September 21, 2017 Show with Jeremy Walker on “What is Repentance?”

The Purpose of the Program and the Guest Introduction

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And it's such a pleasure to have back on the program someone who I truly love interviewing. That's Jeremy Walker who is pastor of Maiden Bower Baptist Church in Crawley in West Sussex England is also an author and blogger at Reformation 21 and the Wanderer today.

We are addressing a very valuable little booklet that he has written published by Reformation heritage books titled What is repentance. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio.

Pastor Jeremy Walker. Hey, I appreciate it more than you brother and we have in studio with us today again our co-host the Reverend buzz Taylor.

And it's always good to be here.

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Your city and state and your country of residence if you live outside of the USA. I could readily understand that a subject like repentance Might evoke questions from people who have very personal and intimately private Matters that they want to ask pastor Jeremy Walker about and so I will completely understand if you request to remain anonymous.

But if it's not for a reason such as that, please if it's just a general theological question Please give us at least your first name your city and state in your country of residence. Well pastor Jeremy if you could.

Even though you've been on this program a number of times already we have new listeners that appear to be joining us nearly every day on iron sharpens iron radio and so therefore many people might be unfamiliar with you and they might be unfamiliar with Therefore a Maiden Bower Baptist Church if you could.

Explain a little bit about Maiden Bower Baptist Church of Crawley in West Sussex, England.

What Repentance Is and Why It Matters

Sure early 1970s and formally constituted in 1975 in Crawley, which is exactly halfway between the center of London and A town called Bromwell line. We're halfway down it right next to one of London's major airports Gatwick.

The church was established as a Particular Baptist Church a confessional Baptist Church. We've been and God is. Many ways we enjoy opportunities to preach the gospel in the area and our fair share of battles and congregation.

But unity among ourselves in it. It's a privilege and a pleasure to serve God with his people in this part of the world.

Hey, man, well, I want to make sure that our listeners hear this really profound endorsement for this little book from a friend of mine that I've known since 1995 who has been a guest in this program a number of times and who I've who I have heard preach in person a number of times and that's dr. Conrad and Bayway pastor of the Kubota Baptist Church in Lusaka Zambia Africa.

Dr. M Bayway says reading Jeremy Walker's pamphlet. What is repentance feels like following a physician of souls into a spiritual operating room and Seeing him lay open the human heart. He first briefly shows us the nature of sin and its devastating consequences then with precision He uses a surgeon's scalpel to skillfully separate false and true repentance So that we may truly find salvation in Jesus Christ.

This is a book every Christian should read and place in the hands of those who are seriously inquiring about the way to life and That is quite an endorsement from someone as Gifted and as knowledgeable as our friend.

Dr. Conrad and Bayway. Well, I think it might be helpful even though to many of our listeners it might seem like a redundant thing, but I think it's a very important thing because there is so much error in regard to the subject of repentance and there's so much disagreement in the body of Christ and Among those who profess to be a part of the body of Christ In regard to this subject, so if you could define repentance.

Radical change of the heart that results in a thorough and radical change of the life. But you have to really establish What sort of change of heart and what sort of change of life? So when I'm when I'm thinking of it, I actually come down To what I think is one of the finest brief definitions.

Which is found in the shorter Catechism, which reads in this way Repentance unto life is a saving grace. Whereby a sinner his sin turn from that sin and endeavor after new obedience. I happen to think that that's one of Two or three of the finest question and answers in the whole of that catechism, but that gets to the nub of the thing We know by God's grace.

We come to know what sin and God in his mercy opens our eyes to see that the the mercy he holds out in Christ. And so having learned to hate our sin we turn from that sin. We turn to God with the desire that sinned by us and in dependence upon the Lord Jesus Christ.

And the work of the Spirit in us we set out to do what is pleasing to him from that point.

Excellent. And this issue is something that is misunderstood and twisted from Those who profess to be Christian on polar opposite ends of the spectrum. You have the Church of Rome on one hand who would require the necessity of repentance because they believe that the works that it produces are Meritorious or cooperate with grace in order to achieve salvation and be justified before God and then on the other end of the Extreme or the other opposite extreme of the spectrum?

You have those who are modern-day evangelicals. Who are guilty of the sin of what has been come known as easy believism or cheap grace? Repentant lists.

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Christianity or a repentant list. Gospel who would agree. That if you insist upon repentance as being a litmus test for someone who is truly born again. They would agree that that would involve works that are meritorious that are Adding to the faith that justifies in order to be made right with God and that's why they reject it.

They reject The necessity of repentance because they actually agree with Rome's understanding of it. But both of these two opposite ends of the spectrum are completely wrong on this aren't they?

Yeah, there's very preparation for salvation. It's a it's a renouncing it to be careful that we don't at the same time that merits. Amen and.

We who are Bible-believing Christians and historically Faithful Protestants Reformed Christians, we believe that it is only the works of Christ himself that contribute to our salvation and in fact his work on Calvary is the sole thing that we put our hope and trust in as the only way that we could ever Be welcomed into the open arms of God after leaving this earth.

Entirely because of the merits of Christ, correct.

Sure, and and the scriptures are explicit. They make very clear at 17 that God commands all men everywhere to repent. That is true granted to the Gentiles repentance to life. So it's purchased by Christ in his death.

It's part of that wonderful complex of saving blessings that Christ has secured for us and that he dispenses to us and.

The reverend buzz Taylor has something to say.

In the question-and-answer session at the ECT conference that we've both seen the video of. It was D. James Kennedy who answered the question concerning Repentance being a work and he said it's no less a workman than faith is.

You know people think of faith is not a work. But repentance would be. He said faith is just as much a gift of God as repentance. They're both gifts as we just heard. They're both.

And you were when you were talking about the ECT conference. You're talking about the reformed Rebuttal to the ECT which is evangelicals and Catholics, right. Exactly the rebuttal to it. Yeah. And any comments on that?

Jeremy.

Now that that seems to me to be a Reasonable response that's anchored in scripture.

We have a listener in Slovenia Joe who already has sent in a question to us. He says thanks for bringing brother Jeremy back to bless us again today. I've not heard preachers or teachers highlight or stress that repentance is a grace given to us by the kindness of our Sovereign Lord in Romans 2 for is this common or just my experience, please flesh out this Aspect of Repentance for us in light of the fact that without God's drawing and convicting us to repent We would be forever lost in our sin.

Thank you for your faithful edification of God's people. Well, you already touched on that a bit, but perhaps you could expand on it. I'm not sure why our Listener in Slovenia hasn't heard this often.

I have heard it often. Exclusively amongst reformed preachers and teachers. He would be right if he was including in that mix modern evangelicals, but if you could comment.

The rich to repentance quoted earlier not just a recognition of from the mercy of God in Christ. God is ready to receive the one who returns while we're driven in Christ. What our Slovenian friend thought was missing or otherwise.

But I think I think it is important on the one hand that we do emphasize that what the old Puritans called us that those Things to make sin vile in our eyes when we see it as against God time. It's vitally important that we show that the compassion the mercy of God his readiness to receive sinners.

Joy aside in that parable in three parts in Luke's gospel that there is joy In the presence of the angel that there is if you will delight in the heart of God to him. I think it's it's vitally important that we we really by which he calls sinners.

And the Reverend Buzz Taylor is something else to say.

First of all, I wonder what took Joe so long to ask a question. But perhaps what he's looking for. I'm not sure exactly what he's after but.

Well, he was saying basically he hardly ever hears any preachers and teachers say that that repentance is a gift.

Yes. Yes, and I what I can't get around as far as that's concerned is where when the early church acknowledged Gentile Christian the early Jewish Church recognized that the gospel had gone out to the to the the Gentiles also.

The remark that's made in Scripture is so God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.

Yeah Amen, and I think I think that's an important point to emphasize repentance like faith on Regenerate heart until until God works life in us. There is there is no There is no move toward him. There is no response to those Overtures of grace that there are in the gospel and yet at the same time We need to say that that God commands us to rip everyone That our sin is vile that We ought to leave it behind Turn to him flee to him in order that we might have mercy and there are there are different Emphasis at different points all of which need to be brought out.

So I I certainly wouldn't want in any way to undermine the graciousness of God and grandest repentance. God exalted Christ to his right hand to be Prince and Savior to give repentance and forgiveness of sins acts 531 to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins and yet not long before that you've got the The command and that Peter is using a Pentecost and then afterwards in Solomon's porch Repent and that every one of you be baptized repent and be converted that your sins may be blotted out.

So there's a forceful and again, you're you're within there there's there's something of that effect you will call By which repentance is drawn out of the renewed heart and Reverend Buzz Taylor has something else.

I think it's amazing.

When you read through the New Testament how many references there are to repentance and yet in evangelical preaching that is supposedly Evangelistic, you know to lead people to Christ you hear the word so seldom.

In fact What I like to ask people is ask any evangelical to fill in the blank to this sentence, this is when when the rich man was speaking with Father Abraham in Hades when he looked up his eyes and he was in torment and he said hey, I have five brothers.

He said send Lazarus to my my brothers because if somebody you know, and of course father Abraham said they have Moses and the prophets. Let them hear them in the scriptures, right and he said Well, no, but if somebody goes back from the dead They will blank.

What would you put in that blank? Because most people today they know the passage they're familiar with Scripture they'll say something like they'll get saved or they'll believe when the actual word that's used is repent and.

We do that many times with with passages to repentance. You mean that the rich man says they'll repent.

He the thing that the rich man knew that his brothers needed to do to not end up there was to repent, right? Right, but if you ask the average evangelical today to fill in the blank What word would they use to fill that.

And they would say they would believe and of course.

He was wrong that they would repent just because exactly and that was proven.

But the point is that was the word that was used that was the thing that was needed to keep them away from there, right?

Yeah, I say in the book repentance is too often overlooked as faith's ugly cousin when she ought to be celebrated as a beautiful twin sister. And I think if that's what our friend is is saying in Slovenia, yeah, we.

We're saying now rather. We sweep repentance to one side. It's something My sense of self-esteem or whatever it is, we're supposed to be celebrating. It doesn't really. It doesn't really fit with our notion that we're fundamentally sorted out that we're doing things reasonably rightly that you know.

We're not such great sinners. I've had conversation and force explain. This is wonderful good news for sinners like me and you and the person to whom I was speaking to whom I was speaking was Unfounded not a sinner.

She think I fit into that category. And yet repentance as we've just been saying repentance is a is a fundamental part and belief. Turn from your sins and there there is everlasting life.

Yeah, just to clarify or further clarify what Reverend Buzz Taylor brought up. I think it really highlights the the doctrine of unconditional election. Because it's interesting that Abraham knew that even if one were to rise from the dead and that meaning the the the meaning Lazarus.

And he were to warn the rich man's brothers. Even that miracle as shocking and perhaps even as horrifying and terrifying is that miracle would have been if they were not of the elect. They would not have repented because they already had the scriptures they had What they needed to know in order to inherit eternal life and yet so since they already rejected those scriptures it was a sign that they were not of the elect.

And A sign that even if one were to rise from the dead, which he was even proven later on with Christ's own resurrection right, even that isn't going to convince a Lifeless sinner apart from the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit.

Yes, and it's also noteworthy that there was.

Coincidentally a man named Lazarus who was right raised from the dead. And what did the Bible say? They sought to put Lazarus to death also, right? Yeah amazing stuff.

I think the point that the main point in that passage is the sufficiency the clarity of Scripture, right? Yeah, that all these people who have the Word of God they have all that is needful in order to turn from their sins.

Odd. And. That yeah, I think we have the one who rose from the dead. Christ's resurrection in in that sense is the great demonstration of useful validity. And. Yet men live with their fist raised against God and his gospel in themselves.

Scripture. They confirm it certainly, but if you have the Word of God you have all that you need. You have every Light that is required. Yes, but a personal confrontation if you like by by the risen Christ or anybody else will not will not God in the face of her.

Amen.

Repentance, Grace, and the Necessity of New Birth

We have Andrew in Avon Lake, Ohio. And every time I read that city Avon Lake I remember I am reminded instantly of my Childhood neighborhood actually my neighborhood even through adulthood in Amityville, Long Island, New York.

There was an Avon Lake just a few minutes from my home, but Andrew in Avon Lake, Ohio says I wonder if pastor Walker might explain why so many Dispensationalists have been so staunchly against the doctrine of repentance and what effect that has had on modern Evangelicalism that very interesting question because we of course we have to immediately give a caveat here there are many dispensationalists that would Denounce as heresy those fellow dispensationalists of theirs who would not require faith as necessary for salvation.

Like John MacArthur is a classic example who wrote the book the gospel according to Jesus and the subsequent other books that were Intended to Continue to flesh out and clarify That very issue of the necessity of repentance and of course a very dear friend of mine Ron glass who sponsors this program He is the pastor of waiting River Baptist Church on Long Island, New York.

He is a dispensationalist a very Unapologetic an unwavering Dispensationalist who also happens to be a thoroughgoing Calvinist and he believes in the necessity of repentance. So we don't want to broad brush.

But do you have any answer to that and I believe that Andrew must have meant That they're so staunchly against the doctrine of repentance. What he means I'm assuming is the necessity of repentance because I don't think any conservative Bible-believing Christian would be against Repentance's Requiring it as a litmus test.

I believe is what? What he means?

Yeah, I'm that's not something I've come across. I can guess what he has in mind. But I don't want to presume and sort of speak evil. So I wonder that's Chris. If you or buzz could particular issue there within the the dispensation or mindset might be that would.

Produce that kind of error. I think it has maybe look at it. All's I know and this is a guess. First of all, he is correct. Like for instance when dr. MacArthur wrote the gospel according to Jesus in the 1980s The bigger the biggest outcry against that book which was saying that repentance was necessary for salvation.

What was coming from members of the faculty of Dallas Theological Seminary very strongly dispensationalist school and many people who would agree with those faculty members and of course, it's been a while and the faculty I think is Changed and it has additions to that faculty that would agree with us on this.

I believe since then but um the The the only thing that I can get out of it from what I recall during that controversy was because dispensationalism so far separates the Old Covenant from the New Covenant and Also wrongly and I don't want a broad brush keep in mind and I'm not saying that they're all dispensationalist do this but it seems that many are guilty of thinking that the the gospel of the Old Covenant Was a Dispensation of works that meant that men's deeds did in fact Contribute to their salvation and that when the New Covenant was ushered in that this is when salvation was For the first time by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone and so therefore they wrongly think That just as I was mentioning earlier that Repentance includes within it the idea or the requirement of repentance includes within it that one must Have meritorious deeds that somehow aid in his justification they they they think it's a violation of the doctrine of Justification by grace alone through faith alone and they are wrong in assuming that but Reverend Buzz Taylor, do you have anything?

Am I correct? Do you think I think so?

But you know, I haven't seen much of a trend in that direction myself Having once been dispensation myself because I was preaching repentance long before I ceased being a dispensationalist but I do. I have heard before of some there are strings of ultra dispensationalists that For example would believe that the Lord's Prayer and the Great Commission all that is for Israel and Not the church, you know, they go into some wild stuff.

That may be what he's referring to that. Well, how would that connect with repent? They would say that repentance was for the Jews for the rejection of Jesus as the Messiah.

All right, I Confirming what I thought might be the answer that when you when you over emphasize From my perspective, you know, there is quite clearly a progression in revelation. Things become clearer The the promises of God as it were springing to sharper relief as you work your way through the scriptures but there's a danger of over emphasizing some of those discontinuities if you like, especially the you end up perhaps.

And again, I'm not suggesting that this is what every dispensationalist might believe or or even or even any perhaps. But when you start sort of presuming that almost God's God's character It's not his nature, but perhaps his character changes the way he deals with people changes.

I think you look from my answer would basically be look from the beginning to the end of Scripture and You will see that we're looking back at the Messiah who had come that the people of God in every generation Are saved by turning from them again in the in the in the booklet here.

We're using texts from the Old and the New Testament to show the unity In that respect that whether you're talking about the patriarchs a Pentecost or the mission to the Gentiles. However, however, and wherever God is calling upon sinners to turn from their sin.

Now we're not denying the fact that there is development and progression in that revelation. Fundamentally sinners are all and they receive that In turning from their sins to lay hold of what God has provided in Christ.

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Well, we are back to our discussion with Pastor Jeremy Walker of Maiden Bower Baptist Church of Crawley in West Sussex England. We are discussing his booklet that he has written for Reformation Heritage books What is repentance.

And before the break the Reverend Buzz Taylor had something to say.

I just wanted to add a little bit to the before we leave the idea of Dispensationalism and the so-called lack of repentance or teaching on it. And that was when I said ultra dispensationalists. I The only ones I've ever heard Dispensationalism taken to that limit was from It was actually from the United Pentecostals which we most of us would would deem as a cult anyway because they deny the the Trinity and They believe in you know Baptismal regeneration and a whole bunch of other things, but I find it's also very simple interesting that for those who think that Dispensationalism that that repentance was only for Jews.

The very passage where it says that God commands all men to repent was made specifically to Gentiles.

Huh? That's interesting. By the way, you've mentioned oneness Pentecostals. I Know firsthand from interacting with them that they are guilty more of the Romish Fallacy of that works must cooperate with well.

When you think of the fact that I might not be saved because when I was underwater being baptized, I didn't hear what he said.

Does that have to do with repentance the pastor said. The name of?

G of the Father Son and Holy Spirit instead of the name of Jesus while I was in the water I would be coming up unsaved because they say that if you were baptized in the name of.

The Father Son and Holy Spirit, you're not saved. Yeah, but I don't understand how that connects with well.

It doesn't you mentioned about the their their their Romish ways and they I'm saying when you know They take salvation by works to an even greater limit to where oh.

You're saying that they were erring on the opposite end of denying repentance. Yeah. Well, yeah, I agree with you there. I just missed your train of thought there, right?

Yeah, the main thought there was you know, it's not like we would be taking them too seriously anyway, right? But I haven't heard it from you know conservative evangelicals. So, I don't know, you know, if that's a trend I'm not aware of it.

Yeah, well, yeah, obviously the I do know that he is correct in that the the greatest outcry against John MacArthur and those pushing for what has been known now as Lordship salvation or the Requirement of repentance as a sign of true Salvation and justification and that's a sign of that they came from dispensationalists, so We do have Daniel in San Jose, California.

Who says can you ask brother Jeremy? to explain why or how the doctrine of biblical repentance has taken on the idea of being nothing more than Apologizing for our sin and not actually turning and mortifying them.

Does this false notion derive from the idea that we have the ability to live the Christian life by our own free will and apart? From the Holy Spirit, that's a very interesting question.

Yeah, I couldn't answer where it comes from In with respect, but I do think there's a real danger Watering down of Repentance now, there are some very basic gospel presentations that look for example about saying Sorry, please and thank you.

I understand what the intention of that with regard to His children and it plays into the whole issue of disobeyed and he would say the child I'm sorry. I did this dad and his dad would say well, I'm sorry to son.

But what are we going to do about it? And This this idea of sorrow could be doesn't have to be but it could be remorse. That Judas felt remorse were a condemned. But he never turned back to possible to be sorry for your sins possible to be sorry that you've done it.

Sorry that you'll be punished for it. Sorry that you've been found out because of them, whatever it may be but Forgiveness is granted to the repenter and That's true both if you like on the vertical plane with regard to God and on the horizontal level with between men.