -11, but a very important theme nonetheless. Today we have Hal Shurtleff on the program, co-founder and camp director of Camp Constitution. He's the host of its radio program and one of the speakers at the Future of Christendom conference in Mannheim, Pennsylvania this weekend, which features keynote speaker Dr. James R. White of Alpha and Omega Ministries, who is not only speaking at the conference but he's also debating Dr. Gregory Coles, who identifies himself as a gay Christian, and the theme of the debate is, Is Gay Christian a Biblically Acceptable Identity for a Member of Christ's Church?

That conference is this Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, September 15th, 16th, and 17th at the Spooky Nook Sports and Events in Mannheim, Pennsylvania, which is in Lancaster County. Absolutely gorgeous facility where Doug Mastriano, when he was candidating for governor of Pennsylvania, had one of his major fundraisers there and I hope that if you have not registered, you will register today for this three-day conference this Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and the theme of the conference is The Gospel at War, and there are a number of speakers that will each be taking a session on different areas of life in this world where the gospel is at war with that specific element of society, and I hope that you will visit the future, or actually it's just futureofchristendom .org, you leave the the off of there, futureofchristendom .org, and you can register right there.

There will also be all of the details that you need to know about this conference, and please, if you register, visit me at the Iron Trump and Zion Radio Exhibitors booth while you are there, but we'll be promoting that later on in the program as well.

Hal Shurtleff is going to be discussing why the United States must get out of the United Nations. I was just delighted to discover that Hal and I share a friendship with a dearly departed brother in Christ who is now spending eternity with Christ, a former Mormon who is also a former editor of the New American magazine, and perhaps many of you who listen to the Iron Trump and Zion Radio program dating back to when I aired the program out of WNYG and WGBB radio on Long Island, New York.

William Norman Grigg was a fairly frequent guest on the program. In fact, we discussed the very topic we are going to discuss today with Hal Shurtleff, but it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron.

Trump and Zion Radio, Hal Shurtleff. Oh, thank you very much for having me on. It's an honor to be here, and I do encourage your listeners to sign up for this conference coming up this weekend. It's a great, great place to network, a place to meet some really top-notch people in the movement, and some great fellowship as well, so I really recommend it.

I want to mention, too, that I was in the air back in this day, 22 years ago. I flew out of Logan Airport in Boston, same terminal where two of the planes came from, and by God's grace my plane wasn't hijacked.

It was a very harrowing experience, so landing in Detroit, and people didn't know what was going on, all kinds of things were happening, but it's just something that we'll never forget, and we should never forget, as much as some people want to put and bury in the past.

Amen. By the.

Way, just out of curiosity, is the book by our dear friend William Norman Grigg, Freedom on the Altar, the UN's Crusade Against God and Family, is that still in.

Print? I don't believe it's still in print. There are some copies available. I actually have some on our camp bookstore and our website. We have some available. People donate books to me on a regular basis, and sometimes I get nice little batches of that.

That's an incredible book, and the cover of the book really says it all about the spiritual perspective of the UN. Very creepy, very creepy cover. Yes, it's the meditation room. You say, oh, so they must be very spiritual here at the UN.

Well, we found out, and it was something I found through Gary Allen's writings many, many years before that, that it was the Lucius Trust that maintains the meditation room at the UN. The Lucius Trust used to be called the Lucifer Trust, but the name Lucifer had a negative connotation with some people for some reason.

It just didn't sit well with some people. I think it was a glaring revelation of what their true intentions are, and they decided to name it the Lucius Trust, which doesn't really tell you too much. Well, if.

Anybody wants to order that book, which I just discovered right now, may be purchased from the Camp Constitution website, campconstitution .net, campconstitution .net. Ask for Freedom on the Altar, the UN's Crusade Against God and Family by William Norman Grigg, G-R-I-G-G.

And sure do miss William. He was a.

Dear, dear brother. I remember we sponsored William, a speech of his in October of 2001, and he made some interesting comments. One of them was, every time you say, you have to say, when you spell communism, you have to spell out U-N, C-O-M-M-U-N.

He had a great sense of humor. Yes, he did, and he was brilliant. I used to tell people that if you ride around with Will for a day or two, I said it should be worth several college credits. Yes, he had a nickname.

Thesaurus Rex, because of his vocabulary, his vast vocabulary. And if anybody wants to listen to a tribute I paid to William Norman Grigg, go to the Iron Sharpens Iron Radio website, ironsharpensironradio .com, and type in the search engine, Grigg, G-R-I-G-G, and a couple of the interviews I had with William will appear.

I've got to have my webmaster, Eric Nielsen, dig up some older interviews that I had with William, because I don't see them on the screen right now as I'm looking at it, especially the one that was specifically on his book, Freedom on the Altar.

I'm not sure why that isn't on there right now, but I'm gonna try my best to get that back up there. Many of those older programs were conducted in a day when I wasn't archiving them. I was new to hosting my own radio show, although I had worked in radio since the 1980s.

I didn't have my own radio show till 2005, and it took a while to get used to being someone with all those responsibilities of hosting a show, but I am thankful that Eric Nielsen is now keeping up with all of that for the broadcasts that I conduct now and have been doing since 2005.

But first of all, I want to.

Mention too that Norman Grigg wrote a book called Global Gun Grab, which was a small paperback. The cover of it had a handgun with a twisted barrel. It's a statue in front of the UN, one of the entranceways, and when the book came out, and I remember there was a Professor Nutter, that was his real name, and he was hired by local police departments to train police departments to spot so-called right-wing extremists or whatever they call them, and he made reference to his book.

So Will had a great... He got a hold of Nutter, and Nutter said, do you really think the UN is trying to take our guns away? He said, Professor Nutter, have you ever been to the UN headquarters in New York City?

He says, yes, I have. Have you noticed the handgun, the statue of a handgun, with the barrel twisted? He said, yes, I have. He said, Professor Nutter, where we come from, we call that a clue.

And of course, liberals who would love what that statue symbolizes are thinking and speaking and believing and behaving in great ignorance, because if that day ever comes where the citizens of the United States are completely without firearms, these liberals may come to realize that even they will be slaves of the government, and who knows, may wind up in concentration camps like the Jews did in Nazi Germany.

Imagine if it was a common thing for a Jewish household to be fully armed back then. I don't know how successful they would have been in completely and totally standing off with the Nazis, but it would have took them.

Longer, I'll tell you that much. Well, we look at we look at the Warsaw Uprising. Yes. Back, I think, in 1944. In the ghetto. Yes, when they had no option but to fight back. And while they weren't successful, they were able to hold about a division or more with just a handful of weapons.

So sometimes, and like our friend Charles Van Wyk, who chased four communist terrorists out of his church, he'll be one of the presenters this weekend. Back 20, 30 years ago, all he had was a 38 stub nose and five rounds, and he was able to save the lives of, there was a thousand people in that church, and they came in, they killed 11, wounded about a dozen, and Charles had a, he had a, he was able to get some clean shots off, and they ran, thinking that there were other armed people.

And because of that, he was able to save many more lives. Their goal was to kill every single man, woman, and child in that church, and they were not successful. Hmm. Well, tell our listeners about Camp Constitution.

Well, yes, Camp Constitution is a New Hampshire-based charitable trust. We were founded back in 2008, 2009. We run a week-long family camp, and we just had our camp this past July, as well as we have weekend retreats, ladies retreats.

We have a family retreat coming up the end of this month, and a Camp Sentinel, which is a Christian camp in Tuftonboro, New Hampshire. It's a Friday, September 29th to October 1st. We also host the Samuel Blumenfeld Archives, and I'm sure if you knew Will Grigg, you probably knew Sam Blumenfeld.

I didn't know him, but I knew who he was. Oh, yes. Or is. Sam was a dear, yeah, well, he passed away in 15. Oh, okay. Sam was, yeah, he was a dear friend of mine, and he was also one of our instructors, but more importantly, he was a pioneer in the homeschool movement, and he left me his, yeah, he left me his papers and his writings, and over 200 legal-sized boxes, as well as shopping bags, and with that, we digitized most of that library, including his speech.

We had speeches on cassettes and reel-to-reels. We had his books. We had his writings. In fact, he was a very good friend of Reverend Rushdooney, Rushdooney,.

And he wrote for the Calcedon Report. Yes, I used to see his articles in there when they had a, when they had a hardcopy magazine that they mailed out. They did,.

That's right, that's right. He was a regular contributor. He wrote, he was one of the first to acknowledge that we have been being deliberately dumbed down. He recognized that in the early 60s, when he was an editor at CrossFit and Dunlop, and a friend of his, who was an attorney, a New York City attorney, said, Sam, I'm starting a reading reform group.

He said, why would you need that? He said, reading is so simple. All you have to do is learn the phonics, learn the sounds, and bingo, you're a good reader. He said, Sam, you got to read a book by Rudolf Fleischko, Why Johnny Can't Read, and that book changed his life, and he later became, he came to have a knowledge of Christ, and he wrote, his essay was never published publicly.

It was, Why I Became a Christian, and then he wrote a second one, Why I Became a Calvinist. So, he was from a Jewish background, but he became a.

Jewish tulip. I'm surprised that the Chalcedon Foundation has not brought.

That into print. Well, we have it available, and if you go to the, yeah, if you go to our website, campconstitution .net, you'll see the drop-down, Blumenfeld Archive, and all we need is from, to sign up is an email address and a username, and you have unlimited access to it, and you can spend days and days listening to all the recordings, the video, watching the videos, and his essays, his newsletter.

He did an incredible amount of newsletters. Some of them are pretty timeless, and he did have that, I think you'll see his essays, you'll see one of them entitled, well, two, Why I Became a Christian, and the second one was, Why I Became a Calvinist.

So, that's great. What brought up the Christianity, now, he was a pretty much a secular, he said he lost his faith, he was a nominal Jew, you know, they might have observed holidays, yeah, there's a God, but he wasn't too excited about it.

After his dad died, he became a, what he said, a sad atheist, but he was doing some research onto the history of education in the United States, and it brought him to the New England Calvinists, and it was then he read John Calvin's book, Institutes, and that led him, some people just pick up a simple Bible track, he has to read this really, this very heavy tome, and that's what led him to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ, so we were very, very happy about that.

But it's a great, great place to get information, and Sam actually, getting back to the UN for a second, Sam was friends of a man named Dr. Mose Shombe, I hope I'm pronouncing his name right, he was the president of a province in what used to be called the Belgian Congo, called Gatenga, and he had seceded from the Congo, now it's Zaire, when a pro-communist or a communist leader, Patrus Lumumba, came into power, and the United Nations waged an aggressive war against this peaceful province that, the reason why they went after him is because they had uranium and other minerals, but Shombe was a pro-westerner, he was a Christian man, and Sam interviewed him when he was in exile in Spain, back in the early 60s, and Sam interviewed him in French, now we have an English translation, of course, that's available, it was interesting that Sam made reference to the conspiracy, and Shombe says, Ma oui, la force occulte, that's what he referred to as the conspiracy, and for folks who don't know what happened in Gatenga, the United Nations, mainly using white Irish soldiers, bombed hospitals, murdered and raped, these are the so called peacekeepers, and there was actually some doctors, they were based in France, I believe, 46, there was a book called 46 Doctors, and they appealed to the leaders of the world that this carnage must stop, they've appealed to the Vatican, they appealed to Washington, they appealed to all the capitals in Europe, and the answer was, more guns, more soldiers, etc., etc., and they subjugated that poor province of Gatenga that had a growing middle class, they had, they were Muslims and Christians and Jews got along fine, which doesn't happen much in today's world, and they took him down, and it was a tragedy, but it was the so-called UN peacekeepers that did this, and you can actually see a documentary, a film that was made, just called Gatenga, you can go on YouTube and find it, and that's one, that's one of the very early instances of the UN showing its true hand, its true totalitarian hand.

Camp Constitution, Samuel Blumenfeld, and the UN in Africa

Now, before we get into.

The topic, let's hear more about some details on exactly how Camp Constitution functions and so on, and how families and churches in our audience can actually take advantage physically of this thing that you have to offer.

Well,.

We have our one-week family camp, next year will be July 14th to the 19th, and we have programs for all ages, and it's a family camp where whole families come, we have in-laws, grandparents, and we have programs for, I think, from four years old up till adults, and a typical day, we have three classes in the morning, we have morning devotions, it's a non-denominational camp, so people from, you know, we're Christ-centered, but we're not denominational-centered, so we have some, I think, some of the world's top instructors, people like Professor Willie Soon, who's one of the world's top atmospheric scientists, who I believe came to a knowledge of Christ at our camp way back, I think, in 15 or 16, probably somebody, some of the folks may be familiar, we had Pastor Dave Whitney of the Institute on the Constitution, he's a regular instructor at our camp, we did have for a few years a British Lord, Lord Christopher Monckton, we have Tom Dewey's over the years, and we always try to get a couple of new instructors, this, next year we're going to have a lady who played a role in the movie Unplanned, which is the Abby Johnson, oh yeah, yeah, and she was the abortion nurse in the movie, hmm, it was another, it was, it was probably the most, the most important scene in the movie, Julie Wilkinson, but Julie was also an abortion nurse in her unsaved days, and the man who played the abortion doctor in the movie was also a real-life abortion doctor, and now she spends most of her time exposing the abortion industry, and so she's an incredible speaker, and we were supposed to have the youngest state rep, youngest elected official in the country, she couldn't make it, but hopefully we'll get her, maybe she won't be the youngest next year, she's a state rep from New Hampshire, she's 18 years of age, and she got elected when she had just turned 18, and so she's very encouraging, she's a staunch constitutionalist, Valerie McDonald, and we, we also have Alex Newman, I'm sure somebody you're familiar with, Alex is, Alex really, he and Sam Blumenfeld co-authored Sam's last book called Crimes of the Educators, and Alex has a show on frank speech, which, as well as other formats, and in addition to the great instruction, we have a lot of wholesome activity, we go on field trips, when we were closer to Boston, we had a camp that was about 90 minutes away, we would go to Concord, Lexington, and, and see the sites there, and the statehouse, but now we're in New Hampshire, so we, but this, New England, as well as Pennsylvania, has history, it's plenty of history, so in the evening, we have an evening campfire, where campers will maybe display their musical talents, so we sing a lot of the, some of the hymns, and some of the old-fashioned, even corny songs, and corny jokes, but it's just a great experience, and what's great, we get new people, we, we do attract a lot of homeschoolers, we have information tables at homeschool shows around the region, I hadn't been to CHAPS, but I've been to the one in Pennsylvania for about four or five years in a row, the Christian Homeschools of Pennsylvania, and so that tends to be our targeted market, and it's just a great time, and we have people that ask us, why can't it be two weeks, you know, and this year, we had a lot of the young ladies coming for the first time, and they were crying, because they had such a great time, they didn't want to have it to end.

We videotape all of our classes, and some of our activity, we also have marksmanship, we, this year, we had a man who actually trains for, trains churches, dealing with active shooters, and he, not only did he give a good class on the subject, but he also, he and his colleague took about 15 to 20 young people who had never fired before, maybe it was more, maybe close to 30, who had never fired before, and left there as pretty well knowledgeable in the, that incredible important thing of the, the right to keep and bear arms.

Well, no, we do, we do things around the, we do have a weekend camp, I said, coming up, so it's just a camp, like, just on a smaller version. We have a ladies retreat, and I mentioned the Blumenfeld Archive, we have a channel with a Rumble channel, as well as YouTube channel, and we have a radio show, which is, which you can get on Potomatic, it's a, we actually broadcast out of, it's WBCQ, the planet is the radio station, but we brought, we, we archive most of these shows, and you can pick them up on Potomatic, just put in Camp Constitution.

How Camp Constitution Serves Families, Homeschoolers, and the Right to Keep and Bear Arms

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Shirtless is actually what I meant to say but anyway as I said before the break we have a tradition here where whenever we have a first-time guest we have the guests to give a summary of their.

Salvation testimony and I'd love to hear yours. Well yes well I was raised in a congregational church that at that time in the 60s early 70s was Bible believing and I attended a week-long camp in Northfield Massachusetts where there used to be a prep school at schools a Christian prep school and I made a profession of faith.

I remember getting a Bible and the pastors had John 3 16 underlined in there and I was active in the church but my teenage 16 to 17 and older I was backslidden. I kind of embraced an agnosticism and but it was when I was 27 years old is when I and I was always a conservative minded person.

I was never some leftist. I remember watching some of the cable TV televangelist and would you know these by they're just in for the money and as God was getting my attention I started slowing down and start listening to some of these people and I had a very unusual experience and I have a I still have it.

I have this mahogany bookcase glass doors and it was in the afternoon I was working a night shift at the time and there was a series of articles in the local newspaper the Boston Herald about us about a exorcism that a priest was performing in the North Shore of Boston and I read the article and I said this is a bunch of baloney and I put it down and I took a little nap and I woke up when the door of my bookcase popped open and the books fell to the floor and then the door slammed shut and my good my heart was racing.

I went to get my I had to calm down and get my landlord who was a friend I said just kind of quiet maybe you can explain what happened. Well the simple thing is a dowel from the shelf fell and the momentum of the weight of the books forced the doors to shut slam shut and in my panic I'm thinking oh we got demons in the house I gotta move I gotta solve my house I mean I gotta move I gotta find another apartment etc and God was getting my attention because I thought well if there's no God there is a if there's a devil there's got to be a God and that sort of slowly led me back into God's grace and I attended a few different churches and met a wonderful Christian woman and we've been happily married for 30 plus years with four beautiful homeschooled my youngest is now in her second year at Liberty University and so I started learning more about the Calvinist perspective.

Of course a lot of people in the Christian community pre-trib pre-tribulation is and it was through a gentleman who was from lived in Pennsylvania Tom Parsley back in the early 90s. And then of course I met Sam Blumenfeld and Sam introduced me to the Chalcedon Foundation and I was very just very much impressed by the scholarship and just their dedication and their knowledge of Scripture and the history of the church too.

It's amazing how few Christians really know much about their their incredible Christian history. Well.

Great. Well we all rejoice in knowing that the the Lord of hosts rescued you from yourself and the devil and damnation and are now a brother in Christ. Well now let's set the stage for our main topic today.

The United Nations is an institution that many people in the United States maybe even most look upon as a bulwark for keeping peace in the world. And they when they hear people like us talking about we've got to get the United States out of the United Nations they look at us as nut jobs.

Obviously they think that we are unnecessarily raising the ire of all of the other nations in the globe who are a part of the United Nations that somehow if if we were to get our wish and we did remove ourselves from the United Nations and go I'll go even a step further kick the United Nations out of the United States.

That it would be a suicidal effort. And I'm sure obviously judging from the theme of our program today you vehemently and vociferously disagree with that. So why don't you first of all tell us when and why the United Nation was founded.

Why the United Nations Was Founded and Why Its Origins Matter

Well it was founded in 1945.

In San Francisco and they had a meeting prior to that in DC Dunbarton are done. Barton Oaks I think is the name of the community where they had their early meeting. And in Washington in San Francisco it was right towards the end of World War two and there was a what we say a war weary world say that three times real fast I have trouble with it and they thought well if we the League of Nations which was an early attempt to have a world government or a world entity the United States did not join wisely.

And they thought okay we need to have this entity that will prevent more world wars. And what people don't realize is that the man who was the first the first man who was the acting secretary general Alger Hiss was a Soviet agent.

So I kind of beg the question what possible good can come out of any entity that was founded by a Soviet agent. A man who was not just a Soviet agent but an agent of Joe Stalin one of the most wicked men of the easily the 20th century maybe of the history of mankind and people.