April 29, 2021 Show with Dr. James R. White on “A Persecution Survival Guide”

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His name is Dr. James R. White.

He's an author, New Testament Greek scholar, apologist, and pastor at

Apologia Church in Phoenix, Arizona.

He's also the co -founder and director of Alpha and Omega Ministries and the host of the

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And today I'm going to read our theme as if I were Alex Trebek.

Fingerprints, light from the empty tomb, established in the heavens, a cloud

of witnesses, faithful promises.

What are the five foundations for winning the battle in your own mind?

A persecution survival guide.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to the show, Dr. James R. White.

Well, it's good to be with you, Chris, except for the fact that Alex Trebek is dead.

That sort of, you know, is a sad thing because I liked Alex.

Probably by the time he died, the smartest man in the world, if he remembered even a quarter.

So it's, yeah, it's, I'm

not, I'm not sure how to

characterize this Sunday night.

And the discussion,

a number of sermons

would not have really, certainly in the year 2000 or if

I had been a

little more eagle -eyed,

maybe in 2018 or, a lot of people, a lot of

Christians are being forced to think about things.

Pleasant are not the type of things that make people

late, but

we really, really, in some ways,

it's a, we're behind the ball.

It's a little bit late.

But in other ways, better late than never.

We've got to get started on it.

Think about it.

And an excellent sermon.

In fact, I had trouble finding it on the Apology of Church website.

I don't know if there is a trick involved.

A friend of mine actually found it for me.

And by the way, thanks, Rich.

Whatever you did, you stopped the echo.

A friend found it for me and sent it to me, and it's an excellent sermon.

But how can our listeners easily get a hold of that?

Well, I didn't have any problem finding it.

I'm not sure, you know.

I clicked sermons on the Apology of Church website.

Oh, no, no, no, no.

That's, that, okay, no.

That's, yeah.

Well, it seems like a normal thing to do.

Yeah, you would think that.

But that would require the website to actually be current or relevant.

You go, you don't go to, you don't go to ApologyofChurch .com.

You go to YouTube .com.

You go to the Apology of Church, Apology of Videos channel.

And that's where your radio

is, click on videos.

And you've, you've simply titled it Five Foundations.

Right, right.

Yeah, I would just, I'm, and I'm not sure what they titled it, to be honest with you.

That's the way I saw it when I finally got it.

Yeah, it's live, live streamed now on YouTube and Facebook.

For now, I mean,

a time to get far enough down the list to nail us.

But we say all sorts of things that they've banned other people.

That's where it is for now.

And number of months

that we

disobedience, and

we

can't any longer.

Last evening by.

Unfortunately, yes.

Or a facsimile thereof.

As I, as I think about the things that we're

spending on a, on a level that, that would have

made, made

him blush.

That he never could have even conceived.

Everyone needs to, needs to buy.

Mentally, we were listening, presented by the

President of the United States.

Those people who read history,

has

produced in the past.

If traveling had

one day where to the

society in the

United States today,

Berlin would even represent Germany,

West Germany, East

Berlin, communist

appeared into and rarely came back out of

the middle of the night

to somebody else by the next day.

And, and, and your name would just simply disappear.

As I toured that facility and read about its history, I had never heard of it.

Germany.

See that there was a single light bulb.

A

hallway with

a lighting

system

would make sure on floor.

In other words, brainwasher take you down.

Either extract information from you, or if the only person

you would see

would be the guard.

So they're moving lots of prisoners routes.

They

look undo

conditioning

kind of idea.

I, I

read

isolate

them side back

in the

days

of Christ

or Xi

Jinping,

the

state and,

and

the only God will be the state.

In fact, have you seen the movie, which actually I'm quite pleasantly surprised

that Hollywood would have produced and released this movie at this time in

our history, but the courier.

The career.

No, I haven't.

No, the courier.

Oh, the courier.

No, I haven't.

Oh, you've got to see it.

Benedict Cumberbatch plays a, it's a true story about an, a British spy

for Great Britain during the cold war in the Soviet union and

his subsequent arrest and so on.

And the mind torture that he experienced, but I strongly recommend the movie.

It's, it's excellent.

It's true.

And I'm like I said, it's quite interesting and ironic that Hollywood known for its left

leaning on everything.

In fact, the only movie I could think of that's anti -communist other than this movie, it goes

back to red Dawn.

I can't even remember an anti -communist movie other than that.

But I thought Hunter Red October was good too.

Oh yeah. That's right.

Anyway, but yeah, so we know these things are happening and

we know why they're happening.

And when I, what

can be

serious,

I've heard it, unfortunately.

Yeah.

And, and how, and how Jamar Tisby has gone to work for him and, and,

and about how if you, if you deny your racism, it's the greatest evidence of

being convict in one sentence

last night after the press speech, you see the exact same type of thing

condemnation.

There's no argument.

There's no, it's even being

proven left as operated a couple of

weekends ago.

I think

nothing

changes the takeover of the education.

Why so many people here in the United States who came from, were old enough to have come.

They saw this coming.

They're like, wait a minute.

We've, we've heard all this stuff before.

We know what these people are up to.

Where are we going to go now?

We've got no place to go.

We thought we had come to the bastion of freedom.

Anyway, all of that is the background to why I felt

first and

foremost,

obviously I've been called to minister in that particular place is one

of far

and wide.

Basically, I don't want my people, I don't want

to end up in one of these situations and not have

any idea where they can start to try to survive.

You know, we've been joking for a little while now.

Hey, I'll save you a bunk in the gulag, etc.

Certainly there is that.

Want my grandchildren to

meet with other Christians.

That's one context.

And it's a, it's a terrible context, but at least you're around.

Tendency, however, um, of the left is

palatarian mind.

And again,

to get

you to

love big brother, and then they'll kill you.

The idea is that,

that, and then

you can get China,

obviously North Korea, obviously coming

in through a, but

it can't stay there.

A bit like a Monty Python.

You know, when you're not, if you're not male and in your fifties, you have no idea what we're

talking about.

Probably not, unfortunately.

But if, uh, those who, who

do know

what I'm

talking, the issue that I want to do is I want to lay out, and you already read the

five foundations.

I'm not smart enough to have made them rhyme or easy to remember.

Sounded actually like a MacGyver of theology with that, the way you tied all these strange things

together, but they made sense after you went through.

At the end.

Yeah, well, I hope so.

Yeah, I hope so.

Basically just something that someone could maybe put in the fly leaf, their Bible, something that they could

remember.

And so that if you

find yourself, I

can't imagine, I

mean,

even

even

your

mind very, very quickly

to think

about these

things, but obviously just could be enough because

it's going to be

the party.

Eventually justice will be understood again.

I mean, all sorts of,

we ain't getting it anymore because we gave it up.

Light from the established in

the heavens, number three,

find some way of

putting these things together.

And then the fifth.

In fact, we're going to go through all of those foundations when we come back from our first break.

One by one.

If the Lord gives us the time to do that.

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Today we are discussing something very important and very timely, five foundations for winning the battle in your

own mind, a persecution survival guide.

And before you go into those five foundations one by one, just to make some things

clear with our audience.

Number one, you have dismantled or disproven the

stereotype of post -millennialists, which you have recently made that news

public.

That you are indeed a post -millennialist now, but you've dismantled the stereotype that

post -millennialists just believe things are going to get better and better and better and better in an upward arrow

that never points down.

Because you have, although ultimately you have a great optimism for the future, as all

post -millennials do, you don't have great optimism necessarily for the United States or things happening right now, right?

Yeah, you know, I've been a part of

all the great errors and to

create an eschatology based upon things

going wonderful, and then

lots more

times when I had to create,

never to be consistent with the rest of your systematic theology.

My doctrine

made in Christ

my life, at least

as a younger person.

In this situation, you know, someone might say, yeah, if you're a post -millennialist then you should figure there's not going to be any

persecution and everything else.

And that's just simply not the case.

And periods of judgment against societies

and Christ's feet,

to me, and I'm hearing

even the Romans, and when you

think about what it is that is the most

anti -Christ mindset you could—we're literally

teaching—now the

government wants

to have your kids from the time—they

make that sound like this is the government of just 50.

Same for a family.

Teaching children from that age

are fizzing chemicals

that they're ugly bags of mold you

want to use that has—you have no transcendent meaning.

You were never created.

You will never be judged.

And by the way, I'm starting a punk rock band due to a phrase you used in a recent sermon that you

borrowed from Star Trek.

Ugly Bags of Mostly Water.

Ugly Bags of Mostly Water, yeah, I think that would be a great band name, but I think

it probably is copyrighted, and if I know the Star Trek franchise, they

will be beaming you off the planet very, very quickly if you try that.

But that was one of my favorite

silicon -based life

forms, and they're going

to look like ugly bags

of mostly human beings.

Well, in the secular worldview, that's all there is.

That's all you are, and eventually you spring a leak, the water leaks out, and that's it.

There's—all those things are—that is the exact opposite

of Ugly Bags of Mostly Water.

There is nothing to the empty tomb.

There is nothing to

the—from beginning to end.

And so, if 1 Corinthians 15, rain

is an

enemy,

simply sitting there

could be

an even lengthy period of extreme darkness.

Anti -God, anti -Christ, and anti -human worldview

is given free reign

and becomes such a watchword that this

kind of foolishness will never, ever—.

Hearts and minds, that's what I'm saying, because if

communism killed 120—.

Now, do you think I'm being overreaching here when I say—because there are people, obviously, even our

brothers in Christ, maybe even especially the Reformed brothers and sisters, that think

this kind of talk is crazy talk, it's conspiracy theory talk, it's dispensational talk,

and they—.

About what?

About the possibilities of what we're seeing as far as Marxism goes?

Yes, or the takeover of this country that we view as being such a

pristine land of liberty.

And when we think back to Nazi Germany, there were many,

many Jews who were too relaxed and complacent because this was

the hub of the academy.

This was the hub of the arts.

This was the hub of science.

This was not a primitive country.

And yet, look what happened.

I mean, it's amazing when you really think about what happened to Germany.

And therefore, the Jews, many of them, most of them, actually, did not flee.

Obviously, many started to try when it was too late.

But isn't that something that should be a warning sign to all of us today, without being looked upon as

nuts?

I just don't see—I don't understand why so many people

today—I don't understand why the younger

generation—I get

all of that, but should be able to recognize that it

is important any time.

Just listen to some Francis Schaeffer videos, for crying out loud.

But if you would just spend any time looking at history, you'll be able to see the patterns.

You'll be able to see the forms of argumentation.

And as a Christian, with Romans 1 in your arsenal

of governments and the behavior of men, you should be able to see why

tyranny arising amongst men has to be overthrown

by people dedicated to a Judeo -Christian worldview that man is creating the

image of God.

And follow from that, there is the sanctity of life.

There is the need for a rule of law.

There is the need for due process.

All the things came from the Christian worldview.

That doesn't come from paganism.

Get to those

areas.

And so I

heard last night

took place

everything else that we would recognize

when—I don't know if you saw it, but a

funny tweet.

As you know, it took me into my 30s before I figured out what was funny.

You knew me when I was a straight -laced, very unfunny,

conformed Baptist guy that, you know, wasn't sure what to do with this crazy guy that was telling these

funny stories at the beginning of the debate.

But I was a little scared as to what might happen from that.

But there was—.

I did see like an evolution, pardon that phrase, over the years between

terrified and laughing hysterically.

Well, that's true.

And that started, however, I listened to the first debate

again recently.

I flashed back to your face because I had told you.

I had told you what.

Jerry—.

Right at dinner.

Right at dinner before—.

At dinner beforehand, I said, he's going to come in.

He's going to say this, this, this, and this.

And you looked at me like I was—like you were a little bit concerned about how tonight was going to go in

light of what I was saying.

And then when he gets up there, and he almost did it word for word.

I mean, I had said he was going to do the David and Goliath thing.

He did the David and Goliath thing.

He said his books were packed away.

And he said he hadn't had anybody die of coke.

And I think I nailed all of them.

And he did the same thing with Eric Svensson, the same thing word for word.

Well, there you go.

And so I see you standing in the back.

And I had already noticed that some of the pressure was coming off you because the place was packed.

I mean, obviously, you were really worried there could be 12 people there.

And but there—I see you in the back.

And he starts talking.

And I'm just looking at you.

And you're looking at me.

And your eyes keep getting bigger and bigger and bigger.

And at that point, I think that was where it's like, OK, it's going to be all right tonight.

All right.

Yeah.

So how do we get on that?

I don't know how we get—oh, the tweet, about the funny tweet.

I can't find it here.

But it was a—some press person took a picture of

the First Lady on the White House lawn.

And the president is picking—the whole

meme

was, if you're really well -trained and you're paying very close attention, you

might notice a slight difference.

The media treats the current inhabitant of the White House and the previous inhabitant of the

White House.

And the understatement was just really, really, really good because they won't ask him any tough

questions.

And we know that the double standard is obvious.

But the media is completely sold out to this.

There is no free media anymore.

And if anyone tries to do that, you get censored.

And this is Pravda.

This is—we're seeing everything playing out in front of us.

And so I don't know why someone would have the idea—well, OK, I do, I guess.

There are certain people who have been working for

fundamentally—they've

been at

this for a long time.

They didn't just happen in key places

in 2018.

That started a long time ago.

So you say, well, it's planned.

Well, of course it's planned.

I mean, duh, it's the same—it's the exact same playbook that has been played over and over and

over and over and over again.

And once—you know, when people are saying—I started talking about the Great Reset last year, and people are like, oh, man, this

guy's—he's lost his mind.

What's wrong with this man?

There are entire books published called The Great Reset by the people that are doing it.

That's not a conspiracy.

It's just that a lot of people just don't know where to look.

And I didn't know where to look either.

He saw it.

He was in meetings where it was being talked about.

And most of us looked at him like he was—he's been spot on.

And in fact, I remember years ago, he told me, he said, it's going to

be you.

It's going to be—and that's not

a conspiracy.

Yeah, I know that there are those folks out there.

Some of them do that because

they're actually partly just—why in the

world should

I, like I said,

I mean—.

Yeah, and when we come back from our midway break, you can begin those foundations one by one, and perhaps you could

preface it when we return on why you are focused in that message, that sermon,

on the battle raging in our own minds or the minds of humans while they are being

persecuted, rather than the forces that are existing outside of us.

And of course, the old saying is true that we can be our own worst enemies.

So we could start with that, and then you can go through them one by one, and hopefully we'll have time to go through all of them.

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Before we return to our discussion with James White, a couple of brief announcements.

You've been hearing us mention in some of the ads for the G3 conference that Vody Baucom

is scheduled to be on the speaking roster.

Well, whether you know it or not, Vody Baucom has a serious health setback

not long ago and is recovering from quadruple bypass surgery.

It is uncertain at this point whether he will be still featured on the speaking roster at the G3

conference.

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I am certainly hoping that will be.

But please pray for Vody Baucom's recovery, his full recovery, as

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The woods.

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Please join Dr. James R. White and me and Dr. Conrad Mbewe and about 20 other speakers

at the G3 conference, September 30th through October 2nd in Atlanta, Georgia, on the theme Christ

is supreme overall.

I cannot wait to be there again.

This will be my fourth year in a row.

Manning and exhibitors booth there.

And Dr. White, I know that you love G3 as well as I do, don't you?

Oh, yeah, of course.

I'm not sure how many people at G3 love me, but...

No, we, you know, and in the morning,

I'm one of

the C

-listers.

Ah, give me a break.

No, I am.

And I speak in the

morning at some...

And afterwards, we just set up an exhibit area,

people, no masks,

you know, just get to meet folks.

And it's funny, honestly, how each year a different

topic predominates.

So like, I think the year before that, so many people that had come out of like King

James -only -ism on the

world,

Jeff and I will both say the same

thing, we found you first and then from you, I, you know, found out about

Jeff Durbin or vice versa.

It was like that time.

And then I think the year before, what was it?

It was a different group, the predominant.

It's really, really interesting to get a chance to talk to people.

And I know all the speakers don't get to do that, but we try to do that as much as possible.

And the way things are this year, I'm having to drive to, I'm going to be driving to G3,

so some

churches in Texas on the way and everybody.

And normally, you know, you give me that hang dog look and I'll come.

I mean, you're just so good at it, sitting there, you know, just look over and

you're not the only one that does it.

And there's a whole podcast row, at least there was last year, remember?

There was a whole row of folks that were recording podcast stuff and things.

And some of those people have been banned.

And I might get there myself before long.

Oh, not by Josh Bice, of course not.

No, certainly not.

No, no.

So yeah, I'm looking forward to it.

And it's a different time of year, you know, normally it's been, I remember just a couple of years ago, we had

trouble getting in because Atlanta got hit with snow.

And so there was delayed flights and all sorts of stuff like that.

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humidity, who knows?

Well, we'll find out.

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And we are now back with our discussion with Dr. White.

And if you could, before you go into some of these elements, these foundations, tell us why you

focused on our own minds in the event that we are being persecuted rather than what's going on

around us.

Well, the issue is, in listening to a

friend who's done missions work overseas near a

nation, you're right though,

the hardest thing to deal with, all

the difference, I had read so

many comments and so many stories

that isolation

creates in your mind and the ability that

attack you in that.

That was why I focused on, look, you need to have communion with

Christ.

You need to have certainty for this to happen.

Obviously, the bedlam laid in place

or put you through and

gone through this down through the centuries, we sort of feel like, well, that can never

be used in the

past.

If you're alone in your own mind,

not so much, you know, if they're not feeding you, if they're not allowing you to sleep, you're not going to be doing debates,

okay?

You may think that too many days of sleep deprivation

get you past, that's when

these foundations will be.

Okay, well, fingerprints is your first foundation.

Yeah, and so basically, I want to start with something that could be remembered, most of us will,

if you are

in a situation where

you're being told to deny Christ, you're being told the Christian faith is a lie, there is no

evidence, science has proven that,

every word spoken to you by your enemies is a witness to their

own createdness.

...of life that continues to take place within your own body, within the body of the person persecuting you, these

are all the creator, you can deny them, you can yell at them, you

can scream at them, you can say science has disproven this, but the very existence of science

requires the creator that he is.

So I suggested to folks that while they have the freedom of

design and creation, but you're supposed to be a presuppositionalist, all evidence is God's.

Evidence.

Amen.

I said amen.

Oh, okay.

I know.

Reformed Baptists aren't typically used to.

Hearing that coming from the...

That's true, that's

true.

But every bit of evidence that we can

about God's creation is God's evidence.

And so, looking at the irreducibly complex systems found in the eye and the blood clotting

mechanisms, the genetic systems, and if you've seen my debate with Dan Barker from a number of

years ago, the incredible creation, that's my favorite, the mitochondria

that are in every cell in your body that are clear design, I

mean, we can't even get close to designing this kind of mechanism on

that level, and if we ever do get there, it is only because we have spent so

much time and energy designing it.

It is close

to be a lack of

our mind that the truth

is that God's finger pulled over me

is the evidence that is

trying to get

you to believe in a creatorless creation, and that is...

And the second foundation is light from the empty

tomb.

Light from the empty tomb is a phrase I've been using a lot recently.

I don't think I borrowed it from anybody, but

reality is,

reality is that

they don't have

anything to give to you.

They've been in the

wildest...

The idea of being able to litter a

person's body to

infiltrate his very soul for another hour of life.

He will do anything all

the way.

There's no fear for the

persecuted believer.

The empty tomb is the light.

The world can't extinguish.

In many of these situations, it

does not let you to have light, but in the darkness of imprisonment, a

light that no cell goes to are united with Christ.

That needs to be something that we understand why that is.

The enemies of Christ may hold us in darkness in this world,

even when they have the light

of the sun, and part

of the danger is to have the light

of complete darkness

if they do not turn to Christ and from hating someone.

Yeah, and that's a difficult thing to do, even for things that are infinitely less serious than.

Being persecuted.

Oh yeah, most definitely, but I did mention the sermon.

I think for anyone, if you really...

And I'm very thankful.

I saw some people on Twitter saying they were doing this.

If you really want to do some preparation,

I got to visit the hiding, the winding

staircases.

See that, and I would highly

recommend.

The truth that Betsy, who did not survive,

communicated to her, they

demonstrated that

and established in the heavens, as we know, the

fold to deconvert Christians.

It's

good to

have a broad teaching about this type of stuff for many decades now.

No one can know everything there is to know about the scriptures, but there is one thing, and

that is that the same one who

holds

any

other view of scripture is a simple

foolishness.

No one else has the authority,

so why would we view it in any other way?

It does not make any sense.

Can predict his own death and his resurrection.

What we need

to be doing is not only understanding why we believe the scriptures to be the word of God, but to be...

The real thing to see when people are doing

it, a young lady who has

memorized a major portion of the New Testament, it

might be...

No, but direct her my way if she's.

Going to the next one.

Oh, I'd like...

Yeah, I will.

Yeah, well, actually, she's written a book about memorizing scripture now, I understand, and

she has so worn her Bible out in memorizing

it that...

I don't want anything missing, and while she's...

Just remind me, and I can get you a kitchen...

Because it's going to be...

If you've read The Hiding Place, then you know that God supernaturally...

Scriptures.

Yeah.

It's amazing how that was, but that's the...

That's not something you can...

Now, A Cloud of Witnesses is an interesting passage that comes from Hebrews chapter

12.

I was actually lovingly and gently rebuked because

after the homegoing of my late wife,

in fact, when I was graduating from Hebron Colony Ministries, which is the Christian

Addiction Recovery Ministry in Boone, North Carolina, where I went after plunging back into

excessive and really severe scandalous drunkenness, full

bore, and thankfully was delivered from that by God after my time at Hebron

Colony, even the desire for alcohol.

But at the graduation ceremony, I said

that I lamented the fact that my precious late wife could not see me

sober again.

And I said, I know that there are many brothers and sisters who have been well -meaning,

and they're trying to comfort me.

And they've said, oh, but she's watching you now.

Because remember, there's a great cloud of witnesses.

And I said, are you kidding me?

She's got her eyes focused on Jesus Christ face to face.

She's not looking at me and me standing here in Boone, North Carolina, speaking from

this podium right now.

As much as she may love me in heaven, she loves her Savior much more and doesn't want to tear her eyes away

from him for one second.

And I was thankful that you seemed to confirm that idea.

In your own sermon.

Yeah, I realize the emotional

can have, but that's not what

that's actually Hebrew by faith,

and many hardships.

And then there are people

that were sawn into, and imprisoned, and tortured, and everything else.

So it was all by faith, and it was all a part of God's plan.

These are the witnesses, and it's not like they are watching our

ignorance and sin down here.

They are witnesses to God's faithfulness and to what being

by being faithful is the issue that

is there.

But the point is,

they came before us and to look to their examples, sustain them,

and bring in difficulty

and trust.

That testimony that is given by...

It does seem to me that a lot of

Christians, maybe a few

about David and Goliath or something like that, do not spend a lot of time

pondering the lives of those who came before us.

Maybe part of it's because we don't want to fall into the trap of hagiolatry.

The reality is that this

cannot be separate.

The

same,

I know, has provided

tremendous comfort.

We have faced these

things in isolation.

It would be something to be able to recognize.

Because when you're alone, you tend to be focused

needs.

I think it's

very, very important.

So you mean the Chick tract, why is Mary crying, is wrong?

Where Mary is crying in heaven because she sees Roman Catholics and hears Roman Catholics

praying to her and worshiping her.

Obviously, the sentiment was good, but if Mary is crying, that means you can

have pain and sorrow in heaven for crying out loud.

Right.

Pardon the pun.

Well, yeah, and.

The fact is, I mentioned I was... I list a debate that we did

on Long Island again.

One of the first, I did

not believe for a moment that Mary had an idea of what was being done in her

name, the

prayers were being

addressed to

Christ in the audience that night, but

at least we didn't have in that particular debate the little old Catholic lady row right down front that we had for the PACWA

debate with all the extraneous audience participation

that took place that night.

Anyway, I can remember a nun at the Gerry Madetik's debate.

I think she might have been a Lefevreite nun.

She had like a blue outfit on, the sect Bishop

Lefevre started.

She came up to me during a break and she said, how dare you?

I'm giving you a warning right now.

Our lady is returning soon.

And I'm thinking, wow, they've even replaced the return of Christ with Mary.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

Oh yeah.

We had a few interesting conversations after those debates.

Thank you very, very much.

In fact, I think you were saying there when Father PACWA invited me out to get a beer, right?

Yes.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He was wearing.

Pointy cowboy boots.

Yep.

And a cowboy hat.

And not during the debate, but afterwards.

Anyway.

Yes.

Yes.

Speaking of cowboy hat, I remember when somebody from the audience during the question and answer session

referred to him as priest PACWA.

A priest, I will not call you father, priest PACWA.

And he goes, okay, Hoss, what do you got to say?

But I do, I do really like him in spite of the

fact that I disagree with him on over eternal matters.

I do really like him a lot.

Oh, sure.

Yeah.

Faithful Promises is your fifth foundation.

Yeah.

And the last one.

Really was where I sort of snuck a little post -mill stuff in here.

Promises given to the suffering in scripture.

You know, you couldn't even begin to, just so much of the psalter and,

and Christ has promised to lose

none of his own.

Security for eternity is as secure as the son's obedience to the father's will.

And there's nothing that mankind can break that relationship.

But we also have to look beyond ourselves.

And I think this is important, especially if you are in isolation,

much larger picture upon the narrow.

We must create a place very deep down our souls.

Remember that we are but grass, flower that

is an evening, much larger task.

And that we need to have a conviction that we are a part of that much larger task.

And I may not see how my suffering right now is accomplishing God's

promise that it, in some

amazing fashion, I am, I am entering into the sufferings of Christ,

Him, despite the best the enemy.

And many

of those

who've gone

before us, they died in faith in the same spirit who

are in hell.

And that is what is 11 and 12.

The positive things that people,

they endured being in the

desert.

That

gave us great

things.

God can use us to endure great things.

But we, we need to see ourselves as a part

of that much, much larger.

We're going to our final break.

It's.

Going to be a lot quicker than the other breaks.

So we'll be right back after these messages.

Don't.

Go away.

Hello, dear ones.

My name is Justin Peters and my friend Chris Arnzen, host of Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.

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Okay, Dr. White, we've got a question from our old.

Friend Pastor Gary George of Sovereign Grace Baptist, I'm sorry, Sovereign Grace

Chapel of Southbridge, Massachusetts.

Hello, Brother James.

I pray for you daily and sorry I'm not doing a good Massachusetts accent here.

I suppose you in the past and many in the present among reformed people are

reticent to confront political issues.

As a post -millennialist, is your idea of fulfilling the Great Commission a

compulsion to pressure secular government to be discipled so that the millennial

period will come upon the earth in preparation for the establishing of the new heaven

and new earth?

Well,

Coast lands to a

great drawing in of God select.

One of the things that really startled me

of what I was coming to, you know, we

might still be in the early church.

And that just left me going, I'd never even given that a thought.

I mean, it's just right at the end.

And that's what everybody thinks.

But then I realized in church, that's

exactly what they thought.

And so what if we are at the start and not the end?

Explain all sorts of things.

The point is that the reason for the proclamation by

Christ and to, obviously, it's not to bring something about in the sense you have some type of

secondary meaning to it.

The reality is that what we're seeing today is the, look

at what, look at what we're doing to 13 -year -old

girls.

Look what we're doing to 13 -year -old, to eight -year -old boys.

When you fill their bodies with hormones that stop their brain development, all

because of the insanity of transgenderism.

I mean, the suicide rate is worldwide.

The results of secularism.

So in reality, we are simply bringing the

Jesus Christ Lord, and it's Christ or chaos.

You either recognize that it's creation,

or you will have the chaos that is now being brought to

bear.

And being brought to bear now, technologically, in a way that could have happened in the last century, but the

technology did not yet exist.

I mean, the Soviets, if they had had the ability to observe, then

they could have had a greater shot at holding things together.

That's why this period of degradation

could be a long period, because, man, there's a lot of technology out there to help these people

stay in control.

But it cannot last, because it is not connected with God's actual creation.

And so we proclaim the Lordship of Christ.

We proclaim His law to

how we understand mankind.

That's God made us.

If you want to know how to deal with man, then you have to start with the Creator and with His own.

And so I think it

is my job as a Christian, God

then uses that.

Okay, we have a listener, a first -time listener, who is asking a question way off topic.

But since he is a Muslim, I figured I would give you the opportunity to at least

respond in some way to his question.

Reminds me of Hamza Abdul -Malik at all the debates.

I'm wondering, do you remember when we had one of the debates, or you, I should say,

had one of the debates, I arranged it, with an imam?

We had it in Queens, New York.

There were a thousand people there that were 90.

Well, do you remember that there were like 30 people, and I can't remember if it was Finland or the Netherlands,

but there were 30 Muslims that flew in to the United States to be there in attendance.

Of course, there was something else going on here in America, but I don't know if this gentleman was a

part of that group, but like I said, I can't remember if it was Finland or the Netherlands.

But anyway, John, who says, I am a Muslim who has watched all of James White's

presentations and debates on Islam, and I always wondered why he ignores important verses where

even human desires can constitute as God, like

verse 25, 43, and 45, 23.

His attempt to claim verse 5, 11, 16, is

describing Trinity that consists of Allah, Jesus, and Mary falls apart in light of these other verses,

where the Quranic usage of God can refer to excessive devotion instead of literal worship like human

desires.

The reason why I bring this up is because James White never dealt nor addressed these verses, but continued to

insist verse 5, 116, is describing Trinity since it calls

Mary as God.

So it is high time someone corrects this notion that was used by Christian polemics in 1897.

Okay.

Well, the error is pretty obvious.

Let me just, we only have a second, but what he's talking about the

Quran primarily in

surahs 3, 4, 5,

and 6, repeated phrase is, there is no God but Allah.

A couple of times in that section, you have, say not three.

It is better for you.

There is no God but Allah.

And every single time it says, say not three, the next phrase is, there is no God but Allah.

So the question is, where does the Quran identify the three?

And there is only one place.

None of these other references have anything to do with where the Quran is

saying there is only one God, Allah.

It's not addressing the issue of worship.

It's not addressing tawhid.

In this section, it's saying, in the end time, Allah

is going to say to Jesus, did you say to people, worship me and my mother Mary

in derogation of Allah?

So what's that referring to?

Well, there are a lot of answers from that, from Muslims these days.

But the vast majority of Muslims in Muslim countries, with whom I have had conversations,

and probably know he's dead,

he likewise, from South Africa, in all of his lectures,

had said, you know, you Christians believe in three gods.

And when I was in South Africa, I had a Muslim I was debating say, you all do believe in three gods, and use the

same text.

So I'm, you know, certainly there are Muslims who interpret these texts differently than other

Muslims do.

But the fact is, the vast majority of Muslims, as having to do with the fact

that the Trinity is in error, certainly,

just one of the few places where you can go to ask the question, who are the three in the author

of the Quran?

Where else are three listed?

In the context that would be relevant.

And that's why these other texts aren't talking about worship, they're not talking about

Tawheed, they're not talking about saying three, so they're really not relevant.

Okay, we have time for one more.

Question.

Olivia from Swansea, South Carolina.

If Romans 13 is supposed to apply only to a government that is upholding God's law, if

defiance of tyrants is obedience to God, and if that means that armed resistance to

protect the life and liberty of our neighbors can be acceptable, do we see any instances of the

first century church interpreting it this way?

If so, what are they?

And if not, why would they not take the initiative and defend themselves?

Well, defying tyrants is not a call to revolution.

The early church was called specifically, are we?

And there's a difference between being a very, very, very, very, very small group in imperialism,

living, for example, in the United Kingdom in the 19th century or 18th

century, where you have an ostensibly Christian culture, at least by public profession it is

anyway, but they're

still there.

Nobody walking by seems to care anyway.

Different context between the early church and what we would be looking at today.

I'm not sure exactly how the

13 is saying, I'm sorry, the state is to be

the servant of Christ, and that is the key issue in Romans chapter 13, but I know we're out

of time.

Sorry, David in Albuquerque, New Mexico,.

And everybody else that sent in a question that we don't have time to read.

Hopefully, Dr. White will come back soon, and we'll be able to read those questions for him then.

I want to thank you so much, Dr. White.

I want to remind our listeners that your website is AOMIN .org, AOMIN .org, and

the G3 Conference website for the conference where you will be among over 20 other speakers

this fall is G3conference .com, G3conference .com.

I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.