New Age - Cults & The Occult Lesson # 1

So tonight we're going to begin our study of world religions more specifically the cults and the occult

We're going to begin with the New Age movement So how many of you have heard somebody say something to the effect that I'm spiritual, but I'm not religious

Have you heard anyone say that? Or they're not really interested in organized

Religion they are interested though in spirituality But they don't think that any one religion is correct or maybe they have a co -exist bumper sticker

On their car. Well, if you've heard that you've heard people say those things that could be an indicator

It's not proof, but it could be an indicator that that person at least has been influenced by the

New Age movement Some of you who are older will remember this back in the 1960s.

I guess it was 1970s were there all of a sudden was this talk about the age of Aquarius Well, that is the

New Age The New Age is the age of Aquarius.

So it was around that time in the 60s The thing started to change people's ideas about religion started

Started to change people were less dogmatic more open to new ideas Proselytizing became

Taboo like you're not supposed to convert people all of a sudden that became offensive doctrine and absolute truth

We're starting to be pushed out the door and people just were just a little more free a little more open -minded

They didn't believe that any one System of religion was the truth.

Everyone has their own path. And now that's just the way most people think so You know, you need to be true to yourself.

These are all familiar things that we hear They're very closely associated with this

New Age movement. So let's turn to 1st Thessalonians chapter 5 So what is

New Age You can't really call it a cult Since it's not really an organized faith

There's no centralized Leadership, so it's kind of hard to pin down But the most famous New Age leaders

The names that everyone would know are Shirley MacLaine, right the actress

Oprah Winfrey Everybody knows Oprah and then Deepak Chopra.

So these are probably the most well -known names in New Age There are not really any officially defined

Doctrines, it's sort of sort of a mixture of Spirituality Social trends political forces that all mixed up together

But we're going to go through some of the defining marks of the New Age movement. This term New Age has been around for about 50 60 years and it's described as a utopian vision

Where we are entering in or beginning to enter into the new age the age of Aquarius Where there is going to be more harmony

Basically human progress people are going to become Enlightened before we look at this scripture just some statistics over 12 million

Americans are involved in the New Age movement and another 30 million are avidly interested

Just in comparison There are 8 million Mormons in the

United States in 1 .3 Million Jehovah's Witnesses, so think about that Jehovah's Witnesses 1 .3

Mormons 8 million how many New Age? 12 with another 30 interested and much more again have been influenced by it so look at 1st

Thessalonians 5 21 through 23 this Really describes Why I'm doing this study what my approach is going to be what this is all about 1st

Thessalonians 5 21 through 23 says test all things and hold fast

What is good? abstain from every form of evil and now may the

God of peace himself sanctify you completely and may your whole spirit

Soul and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our

Lord Jesus Christ So just that first statement test all things hold fast that which is good.

That's what we want to do. We want to test the New Age movement and Look at it.

See what people believe what they're saying and compare it to what the Bible says

So test all things hold fast that which is good. I Talk about this stuff so that you are equipped so that you have the information so that you know some of the arguments

Against it. Okay. This is what they say, but here's what the Bible says I mean we could continue our study in Matthew and I we will at some point

But most of you have heard you've read the gospel of Matthew. You've heard preaching from the gospel some of you for 50 or 60 years

Maybe you've never heard a study on this. So I think this is important Instead of just kind of going over things that you've heard before we need to we need to test all things

So let's go through some of the defining marks of the New Age movement number one religious

Syncretism, so this is the blending of all faiths together. So here's the thing a

New Ager can take Christianity Hinduism Buddhism You know, just kind of blend it all together and pick and choose what they what they like New Age thinkers are open to all sorts of different things

But one thing they are not open to is a truth claim of exclusivity

So if you want to talk about your faith, that's fine As long as you don't say

Jesus Christ is the only way to God that they don't like You can pretty much believe what you want, but if you say hey we have the truth

Jesus Said he's the way the truth and the life. No man comes unto the Father except through me

John 14 verse 6 That's something they would be against or they would redefine it that well

Yeah, Jesus, he's a way but he's not the way. Okay. So number one religious

Syncretism and If you have any questions, just raise your hand as we go along or anything you want to contribute.

Just let me know Another defining mark of New Age is the concept of monism.

I Don't want to get too much into philosophy but there's monism there is

Dualism basically, this is the idea that reality is not made up of material and immaterial

You know physical things and spiritual things New Age people believe that all is one all is one and one is all

Which would mean that there is no God out there who's distinct from his creation

What do we believe as Christians that there is a God and there was a time when all of this didn't exist

So we believe that God exists and that he is separate from his creation

God isn't me and I'm not God that seems pretty basic, right? But in New Age thought

Everything is everything all it all is one and one is all so they see no distinction of body in spirit

Everything is one and this closely connects to the next mark of the

New Age Their concept of God is what what is it mark? Their concept they're not monotheists.

They are what? Pantheists Right So God is in everything

God is Everything right all is one one is all does this sound confusing to you like this just this just isn't the way

People in the Western world typically think we don't think of it that way Sometimes just can't even really comprehend what's being said, but yeah pantheism basically is

I'm God You're God, you know, this this computer is

God the trees are God the rocks are everything is God Well, if everything is

God then nothing is God. That's what I would argue. But this is this is the concept of monism and then

Pantheism and of course that leads to the next mark the deification of humanity

So if God is pantheistic if God is everything then you are

What? Yeah, you are God so the deification of humanity

So if God is everything then we are divine we are divine beings So we just need to realize that you just need to realize you're divine come to that You know that divine consciousness and Then you can unlock your potential and since the mind in the body are one

You know if you're sick Well, it's like mind over matter. Well, they're what if you think and believe that you're well, there is healing

From your mind say I see some confused looks and I don't I don't get it and that doesn't make sense well, but this is just a totally different way of viewing reality that everything is

Connected but sometimes you hear preaching That sounds a lot like this

You know that you are little gods and if you just speak the word and believe it hard enough, you know you can kind of create your own reality and you can be healed if you just believe and So there are parts of the

Bible that they can kind of twist and manipulate to make it sound that this is New Age But it actually sounds

Christian and Christian sounds new way and it you can kind of go back and forth So the idea is that people can tap into the same awareness in grand consciousness of life so that you reach this place place of self actualization which

Psychologists say that only 10 % or less of people on earth have reached this level where all your

Emotional needs physical needs spiritual needs all your needs have been met You come to this place where you are completely fulfilled in at peace and you reach that sort of higher level

It's like a state of enlightenment Okay, so some of you probably looked up New Age during the week is this sounding familiar

Is this the type of thing that you found? Okay, who's ever seen a picture and there's a lot of Christian it's not art, but memes

I guess but Who's ever seen a picture of somebody standing in front of the ocean or standing, you know on a mountaintop and they're like this right

You probably see and I'm not saying if some Christian posted something on Facebook and there's some guy like this

And there's a Bible verse that they're secretly New Age not saying that because this stuff is everywhere But that's that's kind of a symbol of that person on the mountaintop in front of the ocean with their arms outstretched that they've kind of realized that they are connected to to everything and they have kind of realized that There's this connection and they are they are almost

Well, they are divine. Well The biblical teaching of course is contrary to this

Somebody asked me is this new is the New Age movement new I said no If these are all ideas that have been around a long long time

It's like this idea that you are divine. Well, what was the first temptation in the garden?

The devil said to Eve if you eat of the fruit you shall be like what? Yeah, you will be like God.

So whatever it is. We see here The Bible addresses it somewhere. So none of this is actually new and of course the concept of salvation

Salvation for the New Ager is where found in Jesus Christ who's in heaven. No salvation is is within you

So let's turn to Hebrews chapter 9 So in Christianity, we believe

God is a personal being he is separate from his creation We are not

God we are below God are you how are you comfortable saying that yeah, we are we are way below God We believe that mankind is corrupt, but the

New Ager they find that offensive. No, you're you're divine You just need to realize that so when somebody comes along and teaches the

Bible that mankind is actually sinful and corrupt What does the scripture say? Let God be true and every man a liar see that's what they would be against So they're pretty much open to all sorts of different ideas but biblical truth, they're very much against it

All right. So the next mark of New Age is the belief in heaven and hell

No, you need to get rid of that thinking New Agers typically believe in what?

Yeah reincarnation The idea that you will come back in another form after all you're part of the divine

So everything is connected reincarnation comes from what religion originally

Well Hinduism and then Buddhism, but Hindus there's a difference So again

New Age is is not new really but they take old ideas and just put a new spin on it

Hindus who originally believed they were the first ones to believe in reincarnation

Hindus are taught to deny self and To deny the things of this world

New Agers on the other hand affirm self and they affirm

And glorify some of the things of this world. So they're similar and but not the same. So what does the

Bible say about reincarnation? You might say well, it doesn't really address reincarnation specifically look at Hebrews 9 27

The scripture teaches that it is appointed unto man once to die and after this you come back as as a dog or a cat or whatever

No, it's appointed unto man wants to die and after this the judgment So I know

Christians have been affected by New Age because when people preach the Bible And what the scripture says about the final judgment

God having wrath I know there are people in churches who react negatively against that And I've heard

Christians say things like, you know, if somebody's talking about God's wrath or you know The final judgment and I've heard even pastors say this that that person has a religious spirit

Or they when they talk about religion, they're very down on religion is bad so if somebody's talking about God having wrath that person just has a

Religious spirit. So the idea is with New Age if you say things that are negative

That's bad, that's you know, typical religion they reject it and let's face it death judgment

Like that is negative, isn't it? So New Agers tend to be very

Positive or they try to be very positive everything they say Typically when you listen to them

It's not positive only because they do react negatively towards, you know Christianity and claims of absolute truth, but they they typically try to sound at least positive

It was around this time the New Age movement started That you saw this trend in Christianity the power of positive thinking who remembers that?

yeah, and That is kind of morphed into today with evangelicalism.

The most popular ministries are basically positive only Preachers and they have some

New Age ideas The that were little gods if you were preachers, this was a big thing 20 years ago, or if you make declarations, you know,

I decree or I declare and you you say things that are not Actually happening yet But you speak these words of faith over your life in words are containers of power

So you can kind of create your own reality, you know TV preachers are famous for that be positive

Speak what you want to come to pass believe it and it will take place

Well, I mean that is similar to New Age. So some of the televangelists in a sense they're like they're like gurus and They're those same people have a very inclusive attitude towards other religions

You will never hear them preach against other religions because I would argue they're Influenced by New Age thought so here's the thing to watch out for just as a

Christian the positive only preaching that can be a gateway into New Age because there's a lot of overlap and Speaking of Oprah as one of the kind of New Age gurus

If Oprah is that if you ever seen Oprah promoting a Christian or a preacher? I mean that kind of tells you something.

All right, any questions or comments so far any of this sound familiar? All right, another thing that's common in New Age is the use of crystals now

I want to be careful just because somebody maybe wears a necklace and a crystal or they have crystals

That doesn't mean that they're wrapped up in the New Age. Okay, but crystals

Supposedly in New Age thought attract and store spiritual energy I remember

I used to work with a guy and he told me how you know his wife she had back problems and she put these crystals under the mattress and like the next day her back was healed and they were they

Were into New Age, although I don't know if they use that that term But New Age believers

Think that to harmonize ourselves with the universe that can be done through the vibrations created by crystals

And if this sounds strange, I'm just reading what what I discovered Crystals are used for a number of things like psychic healing

Getting in contact with spirits and reaching a higher Consciousness.

So the idea is the energy from crystals they say Can be released by holding them

Meditating upon them or simply wearing the crystal around your neck just being close to it can have that positive

Effect. All right, let's turn to Deuteronomy chapter 18. And again, some people might just wear it for a fashion statement, but So it doesn't prove anything.

Just like if somebody says well, I'm spiritual but not religious then Doesn't mean that they're in the

New Age religion I mean, they may be they might not be but these are things that are common To New Age.

I Personally know somebody who got mixed up with crystals and these rocks and this is just what they told me

They said they were using crystals to communicate with the spiritual realm and they told me they did get in contact with a spirit and Whatever happened to them that caused them to leave the

New Age movement Now that they're out of the New Age movement, they recognized that that spirit was a demon and they

Personally believe they are possessed by a demon Again, I I don't know that that actually happened.

I'm just telling you what the person told me Now obviously within New Age New Age people would not identify these spirits as demons

But as Christians if we believe the Bible we don't believe in ghosts Like in a haunted house when somebody dies their ghost remain we don't believe that But we do believe in angels and demons the scripture does teach angels and demons.

So any spirit that you would contact Would be if you do contact the spirit

Presumably that would be a what? What the what the scriptures that calls an unclean spirit or a demon?

All right, look at Deuteronomy 18 9 through 12 So the New Age is very open about Contacting spirits and this spirit can act as a guide the

Bible does directly address that Deuteronomy 18 9 through 12 Says when you come into the land, which the

Lord your God is giving you you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations

There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire or one who?

practices witchcraft or a soothsayer or one who interprets omens or a sorcerer or One who conjures spells or a medium or a spiritist or one who calls up the dead another term for calling up the dead would be necromancy you remember the

King of Israel Saul he went and Visited the witch at Endor and he wanted to contact

Samuel. What was the problem with that Samuel was dead and The witch at Endor Contacted a

Spirit and up came well, it says Samuel, but we don't know that that was actually Samuel it could have been a one -time event where he actually contacted

Samuel, but It's also possible that Saul Encountered a demon either way the next day.

He was dead Deuteronomy 18 verse 12. So all those who practice soothsaying

Necromancy witchcraft, what does the scripture say and this is the Lord speaking for all who do these things are what?

an abomination to The Lord so for that reason alone the

New Age movement would be completely incompatible with biblical Christianity, you know, and if there's anyone here or watching online,

I realize that people in churches Probably people in this room have in the past dabbled with things like this and we believe in forgiveness

And we would encourage people obviously not to do that if especially with young people

Don't get involved because the idea is well witchcraft, you know, it's like Harry Potter It's not real and it's just fun and make -believe

Well, the stuff in the movies is make -believe but people who actually dabble with this stuff in real life

I've heard many many people say no, I actually experienced something very dark and it was real and This is something we want to avoid but there is forgiveness

Of course, if if a person would turn away from it Okay, so hopefully at this point you can see that New Age and biblical

Christianity are completely at odds with one another Any questions so far

This next one I really find interesting the next mark of the

New Age is belief in the New World Order Who's heard of the

New World Order? Yeah, I think everyone's heard of it now because the past two years

There's been a lot of tights kind of the idea has kind of gone Mainstream if you talked about the

New World Order ten years ago people would have thought you know, you're one of these crazy Conspiracy theorists, but now it's talked about openly so New Agers believe in a coming

New World Order one author wrote this a Cosmic evolutionary optimism is taught that there is a new age coming

There will be a new world order a new world government New Age thinkers believe that there will eventually be a progressive unification of world

Consciousness so they believe the whole world is going to come together. There will be one governing body

There will be one world religion and then we believe as Christians In the one world economy because let's turn to Revelation chapter 13

Because the Bible talks about this the New World Order The whole idea of a coming utopia is nothing new

These are just old ideas being repackaged I did a sermon a couple years ago titled

Babylon and the New World Order and that's all it is It's the spirit of Babylon remember Nimrod the

Tower of Babel. He wanted to build Make a name for themselves can have a one world religion

Just bring everybody together around the Tower of Babel and what did God want? God said no and he spread people out

God wanted different nations Different languages, but they want to bring everyone together and now that sounds good, right?

Yeah, let's let's all come together well The world will come together

According to the Bible, but it will be under the leadership of who? No, well that will happen one day but before the world comes together

Yeah under Christ. It's going to come together first under Antichrist Okay, so let's look at Revelation 13 verse 1

The Apostle John writes then I stood on the sand of the sea and I saw a beast rising up out of the sea

Having seven heads and ten horns and on his horns ten crowns and on his heads a blasphemous

Name so this beast that comes up out of the sea is most commonly referred to by Christians as the

Antichrist So the beast or the Antichrist and then in verse 11 You see another beast who is identified as the false prophet in Revelation 16 verse 13 it specifically talks about the beast the false prophet and who's the third member of this

Satanic Trinity if you will The dragon so it's the dragon the beast and the false prophet

What did the Apostles of Jesus teach and 2nd Corinthians 4 for they said that?

Satan they believe that Satan is the god of this age Right Satan is the prince of the power of the air.

So who is in control of the world right now? Yeah, this is the devil's

Kingdom if you will remember in the temptation of Jesus the devil offered

Jesus the kingdoms of this world if he would bow down and worship him and the devil could offer that because they

Are under his control? so This world is under the control of Satan right now

So at the end of days the new world order will be brought in there will be a one world government

Along with a one world religion. I would argue the one world religion in in a sense is already here

It's called ecumenism Or we talk about the ecumenical movement, but basically the idea that all religions are equal

So all religions can come together You know, you can have your headscarf.

You can burn your incense. You can have your holy day Everyone can do their own thing, but we're all the same level.

We all have many paths to God So let's all come together and get along. I think that's the new the new age religion the new world

Order religion as long as you don't say that my way is correct and you need to convert.

That's the one thing they will not tolerate But you can believe what you want as long as you don't say that All right, so you're in Matthew or excuse me

Revelation 13 Verse 3 says that the world Marveled and followed the beast.

So the whole world is following who? the beast or the Antichrist Verse 4 says that the whole world

Worships him. So that's one world government one world religion And then you see the one world economic system in verses 16 and 17

He the false prophet says causes all Both small and great rich and poor free and slave

To receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads that no one may be able to buy or sell

Except the one who has the mark or the name of the beast or the number of his name here is wisdom

Let him who has understanding Calculate the number of the beast for it is the number of a man his number is and you've heard this before his number is 6 6 -6 we don't know exactly what that's going to look like.

But when the time comes People will be able to identify what the mark of the beast is

So this is the coming New World Order and it's just interesting that now you have world rulers and you have people in the

New Age movement openly admitting that hey We want the New World Order and New Age people believe that it will

Come in sometime in the middle of this century. So they're predicting the

New World Order in the next What 20 30 40 years does that prove that it's going to happen?

No, but this is the belief out there All right. You understand that the whole concept of the

New World Order? Right who's heard of the

World Economic Forum Davos is it Switzerland? Yeah.

Yeah Yeah, and they're the they're sort of the architects They say by the year what one campaign they put out last year is by the year 2030 you will own nothing and you'll be happy One of their people just last week it came out that they said, you know, the average citizen

Does not have the right to own a car, you know because of climate change and whatever So there's all this pollution so people shouldn't own their own car

So what they want is they want to organize a Governing body that will dictate to the world what you can do and what you can't do.

I Mean that is happening whether or not they accomplish it whether or not that is the

New World Order I mean that remains to be seen but the point is this is not conspiracy

There's like this is happening in the open right now. People are talking like this So it's just a matter of time before one day it actually takes place

But it would that kind of thinking would be in line with with the new age Because we're now we're entering into this new era and people are more enlightened and there's a select few who really get it

And you know, everybody else you just don't understand. We know what's best for you

So we're gonna create the rules and you're gonna do what we say that that's the way it kind of works any other comments or Questions on that Okay, so just a recap

In the New Age movement, there is no one faith. That is correct Well, everybody has the spark of divinity.

So Muslim Buddhist Christian That's fine. You can believe what you want long as you don't say one religion is the the true religion

They believe that God is what? God is whoever you want him to be or whoever you want her to be or whoever you want it to be

God is basically a a concept God is everything everything is

God. So God is more of an impersonal force or a divine principle Does that contradict the

Bible Obviously why because Jesus was a person God the Father is a

Person and God the Father is referred to by the masculine pronouns

He and him and the Holy Spirit is referred to as he and him So when you hear someone talking about God as a her they don't actually think

God is a woman. They're just rejecting the old Way of thinking so that is more

New Age New Age thought So The truth is what it's what you want it to be you can have your truth and all have my truth

Doesn't that sound great? We can all have our own our own truth New New Age teachers say that salvation depends on you

Here's one quote that I found the tragedy of the human race is that you don't realize that you're divine

People are trapped by their own Misconceptions, so what you really need you need transformation you need a new consciousness

Can you understand why people are attracted to this? I I can totally see it

You know There's here's a Christian preacher and he's teaching to all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God You need to repent and you need to believe on Jesus because there's a judge

You know people hear that and they're turned off like I don't want to hear this But when someone says, you know, you you are a god

You are good Salvation is within you. You know, you can have your own truth.

You basically hey That's the temptation of the devil. You will be like God you will decide what's right and wrong

You have your own path. See this is what people want this appeals to the flesh So the

New Age movement Probably even though it's kind of flying under the radar one person

Compared it to an onion that it grows underground and has many layers, you know, and it stinks probably is another

Flying under the radar most people maybe they heard about it somewhere, but you don't realize how

Much of an effect it's having how many people you know, this mindset is capturing so What if somebody is teaching

New Age? Religion and I'm just going to use Oprah because every article I read every book, you know every internet website

Wherever I looked about New Age. Oprah is always the one mentioned. I think she is probably the most well -known

Person, so what if you come across someone like Oprah Winfrey? She and Oprah talks about religion a lot and Oprah maybe you know this maybe you don't she identifies as a

Christian Yeah, she's I'm a Christian. I watched one video where she was and I thought about playing one and maybe we'll

Play some clips with some of the other topics, but you know, she was talking about how I'm a

Christian and She's like if you're interested you can come to me and I'll tell you and I'm like no

She's the last person you want to go to you hear about Christianity, but she's like I'm not talking about religion

She got really stern I'm not talking about religion What's she saying like the

Bible like doctrine like actual concrete things that you can point to like Jesus died for your sin the

Resurrection the Ten Commandments like real stuff. You can sink your teeth into oh, she doesn't want any of that She just wants to retain the label to appear spiritual and then suck you in.

It's like a bait -and -switch Well, I'm a Christian and then here there's a New Age pill. Why don't you swallow that? That's what's happening

And what was my point about Oprah? I brought her up for a reason Okay. Yeah, she she would be one who is teaching

New Age Thought so what should we do? Let's turn to Romans 16.

What does the Bible say? about our response, how should we Respond react to someone who is teaching this you could probably guess

You know the The common attitude is well You know, you can you can listen to what she has to say or Deepak Chopra or one of these other people

They have some good things to say So, you know you you eat the meat and spit out the bone

So take the things that she says that are good and then the things that are off -base just kind of ignore that you can listen

To her with the good stuff Is that what the Apostle Paul would recommend? Do you think the

Apostle Paul would recommend that you? Get your religious teachings from Oprah, I kind of doubt it.

Let's look at what Yeah, and again there

Some of you might maybe you watch Oprah and I'm not saying hey, you've been deceived by the New Age, you know

But you need to be careful because sometimes we can be influenced by something and not even realize it

Here's our response Here's what it should be to New Age teachers Paul says in Romans 16 verse 17 now

I urge you brethren Note those who cause divisions in offenses contrary to the doctrine which you learned and do what?

Avoid them. So if somebody is teaching things contrary to what the Bible teaches

Paul says note that person recognize who they are and avoid them

So that should be our stance towards New Age teachers Just avoid them don't listen to them

Obviously, that's a decision you need to make personally, but that's that's the command of Scripture mark

And avoid so that's that's a teacher though. What about your cousin?

What about your neighbor? What about your co -worker who? Maybe is influenced by the

New Age is dabbling in the New Age Our response towards them is totally different So Shirley MacLaine, okay, she can be she's a talented actress maybe but you know, don't read her books on spirituality

But your neighbor or your co -worker who's being influenced by New Age. We need to be kind to them, right?

We need to patiently teach them What the truth is so we need to patiently come alongside them and guide them into What we're hoping to do is to guide them into a personal relationship with Jesus Don't be harsh with them.

Don't tell them what they believe this stupid and you know, don't react like that Be patient because you know, there was a time where you were

Thinking wrongly there is a time neighbor. Maybe you were mixed up and whatever it is

So we want to be able to come alongside people and in gently guide them in the right direction

That's where you come in. That's where the church comes in and to share with them the truth the gospel of Christ crucified and risen

Human beings are not divine Right human beings have been made in God's image.

That'll be how they twist it Well, we're all made in the image of God. Well, that's true, but we're not all divine

The scripture says we have all sinned in a fallen short of the glory of God So that's the starting point and then we lead them into the truth of the gospel

So I'll close with what Jude says in verses 22 through 25 He says and on some have compassion

Making a distinction but others save with fear pulling them out of the fire

Hating even the garment defiled by the flesh Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy

To God our Savior who alone is wise the glory and majesty dominion and power both now and forever

Amen So you need to make a distinction Is this person a teacher of new age if they are you're probably not going to convince them just stay away

Is somebody being persuaded a dabbling in it? that's the person you need to try to reach and do it with kindness and There's some people that I mean they're diving headfirst into this and it's an urgent thing

That's where you need to make the distinction and that's where it might be appropriate to say. Hey, you know

I care about you and I see where you're going and this road leads to Destruction and there might be a time where you have to come out and kind of put it in more blunt terms

But remember the purpose here is not just to tell somebody they're wrong and prove a point.

What's the purpose? To save people from from the fire and then protect people from others who are teaching

Really? It's it's a doctrine of demons because it goes right back to the original temptation in The garden that you shall be as God's that's what the