Seminaries and Apologetics

Webcasting around the world from the desert metropolis of Phoenix, Arizona. This is the dividing line. The Apostle Peter commanded Christians to be ready to give a defense for the hope that is within us.

Yet to give that answer with gentleness and reverence. Our host is dr. James white director of Alpha Omega ministries and an elder at the Phoenix reformed Baptist Church. This is a live program and we invite your participation.

If you'd like to talk with dr. White call now 602 nine seven three four six zero two or toll-free across the United States. It's one eight seven seven seven five three Three three four one and now with today's topic.

Here is James white.

Returning to the Dividing Line After Illness and Travel

And good afternoon welcome to the dividing line on a Thursday afternoon a little bit delayed in getting back to the dividing line thanks to something called a virus, but We are here and good to be back.

I do not believe it was a virus that I caught while traveling. I think it was actually waiting for me when I got home and My my lovely daughter provided to me right before her high school graduation. But I still still made it somehow barely and things falling apart in there.

Mr. Pierce That looks pretty silly actually, but I've turned the camera around so people can see how odd you look but.

Hey, when you've got to wear all these different heads.

Hey, you're the one that got it. You wanted to be the fancy schmancy, man. Anyway, and I think it just was that For some reason the jet lag this time last night was the first night I slept more than four and a half hours since I got home.

I would I would sleep and then I'd wake up and I was it no more sleep after that and it just wore me down and so anyways, we're back now and Other than the travel itself, which this time was Really really not something to to write home about not enjoyable Other than the the travel itself the time in the United Kingdom was wonderful.

Had a very interesting time on Revelation TV. One of the things that was interesting about being on Revelation TV was that I Had four monitors in front of me and they have two channels and for the first half hour We were on the two channels and I should have noticed as I found out about later.

But then halfway through one of the channels disappeared. In fact, we got a tape of it I'm in the middle of a sentence it just cuts out and says if you'd like to watch the rest of the program tune to channel blah blah blah and So that that was odd, but then I noticed that what I was seeing on the other channel made me go hmm.

Because the entire second hour of the program I'm watching Benny Hinn On the other channel blowing people over and doing his normal shenanigans, and I'm sitting here discussing predestination election Answering all the common questions phone calls emails all the common objections the Hawaiian yards, and I'm looking down seeing Benny Hinn.

I Don't know there was just a very strange conjugation of Conjunction of having Benny Hinn down there and then I'm likewise at the same time attempting to discuss I don't know second Peter three nine or something like that.

It was interesting interesting experience. No toys about it, but Getting there was fun too because we had to go through the middle of London. I remember I get there I don't have any luggage. They lost my luggage didn't my luggage for two days, so We have to go to Tesco and brother Roger takes this and of course going over.

We had two two-year-olds in the row right in front of me one of whom had an earache. So no sleep zero sleep not not a bit of sleep all the way to to the United Kingdom. So I'm I'm zoning I've been I was the airport forever because you have to fill out the lost luggage stuff and all that kind of thing and So we go to Tesco we buy shirt and other necessities shall we say and Then to get there you gotta go all the way through the middle of London.

We didn't want to go on the m25 which is the outer circle thing because it's a parking lot that time of day. So we have to go through London and everybody over there has sat nav satellite navigation you know Tom Tom you know that type of thing and Every car I passed had had it in it because given the way London's laid out that would make sense I'd love to have sat nav.

I mean, I'm a really a gadget geek type guy I live in Phoenix who in the world needs satellite navigation Phoenix this place is laid out as a grid you can't get lost here. So it would be totally worthless, but in London It was great, and he had three different voices that he could put it on he could put mr. T turn right here fool and Then you had Yoda, and then you had John Cleese of the Monty Python fame now that one was funny.

That that was that was hilarious. I couldn't couldn't help but sit there and think how long did that man sit in a studio? Recording every possible thing you could ever need to say especially realize you're in London.

You're going through all these roundabouts and these roundabouts can have three four five different exits on these one roundabouts. So there's all these things that this thing has to be able to say that he had to record.

It was it was really hilarious, and he hit the button once where he gave an introduction to himself and he said and thank you very much for choosing me because I really needed the money and It's really good.

Oh by the way. What are we gonna do our Scottish? Dividing line. Because we didn't get a chance to do that so I brought my accent with me, and so next time dude. Maybe next time I Was gonna say we'd probably all of a sudden have an instant equipment failure in the other room.

Yeah I Did it was funny though because once once again, you know finished TV stuff and when it flew up to Edinburgh and then I administered at larbert baptist church and larbert which is in Falkirk which is between Edinburgh and Glasgow and The the pastor Ken Blakely is Irish his whole family is Irish and so I learned to use the term we a lot.

But Would take a wee little cup of whatever a wee little cup of milk or a wee little cup of coffee or whatever and It was just constantly we this and it was it was very funny. But anyway, we had a good time there in and larbert and then in Glasgow, and I actually went into Glasgow twice on my own.

Which you know little old ladies can do but hey I I did my own and It was you can walk everywhere if you need to it's not like Phoenix believe you me. Not 98 degrees or anything like that outside, but it was it was enjoyable, but the trip back was.

Well, I don't I don't want to talk about the trip back. So anyhow we are home, and we are back and the next big thing on the on the public Listing is the cruise in June. Some of you're going cruising June your cruises in October.

Yes our cruises in October. But we're doing a cruise in in June where I'm going to be speaking. I've been asked along with the RC Sproul to speak on D. James Kennedy's cruise and So we're going to be doing that in just a matter of weeks and so toward the end of June.

There's going to be a dividing line blank spot in the archives as well. Because I well I suppose it's possible I've been told this this ship is just totally geeked out and. So you know I suppose it's possible, but it would be exceptionally expensive.

I'm sure To to the dividing line from from out where we're going to be in the Pacific so anyway. Yeah, somebody somebody in channel just said they'd tune in for a 2 a .m.. Scottish dividing line well.

Thank you. Thank you ever so much. That's very very kind of you just the support I get you know. From all my friends and and the people who love me. It's it's great, but anyway 8 7 7 7 5 3 3 3 4 1 is the phone number.

I have Shabir Ali all queued up and ready to go and take your phone calls as well. And what let's see it's it's only it's only a little after midnight in in London right now. So you know I don't know why we don't have so many.

Well, you know we do have our one London caller. And he has said that he's up at midnight 1 a .m.. The morning to call in so. Maybe maybe some more of my friends from up there and a lot of it will call in maybe some of those gentlemen who join Me and wearing their keylets.

They'll they'll call in and they'll demonstrate that. That it didn't hurt my preaching at all that it's all went just fine. You're looking somewhat skeptical. Mr.. Pierce. In fact you're looking like you want me to go the first caller.

Yes. Put him on the air stop talking about that stuff for you. Yes, indeed, that's that's okay. All righty, let's go ahead and take our first phone caller. Let's talk with Aaron. Hi Aaron. How you doing good dr.

Why. Thanks for taking my call? It's my pleasure welcome back to the state. It's good jealous of you. I Got it got admit.

Getting a chance to wander aimlessly aimlessly through John Knox's house on high streets in Edinburgh and To press press all the buttons and listen to The dialogues they have recorded and and all sorts of fun stuff like that is quite enjoyable.

There's no no two ways about it.

I've been there, and I would love to go back so glad to have you back. I just had a question for you. I am I'm a Lay servant of it don't have several years have fixed My own ministry at my my little central, California and as I'm you know looking at balancing.

You know I'm looking at some different options. I I have I'm I've been looking at different apologetic Methods more approach. I really see how a presuppositional dovetails very nicely. I'm just wondering as I'm looking at schools and looking at program that.

Does it make much of a difference? Do you think or? Well.

Obviously it makes a very large difference as to what subjects going to be covered and how they're going to be covered. I did not have that option myself as far as Seminaries that were available to me when you're when you're.

Especially as I was very young and don't have basically any money at all and you already have a family and children. You you make do with what's available to you and and the irony was that. The only the only thing at the time in in Phoenix, Arizona was fuller theological seminaries extension.

That was it and. Yet when I took apologetics there was only one class I could I could take but when I took the apologetics class in the fuller extension it was taught by a Presbyterian from Southern, California and Some of the some of the books we had to read included the poem say by Pascal and Schaefer's works and Things like that and and I I remember that I too as far as you know at that time.

All I knew was you you go to the bookstore you pick up some books on apologetics. And it's going to be folks like Norman Geisler spouting Aquinas and things like that. And that's just that's just all you you've really run into.

Especially at that time there there wasn't you know, Vantel was out there, but no one understood what he was saying and Bonson. Bonson was just getting ready to well Bonson had just debated Stein. So there were some folks that were starting to figure these things out.

But anyway, I remember one day this this professor and everybody else was was really not enjoying the class. They they just weren't getting what he was trying to say and I remember sitting there one day and he he says something along the lines of Aquinas proved the wrong God and I you know.

The only proofs I had ever heard of were the cosmological teleological blah blah blah blah and so on. What what is he talking about? So I was really trying to tune in on this guy and the reading assignments.

Thankfully really started to put two and two together for me at that time and that was important in really Embracing all of reformed theology as a whole. So it was that apologetics class that eventually was one of my one of my favorites because it did illustrate these things.

That was the only one I had. That actually came from a presuppositional perspective and had a professor who would be reformed in his in his theology so it was important to be able to study those things, but especially in apologetics.

You know, I'm awful glad that that I had to sort of get hands-on practice in seminary for apologetics. I mean, I'll never forget in in 89 when I was on the air with Robert Funk on a local secular station.

Where the Jesus seminar had just come out. I just graduated in college or a seminary the GS seminar. Yeah. That was my last semester one of the two but the GS seminar just come out and said Jesus never said he was returning so he's not and I was I got to be on the air with with Funk and and Here I was able to you know, some of the books.

I just read was like Gerhard von Roth's commentary in Deuteronomy now I mean, that's if anyone knows Commentaries this is not your conservative commentary, you know, but I had been a class at Fuller the professor had stood up.

He held this book up. He said, you know what? This is the best English commentary on the book of Deuteronomy and we had to write reviews of them and I read this thing and I You know and I read it carefully.

I marked it still in my library today and we had to write our positives and negatives and our reviews and the positive was this book has a wonderful binding and We moved on to the negatives and everything was negative now I got a 98 on the review because I had clearly read it.

Interacted with it got a high score in the class. You could do that back then. I'm not sure that you could do that today in that particular context, but here I am on the air with with Robert Funk. And I've this is the stuff I've been reading, you know I mean, I'm very familiar with where these these people are coming from.

I've been exposed to it and So it helped me in that way. It wasn't necessarily enjoyable in any way to go through that I had a friend who went through a couple years after I did in the same stuff and I remember him coming by my house and almost in tears that at the the mockery of sound Orthodox teaching that had just taken place in some of the classes, but you know in essence what I'm saying is seminary is what you make of it and I It would be wonderful and and and great to sit around with with everybody who agrees with you.

And and hear the angels singing, but it's not necessary to actually getting a good education. I mean There are some places that are so compromised. You can't even start to go there. And in many of those places today will not really even allow you to say what you need to say and to think what you need to think and to question the things need to question but if you can.

You know. The other thing I would say though. Especially given where you are and I don't want to be overly specific here because I don't want to start too many wars, but My other experience basically is that while presuppositionalists and reformed folks are fully aware of evidentialist argumentation and Study it in the whole nine yards.

It's not true in reverse I rarely find evidentialists who even give it the time of day to presuppositionalism. They just dismiss it as fideism and just say you know, that's silly. No one can argue that way and so you you rarely get much of an in-depth discussion from that perspective and As a result and not only is your viewpoint of presuppositionalism skewed as far as the presentation from them is concerned.

But in my experience and I'm speaking generally here, but in my experience the treatment That many of those who are non-reformed give of evidential of I'm sorry of apologetic issues can be rather surface-level and I I think there is a fundamental difference in how you're going to do apologetics and and do it as it is in Debate if you come from an Arminian perspective to come from a reformed perspective.

It does make a difference. It makes a difference is the methodologies you you adopt even to the form of our argumentation. And Arminian is going to be significantly more tempted to utilize arguments that are going to woo The emotions of the individual than I am because I'm trusting in something other than that person's free will To bring about their conversion or their acceptance of the truth.

And in fact, it's really not up to me to bring that about I am I am to remonstrate with them I am to dialogue with them I'm to reason with them but I am never ever ever ever supposed to abandon the truth and to compromise the truth in the process and In my experience from the Arminian perspective, they're willing to utilize Argumentation that is not as strong because the ultimate goal is well, but I've seen it work and there's a pragmatism to it that Just just very very much concerns me as to its long-term impact.

And so Given that that from my perspective Apologetics is nothing more than the external presentation of your theology. It's your systematic theology. Well, that means you're what your theology is is must determine what your apologetics is.

If your apologetics is the same matter what your theology is then there's obviously a disconnect someplace and it doesn't work. And there's there's a problem. And so if you're if you're going to a place that is not explicitly reformed then the apologetic information you're You can do it but just be prepared of the fact that you're going to be at In a war stance and a battle stance pretty much all the time.

Not only against those outside but sadly within as well. And if you're if you're built for that Then great. Most people are not built for that and you know, there's a lot of folks I know John MacArthur has said seminary should never be a place of warfare or a battleground it should be a place of nurturing and instruction and that would be wonderful if there were enough seminaries around that could actually do things like that, but that's not been my experience and in my experience was it had to be a battleground for me and that battleground was very very important for me in the formation of who I am and.

What I've done since then. Thank you. I appreciate that. I don't know if you're at liberty to give much comment on this, but the is the the MA in apologetics from Biola. You know, I'm I know people who have gone through that but I'm.

But you know, I'm I'm just not sure what kind of I haven't talked to them a whole lot and I've been kind of holding off on that just to kind of. Decide on you know from my perspective. Do I compromise on these issues and I might.

Biology. Yeah. Let's put this way.

You know, I debated Shabir Ali at Biola and the folks there were very nice to me and and. But I was. I don't want to go into too much detail, but let's just put this way. There is a clear contrast between how I did that debate and how that debate would have been done by someone at Biola a clear Contrast and now I would argue the students probably like that contrast, but that's a different issue.

You know, there were some complaints about how straightforward I was. You know, there's sort of a Southern California laid-back Thing, you know going on sometimes around there and and There's no. Someone asked me afterwards in the mob of people that were talking with me for quite some time after the the debate they said so.

What other debates would you like to do here? They're real excited it had gone really well and and they wanted to have more debates. And so who else would you like to bait around here? I just I couldn't help but say well to be honest with you.

Logically the closest person around here that would make a good debate for me would be one of your own staff members William Lane Craig and not just on apologetic methodology, but theology itself and his Mullen ism and middle knowledge and you know all the rest that stuff so You know, I I have criticized William Lane Craig's apologetics many times and and we'll have to continue doing so because again Apologetics is nothing more than the consistent extension of your own systematic theology and and The the the Mullen ism position is is not a sound systematic theology it cannot Provide a meaningful exegetical foundation of its of its assertions and therefore it's it's going to be inconsistent.

And as I have played Craig's debates with Shabir Ali I've had to at times a man, you know, Ali has him there because he's wrong he's his his apologetic is is in error at that point and I've certainly take a whole lot of heat for that and I'm certain that you would take just as much if you were to have to say anything similar to that within the context of Biola itself, so I don't know how that is handled to be honest with you.

I don't know. You know, I do know of some reformed students at Biola, but they are in the minority. They are not in the majority the interestingly enough the the what I've been told there are some reformed folks in the theology Area at Biola, but not in the apologetics area and which again I find odd because I see the two as as heads and tails the same coin and so it's odd to have that kind of a separation, but You know It all depends on whether you can be allowed to within the context of that kind of a program.

Produce see from my perspective if you're gonna go to seminary Then what you need to do is while you're there what you're doing if you're writing papers. They're gonna do nothing more than sit on a professor's shelf someplace and they're never gonna do anything else.

You're wasting some really valuable life. Life is short. The older I get the more I realize that my daughter just graduated from high school, and I'm sitting there going wait a minute I just did this I Remember this with clarity.

I just did this and there she is you know the football field in the whole nine yards. And it's like this is wrong. That's my that's my youngest child life is short. And so what I did in seminary is I made sure that the papers I wrote and yeah I was frequently that the freak that was asking the professor for more pages so I could do something longer.

But I wanted to make sure that if I was going to invest time in Really producing something I wanted it to be something that was going to benefit the church in the long run. I want to be something I could use in classes.

I was teaching I want to be something I could use in ministry and So you know you go on our website you read the the Trinity definition of calisthenon oneness theology this this 52 page paper on On on oneness theology and the doctrine of Trinity in the history of the Council of calisthenon stuff like that.

That was a that was a paper in seminary. I I was a systematic theology class. I went to the professor I said look you know I've got this going on I've got this extended correspondence going on with this prisoner in a Florida prison and With his with this pastor who's a chaplain there is oneness theology, and this is what I'd like to do.

And he gave me the permission to do it. It's still being used today. So if you can if you can get the freedom to to produce materials like that while you're in seminary. That's going to be useful down the road.

You've got a you've got an eye toward what you want to be able to do Ministry in the church edifying the church, and you're allowed to use the resources and in fact in essence buck the system and disagree With the prevailing perspective great if you're basically told sorry you can't do that.

Then you know that might you know be pretty much determinative as to whether that's something you really want to do or not. Because if you can't utilize the proper resources to produce the kind of material you really want to do Then then you might want to you know look look elsewhere.

I know that's if you're in the LA area That's that's one thing what I would you know recommend that you do is there is a tremendous a tremendous scholar a man with a huge heart and a great a Great mind over there in the southern Southern, California down in at Westminster Seminary by name Jim Renahan and He is the professor of historical theology there Jim heads up the Institute reform Baptist Studies.

He's just as as bright as they come he was my partner in debating crossing and Borg on the resurrection on the cruise a couple years ago and so I Drop him a line I mean you can find IRB s online and I drop him a line and and Let him know you know where you are what you're doing and see what his insights are because you know he knows that area Better than I do as far as available Means of education so he might be aware of something that would fit your particular parameters better than I can okay, all right.

Well, thank you so much for your input. I really appreciate it. All right. Thanks a lot Aaron. Okay. I got a.

Apologetics, Theology, and Seminary Training

Eight seven seven seven five three three three four one. We'll take another call here in a few moments, but our breaks coming up, so I don't want to. What's that? No. That's how you say no to direct to Suggestions made to you from the other room is you just go no and that's how I mean.

That's how the big guys do it. Isn't that how rush would do it. He would have just said no no no no no want to so we'll get to Mike up in Wisconsin and the your phone calls at eight seven seven seven five three three three four one after we take our break and I don't like there.

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Critique of the Tomb Story and Non-Canonical Texts

Well, I just pulled up a URL from the chat channel during the break there and It's for secrets of the code. Now on DVD if you're not intelligent enough to actually read a book. We'll just read it to you.

And of course it is it is narrated by that paragon of all virtue that that scholar of history literature and theology Susan Sarandon, yeah Oh My I'm just looking at it here on on the web and it's There's just there's there's no no end to this this foolishness and by the way, I hope you have noted I've been trying to sort of tell folks haven't wanted to you know, I've actually been a little quiet about it.

Because of you know certain criticisms I have I Have received but The tomb story is not going away and like so many of these things there is a body of literature being produced. Tabor and Pellegrino are Hard at work coming up with ways of turning the acts of Philip into something the acts of Philip will never ever be but they're they're trying and Remember this this is how things work.

They will produce and produce and produce and write paper after paper after paper and what happens is People who are non-specialist or people who just don't think clearly. What are they very susceptible to?

Well as long as scholars have written enough books and there's enough verbiage and there's enough tonnage of paper. There must be something to it. There must be something to it. You see it with the Da Vinci Code stuff you see it with the with the tomb stuff the talpia tomb stuff and It's not it's not going away.

They're they're doing their best to try to you know, most people have just waved the flags that are irrelevant. So they everyone's given up on it and even they themselves are going. Yeah. Well, that's pretty nice that people say that we certainly haven't and So anyway, I will Keep you apprised of developments.

In fact, I think yeah early this morning Another blog article appeared on that and Keeping up with the Beckwith stuff and trying to provide you with the Mormonism stuff, by the way I don't think even you're aware of this.

So mr. Pierce, but finally have the Appendix and stuff for is the more of my brother in hand. So I should be able to get hold of the folks at solid ground fairly quickly and try to get work started on that because.

It is very very much needed. No, you're gonna update that right?

That's what that's the updated portion. Yeah, what I did is I put together a bunch of stuff and asked my quiet Kowski to.

Whip it into shape. And because as I recall Steven Robinson was a main target at that time.

And yeah, this has stuff on all Mal and Miller are mentioned in the in the so it's it's updated as far as that goes. I mean, it's not gonna rewrite the entire stinking book because most of it was was direct citations from LDS sources anyways but that's what I've been putting on the.

Yeah, look at the chat channel. My quiet cows gay. Different one. Okay. I'm sorry. I. It's a different one. It's he's does not have only one eye. Okay. He doesn't scare children or do comedy routines or any swallow microphones or any of that stuff?

No, we're not turning to Billy Crystal theology. No, no.

The People and channel would know him better is tired of New Jersey. That would be the the way to remember my quiet Koski, but anyways. No, we did not take out Mike's appendix. Oh my goodness. These people have got some real problems there.

The chat channel is an odd place. Anyway, speaking of Mike's there is there is a Mike who has been waiting for 14 minutes and 57 seconds. Let's wait till 1559. There we go. All right, Mike. How are you?

Did you know you were waiting for exactly 15 minutes? I do know you you know that now and and I. Well, but that's how long it took rich to clear you clear your call, but once you're put on hold. He's he's he's the man of efficiency, what can we do for you Mike?

Well, I I have a couple things. I wanted to ask you about. Well, first of all Today is the last time that I can listen to you.

Autumn until the fall. Oh, why is that?

Well, I made an agreement with someone who told me that I need to to Kind of detach myself From you and your in your radio show and your website and stuff because I've been I've been following you for a while and and I talk about you quite a bit when I'm when I'm Discussing things with people.

Oh Okay, so I was advised to go to just kind of get away from you for a while. I have come in contact with the narrow mind.

Gene Scott. Oh gene cook also. Yes.

And I thought I was pretty excited because uh, I've been listening to him for a while and he Has been telling me that all hard rock and roll and gangster rap music and drink alcohol. Excuse me.

You know. Well when he's got someone on that I might find myself debating someday or have myself debated but yeah, I honestly I'm not much of I don't actually attend conferences unless I'm speaking at them and.

Because I'm just too busy so I have no idea what you're referring to now at all, but anyway I I'm a little more concerned about the detachment thing it just in the sense that it almost makes me sound like.

You know, I'm a foot fungus and you have a the summer to get rid of it or something. Well.

Actually, I Agree with you on just I think everything that I hear you talking about and I've been looking really hard to try and.

Find something that I can disagree with you on. Oh, that's pretty easy. I'm certain we could find something.

Well, I I do disagree with you on.

I like that. I like. I like the Vikings. How's that? I.

Don't I don't I'm not come on. You can at least come up with something on the Scottish accent something.